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Drafting to Scheme: The Base 3-3-5

A couple years ago Rex Ryan grabbed a couple guys and left Baltimore enroute to NY.  It goes without saying that defense is Rex's specialty, and in his very first season with the Jets he instilled his system and quickly turned what was a mediocre defense into the best defense in the league.  The prevailing and common assumption is that Rex runs a 34 base defense.  While this is true to a certain extent, it isn't true entirely.  Rex isn't married to any particular formation and he routinely operates out of a myriad of fronts, including the 3-4.  Rather than being beholden to any particular formation, Rex seems to be more concerned with remaining slavishly bound to an ideal.  That ideal being distortion and devastation.  Whatever formation and/or personnel grouping allows Rex to confuse and hit the quarterback, will be the one that he employs.  And we've seen that he often likes to use defensive backs, namely safeties, to execute his machinations. He has routinely used safeties to create the illusion of pressure to one area, while bringing the actual pressure to another.  So why not always employ this strategy?  Why not use a personnel grouping that utilizes an extra safety as a base defense?

In order to have a 3-3-5 base defense you need to have a unique and versatile collection of players.

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DLs

First, you need three defensive linemen that all require double teams.  The ideal players being large enough to hold their ground at the point of attack, but also athletic enough to disengage and pursue ball carriers that run outside of their immediate vicinity (eg Haloti Ngata x3).  These DLs would have to be able to not only tie up blockers so that LBs can flow to the ball freely, but they also have to be able to collapse the pocket on passing downs.

Top DL Prospects: Kenrick Ellis, Hampton; Phil Taylor, Baylor; Jerrel Powe, Ole Miss

It would be optimal to get two of these three prospects; but it is imperative that we get at least one of them.  Ellis fits the ideal and chances are good that he'll be available.  Taylor also fits the ideal, but he may be drafted before we have an opportunity to snatch him up.  However, there are reports that he has issues with his feet which might cause him to slide and could make him more attainable.  Powe will likely be attainable, but he doesn't have the athleticism of Ellis and Taylor.  Powe would likely have to be relegated to strictly the NT position, where his size and good first step could create havoc on the interior, while the other two have the versatility and athleticism to play both inside and outside on our defensive line.

 

LBs

Second, you need two interior LBs that can stop the run and a hybrid backer that can both rush the passer and perform linebacking duties.  We have the interior backers in place in Harris and Scott.  We would have to find that hybrid backer that can blitz from anywhere on the line while also being able to hold up at the point of attack against the run.  The positional ideal is to have a player who is in constant motion prior to the snap, with the opposing OL never certain where he will be and who has him when the ball is snapped.  He could come off the edge, come up the middle, start in the middle and loop outside and visa versa.  Modern day player ideal would be Clay Matthews Jr.  Adalius Thomas from the Ravens a few years ago is another good example.

Top Hybrid LB Prospects: Martez Wilson, Illinois; Brooks Reed, Arizona; Dontay Moch Nevada.

Each of these prospects have subtle differences between them and would each play the position with their own unique flavor.  But a common trait in each of them is explosive speed.  They all can fly to the ball carrier and track down plays that flow away from them.  And they all have the ability to put o-lines under tremendous stress with their ability to burst past would-be blockers unimpeded to the QB.  I like Wilson because he not only is genetically predisposed to pass rushing (he's just built like a pass rusher and seems to be at his best when he's coming downhill after the QB).  I like Reed because of his sick burst and tenacity.  I like Moch because of his outstanding burst and speed, and also because he already has experience moving all over the line and rushing the passer from all the different angles the position requires.

Secondary   

Thirdly, you need a pair of lockdown corners (check; be it Cro or Wilson opposite Revis) and a trio of Safeties that are versatile enough to play the run and the pass aggressively.  Don't think we would need to draft a corner to implement the scheme.  Even if Cro doesn't resign, Wilson is good enough to hold it down, in my opinion.  The safeties, assuming we resign Pool and Smith, are also intact in order to implement the system.  You need at least two safeties that have FS range, and two also have to be able to support the run like SS.  I think the triumvirate of Brodney Pool, Eric Smith and Dwight Lowery are good enough to handle the task.  And they all but proved as much with their performances in the post-season against the two greatest QBs of all time at the top of their game and on their home field (Manning and Brady), and their performance shutting down another possible Hall of Fame QB in Big Ben.  Pool and Lowery both have FS range, Lowery also is able to cover like a corner.  While Pool and Smith can each play the SS role, Smith being able to operate like a small LB.  As a unit, Rex can use them in a myriad of ways to create pressure and cause confusion.  The Player ideal for the position would be Troy Polamalu

Top Safety Prospect:  Robert Sands, WVU

As mentioned above, I really don't think we need to draft the position if we resign the guys that were here last year.  But if we were to draft a Safety for the scheme it should be Sands.  He's got the speed and athleticism to play with FS range, and he's got the size and aggression to impose his will against the run.  He already plays like a Jet and he would fit in seamlessly.

 

Suggested Draft Strategy

If we were really going to try to implement the 3-3-5 as a base defense, then the most important position to target and fill is the defensive line.  Large and athletic NT types are extremely difficult to find.  This particular draft contains two prospects (Taylor and Ellis) that fit the bill nicely and they should be aggressively targeted.  The best move may just be to trade this years and next years first round picks (if possible) to obtain multiple high second rounders, as well as other picks.  The hope would be that the rumors about Taylor's foot problems would cause him to slide to the second round where we could scoop him up with one of our high second round picks, spending the other on Ellis.  If Taylor cannot be had, then we should definitely grab Ellis first and then see who's available on the board, while keenly targeting Powe.  Powe and Moch are projected in the 3rd round range.  So it might be best to lock up Powe first and then aggressively pursue Moch (trading up if we feel the need to).  Moch very well may be the best prospect for the hybrid LB position in the 3-3-5 but he's also not highly ranked because of his lack of size and lack of LB skills.  While his value to others may be low, his value to us would be high if we're targeting him for this position.  Trading back into the 2nd round for him may be worth it if the opportunity presents itself.    

 

Conclusion

The recent sentiment of a lot of Jets is that we NEED to draft an OLB.  But I don't really think Rex values the position.  He's had two drafts so far and he has yet to draft the position in any round.  He didn't even take a flyer on a 7th rounder with raw talent to see if he can make something of them.  Even the current stable of OLBs that we have aren't bad.  And Rex seems to either use them mostly as decoys to open up blitzing lanes or takes them off the field altogether on passing downs.  He doesn't seem to have much use for OLBs, other than maybe extra run support.  So why spend a high draft pick on a pass rushing OLB when Rex is going to sub in a Safety to blitz anyway?  Why not just go ahead and draft players that are specifically situated to be effective in the de facto scheme that Rex tends to employ?

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The Best part is...

…we will see who they draft and learn what his priorities are. Its gonna be great no matter wgat we do.

So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.

by GreenBeer on Apr 20, 2011 4:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally Agree +10000000000000000000

 I just had it out with JKleco about this. The Jets need to address the DL first “NOT” OLB, I think it’s because, the PR OLB is the sexy pick for a lot of fans, the kool aid is plentiful it seems.
I’d love your scenario with getting Taylor,Ellis and or Powe.Then going after Moch, as we’ll call him the Rover backer, I don’t like Sands a lot of reports say he has a hard time in coverage, that he’s stiff,gets high in his backpedal ETC.
 IMO after the first four picks if everything went according to plan, pick a WR up, then in the 7th pick up the guy I posted from TCU, considering they play a 4-2-5 so that wouldn’t be a big jump even a small jump for him as his #‘s are perfect for the 3-3-5 and, his responsibility would be somewhat the same in a 3-3-5. I’d say he was kinda a Rover DB with playing some coverage or center field, some run support and, some QB pressure packages. I really think Jones would be a great fit.

by JETSFAN IN SC on Apr 20, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you may have misunderstood me.

This draft is based on going with a 3-3-5 defense on first and second downs as well as 3rd downs. Right now we don’t do that. If we stay within our current scheme, it wouldn’t be as imperative to grab those big athletic DLs. If we address defense, it might be better to go after a OLB before DL depending on how the prior picks shake out.

Disagree about Sands. I watched several of his games during the season and I have no idea what they’re talking about with his coverage. I saw a very fluid athlete that seemed to be in on every play. Would I asked him to cover a slot receiver? No. But I wouldn’t ask any safety, whether its Troy or Reed, to do that.

Also, I like Jones as a late round special teamer/developmental project, but there’s no way would I expect him to be a contributor for the defense any time soon. There’s a reason why nobody has heard of him, and that he’s a 7th round prospect. Its because he isn’t very good.

by Crackback on Apr 20, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That was a brilliant post. I wonder when some “expert” will cherry pick this story and post it on ESPN.com Insider?

by Ryan243 on Apr 20, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha! I wish. Thank you though for your kind words.

by Crackback on Apr 20, 2011 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know enough about Taylor’s foot issues – but are they something that is going to be a nagging career issue? Or just still recovering from a college injury?

I would be pretty happy if the Jets ultimately trade that 30th pick to a team desperate to move up and pick up a couple picks to target both Ellis and Powe in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Sometimes people get too caught up in where a guy is rated on the draft boards (ie. a 3rd round talent, a 4th round talent) and lose sight of if a guy projected to go in the 3rd round is the best fit for your team in the 2nd round based on the scheme that you are looking to run.

by Ryan243 on Apr 20, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes!!! You got exactly what I was trying to accomplish. I think people get too caught up in overall rankings and classifying certain guys as being certain rounders. Like you said, its all about finding the best fit for the team, global rankings be damned.

As for Taylor, he’s supposedly got some kinda bone fusion issue in his feet. But now there’s reports that that was all bullshit. So who knows? I’m sure the teams will have the docs give him a thorough examination before drafting him.

by Crackback on Apr 20, 2011 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am a very big basketball guy and post quite regularly on the Nets fan board (on SB Nation). Foot issues are something that teams should never take lightly, and this is even more so with a 300+ pound DT.

I am not a doctor, nor do I know about the true medical condition of Taylor – but if there is bone fusion or difficulty recovering from a broken foot – I think the Jets should pass on Taylor in the first round and look to trade back (maybe get him for second round money) or target guys like Wilson instead. Foot injuries can be a death blow to an athlete’s career.

by Ryan243 on Apr 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't like this post

i love it . its great to read posts from guys who go against the grain and think outside the box and crack YOUR HALL OF FAME IN MY BOOK ( denzel quote in remember the titans ).
we could have a draft like this
trade back into 2nd and pick wilson
new 3rd pick ellis
our 3rd pick moch
our 4th best safety available
our 5th pick ian williams NT or WR
our 6th pick chris neild NT orWR
our 7th pick O LINE or KICKER or BPA

that way we get 2 big D LINE players and 2 decent LB’S
just wondering crack what you think of ian williams or chris neild as options to go with ellis ? anthony grey could be another guy worth a look in the 6th or 7th

if its for you it won't pass you

by tinley24 on Apr 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

i really like that strategy of trading back and walking away with Wilson, Ellis and Moch. I do like taking an OL in the 4th round though – as I think we need to continually focus on building our OL due to our scheme. Have seen some guys throw around the name of John Moffit as a good get with the fourth rounder.

And that kid Gabe Miller sounds like an OLB we should be looking at very carefully later in the draft.

by Ryan243 on Apr 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rex has used his DB’s to blitz because he doesn’t have a guy like he used to in Suggs who can get to the QB. Rex has to be creative and disguise a lot of his stunts and blitzes, and sending DB’s, in order to generate pressure/sacks.

With that being said, we do need a pass rusher from the edge because teams will figure out soon enough what is happening. But Rex has enough confidence in what he does that he doesnt need to reach for someone in the draft or overspend in FA when he can compensate in other areas.

by FlightBoy83 on Apr 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

We don’t actually NEED an OLB. We all want one, bc its a sexy thing to have. But we’ve shown that we don’t NEED one. We’ve had a top 3 defense the past 2 years without one.

And knew exactly what he had after his first season. He knew he didn’t have a “take the game over” pass rusher. If he felt he NEEDED to have one he would have drafted one.

Honestly, I think Rex believes in his exotic blitzes. I think he has an ego and wants it to be HIS schemes that win, and not the talent. He was to do it differently than anybody ever has. That’s why we saw him max bltzing over and over and over again despite the fact that opponents were max protecting to pick it up and attacking the weaknesses in coverage.

I really think that Rex doesn’t want a pure pass rusher. He wants his blitzes to win.

by Crackback on Apr 20, 2011 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i agree with most of what you said

it’s true rex rex hasen’t drafted a OLB in the last two drafts, but he hasn’t drafted a DL either. Rex inherited great OLB’s in Baltimore. i heard in a interveiw how he loved working with suggs. last year, we finished first in D so rex saw no need to realy push anyone into the lineup, it could explain why we took a corner, a pick we did not particularly need. rex has never needed to draft a OLB, so i don’t think we can decide yet weather he values them or not. i do agree with you that we’ll prob go DL in the first, rex seems to love DL’s. it seems we haven’t mentioned guys that might fall to us, or might be picked a couple of picks before us (remember tanny is known for trading up). When was the last time we talked about J.J Watt? Peter King had him going at 27 to the falcons, and he said the falcons would take him because he’s to good to pass up. how much can it cost to move from 30 to 27? Do you like Watt? i just see him becoming a force

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by rexthejet on Apr 20, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Watt a lot. But I was trying to target guys who thought would be ideal DLs in a 3-3-5, and as much as I like Watt I don’t think he’s the type of DL that can command and control double teams at the next level.

Not even sure Watt is worth it with our current system and personnel. I mean, we snatched up Jarron Gilbert in the middle of last year and just 2 yrs ago he led the nation in tackles for loss in college. He’s extremely talented and athletic, and Rex apparently loves the guy and was said to have been practically drooling over him when he worked him out in the pre-draft process.

I think I’d rather see Gilbert get a spin before drafting a typical DE like Watt.

by Crackback on Apr 20, 2011 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

whatever happened to Jarron Gilbert? Is he still on the Jets squad? I really never heard his name after we picked him up. If so, do you anticipate him having a role on the team this year and getting some real playing time?

It would be ironic if we do none of what we have discussed (drafting a OLB, DL, DT, OT, trading back) with the 30th pick and draft a safety or a running back (if Ingram were to fall).

by Ryan243 on Apr 21, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

If we were to trade back from the 30th pick and could theoretically pick up 2 2nd round picks – it wouldn’t be a bad idea if we could pick up Wilson or Taylor (Taylor could drop due to foot injury) and then with the second pick in the 2nd round get Kyle Rudolph if he falls. Having a 2 TE set for Sanchez could be a nice insurance policy against Santonio leaving and I think Sanchez is better suited to throwing the short pass in the flat than the deep ball – and this also follows with the ground and pound move the chains type offense that the Jets seem to be better suited for running.

by Ryan243 on Apr 21, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't offer much with who the Jets should pick, but

I can write with all the confidence in the world that Rex loves secondary guys. I mean man crush kind of love. The one thing he really wants badly is a stud FS. There might not be somebody worth taking in the first round, but if Rex can find a stud that can play his system, you really going to see his defense take off.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Apr 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

apparently safety in this draft isnt very deep

so i’m not sure the stud would come from drafting

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Apr 21, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-3-5

That would be something to be the 1st team in NFL history to go that route but woundnt using that formation be weak against the run unless maybe an extra safety lines up closer like an ILB?

by Nu York Fan on Apr 21, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Could absolutely be vulnerable against the run if you don’t have the right personnel. Which is why I stressed that its imperative that we have big, athletic DLs that could tie up blockers and allow backers to flow freely.

by Crackback on Apr 21, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent write up, Crack. Rec’d

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by Ryan Alfieri on Apr 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot RA. I appreciate that man.

by Crackback on Apr 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like these days, good DCs don't have a 'base' scheme.

In any given game or season, they’ll play in a lot of different packages, some more than others. With 3 receivers sets being so common these days, a team needs to be capable of playing nickel every down if they have to. They also need to be able to play against pro personnel all game. And it’s gotten to the point where running down linemen who come off the field in pass situations are seen as much as ‘subs’ as those nickel corners and safeties.

I like the post, and the analysis of positional requirements that take too much of a back seat. I doubt Rex will abandon the 3-4. Formation has a little to do with your personnel, but more to do with the opposition’s. If you’re playing a team that wants to go 3 wide on 1st down, you need to have the guys to run 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 or whichever. It’s not set in stone, but you need 11 players who match up against that 3 wide set. If your opponent comes out with an imbalanced line, 2 TEs and 1 wide receiver, you need to have the personnel to mix it up in the trenches and stop the run. Subs are a huge part of football, and Rex, as well as my own Pats, at least seem to be aware of this trend.

This is why I think front-7 focused teams like the Ravens and Steelers are starting to falter. While that power and pass rush are great, teams with good receiver personnel will just spread em out and attack your weak nickel and dime DBs, picking apart those soft zones underneath and up the seams. Those teams still seem to rank high each year, but I believe that’s because they dominate weaker teams so violently. As a Pats fan, I think the Jets have the best defense in the league right now, because they’re built to actually shut down some of the very best offenses the NFL has ever seen.

by 108 on Apr 23, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Crack – So we now have Wilkerson to plug in on our DL (most likely as a DE). I know your scheme is to go after a big space eating NT – but we got the pass rushing DE that we needed (which I think makes an OLB much less important).

What is your draft strategy going forward? My guess is that you are looking to aggressively target Kendrick Ellis with our next pick – which would be a pretty sweet haul for our D-Line.

Would love to hear your thoughts, as I agree with your premise on the 3-3-5 and think that Rex is trying to build this type of scheme going forward.

by Ryan243 on Apr 29, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

wow, you nailed it with this post looking back on the draft. nice work

by lund123 on May 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

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