Which Veteran Quarterback Do You Least Want to See in Miami?
Matty I over at SB Nation's Miami Dolphins blog, The Phinsider, is asking his readers this weekend which veteran quarterback they most want to see their team bring in to become starter. I think it would be interesting to see the opposite perspective. Which quarterback do we as rival fans least want the Dolphins to bring in? Of the quarterbacks Matty has listed, I think they fall into three categories.
Retreads (Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Donovan McNabb): This group does not particularly scare me. These are all guys who have had productive years, but their franchises have deemed them no longer quarterbacks they believe can take their team all the way. If a team like the Jets, already with a strong defense and running game and only in need of a quarterback to make a few plays, these options would be interesting. I am not sure the Dolphins are there.
Miami seems like a team I could call between the 10's. They are not an awful team by any stretch of the imagination. They also do not look like a big time contender. If they catch a few breaks and get a couple of good bounces, they could go 10-6. If they get nothing but bad breaks, they could go 6-10. The chances of them finishing outside this range seem far less to me. Any of these guys might make them better and closer to that 10 win mark, but I am not sure they improve their ceiling too much.
McNabb would probably be the guy from this group I least want them to get because he was the best player in his prime and only a year removed from some really good football. He also has an excuse for his bad play, he did not mesh with the coaches or system on a new team. Palmer, Hasselbeck, and Bulger all have been in decline, and Orton is limited. He has only been super productive in Denver's pass happy offense. It also feels like Miami has tried this a lot recently with Daunte Culpepper, Trent Green, and Chad Pennington (albeit Pennington was very successful for one year).
Unknowns (Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn): This would probably be my least desired route for the Dolphins to go because it has the most upside. These are unproven young guys with potential who have not had a chance to hit their ceiling. They both have question marks, though. Flynn played very well in a difficult spot, making his first career start at New England this year. It was his only start, though. The biggest question might be whether he will be available. The Packers would probably be wise to hold him for as long as possible. Considering Aaron Rodgers' concussion issues, having a capable backup seems like more than a luxury.
I am even less enamored with Kolb. I do not really get why he is such a hot commodity. It took him one week to lose his starting job in Philadelphia. He had 7 touchdowns and 7 interceptions with a 76.1 rating. I saw a guy who doesn't have a great arm, makes questionable decisions, and get bouts of Trent Edwards don't test a defense down the field syndrome. He does have some good performances on his resume, though. Perhaps with more time, he will become more consistent. Despite my reservations about Kolb, I'd still rather see Miami go with a non McNabb retread with a more limited ceiling.
Busts (Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn): This would be my favorite route for the Dolphins to go for obvious reasons. These guys were all talented enough to be first round Draft picks but have not found success on their original team and in Leinart's and Quinn's case two teams. Young might be the best of the bunch. He showed signs of life in 2009 and put up decent numbers in 2010. The Titans are still giving up on him, though. Part of it is inconsistency. Part of it is the numbers are a bit deceiving. Chris Johnson made his life much easier to the point he only had to put up 20 passes three times in 2010. Mainly, though, he was a bad locker room guy lacking the leadership capabilities necessary for the position. Maybe a change of teams will make him get it, but the Titans gave him chance after chance to no avail. Leinart and Quinn have shown nothing to suggest they can even play the position adequately as pros.
What are your thoughts on this? They say true franchise quarterbacks never become available. There is a reason. Teams do not let them go. That seems to be the case in Miami. Life without a franchise guy leaves a buffet of flawed and unattractive options.
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not going to vote
Don’t see any of these guys making the Dolphins a great team. Maybe a good team, not a great team. With that said, I couldn’t care less if the dolphins got any of these guys. Also, I wouldn’t give up on Henne just yet.
the redskins are incredibly stupid for getting rid of super 5
when you give a guy no running game, no good revievers ( unless you count moss as a good one, I don’t ) no defense so he has to make a comeback all the time, and no trust in the coaching staff….. what do you expect
I personally still believe this guy is an elite if not very good quarterback….. give him brandon marshall he could be a problem….. not saying i dont think we will beat em because we will…….. im just saying
well
if your cordnator picks rex grossman over you, were do you rank? shanahan isn’t stupid, he must have believed mcnabb couldn’t do it anymore.
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he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
very true shanahan isnt stupid
well mike isn’t but it wasn’t mike who had the problem and pulled him initially it was his son who couldn’t lead an offense into the playoffs that consisted of matt schaub and andre johnson so i dont think the younger shanahan is that good
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on May 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but his son doesn’t control the team, your trying to tell me that they got rid of mcnabb because their OC didn’t want him? they wouldn’t have signed him to a 5 year deal. there has got to be something else going on there
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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
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he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shanahan ain't stupid, but he sure is arrogant
McNabb’s a pretty strong personality and clashed with Shanahan I’m sure.
by Exystence on May 8, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think McNabb is the obvious choice
But I think VY would be the 2nd he has a lot of upside and him and CJ fed off each others talent VY wasn’t the only 1 benefitting. CJ’s #s went up once VY became a starter no one was scared of the 90yr old Collins. He turned around their 0-6 start to finish 8-8
by JetsFan718 on May 8, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Holy cow I pretty much just reposted your comment lol
by Exystence on May 8, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mcnabb is the best QB, but I don't think he is the right fit for them.
Miami doesn’t have multiple major deep threats, so he wouldn’t be at his most effective. I believe that Miami should trade for Derek Anderson, so they will end up in last place.
McNabb just got these deep threats recently
Most of his career was with decent recievers besides TO Im sured he’d be more than happy to have Marshall more than what Washington had
Wetter
If they get Anderson and end up dead last they will get Andrew Luck next year, and no Jets fan wants that.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
They will never end up with the first pick
Their offensive line and defense are too good to let them end up like that. They will get the 2nd pick next year.
I agree that I would hate McNabb the most (partly that he’s the best of the bunch but mostly as an Eagles fan), but Vince Young is a close second. I think you way underrate him. He can definitely play, and with the Wildcat I think he could be that much more dangerous. When he was actually on the field, good things happened for the Titans. They were certainly better than they were without him at the very least.
by Exystence on May 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In no particular order...
Orton, McNabb, Henne and Young.
Orton put up some monster numbers. Yes, some of that is the system. But some of that is some damn good quarterbacking too. He just might prove to be every bit as legit as the stats say.
McNabb with his mobility and given some weapons would be a real pain in the ass.
Vince Young — just wins.
Henne — I don’t get why they’re quitting on him. He seems legit to me. Yeah, he’s had his ups and downs, but he’s young. I guess I think higher of him bc the only time I’ve gotten a good look at him was against us, and he played pretty well against us a couple of games.
by Crackback on May 8, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would hate to see Orton, Kolb, or Flynn.
First, Flynn did more than just hold his own versus the Pats last year. He single handedly ket the Pack in that game. I think he has great potential. Next, we’ve all seen what Kolb can do and I think that if the Fins build up a better team besides the QB than he can become great. Last, Orton is a great QB, but he has been placed on some bad teams. He is inconsistent but he has shown brilliance, like the beginning of last year.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
Agree - Orton and Kolb are pretty good players
Orton wins with crap for support – and that’s what he would have with the ’fins.
Kolb has talent. I suspect that AZ is going to get him.
by D1andonlyDman on May 8, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't touch vince young with a 10 foot pole


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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
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Kevin Kolb is the one that concerns me.
Yes, he didn’t have that impressive of a run in 2010. But he lost his starting job to an explosive Michael Vick, who is more high octane rather than the traditional passer Kolb is. That being said he’ll most likely end up with the Cards who need a QB badddddlyyyyy.
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Kolb was a better QB then Vick, but the problem was the Eagles O-Line sucked and Vick is able to extend plays which Kolb couldn’t.
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Doubt it
Vick played amazing behind a horrible line don’t you think he’d still be better than Kolb behind a better O line
No, I think the last thing you want is Vick sitting in the pocket, not getting harassed.
It will be interesting to see what happens next year when teams have a full offseason to prepare for Vick. I think what will happen is that teams will allow Vick to pass, collapsing the pocket around him while using an LB as a spy to make sure he doesn’t get away.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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What evidence are you basing this on?
basing
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Just from watching Eagles games. I live outside Philly.
Truthfully if I was the Eagles I would trade Vick and keep Kolb.
Vick played great last season, but he also had an absolute ton of motivation. I’ve defended Vick in the past, and thought he deserved a second shot, but I still don’t get the feeling that Vick has turned the page on his early career. I still think he’s the guy who isn’t going to study film, isn’t going to memorize the playbook, and is going to rely too much on his athleticism to get things done.
Reid has been working with Kolb for a few seasons now, preparing him to take over at QB. Kolb is long term going to be the better QB for the Eagles. Giving up on him now is a bad move.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Ive seen him play a handful of times as well and seldom are left impressed.
Vick is to be determined.. The Kolb Hype is mystifying and pure genius on behalf of the Eagle organization. Some clown NFL team will give a 1st (and who knows what else) on a guy that plays in one of the most passer friendly ball teams in the league. Yet his #s suck. GENIUS pure genius.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Kolb
Kevin Kolb is AJ Feeley 2.0.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Kolb has shown enough for me to think
That he has potential as an NFL starting QB. Its not the throws he makes or hismobility, but he seems like a guy who can just get the job done if you know what I’m saying. Nothing stands out or is spectacular, but he is solid.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
Yeah, but Feeley looked the same when he started in Philly.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
No Way
Feely was a former 5th round who just had to not lose games for the Eagles. Don’t forget that Detmer looked outstanding that year too when he filled in. I don’t know what tape of Feely the Dolphins were watching when they thought he could be a legit starter.
Once teams started getting tape on Feely, his QB rating started dropping dramatically. He was at 91% for his 3rd start, but his 4th and 5th starts saw him drop to 66.9 and then 53.7.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
i hope against all hope the fins get carson palmer
he absolutely sucks
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Last season
As soon as both TO and Ocho were out of the lineup, Palmer’s numbers actually went up.
I think he’s a good QB, who suffered an unfortunate injury which has really derailed his career. That and playing for the Bengals.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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I disagree - I think Palmer can play
Especially if he doesn’t have TO and Ochostinko calling for the ball on every pass play.
by D1andonlyDman on May 8, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson did stink
People keep talking about his WRs but they werent the 1s throwing stupid passes and trying to fit the ball where there was no chance that his WR could get the ball and he had a TE to throw to this yr
The guy I MOST want the 'fins to get is Brady Quinn
closely followed by Matt Leinart
the ones i dont want them to take are,
Palmer and Kolb i believe Kolb can still be a good QB and i still think Palmer has some good years in him.
Orton and Young may never have been great...
But they both have found ways to win.
Young would be scarier in Miami’s system because of how much Miami loves the run… If they were to get him I would want a QB spy on every play.
Kolb sucks . and if they give up a 1st for him you guys should be jumping
for joy.
QBRat.73.2 Pct.60.8 TD.11 Int. 14
Eagles run a very QB friendly O. Not many leave to repeat their “success” ,And didn’t Miami go down that RD once before? Burn me once shame on you..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Dido on Donovan McNabb and why wouldn't Denver hold on to Orton?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
yeah that would be crazy
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Why wouldn't Denver kepp Orton?
It isn’t a great franchise right now after the cheating ad Mcdaniels incident so they just want to please the fans. DO you know what the fans want? Two words. TIM TEBOW.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
3 of his INTs came in the game 16 against Dallas when the Eagles were resting most of their starters. Even so they only lost the game by a point.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Yeah, but they should have won by about 3 TDs. Kolb’s decent, might even be good, but he’s not gonna turn into a great QB ever. He’s got the same ceiling as Henne imo. Might as well just stick with him.
In fact I don’t see why they’re giving up on Henne so soon supposedly. It’s not like he’s been awful. Nobody seems to be considering the fact that Brandon Marshall isn’t the world-beating WR savior everyone makes him out to be…
by Exystence on May 9, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My take on the QBs:
McNabb: He can be good in the right system, but he is a West Coast offense QB and I don’t think he’s the right fit for Miami.
Orton: He’d be ok, but nothing special. I think he could provide Miami with more wins and take them to the playoffs, but he’s not a long term answer in my belief.
Young: The boom-or-bust of the litter. He could do great and resurrect his career or he could be a volatile player that breaks up the locker room. I’d be concerned with his relationship with someone like Brandon Marshall.
Palmer: Still has more game than people give credit. For all the veterans, I think he gives Miami the best chance along with Young, but he’s the safer of the two. I think getting away from a bad situation in Cincy where he had two WRs that was tough to play with (TO and Ochocinco) would benefit him. On top of that, he provides the mentorship to Henne and the leadership to a young offense.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Several of these guys could really help them out
Palmer Orton Kolb and McNabb have the most upside to me. I still think it’s possible for the right coach to redeem Young, but I’m not sure if that person exists in the world. My gut says Seattle keeps Matt. I think Quinn may still have some potential.
I think Bulger, Flynn, and Leinart are done and wannabe’s, respectively.
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