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Who should be the starting safety tandem for the Jets this year?


Last year, the starting safety tandem for the Jets was in constant flux.  Jim Leonhard and Eric Smith started the season.  Pool worked his way into the rotation in place of Smith as the season progressed.  Late in the season with injuries to Leonhard and Smith, Dwight Lowery and James Ihedigbo shared time as fill-ins.  Lowery played well, and as a bit of a fan favorite due to his ball-hawking skills, the conversation began as to whether or not he could have a future at safety.  Smith returned in time for the playoffs and he and Brodney Pool played great together in the playoff run.  Smith actually lead the team in tackles in the Divisional beating the Jets laid on the Pats. 

Smith and Pool are free agents and its likely that most of the other GM's in the league saw their performance in the playoffs potentially adding greater interest for them in the free agent market (whenever that is).  Both also have a history of concussions.  Leonhard is rehabbing from a broken leg and may not be fully recovered by the start of camp.  Lowery is under contract but may lose important preparation time if the lock out continues.  All of these are factors to consider...

Who should be the starting tandem this year?

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Who should be the starting safety tandem for the Jets this year?
Pool and Leonhard
195 votes
Pool and E. Smith
122 votes
E. Smith and Leonhard
136 votes
Pool and Lowery
140 votes
E. Smith and Lowery
123 votes
Leonhard and Lowery
167 votes
Other (please specify)
206 votes

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Voted Pool and Lowery

because their physical play impressed me last year, but any combination that doesn’t include Eric Smith is just fine by me. Leonhard is slow and a little pricey, but I can’t count the amount of times he made a tackle that saved us from a TD. I know, that’s a Safeties job, but in a year full of blown tackling Leonhard can deliver.

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by Bro Namath on May 28, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Always with the hate for some player

Here is a picture to cheer you up…

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bro pretty much summed up my thoughts as well.

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by John B on May 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've always like E Smith. Surprised to hear that from you guys.

I voted E Smith and Lowery. Leonard can rehab and come back slow. I like Pool but with two free agents in Pool and Smith, I thought I’d pick just one.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Smith has a nice upside

but the worst the defense performed all year was when he held the reigns as defensive captain. His penalties and on field problems are as bad if not worse than Bart Scott’s. We could do MUCH worse, but I just don’t think he’s that good.

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by Bro Namath on May 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith’s really good against the run. I think in a different era, he would have been a star. With all of the receiving tight ends in the league, his slowness really hurts. I think Rex and Pettine did a really good job putting Smith in positions where his strengths are maximized and weaknesses are minimized like in the Playoffs when they had him play linebacker on passing downs.

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by John B on May 28, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

voted pool and lowery also

by willmpk on May 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

duenta williams from UNC

sign undrfated free agent FS from UNC Duenta Williams and have Leonard start at strong safety

by frw1k82 on May 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice call.

I definitely think he’d be a great pickup.

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by Max Strauss on May 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

you want a rookie UDFA w/o training camps as our starter??

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on May 29, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

+

Lets sign a UDFA who has weak man coverage skills and start him in our system. I like williams but he is far from starting

by Nu York Fan on May 29, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you guys on this one

UFDA’s are way overrated. Maybe you’ll get a diamond in the rough but Williams, as much of an upside as he has, is not that.

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by Bro Namath on May 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pool and Lowery.

I went with this combination just because it started to work a little better down the stretch. Don’t get me wrong I love Brave little Leonard but if he was a few inches taller we wouldn’t be having this issue. Unless of course he is allowed brass knuckles and can start punching taller receivers in nuts.

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by Noble_Lance on May 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Poole and Lowery

Same reasons, see Lowery with an upside as a playmaker, and Poole did look good down the Stretch.
Where I’m different is that I see a third Safety in a lot of sub Packages, and my third Safety is Eric Smith.The Jets will play a lot of “Three Safeties” due to the emergance of Receiving and mulltiple TE’s, and because of their average outside LB’s.
Rex . Played Smith as an OLB late in the season, he covers TE’s and RB’s better, than any other LB, he could be a better blitzer, but the key thing is that teams thought they had a mismatch and could run at him, Smith held his ground.
The Jet CB’s take out the primary WR’s, the popular strategy to beat the Jets is to use the TE and RB’s in a short Passing game. Eric Smith limits those options

by JetOrange on May 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tbh it really doesn't matter

Rex will manage to get everyone a ton of playing time. There isn’t a safety on the roster who didn’t see significant snaps last year. My preference is Lowery at FS and Pool at SS, but really you’re gonna see every combination of safeties on the field possible is Rex’s defense.

by Exystence on May 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Definitely Pool and Lowery. Hard-hitting SS from Pool, ball-hawk FS from Lowery. I like Smith in the rotation to crack some skulls (i.e. Boldin and Welker), but only enough so that they still have to check every play on the off chance he’s there to knock heads.

by bobdolethesnapplelady on May 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Results at 50 votes

Smith and Leonard are in 1st with 16 votes. Pool and Lowery are 2nd with 10 votes. Pool and Leonard are 3rd with 9 votes. Leonard and Lowery are 4th with 8 votes.

Put another way, tandems involving Leonard are in 1st with 33 votes, Pool is 2nd with 20, Lowery is 3rd with 19, and Smith is 4th with 18 votes.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Pool @ SS and Lowery @ FS

by RevisChrist on May 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd just like to add that if it ain't broke don't fix it

and even with injuries the Safety positions really picked up the slack towards the end of the year. I think Rex is going to stick with the safety by committee approach, even if the FO trims one or two of those names off the roster for financial reasons. People widely view Safety as a need for the Jets, but none of our safeties are bad players. I’m not a fan of Eric Smith, and if someone has to be sacrificed I hope it’s him.

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by Bro Namath on May 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Pool and Lowery, hands down.

Both are versatile and fit the scheme perfectly, and both will only improve upon their performance in the playoffs with more snaps.

Lowery is a rangey, ball hawking FS with corner cover skills. So he can play single high or drop down and cover the slot.

Pool is a rangey, aggressive, playmaking SS that can make a tackle behind scrimmage or blanket a TE. He also has the ability to drop back and play as a single high FS.

I also like Smith as a specialist to come in as a SS or a safety-backer.

I think we should cut Leonard. Now that the defense is fully installed, he’s a liability and serves no purpose. He’s grossly overpaid and we owe him nothing. We already saw that he was big fat target last season, it will only get worse with more time. Use the money saved to help resign Pool and Smith.

by Crackback on May 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Pool didn't have concussion issues, btw.

It was migraines, which he seems to have a handle on now.

by Crackback on May 28, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jets checked it out and verified its validity. I think it was said he wouldn’t have been signed otherwise.

by Crackback on May 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i was wondering when you would eventually chime in here

i’m convinced that leonhard must’ve stolen your lunch money or something and that pool helped save your life or something. i think both pool and leonhard have their liabilities but strengths as well. neither is a premier player. leonhard has the better handle on the defense though

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on May 29, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pool is the far superior player.

Anybody that even tried to fake objectivity can see that. He’s a vastly superior SS. And he’s even a better FS than Jim is a SS. And his handle on the defense will be equal to Jims by the start of the season if not sooner.

Leonard is ccriminally overrated. The guys hardly ever makes plays. And the extremely few and far between positive plays he makes are far exceeded by the negative plays he gives up.

by Crackback on May 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree with you more

You got your Brodney goggles on because he was spectacular towards the end of the season. Jimmy is slow and overpaid, but he’s been a game saver more times than I can count.

I think we could get much faster in the secondary and save a bunch of cash if we regrettably cut Leonhard, but he’s not as bad as you say he is.

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by Bro Namath on May 29, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i dont think pool

is nearly as good as crack has him being either

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jun 3, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

he flat out sucked half the year, and that was when he was able to play.

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by Bro Namath on Jun 3, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he has a history of conussions as well

but you may be right, let me look into that.

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by Bro Namath on May 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was said to be concussions but changed to migraines

My point was that I was skeptical of that change.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that term Safety-Backer

IMO you will see a ton of 3 Safety sub defenses from the Jets, it is a partial solution the lack of OLB depth .

by JetOrange on May 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pool and Lowery

Pool was much better when he moved over to SS after Leonhard went down and Lowery makes a good FS. Regardless the Safety Committee approach seems to be working just fine so Leonhard and whoever else well also get lots of playing time. I think we should def keep Pool over Smith though.

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by blueandorange4life on May 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll go Pool and Jimmy.

But I love what all of the others can offer. Smith can hit hard and play in the box against the run, Ihedigbo brings some of everything, really, even ST; and Lowery could possibly develop into a prime ballhawk. So I like all of them but Jim and Brodney should definitely start.

by JetKing55 on May 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I voted Pool and Leonhard

but honestly whoever is playing/practicing best should and will be out there. I know Rex loves Leonhard and he was the qb of the defense, but if guys are outplaying him then I think Rex will put the best player out there.

And I wouldnt call Lowery a “ball-hawking” Safety just yet…give him some more time at FS before we make a call like that. there were times he got burned pretty bad last year

by FlightBoy83 on May 28, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it didn't come out right

But Lowery had some nice INTs in his career. So thats what I meant by ball-hawking, not really as a safety but in general.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

pool and lowry

leonard and smith are both 1 dimentional – good against the run and a liability in pass coverage while pool and lowry can move around more and make more plays….i would like to keep smith as a safety backer though for some formations and i think we need to dump leonard and his contracct and make room to risign plays like harris and braylon

by MrMartain on May 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

All in all, I am a little surprised

at the number of people generally positive on Leonhard tmore han I thought, and that some are generally not that positive on E. Smith.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Well the poll was fun and informative while it lasted

But recently the 5 and 7 choice jumped up pretty erratically so I’m not sure the poll is reliable anymore.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 28, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, its official. Trolls showed up again and ruined a poll.

I supposed another troll hunt on Pats Pulpit is in order. Cameron O, insertscreenname, and Ninja,etc appear to be serious losers.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 29, 2011 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

well, if it makes you feel any better

i checked and none of the guys you mentioned voted on this poll

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on May 29, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, they know they are being hunted so I wouldn't expect that carelessness again

Like I explained to the admins over there, Jets and Pats fans don’t have to like each other but when SB Nation is negatively impacted, its no longer about fans but the site. So people are sh-tting where they sleep. Deal with it now or deal with more sh-t later. Or I’ll just go some place else that deals with it better. But probably after getting banned.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 29, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shucks

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by Bro Namath on May 29, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by satsunada on May 30, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

leonhard and pool

i like lowery a lot at safety but i think he’s a much better fit as a backup. i’m also a big fan of e. smith and like his physicality a lot, but lets face it; the dude is not a full time starter in the league. he’s ok in short spurts but i feel long term he’d get exposed

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on May 29, 2011 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

What about Kyle Wilson?

I know its too early to switch him and he still may develop into a high level CB. But like Lowery i think he plays better with the ball in front of him and his ability to find the football and make plays. He is also more the physical enough to help in run support as well.
What do you think?

by GreenFlight on May 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Way too soon

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on May 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, like i said too soon, but i think one would have to admit he has an very appealing skill set for becoming a play making safety. If you look down the road with this team, what do you think would be more valuable, a good number 2 corner (or number 3 if we sign Cro long term) or possibly the dynamic game changing safety this team has been missing? I know this all hinges on his ability to learn (and master) his third position as a pro but outside the box speculation is an inevitable consequence of this bull S#!t lockout!

by GreenFlight on May 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh

I’d rather just let Cro walk and let him play corner.

by Crackback on May 31, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wont happen

Would easily be the biggest question mark for the Jets heading into the season. Wilson showed nothing last year that says he is ready to be a starter.

by Crizzle12 on May 31, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He showed plenty. He just needs reps. The only thing that Cro showed was that he’s unreliable. He’ll either be lock down or give up 200 yards; either way too aggressive or way too soft. Cro is too prone to give up huge plays and big penalties. He plays like a rookie, except he’s a multi-year vet.

I’d much rather go through growing pains with Wilson, knowing that he’ll continue to work at his craft and make himself better, eventually eliminating the boneheaded plays as he gets more experience.

Going with Wilson is much better than playing Russian Roulette with Cro, who makes no effort to make himself better.

by Crackback on May 31, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You people crack me up with the “its too risky to put Wilson out there” BS. While Cro is out there making rookie mistakes all over the place. Continuously.

We should convert Cro to receiver and kick returner. He’ll be a much more dynamic receiving option than Brad Smith and he’s a much better kick returner too.

by Crackback on May 31, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totaly agreed that Cro makes rookie mistakes. Im watching Jets games and often wondered what is special bout this dude. He is sloppy, does not track the ball in the air, does not attack the football and fails to use his height on jump balls.Does not elevate to make plays. I still hate that we lost our 2nd pick on this guy. Kyle should b used more and he’ll pick up his play as the season progresses and cro should b saved bcos “u can never have nuff corners”.

by overloadblitz on Jun 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree cro would be a better receiving option than smith

but that’s saying more about smiths complete lack of receiving skills than it is saying much for cro’s potential receiving skills

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jun 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you to say

Cro makes no effort to make himself better. Just because he aint with Revis doesnt mean he aint workin out and staying in shape which is all that really matters. Cromartie isnt going anywhere unless some team gives him a ridclous contract

by Nu York Fan on Jun 1, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cmon son. Don't you pay attention to things, or do you just think what they tell you to think?

How many years has Cro been in the league? Why is his technique so shitty after all this time?

Did our coaching staff not implore Cro ALL SEASON to use his long arms and upper body strength more to jam receivers at scrimmage? Did he ever make any effort at doing so? Nope. I distinctly remember during Knocks one of the coaches taking Cro to the side and hammering home that he wants Cro to get better at getting good jams. I also clearly recall Rex making several comments publicly on that issue. And Cro made absolutely no improvement at it all year. I don’t i saw him even execute a jam all year.

You never hear about Cro putting extra work in, you never hear about him watching film with Revis or with the younger guys, you never hear about him working with Wilson to help him get better (and you know why that is right?)…

Nope. Cro is gonna do Cro and just go out there and out-athlete everybody.

by Crackback on Jun 1, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he's so poor at actually putting in work

why would you think he’d make a good receiver? granted, running a go pattern doesnt take much (and anyhow, if all he does is run go patterns then he isnt any better than david clowney), but a guy who doesnt put in the work is gonna have a heck of a hard time suddenly learning a new position mid career

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by dabu7 on Jun 3, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did he show?

Because if he showed any indication that he could be a servicable starter this upcoming year, then resigning Cro wouldn’t even be discussed and that money would be used to resign both Holmes and Edwards. If the Jets had drafted Joe Haden, Devin McCourty, or Alterraun Vasher how do you think the NY front office would respond to Cro’s desire of 6-8 million a year? They wouldn’t consider it for a second.

Granted Cro isn’t a top tier cover corner and his value in run support is shaky at best, but he isn’t a bad #2 guy and is much much safer than going with a player that struggled to find the field even on nickel situations last year.

by Crizzle12 on Jun 1, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson looked great at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Made some big break-ups.

by Crackback on Jun 1, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What games were that?

Cause I only remember an interception bouncing off his face. I also remember seeing Coleman and Lowry on the field a lot more than Wilson throughout the playoffs.

by Crizzle12 on Jun 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should sign Michael Huff

Free safety from the Raiders and one of the better pass coverage safies in the league.

Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.

by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jun 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather the Jets go after Bills Dontae Whitner, he’s 25 so he is still growing as a player and he had 140 tackles last year (96 Solo) he could be an absloute playmaker with this team. But Huff would be my second choice because of his pass coverage skills

by Nu York Fan on Jun 1, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whitner's only 25?

Daaaaaaayum.

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