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On Aaron Maybin, Patience, and Coaching

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The people who expected this kind of production from Aaron Maybin were few and far between when the Jets signed him. Some people were in the, "This guy stinks. Why would the Jets sign him?" camp. I was one of these people. You might now refer to use as the "dead wrong" camp. There was another group who said, "This guy has potential. Let's see what Rex Ryan can do." Few would have been willing to put money on Maybin turning into an impact player.

If you saw Maybin's first two years in the NFL, you would probably feel justified. He was as ineffective as Vernon Gholston. It did not look like the guy could play. What is different this year? He is receiving good coaching. He is being put into a role that suits his strengths. He is being taught how to succeed at his position by an excellent coaching staff. Say what you will about Rex Ryan. He knows defense. Maybin looks like a more complete player each week. He is starting to develop some pass rushing moves. Further, he is being given a chance. It took him two years of struggling, but he figured it out.

We all want guys to come in and dominate from day one. Frequently when they do not we simply write them off too soon. That goes for me. It goes for everybody. How many people dismissed Kyle Wilson and Joe McKnight after rough rookie years? Now both are contributing a lot and look like they will see their roles increase in the future.

Sometimes patience really is a virtue. Maybe things will click for Vladimir Ducasse. Maybe Mark Sanchez really needs to be put into a position that suits his strengths. Then again, maybe they lack talent like Gholston and Kellen Clemens. There are no hard and fast rules. It just must stink to be the Bills and watch Maybin have success with another team after perhaps giving up on him too soon. Keep this in mind when you evaluate players. I will do my best keep my end of the bargain on this.

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Only thing that would make it worse for the Bills was a Pro Bowl selection for Maybin

And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 5, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Like I always say

Patience comes to those who wait.

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by dvdvil on Dec 5, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Maybin will only get better

The key to successful coaching is recognizing the player’s strength and positioning him/her to take advantage of that strength. However, the additional ingredient is a willingness on the player’s part to do whatever is necessary to succeed. The right player, the right situation, and good coaching usually wins out.

How many ‘stars’ played for Bobby Knight? How many ‘stars’ play for Belicheck? On the flipside: how many ‘stars’ played for the Redskins and, now, the Eagles. You could have a roster full of ‘stars’ and go nowhere. Give me players who listen, are disciplined, know their position inside and out, as well as the players’ around them, are dedicated to give it their all each and every play and, then, expose them to good coaching and you’ll have a contending team year in and year out.

Bobby Knight, Wooden, Belicheck, Landry, Lombardi, et al: they all got the most out of their players, regardless of skill level. Know your position and excel at it. That’s all the player needs to do to succeed with good coaching!

Ducasse’s strength is perfectly suited for Guard NOT RT. Focusing him on that ONE position will make him a Pro Bowl guard within 3 years from today. He’s got the physical tools. He’s got the brains (MA grad). He’s dedicated. He’ll flourish at RG. Your example of Kyle Wilson is spot on — perfect Nickle. McKnight — perfect KR and 3rd down back.

We’ve got a bunch of guys just waiting to succeed and we’ve got the coaching to make that happen…except OC. It just takes patience.

by JetLogic on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And that...

…just about says it all! Fire OC “B.S.” and promote B. Callahan to OC. He has demonstrated the ability to use what he has while being the OC @ Oakland. I remember them leading the league in “rushing” and two years later leading the league in “passing”. He will “get it done” and change the offense into a strength rather than a liability. This in turn will improve the defense as well.

by BachsOfRain on Dec 5, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And that...

Second and 1, after Greene runs for nine, and we get two pass plays! Talk about ‘saying it all’. What in God’s name goes on in Sh**hammer’s head???? Doesn’t Ryan ask the same questions we’re asking? If Sh**hammer is back next year, we’ll be having the same conversation once again.

by JetLogic on Dec 5, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd and 1 is the best down and distance to go for a deep/intermediate pass play

I don’t fault him for trying to push the ball down the field on 2nd and 1.

But 3rd down? Run it.

by J-Nasty on Dec 7, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Mayhem Baby!

The Jets are putting him in a position to be successful and he is thriving. They did the same for Vernon and he did not, that shows Maybin has the talent. I think with a full off-season and training camp he can become bigger, stronger and develop more moves. He will be a keeper for the Jets he is aggressive, relentless and has heart.

by NYCKID on Dec 5, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Feeling on the Bills side

Maybin failed miserably in Buffalo. He was routinuely pancaked in 1-1 drills with tackles who aren’t even in the NFL anymore. When he was cut, not many were surprised. Heck, even the Jets cut Maybin from their team (only to resign him later). Let’s be honest, he just wasn’t any good in the beginning of this year and prior to this year.

What I have noticed is Maybin fits the Jets blitzing scheme. His speed and quickness draws out the tackles wide bringing room for overload blitzes on his side. If the tackle doesn’t swing wide, Maybin can easily go around them.

The Bills never spent much time working with Maybin and didn’t change their scheme to fit him. Our gripe was never his work ethic but rather performance. He just didn’t perform and didn’t fit our scheme.

Will Maybin continue to improve? If he can get some more pass rushing moves, he could be a threat on EVERY 3rd down. However, he still has to get better at containment on running plays. He’s a good couple years away from developing into a 2-3 down LB.

But one thing is clear….if Maybin has it in him….Rex will get it out of him. I am envious of the Jets in that your defensive coaching staff is quite talented… At this time, I wish I could say the same for Buffalo…

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Dec 5, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

It's funny because when you guys picked him, everyone I knew up there hated the pick.

And with Brian Orakpo still on the board, I was baffled by the pick as well. He just didn’t seem to be a pick that fit what your defense scheme. So, I think it’s more of an indictment on your front office then a lack of talent on Maybin’s part.

Heck, we did the same thing with Gholston. Our LBs aren’t schemed to be athletic freaks, it’s about technique and the ability to get into the correct position. Gholston was just too raw there and all the muscles in the world rarely make up for a crippling handicap in regards to poor technique and lack of defensive mental aptitude.

Maybin for us filled a need in our scheme, a speed rushing DE, actually any speed on our defense was needed. By far our fastest guy, Cromartie, couldn’t tackle a JV backup, so we had no speed to blitz with. It’s unfortunate that your FO wasted that pick, but “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's ironic too

Because the Bills have prided themselves on being a “trash to treasure” team. Most of the talented folks on the Bills are misfits. Either undrafted, or 5th-7th round picks are highly prized and performing well.

The sad part is our 1st round picks never seem to pan out….Whitner, JP Losman, Maybin, McKelvin, the list goes on and on….

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

True true, some strange scouts up there.

I do think it might be because of coaching and changes in coaching up there. Later round guys tend to get more opportunities when new coaching is brought in. Hey and JP Losman has got a UFL championship now, I think he’ll be resurging soon enough.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Def, I mean that's all mental.

He’s the posterboy for a bust because he has all the physical tools and none of the mental ones to play at the NFL level. Which will also be the reason he will get looks from teams for the rest of his career…and sadly the reason he got drafted by us.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair post and thanks for weighing in

I was a fan of signing him just to see what Rex could do with him. But even I never expected him to get six sacks and 4 forced fumbles. I have to say that I have heard mixed things about his attitude in Buffalo. However, he seems to like playing with the Jets and has a team first attitude that I love. In his post game interview, he could have used the stage to talk about himself but instead talked about the team.

"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan

by OldJetsFanatic on Dec 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted, he's gotta have getting paid on his mind with that too.

Once you take away the fact that he has used this time to prove he can be a capable player, he’s still got do all the things players will do in a contract year situation which he’s now in.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he doesn't

But bear in mind when the Jets cut him earlier this year no one else picked him up. I think he’s playing for his career right now, not a bigger pay day.

"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan

by OldJetsFanatic on Dec 5, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh for sure, I think even getting those 6 sacks guarentees him another shot

here or somewhere else. I think now what he puts forward on and off the field will determine his next contract, and you can be sure he (Really, his agent) knows this.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Feeling on the Bills side

To add another perspective. The Jets are doing what the Bills should have this year. Put him in strictly as a pass-rushing specialist, and not as a regular LB, because he just isn’t there yet. He’s had many of the same moves with the Bills as he does now, but he just hasn’t had the opportunity to use them (inactive for the majority of his career). And despite his small size, he is powerful as I do vaguely recall him simply pushing a LT back several yards as a Bill. So despite his size, he can bullrush if he gets his hands placed correctly.

Gailey prides himself on being able to fit schemes to players, rather than players to schemes, and this is true when it comes to offense. On defense, it’s a whole different can of worms and our D was never schemed to help Maybin succeed. This year it might have worked as our rushing D has gotten substantially better even without our best defensive player in the lineup. With a better rush D, we could have kept him in the lineup despite being a liability against the run.

For whatever reason (attitude of players toward him, effort, or general incompetence by our D-Coordinator [dear god I hope he’s fired at the end of the season, he’s basically our version of Brian Schottenheimer]) he didn’t work here. I’m curious to see how he does next year, if he improves, or simply stays a pass rushing specialist.

I’m still neutral on seeing him go. I was for the pick at the time (though I was really hoping Raji would fall), but his character just miffed me in the end (celebrating each tackle like he won an Olympic Gold Medal). Some of his sacks have looked legit (Washington’s), and some not (Miami, c’mon). Credit is due for some of them, and some is just the beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time.

As for one thing I keep seeing around here, I’m not too sure he’d be able to buff up beyond 240, and even at 240 I think over the course of the season he’d lose most of the weight. When he’s at his 229 area, he’s really freakin cut. I’m just not convinced that he hasn’t already grown into his full natural muscle build so any extra weight would likely be fat.

That’s just my perspective.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (4th Round)

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad he is playing good

and hopefully he continues to improve.

We’re going need pressure on these QB’s, to win out.

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by PuffDaddy18 on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

The guys only 24 yrs old. he will only get better. he needs to bulk up and work on different technique so he is not a one trick pony. I am glad he is on the Jets. He has a motor second to none.

by Chrebetfan on Dec 5, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think people tend to ignore the fact that we have a very slow defense overall,

and even our backups are slow. Maybin filled not just a positional need as a pass rushing DE. He also filled a unit need for quickness and a motor in any of our DLs and LBs. It’s hard to blitz effectively when you do it the same way everytime, Maybin adds a new dimension, even if it’s only on 3rd downs.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Do the Jets re-sign him?

And if so, what kind of a contract do you think he gets? I would imagine nothing long term, or substantial. Even with all the production this season, he still has a lot to prove, I would imagine.

by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 5, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

I would def try to get him on a cheap 3 year deal, laden with incentives.

That’ll bring him through his development years and after that contract, he would have plenty of time to show what he can do in our system.

by Timmaht on Dec 5, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

At the same time, it's just as bad to give up on someone too late as it is too soon

You lose out on time that could be spent developing another guy and set back the team if you have TOO much patience on a guy that simply doesn’t have it. I think there’s something you look to see specifically in some guys, even if they aren’t lighting the league on fire as a 1st or 2nd year player, that makes you think they can be a player and are worth the effort. I would say that we spent too much time on Vernon Gholston when the fact that he still couldn’t get on the field by his 2nd year should’ve shown that we should pan for other pass rushers. Raiders did it with Russell. Sometimes you get rewarded for patience (like SF with Alex Smith, who most reasonable teams would’ve gotten rid of like 2 or 3 years ago), sometimes you get burned for it (like Detroit with Joey Harrington). It’s all a matter of opinion and hope that you trust your scouting and are right in your beliefs, and if you are a good scout you should be right more often than you aren’t. Some people may see Vlad Ducasse and say “he just needs more time, he has physical tools and size, he could be a beast or at least a quality player” and I’d look at that and say “WTF are you smoking, Vlad has no explosion off the line and he’ll never be a player in this league, I’d draft another OL high to see if that guy is capable of taking Vlad’s spot”. One person is right.

by J-Nasty on Dec 5, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I am thinking...

…Vlad’s NFL position is going to be at (RG) and that may end up working out for the “TEAM”. It is a shame that the departure of D. Woody was handled so poorly. W. Hunter has been coached up however and is playing at a higher level than early this year. The RT position appears to be the weak link on offense. The addition of A. Maybin turned the B. Thomas injury into a “blessing in disguise”. The pressure he brings is intense and while he is yet to muscle up he has changed the weakpoint of the defense to (S) in my opinion.
A. Maybin is benefiting from coaching as well as being utilized properly. Imagine the upgrade we can all expect to see on the offensive side of the ball once we get an “OC”(see B. Callahan).

by BachsOfRain on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Clemens never got a legitimate shot

"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden

by BoilerLax26 on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I'm a huge Sanchez fan

but just callin a spade a spade..

"The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team." - John Wooden

by BoilerLax26 on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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