Should Jim Leonhard Be the Primary Punt Returner?
In the past four weeks, three different Jets returners have muffed punts that went for turnovers. The most important job of any return man is to secure the catch. In an ideal world, the guy will have some moves to potentially bust a big return, but the biggest job is to do no harm because turnovers on the punt are pretty much an equivalent of a forty yard completion for the other team.
Nobody would confuse Jim Leonhard with a dynamic return man. He is smart and reads his blocks well, but he is not explosive. What he does is catch the ball.
Now that Jeremy Kerley has joined Joe McKnight and Antonio Cromartie in the turnover club, one cannot help but wonder whether Leonhard will take his old job back. Rex Ryan and Mike Westoff talk a lot about limiting mistakes, but they have not been putting the safest option out there. Leonhard is that guy and should probably see the bulk of the returns except in spots when the Jets have their backs against the wall and need a big return.
What do you think?
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Honestly I'm glad
Not as dangerous of a return man, but I can not bear to watch another fumble… I would almost rather they did not have a return man and just let the ball bounce and be downed where ever, it’s getting that ridiculous.
Yes, yes and yes
The most important job of a punt returner is to not turn the ball over. The second thing is to try and gain some yards.
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Rex Ryan thinks so.
He just stated that he and Westy are leaning toward Leonhard for the rest of the season.
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Am I just me? Or am I hot in here?
I really would..
…like that mood. We have enough mistakes on both offense and defense consistantly happening. We don’t need special teams adding on to that. You can’t win games turning over the ball.
i think the jets should give kerly another chance
the kids a rookie and he didnt play for like 2-2.5 weeks but before that he was handling that job just fine. the kid was rusty and westoff likes him alot
No but Kerley muffed a couple more
He just bobbled it badly or muffed it out of bounds. He clearly has to get better at handling punts before we out him back out there.
You kind of have to put hm back there at this point
I think we should try Kyle Wilson again though. He was an amazing returner in college, and now that he has his confidence back I think he deserves another try. But considering how many muffs we’ve had this year, I’d be happy with someone who can just catch the ball.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 5, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
Hard to say
Obviously the most important goal is to catch the ball and do no harm. The question is whether Leonhard is the only guy who can be trusted.
The thing that bothered me most about Kerley’s turnover wasn’t that he dropped it. It was that he should have signaled for a fair catch. That makes me nervous going forward.
Kerley
Let the kid take his lumps and learn. Why is ok for Jimmy and Smitty to get burned week after week? And Mark to throw pick 6s like its nobodies business? And hunter and mully to play “who can suck more today?”. But the kid muffs one punt and we flip out like its the end of mankind.
We had the same overreaction to early fumbles by Greene and McKnight and we almost wrecked their confidence for good. Let’s not make the same mistake with Kerley.
Cmon Rex, let the kid keep his job. Give a vote of confidence like u do everybody else that u let suck it up out there for weeks on end. One muff is not a chronic problem.
by Crackback on Dec 5, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes
he does.
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it is not ok.for pick 6's...
But the option is Brunell. It is not ok for Hunter but the option is ducasse. Greene fumbled last year and the option was LT. That got us 900 yrds and SG fresh at the end and he learned the importance of ball.protection. As for Mcknight he has come back as a beast this year. Leonard is a good option and it didnt almost wreck their confidence, it seemed to increase their focus. Also, we are in win or go home mode. You have to go proven here. Vote of confidence for a rookie here…another fumble and Rex would and should get killed. Fumbles on punts are the worst momentum changers. Even the pick 6 doesn’t put a tired D back on the field in a position where best case scenario they give up only 3 pts.
by george JETson on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
We burnt out Tomlinson and left ourselves stuck with a mediocre Greene. We could have gotten McKnight started in the offense last season (Brad Smith/McKnight wildcat wouldve been SICK). Would Ducasse really be worse than Hunter? Really? Ducasse can at least move people in the run game. And Ducasse is clearly a better option than Mully as a blocking TE.
And explain to me the logic of trotting out that safety combo that he did ALL FREAKIN YEAR.
Kerley can at least make a play back there. I’m sick of watching Jim catch it and fall to the ground 5 yds later.
by Crackback on Dec 6, 2011 7:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a no-brainer - Give Jim the Ball!
The Jets are one loss away from calling it a season. There’s no quicker way to lose a game than by turning the ball over. While I think Kerley and McKnight might prove to be good return options for the Jets in the long-term (i.e., next season and beyond), it’s crunch-time and we need the ball security that Jim Leonard provides. If we have a game in hand, I don’t mind giving Kerley or McKnight reps but that’s the only time.
I never liked Cromartie as a return man. He is one of the league’s top cornerbacks and is way too valuable to risk injury. If he were significantly better than our other options, then I think there could be an argument but he’s not and there isn’t.
No-brainer
Leonhard on every punt return. Too late in the season and too much at stake to work out these kinds of issues now. Kerley was having trouble before anyway (not knowing when to fair catch or catch and run…probably contributed to the fumble yesterday). Let him focus on WR for now where he’s playing pretty well. Build up your confidence there then punt return next year.
No, Leonhard is not going to break one open, but we will keep possession at least.
Well Said!
The only thing I disagree with is I think Leonhard could break one open. Our blocking schemes on special teams are excellent. It relies more on decisive running than explosive running. We don’t need a Devin Hester to produce TD’s. We’ve been able to plug in a number of capable guys over the years like Leon and Brad who have been smart and decisive – not necessarily explosive.
leon and brad
was def explosive dude and someone brought it up but i think we should let kyle do some as well or have both kyle and kerly back there and like i said before give kerly a chance
I'll agree that Leon is explosive but
looking at what Brad has done supports my point. In 15 Kick Returns for the Bills this season, Brad is yet to break one for 30 yards. With the Jets, Brad’s kick return average was greater than his longest return this year with the Bills. Explosive returners, in my opinion, have the ability to create good returns based on their inherent explosiveness (like Devin and Deon). The point I was trying to make is that the Jets have excellent return blocking schemes that they execute on a high level. They don’t rely on a return man leveraging their explosiveness to make a play. They rely on their return man to be decisive and follow the blocking schemes. I believe Leonhard can do this and thus will have the potential to break one.
As long as the kicker does not catch Leonard from behind he could break one.Jets have enough problems
scoring points.They can’t be giving ball away on a simple punt return.Jim wins the job by default
by Putnan Prince on Dec 5, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Everything we are doing is conservative
An offense that does not score TDs in the first Q. We’ve stopped heavy blitzing. The entire plan seems to be “let the defense” win it, while the defense is seriously inconsistent.
I say, stay with Jim until the Giants game to stabilize the team. From then on out we need to take risks to try to bust out a playoff run.
I say Kerley by then. We just don’t have the defense to win close games and make a playoff run without any field position help from PR.
Plus, as bad as our safeties are, we would be in DEEP waters if Jim got hurt.
Leonhard's probably the best option given the circumstances of a ridiculous amount of ST turnovers we've had, but...
My god, might as well have a fair catch specialist back there. It really leaves a sour taste in my mouth to have had guys like Leonhard and Cotchery returning punts when there is absolutely no threat of the ball being brought back 20+ yards, much less a TD.
I’d like to see Kyle Wilson back there. He was a superb punt return guy in college, he has speed and elusiveness, and he’s not a starter so his loss wouldn’t be catastrophic. Losing Jimmy hurts the defense more than losing Kyle, even though I personally find that sad since Leonhard is an only average safety.
I disagree as strongly as one can possibly disagree with the notion that losing Leonhard would hurt us more than losing Wilson. Wilson has been the second best db on the team this year.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 5, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of
Let Leonhard return inside the 20….either that or teach Kerl to let everything go inside the 10 and hope for a TB.
I don’t thing Kerl and Cro are good at catching the big hang time kick deep when guys are surrounding them.
by Doug Jolly on Dec 5, 2011 5:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I want to return my Westy Bobblehead....
We use to be the first on special teams, now we look like the last.
This is actually something I don’t get. It’s so rare that the Jets do trick plays on special teams. Except Weatherford’s messed up one last year, I don’t remember the last time we tried a fake punt, kick, or did a trick return.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Dec 5, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Here's one, should we be interested in DeSean Jackson during the offseason?
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No This is Patrick...
No...
…he’ll be asking for too much. And I am looking for larger receivers in our future. We already have Holmes and Kerley who looks to develop into a nice receiver.
Yeah, thats what I think
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by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 5, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
He might not have elite return ability, but he never muffs the punt, never fumbles, and never runs backwards. With him back there, its just one less aspect of the game we need to worry about.
McKnight on kickoff returns, Leonhard and Kerley situationally on punt returns. Cromartie should not be put back there on either unless literally everybody else is injured. And when I say everybody I include linebackers, defensive tackles, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, coaches and fans.
If only coaches could suit up and receive...
If that were the case I’d say Schotty should do it!
by cult hero on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious
That’s just LOL hilarious.
I say go with explosive guys i.e. Kerley on punts & McKnight on kicks, but all previous arguments for Leonard are persuasive. They need to practice, practice, practice catching, catching, catching the ball and then give our Jets the field position advantage we expect as a regular day in the office for this team.
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weigh options
keep Mcknight and Curley working on punt return during practice till they get it right, almost all punt returners drop the ball but the team should have someone guarding the punt returner if he drops the ball
Agreed!
I know I'm human, and that's my greatest weakness. But, I never let it stop me, and that's my greatest strength. - Frank Castle
Reverse?
How about he catches it and hands it to Kerley? You do that once in a while and it may open things up for Leonard.
I was at the game in the endzone that the punter kicked from
In Kerley’s defense, that punt looked like a nightmare to catch. It came off the punter’s foot and had a ton of left-right movement, looked as if it was a booming high punt and then seemed to just die and fall wayyyy short of it’s original trajectory.
With all that said, with our current playoff picture – we can’t afford to make any mistakes. We need to play conservative special teams and go with the guy that protects the ball and possession the best. I vote for Leonard this season!
"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden
The main concern of A punt returner is to be able to catch the ball securely
If you can’t get under it safely and be able to catch it, get away from it. Even Deion Sanders agreed when Cro dropped his punt, just STAY AWAY if you have to run around and secure it
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No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Should have happened couple weeks ago
The cost of the turnovers is much greater than the benefit of having anyone else return. None of the other options is a Hester-like threat and with the offense playing the way it is, we need to focus on ball control, field position and defense. Between offense and special teams turnovers, we’ve given away a LOT of points.
Besides, Leonard is pretty good, though not explosive, returning punts. His first step is always forward so he makes positive yards and he does the little smart things (catches short punts before they bounce, knows when to fair-catch etc).
by Freeman_made_them_miss on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions

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