My defense of Mark Sanchez
I've seen plenty of people on this blog who hate this guy and want him gone. However, i've also seen some people who don't think his lack of development since last season is his fault. Some people blame Schotty, others blame Rex, whoever. I haven't yet seen anyone make an entire post defending him however (a post about how much Schotty sucks doesn't count), so i've decided to be bold and make one myself.
Let's start with what he looked like in college. He played for a USC team that was really stacked. I think they had like 12 guys drafted that year and several more drafted next year. He had a lot of talent around him to help him out, so i wouldn't imagine anything was overly difficult for him. What we saw was a quarterback with good mobility, the ability to roll out, and a really nice deep ball. I don't know if anybody remembers how far he threw that thing. Watch this video to refresh your memory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_rib5nD5P0 . What we see here is a quarterback that doesn't look like he's thinking at all, he's having fun, using his instincts, and playing football. So, given how good that USC team was, and the fact that he only started one year, what you have coming into the draft is a VERY raw product that needs a lot of coaching up and work to do to make the transition to the NFL.
We all know how bad he was his rookie year, i don't think i really need to go into that. I do remember watching a video of him being interviewed by boomer esiason regarding some of the struggles his rookie year where Mark Mentioned that between his year at SC and his first three games which he won, he just got so used to winning that he didn't know how to handle losing. So what i'm thinking is that throughout all of those games (including the first 3 in the NFL) he wasn't thinking at all, just playing, winning, and having fun doing so.
His second year, despite having some rather low stats, he showed some flashes of brilliance and what he's capable of being, such as the week 2 game against the patriots where he picked apart their defense and threw 3 touchdowns. He also led several 4th quarter comebacks, i can't recall off the top of my head how many. Either way, critics claimed that the Jets were winning games in spite of his general mediocrity, which i suppose you could argue at the time.
Now, there's this year. Let me first bring up the fact that there was a lockout and the players didn't have any time to spend with coaches. I remember i was watching the thursday night game between the Bucs and Cowboys, and Brad Nessler mentioned that the reason Josh Freeman made such a big leap in between his first 2 seasons was because he was always at the facility watching film, and working with his coaches and teammates. He didn't have that this year, which was a big part of his dip in production. Guess what? Mark Sanchez didn't have this either. Mark Sanchez also had a completely different group of receivers and was initially put in an offense where he was meant to carry the load and throw the ball 40+ times a game. That didn't work out too well. Some may use this as evidence as to why he sucks, but guess what? Very few quarterbacks are capable of carrying their team like that. Even Matt Ryan doesn't play well when he doesn't hand the ball off to Michael Turner at least 20 times a game. Now, I know that some of you are gonna bring up Matt Stafford, but Matt Stafford had several years of starting experience in college, and also showed brief flashes of how good he was in what little time he played his second season (he threw 4 touchdowns against the redskins). Point there is that Matt Stafford is just really good, he was the 1st overall pick for a reason. Anyway, I won't deny that Mark Sanchez hasn't played great this season and definitely has his fair share of problems, be it hanging onto the ball too long, fumbling, throwing stupid picks, missing open receivers, and not hitting them in stride, but he's also done good things. For example, he's already tied the Jets' single season record for total touchdowns (30) and his improvement is a big reason why the Jets are so much better in the red zone this year. Also, he's made some really good throws that make your eyes pop out.
Some of you are certainly saying "well this his 3rd year, he should be better than this". You wanna know who else was supposed to be better than he was at the time, and was also considered to just be another draft bust? Eli Manning. Eli Manning is another New York quarterback who was pretty bad his first few seasons. In fact, i'm pretty sure he was worse than Mark Sanchez. There was a game where he had a passer rating of zero, ZERO! It wasn't until Eli's fifth season that he had a passer rating above 80, and unlike Sanchez, he started at Ole Miss for almost all 4 years. Everyone was calling for Eli's head, but Tom Coughlin decided to get him a new OC, and now, several years later, Eli's playing pretty darn well. I don't see any Giants fans complaining now.
Let's wrap this up, from what i'm seeing in Mark Sanchez during games, he thinks way too much and doesn't use his instincts. Ever wonder why he's been so good in the 2 minute drill? Because he doesn't think, he just plays. We don't know whether or not Schotty is gonna be back this season, but either way, Mark isn't worth giving up on just yet. As i've said before, Mark has had his fair share of problems, i'm not denying that by any means. He just needs to find his groove in the NFL. The giants gave Eli about 7 years, why not give Mark some more time?
Feel free to critique.
Edit: I've also noticed lots of people saying that Mcelroy's a lot better and that he showed way more poise and composure during the preseason and that he's better than Mark. Wrap this around your head, a lot of the stuff that happens in the preseason usually doesn't translate into the regular season. Remember when the 2008 lions went undefeated in the preseason and then didn't win a single game? Remember how bad Andy Dalton and Cam Newton were and how good they are now? We can have a QB controversy once Sanchez gets hurt and Mcelroy has to step in for a spell. Don't get me wrong though, I do like Mcelroy.
Another edit: Sanchez is one of only 5( i think) quarterbacks to win 30 games in their first 3 years. There's something distinct about winning games, no matter how much help you have. Now, you may say "well he had a great defense and run game". So does Blaine Gabbert, I don't see him winning games. And wouldn't it just be a little odd to let go of the Jets quarterback with more playoff starts and wins than any other?
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Well done sir
You also forgot, statistically he’s improved in yards[well he will by the end of this coming game], TDs[ both passing and overall including rushing], sure he’s thrown more INTs.
This team also was a top redzone offense
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Very nice post
Has anyone else noticed, the length of time it takes to get the play call in, huddle and get to the line, never does Mark have enough time to access the “D” line up, he has a very few seconds to look around and then get the ball snapped. This could also be a big share of him thinking to much after the snap. Give the kid some time to look things over and do his thinking before he has to take the ball. Watch the elite QB’s they have 13 seconds or better at the line of scrimage before the ball is snapped.
Yeah pretty much, everything at the line is all those silly presnap nonsense
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 30, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
How many times have you seen Sanchez motioning over to the sideline to get him a play. And he undoubtably plays best when he he has been in two-minute drill mode (especially when he had a functional Right Tackle and more than 2 seconds to throw).
by Black Dog Jet on Dec 30, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
good post
i agree with a lot of what you mention . i wrote something on a different post that i think is relevant here
" sanchez reminds me of nick folk i was on here last year defending folk when everyone wanted him ran out of town . the reason i was defending him was because i could see his confidence was at an all time low . he got cut from the cowboy’s after being a pro bowl player for them . he missed some kicks and you could see him thinking " oh no , not again " i can see the same thing with sanchez this year . its not fun for him anymore like his 2 previous years . the weight of the teams sucess was put on his shoulders this year and that is what hampered sanchez . you can see the fear in his eyes during games . instead of going out saying " i’m gonna throw a TD " he’s saying " oh god i hope i don’t F up "its hard to play to your potential when fear of failure gets a hold on you and this is the 1st time sanchez had to deal with that . some players need to get chewed out to perform better whereas other might need an arm on their shoulder and hear encouraging words . i don’t know which sanchez needs but the coaches are not aware of which guy sanchez is yet " .
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Great Post
And it just confirms more of what i thought of Brian Schottenheimer. The QB in that video, the talent, and the ability that guy shows are all things that the current OC isn’t taking advantage of. Yet again, another player than our CRAP OC refuses to use based on their strengths. And i still believe that Mark Sanchez is possibly the best roll out passer in the NFL. I really can’t wait to see what the kid can do with a new OC that lets him play his game.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
by jetsbill on Dec 30, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
but i also see it as not having open wr's
like the guys actually have separation from the db’s in that video…. dont think ive seen a jets player so open in a while
I've been saying this and I'll say it again:
This offense and Sanchez would take enormous steps forward if only Schotty was fired. The offense is wasting talent with him directing it and Sanchez would immediately improve with any change at OC.
by JetKing55 on Dec 30, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well Rex says Schotty isn't leaving unless he gets a head coaching gig somewhere else
So that pretty much means Sanchez is gone after next year
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Son of Marty has been offered several High School head coaching positions but most of those
expect him to teach gym and a Health class but he is holding out for Driver’s Ed class.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 30, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Lingerie Football League will have an opening at HC.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Screw that I want that position, Schotty won't take that from me too.
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 30, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Schotty...
… must go. M. Sanchez is NOT the problem. A new O.C./Q. B. coach will work wonders in itself. This franchise is young and built to win with a solid core of players locked up. The changes made in this offseason will get the Jets to the next level and 2012 is the year the championships start and the futility ends.
wait a second
how does this only have 2 rec’s? great job. if we lose on sunday, i wonder how many days it will take untill schotty is fired
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by rexthejet on Dec 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully...
… The F.O. will have a plan, getting the best possible candidate in their sites. With a plan B and C to follow plan A, in any event it will be an upgrade over the “Prevent Offense” that has been in place the past seven seasons.
Nice post Dar and thanks for the highlight video
I never watch college football so I didn’t know much about Sanchez before he was drafted but the video really shows how he is not being used properly by the NYJ.
It seems like the coaches are trying to change Mark and it’s ruining him. I’m not a football expert by any stretch of the imagination but I believe you can’t change a player into something he’s not. Why not create a gameplan that will highlight Mark’s skill set?
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by MDGeekyGrl on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you have to play to strengths, look at Cam Newton and Tebow.
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff.
He has shown flashes and he has improved. But going from terrible to bad, is not ok. And the constant clustermuck of the routine, mundane, simple reads and throws are on nobody but him.
I do think he’s been poorly coached, and a new OC is an absolute necessity, but he needs to start hitting guys when they’re open and moving the chains.
Its great that he can make plays on occasion. But the repetitive 3&outs on drive after drive, in game after game have to stop.
It all boils down to bad quarterbacking. I don’t care whether its the OC or not, the QB bears most of the blame. He has to pick it up or we need to make a change.
If RG3 could be had, I would pull the trigger yesterday.
by Crackback on Dec 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Great write up
I think it all boils down to one thing: it would be terribly irresponsible to cut ties with Sanchez without giving him appropriate coaching. Rex is not an offensive coach. Neither is our OC frankly, he and the QB coach should be sacked.
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by Bro Namath on Dec 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the compliments guys
by the way, Jason La Canfora of NFL network reported a couple days ago that based on what he’s hearing throughout the league Norv Turner could draw interest from the Jets as an OC. So it’s not just a pipe dream of all us fans, it’s an actual possibility.
by darshv3 on Dec 30, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
QB Coach Matt Cavanaugh....
Why haven’t I heard this guys name much on here?
The man directly responsible for grooming our young QB has done F all in this league AND in college as a coach. As an OC for the Bears, Ravens, and Pitt Panthers he led anemic offenses and was responsible for Kyle Boller’s development in Baltimore; that went great didn’t it. When the Ravens won the SB it was in spite of the offense which was one of the worse in the league and went 4 or 5 games without scoring one touchdown.
Oh yeah, he was a career backup QB that barely sniffed the field in the NFL…Maybe this is why the FO has entrusted Matt Cavanaugh with the development of Mark Sanchez?
This guy needs to be packing his bags along with Brian Shittycaller. The FO needs to get better offensive coaching that has had some actual offensive success at some point in the NFL. WTF was the FO thinking on this one???
by GangGreen73 on Dec 30, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would consider...
… C. Pennington as an upgrade over M. Cavenaugh.
The problem with Sanchez is just frustrating inconsistantcy
It makes me wonder how the team would have faired with just an average consistent QB. I don’t have that answer, but I wonder about it alot.
This. At the same point, an average QB doesn't make as many comebacks in the 4th Quarter.
by sp0rtsfan86 on Dec 30, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But maybe he doesn't need to since the game is already going so swimmingly (in that altered reality)
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think because he's so raw
because he lacks the experience, he doesn’t have the mental toughness yet, and the coaches aren’t addressing that. In fact, looking at the 67 pass attempts they tried last week, they’re doing the opposite.
by PowerBar on Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Next year I wanna see the ground and pound again
There is very few times a QB should throw more than 35 times much less 65.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
especially when the run was still working
we don’t necessarily have All-Star backs, but our RBs are highly under-utilized/mismanaged this year.
by PowerBar on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its been a disaster
We might finish with 1600 yards rushing as a team
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
good post .. Just a couple fixes
The giants gave Eli about 7 years, why not give Mark some more time?
Eli was a SB MVP in his 3rd full yr as a starter and posted 10 TDs -2 INTs in his last 5 games against the 3 best teams in the NFC and twice against the “unbeatable” Pats. So to say he had “7 yrs” to prove himself may be a bit of an overstatement.
Also Kevin Gilbride has been with Eli all along .(QB Coach 04-06 and Eli had a pretty good yr in 05.). Him becoming the OC in 07 may or may not of made a difference. But that is debatable.
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2008 was really his first complete year - Over 60% comp, and double TDs to INTs
Granted he obviously started that progression in 2007.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
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Yeah i said that wrong
I meant it took him that long to reach his potential.
Granted he obviously started that progression in 2007.
I’D say!
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Debatable
According to BSPN ? yes.
He did have 4000 yds , career highs in TDs and comp %. He cut his fumbles in 1/2 from the yr before and had 15 fewer sacks which more then likely led to the high INT total . This yr the sacks are up n the INTs are back down.
This yr could be a “regression” as well ,if u didn’t take into account the 5 dropped TDs and 28 drops overall . (2nd :O( most)
IMO Eli gets too little cred n the receivers too much. Sorry for rambling ( Eli sensitive)
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I give credit to Eli not as much the receivers
Eli could use a stud receiver perhaps as much as Sanchez could too
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Eli has a stud receiver
Victor Cruz is the Giants’ all time leader for single season receiving yards. Sanchez actually has one too in Santonio Holmes, but unfortunately he’s always double teamed.
I'm having a hard time believing Holmes is a stud
Great receivers are still open even when double-covered
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think i'd call either of them studs
too small a sample size for Cruz. And not the way Holmes has played after getting that contract with us. In fact, even before the contract he’s had some crucial drops unbefitting of a ‘stud’.
by PowerBar on Dec 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nicks and Cruz are actually taller than I thought they were - 6'1" and 6'0"
I thought they were much shorter
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Cruz has 11 drops
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
Is Cruz pretty much a carbon-copy of Manningham? They both seem to have the same skillset as well as the same concentration issues.
Flippin’ Giants though man. You guys have the 3rd best WR corps in the league no doubt (#1 is the Packers, #2 is the Steelers).
by Exystence on Dec 30, 2011 10:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Giants all round have really surprising depth at many positions
Unlike the Jets. They say we have no middle class, just rich and poor.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Jets are 1 of the more fortunate teams in the league.
Unlike the Giants the Jets havnt needed much depth. Its really incredible… . Its not like we are the Rams who lost 10 Corners this yr. or the Jags with 23 IR’d players,but the Giants get raped every yr it seems with injuries. ..11 IR’d , 6 corners down and Osi out for the most part, with Tuck going at 50% all yr.
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Well we did have a little OLine issue for a while
by CervezaVerde on Dec 30, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I call...
… that more than “a little issue”. N. Mangolds injury showed everyone just how valuable he is.
Cruz likes to look to make a move before he makes the catch.
IMO its a simple adjustment before he can be as good as the real Steve Smith . that would be my comparison to Cruz. . Ham on the other hand is a bit of a tard. I don’t see him being resigned next yr. Too many mind boggling F’ups.
Nicks has had little nagging injuries in his short career (slightly concerning) Reports were he tweaked his hammy in the 1st Q of the Jet game (could be why he looked so bad in the Jet game) and is questionable for the Dallas game. smh!
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I think the general consensus regardless of anyone says is that
the offense needs some serious overhauling, be it personnel or coaching
Sanchez clutch plays
I think this clip lays o rest the notion tha Sanchez can not throw the ball deep with accuracy. The common thread for me is the tension in each situation and separation his receivers achieve when he makes the throws. Also interesting to note the velocity, accuracy and distance Sanchez generates when throwing on the run. That is quite unusual but matches what shows up in the USC clip.
That was a nice trip down memory lane.
Too bad he hasn’t done any of that at all this season.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 30, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
How about the 2 minute drill before halftime at the Dallas game, the come-from-behind victory against Buffalo, the comeback against the Redksins, and an overall solid performance to catch up with the chargers?
I was refering to Sanchez's lack of throwing the deep ball.
Since you mentioned it, I don’t put much stock into come-from-behind victories against crap teams that they should be burying in the first place.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 31, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Those were some nice deep balls
where did they go this season?
It is not that Sanchez can't make the throws
It is the fact he can’t make them twice in a row. Comparing other QBs and the development is like compareing apples to oranges so stop already. Here is the deal, it doesn’t matter who the coach is, when you have an accuracy problem it is very difficult to overcome, take a look at QBs who look really good one week and terrible the next, like Max Hall or Derek Anderson, the only problem Anderson has is accuracy, and whatching him is like watching Sanchez, great throw downfield for 14 yards and a first down and then a pick six the next play, accuracy problems rear their ugly heads too many times for some with them to succeed. Being in 3years and still having trouble reading defenses is another problem, most QBs in the developmental stage either can or can’t read a defense after the 2nd year, that is fact aka David Carr, all the ability but couldn’t read an NFL defense and it hurt him. Mark would be a great back up but this team isn’t going to control its own destiny of getting to the playoffs and then win a SB until they have a QB that can overcome a running game that breaks down. And to those who keep yelling about Schotty designing the offense around Marks strengths…Did you ever think he did and this is what you’re seeing? I want him to succeed and the Jets to win but I don’t see it happening.
This comment...
… basically is against everything stated in this very good post. I repeat “M. Sanchez is not the problem”. He has helped this team “Win” many more games than he has helped them “Lose”. M. Sanchez is young and takes way too much blame. He has the “Record” to prove he is a “Winner”. He is tough physically(durable as hell), He may lack confidence which is something he should elude. I can’t wait to see his progression next season, under the instruction of an O.C./Q.B. coach. I am sure he will restructure his contract bonus(team player) to help the “Baum” in bringing in help to shore up the holes. The Draft will also be nice to us for a change, picking ahead of “teams” that are already inferior. The future looks quite bright to me.
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1) Derek Anderson had more problems than just accuracy.
2) David Carr got destroyed by his offensive line.
3)
And to those who keep yelling about Schotty designing the offense around Marks strengths…Did you ever think he did and this is what you’re seeing?
Have you even been watching the games? Did you start watching the Jets this season? Sanchez excels at the mid to deep passing game. He works well off of playaction and roll outs. Everything we did this year was the opposite of that. Sanchez didn’t even have a check down option his first season and looked decent. Now all he does is check it down. He threw his third interception this game because “the team wanted to avoid sacks at all costs”. Does that sound like the coaches had no part in his regression?
I seriously...
… doubt P.Manning is on the flight pattern. B. Schottenheimer will be on the departure list and that is a big +.
S. Holmes ...
… Quit on the team/game, then was benched. I doubt he gets the “C” on his jersey next season. He should restructure his deal too, to show his teammates he “Cares” about winning more than money. The team did score after he was benched, but the game plan was too stop S. Holmes(an it was executed to perfection).
I remember the difference between Sanchez and Clemmons when they were both here with “Schotty”. M. Sanchez was obviously the better Q.B.; this past month however K. Clemmons has outplayed M. Sanchez. Look at what M. Moore did this year when C.Henne went down. In both cases Clemmons/Moore looked much better this year as they are both a little older, and wiser but have much better O.C./Q.B. coaches to develop them and utilize the Q. B’s strengths. Mark Sanchez can throw it deep, can be accurate and can do it repeatedly. Unless B.S./M.C. are pissing into his earholes on a weekly basis.
Great post
Agree with your points. He needs the entirety of the off-season to put in the work with a new OC, and so let’s not waste much time, hey Mike T?
3...
… stooges. B. Schottenheimer, M. Cavenaugh and anyone who feels they should not be fired tomorrow. I also would like to introduce this idea. We have “Mo” Wilkerson, we have J." Kerley" what would it take to get “Larry” Fitzgerald?
Great video.
The video was good, it proves to some people that he doesn’t have a noodle arm.
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WEEEE!!!! +1
about time someone stops and thinks about what sanchez can do IF GIVEN THE OPPURTUNITY!!!!
AWSOME POST!
Gee, no comparison to Matthew Stafford?
A lot of your points about lack of an offseason, etc. apply to Stafford too. Except the Lions had a tougher schedule, Stafford has played far less games than Sanchez, Stafford is the focus of the entire Detroit offence, Stafford played part of the season with a broken finger, and Stafford had a worse O Line and a nonexistant running game.
And all he did was throw for +5000 yards and 41 TDs. And no one outside of Detroit seems to know about it.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
...your QB is great
happy?
Save the random misdirected outburst and be happy you made the playoffs.
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Thanks, you made my day Bro.
In 2009 and 2010 there were no shortage of Jets fans who went out of their way to compare Sanchez to Stafford. Now? Not so much.
Personally, Sanchez is not the only issue you guys have on offence. I still think he could be a solid NFL starter with the right coaching and game planning.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I'm a believer
Stafford was a starter in one of my fantasy leagues this year.
The vast majority of GGN wants retooled coaching and a few improvements before we give up on Sanchez, although he has less supporters by the day, and who could blame him.
I’ve been a member since 2009. Most of the rational Jets fans I saw make comparisons of the two (and admittedly, there were a great many) talked about Sanchez’s accuracy issues versus Stafford perceived heath issues.
Stafford’s issue is clearly resolved while Sanchez’s is not. I think there’s something to be said about the performance of reserve QB’s like Cassel or Flynn under formidable game planning. I think either Mark or Matt will succeed as long as coaching and receiving corps are adequate. And there’s something more to be said for the sheer value of Calvin Johnson. Santonio Holmes isn’t a team player or a real #1 receiver. Plax did alright but meh.
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Rec'd Excellent Post
A good read and spot on accurate. I’m not a Sanchez fan and was totally against drafting him, but he has given me more than enough reason to rethink my initial opposition to him. Is he perfect? No, far from it, but I blame much of this on the lousy QB Coach and OC he’s had and a rookie HC who is clueless about offense. He definitely should be given more time with a quality QB Coach and OC, and a consistent offensive philosophy, not the schizophrenic philosophy the Jets have employed for the last several years.
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– Yefim Novikov
Schotty tried to sabotage Sanchez
I feel like Schotty knew his job was at stake by the end of the season and wanted to prove to everyone that the lack of offensive production was not his fault, so he set Sanchez up to fail. He knew that passing was supposed to be the way to beat the Giants and wanted to rest the weight of the outcome on Mark’s shoulders. He figured Mark would drown doing so (which he did) and it would expose him. Leaving everyone to ‘realize’ what Schotty realizes— that Sanchez hasn’t matured.
From Schotty’s view, he feels like he’s been trying to mask it, but he gets criticism bc he doesn’t call deep ball plays or let Sanchez run more, etc. He figured after he went all out to expose Sanchez that people would say, “well Sanchez sucks so what do you expect the OC to do? Its not the OC’s fault, its the QBs.”
But that backfired in his face.
If this conspiracy theroy is true, its just another reason to can him. He should of realized passing for 60+ plays would be seen as idiotic, and quite frankly makes him look selfish. There has to be some friction between Sanchez and Schotty over that game.
And how much more could Schotty possible shrink the field Sanchez had to work with?
I’m not sure if Sanchez is just being a good soldier and really believes in Schotty, if he feels handcuffed to Schotty’s gameplan/playcalling, or if he just doesn’t know WHAT to do. But I’ve seen in interviews a growing exasperation on the part of Sanchez, and Manish Mehta also noticed that Sanchez seemed less quick to defend Schotty in his last Michael Kay Show spot. People get frustrated that Mark falls back on the “We have to do better. I have to do better.” line, but what else can he say in that situation and not come off looking like a malcontent?
Maybe the interviews are a sign that Sanchez is seeing the light. Perhaps Schotty didn’t PURPOSELY set him up to fail, but he DID set him up to fail. Why do you have DL’s intercepting passes? Because Sanchez’s field regressed from 20 passing yards, to passing inside the sticks, to screen passes, to 1-2 yard checkdowns.
Sorry, Sanchito. We feel for you. Maybe next year?
Besides having stats in the bottom 1/4 out of all NFL starters
Sanchez is our guy. Let’s resign to another huge deal
I completely agree
he’s bottom tier.
Arm chair GM. Mod/contributing writer at SBN Jets blog GGN.
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Let's be realistic
Gabbert and Sanchez are in two completely different situations. Jaguars had massive injuries on all fronts(I mean, massive dear god, almost as bad as the Colts and Rams this year), they had a terrible headcoach and fired him midway through the season, and he has a truely terrible offensive line, with no WRs, and MJD being his only offense. Yes, a good defense and a good running game, but that is all he has, Sanchez has a lot more.
Sanchez on the other hand, has a good OL, good WRs, depth at RB, and a TE who is also inconsistent but still good. A great ST unit which consistently gives him good field position, and a great D that forces turnovers and has the best CB in the league. Not to mention, it’s a terrible comparison. Gabbert is just a whole different kind of horrible, Sanchez is bad, Gabbert is truly terrible.
Counterpoint to the lockout point, Matthew Stafford. Drafted same year as Sanchez, just a few spots ahead, had a breakout year. Would’ve been a lot better if he didn’t break a finger or whatever, but he showed it can be done with little time. Josh Freeman had many other issues besides just him playing. They shut down his only WR Mike Williams, and he had no one to throw to all year. They might have the worst WR pool in the NFL. Not to mention they completely neglected offense in the draft(which actually is a good idea, but you hurt your QB).
Come on now, QB wins? Really? That stat is the worst, most unreliable stat ever. That stat, tells you nothing about the game. Sanchez throws 4 picks, but wins, he gets a win for that (Not saying that happen, an example if you will)? It tells you nothing, it gives QBs all the credit for the limitless factors in an NFL Football Game. Let’s start off with a few of those factors that QBs get credit for. Weather, how every other player played in the game, head coaches decisions and time management(good or bad) injuries, and ect. QBs partly control the Offense, and it’s rediculous to give them credit for the whole game. Are they the most important position? Yes, but they deserve a fraction of the praise for a win.
If you think QB wins are a stat, I don’t have any respect for you as an intellectual fan. Prove me wrong if you still think they are. They aren’t, and it’s the only thing Sanchez has going for him.
Lets just be realistic, who are these “winners” that have been showing up recently. Let’s see, Sanchez, Flacco, and Tom Brady early in his carrer. What do they all have in common, turns out, a great D. Brady was an average QB at best when he won all 3 superbowls, Flacco is a below average QB riding the coattails of Ray Lewis, and Sanchez is no better than any of them. I promise you, you put him on a team with a bad D, like the Patriots, his true colors would really show. If he didn’t have all those things, he’s screwed. Let’s be honest here, he’s a bad QB riding the coattails of a great D and a running game. Prove me wrong, I welcome the challenge.
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"Interesting. Sex works even better than chocolate to modify behavior... wonder if anyone else has stumbled onto that." - Sheldon Big Bang Theory
Great post man.
Rec’d. I still liked Sanchez, but this is a logic to make me like him better.
I don't care what people say about me and i will keep doing what i enjoy.
What logic really
The only thing he has going for him is QB wins, and that’s about as usefull for judging a QB as what they had for breakfast. His stats put him in the bottom 20, he’s below average at best.
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