History Repeating Itself for Brian Schottenheimer
There is an old saying, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." In some ways the present Jets struggle down the stretch resembles the one the team suffered in 2008. The offense is laboring to generate anything positive.
Back in 2008, the most explosive player the Jets had was Leon Washington. Weeks 15 and 16 of that year, Washington had a combined 5 offensive touches. With a struggling offense, that was inexplicable. Washington was the most likely candidate on the team to generate a big play. The Jets wised up against Miami Week 17 and got him the ball 16 times, which he turned into 89 yards from scrimmage.
This year the Jets are similarly struggling to move the ball. Once again, a running back of theirs is showing himself to be a homerun threat on kick returns. This time it is Joe McKnight. Once again, the Jets refuse to incorporate him into the offense. McKnight has seen a combined 12 plays in his last three games. He is nursing an injury, but the Jets have kept him active the last two weeks. He must be pretty healthy. Many of those plays came in garbage time against the Eagles. Why would the team stick McKnight out there for meaningless snaps if he was in danger of sustaining a more serious injury?
McKnight creates matchup problems for a defense. On one of his plays Saturday, the Jets were able to isolate him on a linebacker on a vertical route. McKnight got wide open, but Mark Sanchez missed him. The Jets never tried to exploit McKnight again.
Joe has shown he is dangerous with the ball in his hands and could be the big play threat this offense lacks. When split wide, he is a headache. The Jets could see they have a matchup edge but never tried to create the mismatch again. McKnight was buried on the bench. How does that happen?
If you split him wide, he gets a favorable matchup with a linebacker. The defense can't sub in an extra defensive back because it creates a blocking mismatch if McKnight lines up in the backfield and runs it. Joe could also be dangerous in space on screens and on outside runs. The way the Jets were blocking up front, he would have had holes and the potential to break a big one.
Instead with a struggling offense, the Jets once again are taking their biggest homerun hitter away. This is an indictment of the offensive coordinator. What is an even bigger indictment is how he has made this mistake in the past and apparently not learned from it.
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Nah man.
Schotty just needs a better QB and everything will click
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Dec 27, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions
schotty sucks
just fire him already…should of done it years ago.
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 27, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I really hope someone in the Jets FO understands this.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
by bm01bath on Dec 27, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The front office guys are definitely on the stupid side
Schotty is smart but it’s like he’s Rain Man smart.
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That's an insult to Rain Man.
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They DID get McKnight open on a favorable matchup, and he got open on Michael Boley. WIDE open. Mark just missed him.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
And then treated it like it was HOW'S fault
It’s literally unbelievable. He must have gotten injured on that play till his next kick return because there is just no explanation for how you don’t try to give him another shot on offense. Maybe it was the only play they practiced for him all week, in which case that’s STILL dumb. I just, aasrrsaetfghfbkojgsrhvhjk
by Exystence on Dec 27, 2011 3:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I’m getting at. They got that matchup and then never tried to go back to it.
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IT'S funny they found a way to use mcknight as a major mismatch on offense...
and they never go back to something like that again for the rest of the game, but when the first fake hand off endaround gained 3 yds. you can bet he went back to that brilliant, awesome, amazing, playcall. He has no problem going back to these gimmicky, trick plays, multiple times a game, but if there is a clear mis-match, there’s no picking on that.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 27, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Therein likes the frustration.
It’s like a double whammy:
1. Schotty’s offense doesnt create or take advantage of a lot of mismatches. There are only going to be a handful of times (less under Schotty) that you get the right matchup and make the right playcall.
2. When the guy pulling the trigger can’t identify or get the ball to the mismatch it’s time to start looking long and hard if you have the right guy.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 27, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i blame Rex more then Schotty in this instance
I believe Rex coaches scared. The one thing he forbids the offense to do is put his defense on a short field. I believe Rex and maybe Schotty, believe McKnight is turnover prone. This also might explain all the short but not always safe throws Sanchez does. Am I giving Schotty an out F@#$ no. I’m just saying if Rex had said play McKnight more to Schotty, we would be seeing more McKnight.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I blame Rex for not firing Shotty/ refusing to admit there's trouble in paradise all these years.
Where’s the accountability? That’s where it falls on Rex and I honestly believe, if he doesn’t take the necessary actions, it will be the thing that sinks him.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 27, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
B.Shottenheimer...
… Is the most glaring problem with the franchise, Rex Ryan’s promises of bringing “championships” will never come to fruition with an O.C. that holds the entire team down. We know it, the players know it and I am sure R.R knows it. It is time to hold M.T. accountable, so R.R./M.S. do not get run out of town before they can deliver the “championships” we have all been waiting for.
The scary part is
I totally see BS back next year unless he is offered a HC job. Personally I don’t understand how his name could even be raised for HC. I just don’t see the Jets firing him.
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That scares me an awful lot too.
And honestly, who am I kidding? I’m still going to watch, even though I keep saying, I can’t watch another season of Schottenheimers “offense”, i’m still going to. Even when that idiot is back on the sidelines next year, ruining another season full of promises, boasts and braggadacio, I’ll still watch the ship sink. It’s like watching a really bad car accident, it can be horrible and gruesome, but you just can’t look away. I’m just not going to invest much into it, emotionally, if he’s back again.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
The Eagles...
… need an O.C. (desperately); and would be a good team to offer O.C. B. Schottenheimer to for an upgrade in the draft. The F.O. should see what they can get for our coveted O.C.; as it may be the perfect system for him to thrive in? I get the feeling somehow that they may not have any interest whatsoever, if indeed that is the case. Why should he be our choice at O.C.?
by keith.beckett2 on Dec 27, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's coming back also.
It’s sad because that will probably be Mark’s last year in New York
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not just Schotty
Bring in a new head coach get rid of the entire staff. How can they have no legitimate back up at QB. Bring in a legit QB that can supplant Sanchez. I stated once before; if the Jets had Jerry Rice in his prime, he would only get 3 receptions a game. Sanchez at best is a good short term back up. You have two undersized, slow safeties. No wonder tight ends eat up the Jets. Leonard is fine if you pair him up with a fast good-sized safety.
I am not sure about Tanny.
Woody’s big mistake; not having a stadium with a roof. Who wants to freeze their ass of and watch Sanchez throw a 2-yard pass on 3rd and 8. Woody, Tanny, and Rex talked about the advantage they would have over a warm weather team in the cold months. Bull excretion. If you watched last night’s game in New Orleans, you can see the advantage they have with the noise level in their dome. I’ll take that any time over cold and windy.
I can go on, but I will not.
I wish the west side stadium was never cock blocked by cablevision.
We not only would’ve had a dome, but would’ve actually had our own stadium… in New York City none the less! What bothers me is, after the failed attempt at the west side stadium, they just ran right back to the old set-up with a shared stadium. All the fans pay top dollar and the owners get to split the cost! It’s the only professional stadium, in the entire N.F.L. that sells tickets to 18 home games a season.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 27, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sack the coaching staff?
What are you smoking? Seriously?
No one’s perfect and our OC is ridiculous but Rex Ryan has brought a lot to the table. Of course, you were calling for Cowher in previous threads. What a joke. 14 years for him to get to a Superbowl and you think he’s an upgrade? Get real.
Rex Ryan has as many playoff wins in two seasons as Cowher had in his first five and that guy inherited THE STEELERS—you know, the team that’s won more Superbowls than any other. Ryan got The Jets. He also did it with a baby QB and a complete and utter tool running the offense.
I know Rex ain’t perfect, but come on. Let’s give some credit where credit is due.
by cult hero on Dec 27, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Talking about Schitty....
is the most nauseating and painful thing as a Jet fan. Having to see the type of “offense” he has rolled out there all of these years ages a person to what feels like 30+ years! Imagine if we had that type of offensive system put in place by Sean Peyton for Brees in NO? Seeing him hit strike after strike after strike for huge yards to all of his receivers, and then see what WE have to deal with….Sickening.
The Jets could never implement a system like the Saints because the Jets don't play in a dome
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
Look at teams in their division
Falcons-Dome
Bucs-Tampa (warm weather)
North Carolina: Bad defense and a somewhat warmer climate
For the most part the Saints play in very favorable conditions during the season. When the weather is rough like it was in Tennessee a couple of weeks ago, they aren’t nearly as explosive.
I just think it would be difficult to implement that type of offense playing in NJ, MA and Buffalo, NY
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The best...
… Q.B. on the planet “A. Rodgers” would fail in “Schotty’s” offense.
I disagree, Farve before his injury was doing rather well, and he had no name recievers.
But then again he was probably calling the plays on his own there too.
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That's what Farve said
Was there really an injury, or was Farve just making an excuse for his poor play. I believe the latter.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 27, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OC
The Jets need an OC that understands Sanchez. You have to look at him in college. He does best in the PA/ roll out plays. He bombs it deep when he does that. If someone understands get the run game going and Sanchez will tear it up.
by Gerber on Dec 27, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
people have a short memory
they forgot the mid passes and bombs that Sanchez threw last year to Braylon that were on the money. They can only remember the past 15 games where we didn’t even bother to threaten to throw it deep.
And that man...
… is Bill Callahan. He will fully utilize the skills of each and every player on the offensive roster. He has done it before as an O.C. in the NFL. His NFL offenses have both led the league in Rushing once and Passing once(in two years). He is a major upgrade over Schotty, and also has done his job well as O-Line Coach. This year again 2 of the three Jets making the Pro-Bowl come from his O-Line. He has worked wonders with OG M. Slauson, and his familiarity with the players on the roster make him the best candidate for the job.
well my question is this what happened with Hunter?
If He was good with Slauson then He forgot about Hunter and it shows on the field….
But back to Coaching,all decision come from REX!!!.He sits down with His other Coach;s and they work out a gameplan to use on there next game..If He doesnt do this then He is the only Head Coach that doesnt do it then….REX also has the Power to make changes to calls being made during a Game, so that means with the lop-sided ratio we Used against the Giants REX didnt seem to make any major decision to change there tactics…so too me all the Coaching staff didnt see reasons to get away from what they were calling…
But heard/read somewhere that REX doesnt have full control, meaning FO controls who is hired and fired in concerns with Coaching staff..there are very Few Coach;s in the league that have FULL Power to hire and fire people!!!!..Now our “Rivals” to the North, there Coach controls ALL!!!!!..
so I think REX;s hands are tied into what Changes he can do or make,and I dont see FO changeing that aspect either and that will always hurt-hinder a head Coach and His team..
But we keep hearing the Players are behind Shotty, so real question is are they? or just saying it, I mean if thats the case there just as much to fault from Keeping FO from making a change..I mean if FO hears or reads there “players” back Him then why fire Him?
But FO did fail in Giving us a decent-reliable back-up QB….I am sorry but I dodnt see Brunell as being a reliable Backup.that just my opinion..
Schotty better
establish an effective running game against the Phins or it will be a long day for Sanchez trying to pick himself up from the ground. The Phins have one of the best defenses against the run. If the Jets can not move the ball on the ground, they will put constant pressure on Sanchez every time he goes back to throw. If the Jets have any hope of playing in the post season, they have to play a perfect game against the Phins. Beating the Jets will be the highlight of their season. Jets need to start fast. They can not afford to play a close safe game and let the Phins win by an untimely turnover. This should be an all or nothing game with disguised schemes and stunts to force Miami turnovers. Win the turnover battle and win the game.

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