How Proactive Will the Jets Be This Offseason?
Cimini notes changes the Jets have made in the past after disappointing seasons and wonders what is in store following this year's disappointing campaign.
When they failed to make the playoffs in 2008, Johnson fired Eric Mangini.
When they missed in 2007, he traded for Brett Favre.
When they bombed in 2005, he fired/traded Herm Edwards to the Kansas City Chiefs.
When they didn't make it in 2003, Johnson waited a year before signing off on Edwards' decision to make offensive coordinator Paul Hackett the scapegoat.
I think Cimini is on the right track here, but his conclusion is a bit off. He seems to hint that the Jets made one person the fall guy. In honesty, everybody who got the ax deserved it, but the team was very aggressive in identifying problems and trying to fix them.
After 2003 they didn't just sit on their hands. They addressed a struggling defense by replacing defensive coordinator Ted Cotrell with Donnie Henderson. They let longtime linebackers Marvin Jones and Mo Lewis go and drafted Jonathan Vilma. They also tried to upgrade the secondary by signing David Barrett and Reggie Tongue.
After 2005 they showed Herman Edwards the door, but they also reassigned general manager Terry Bradway, who had gotten the team into bad salary cap shape, promoting Mike Tannenbaum. They also said goodbye to aging offensive linemen. That was the year of the Ferguson/Mangold Draft that helped to rebuild what had been one of the weak spots of the team.
After 2007 they didn't just trade for Favre. They upgraded the overall talent on the roster by signing Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Calvin Pace, and Tony Richardson.
After 2008 they didn't just fire Mangini. They also upgraded a middle of the pack defense by getting Jim Leonhard, Bart Scott, and Lito Sheppard.
Cimini doesn't dig deep enough. It has not been about finding somebody to pin the blame on. It has been about identifying the problem areas and moving boldly to address them. Not all of these moves have worked out obviously, but the one constant has been the team's willingness to move and not let problems linger.
Outside of the 2009-10 offseason, success has not been very good to the team. The Jets under Johnson have tended to just ignore problems after successful years. Lewis and Jones didn't get old overnight. The 2006 team made the Playoffs because of an easy schedule and smoke and mirrors. They had plenty of cap space to add an influx of talent but settled for Thomas Jones, scrap heap pickups like Andre Wadsworth, and an admittedly strong Draft class.
This whole thing gives me heart. The team might not be proactive in success, but it reacts quickly to failure. The Jets might fail to address their issues, but they are likely to at least try unlike other teams that let fundamental problems linger for unsuccessful years. I take heart just in the fact the franchise is having serious conversations about Mark Sanchez. I think it is clear that coaching is an enormous problem. Things will not get better without a new offensive coordinator. At the same time, I do not see how anybody who has watched Sanchez consistently miss the throws and reads he has missed this season can be confident that simply a new coordinator will fix the problems. Mark will probably be back in 2012, but I am happy to see that the team is not going to wait forever to ask the tough questions.
As frustrating as this year has been and as many problems as this team has, it really is only one good offseason away from being in good shape again.
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Completely agree.
Jets aren’t a BAD team. They are mediocre. Middle of the pack. And this year, short of playoff team.
Lets take the offseason, re-tool, change our O-coordinator, and get ready for 2012.
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Good stuff
I think improved QB play would breathe new life into the whole team, both offense and defense.
A new OC is an absolute necessity. But I agree that we have to start looking at the possibility of changing the QB too. While Sanchez has shown some flashes here and there, he still hasn’t really imposed his will in a game.
Steve Young made an interesting comment on ESPN Radio yesterday. He said that he has a theory that defensive-minded head coaches never have good offenses. They just don’t have the mindset to create the environment for one to flourish.
I think Rex needs take a page out of Sean Payton’s book and go out there and find a new coordinator and turn the offense over to him. You can tell Rex’s input has been with that defensive mindset that Young was talking about. When ever he gets in Sanchez’s ear, its about protecting the ball (and his defense). Its never about attacking the opponent and exploiting weaknesses.
Rex needs to find a guy that will attack on offense. A guy that will have the same basic principles on offense that he has on defense. And if the QB is missing throws and leaving yards and points out there, then he has to go.
by Crackback on Dec 27, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I have said this before on other posts.
Any really good offensive coordinator may not want to take on the Sancheese and all his technical flaws and lack of innate pocket skills. He was Schotty’s choice, and we all know how this has worked out. That’s why that rumor floating around over the weekend may have more substance than people think. If they’ve already reached out to some potential candidates, or have just gotten some feedback from other people around the league in the “old boy network”, and been told this or been asked what their plans are at the QB position for the future,
Next year is the make or break year for Sanchez, as he will be going into the last year of his rookie deal in 2013, so if he wants a new deal before the old one expires he needs massive improvements in all aspects of his game. Doing that in a new system may be more than he can handle, and the results will reflect badly on all concerned, including the new OC.
by Traveling Man on Dec 27, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
May or may not be true
I actually think that the process of selecting a new OC would give the FO a lot of input into what they have with Sanchez. If they interview 4 top OCs and they all say that Sanchez doesn’t have what it takes…well, that obviously tells you something. But if you can bring in a guy who sees Sanchez’ potential and is willing to put his own reputation on the line by sticking with Sanchez, I would hope the Jets would go in that direction.
My take is that no quality OC is going to want to come to Jets unless they think that they can get more out of the offense than Schotty has. That means either that (a) he believes that Sanchez can improve or (b) the FO has a clear path to improving at QB through draft, trade or FA. I have a hard time seeing choice (b) pan out in the short term.
Think if anyone interviewing for the Jet OC said that Sanchez doesn't have what it takes would
result in him being shown the door.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 27, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
And I always thought that was odd.
It seems to me that if you have a killer defense, you should play a high risk/high reward offense. Think about the Packers game last year. While we were shut out, even when giving Aaron Rodgers fantastic field position multiple times, they ended up with three field goals. Two of those they made while basically starting the drive in range.
The problem with the “ground and pound + strong defense” team is that it only takes a bit of bad luck and you’re screwed. One muffed punt can often be the end because you’re simply not geared for a serious comeback. Basically, three scores and the game is over.
Ground and Pound with a strong defense
worked for Bill Cowher and the Steelers…The key is to stick with that plan until your QB is able to take things to another level.
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Rex
has to show that he is a different coach than his father was. The same way Buddy was obsessed with his defense and didnt give a damn about offense Rex has shown himself to be similar. You cannot have a great offense when you are constantly warning the QB about making mistakes.
Steve Young has a great point about defensive minded coaches and their inability to put great offenses together. There are very few Bellichicks and Parcells out there who strive to be the best on both sides of the ball. I think it is crucial that we hire a top notch guy like Clements or Turner and let them in essence be the “head coach” of offense. This would also allow Rex the opportunity to call the defense which would be better if we were more aggressive like we were when he called the defense.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 27, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
When the Pats defense was great, their offense was not as explosive as it is now. Contrary to popular belief neither Parcells or Bellichick are good offensive minds. They are good at evaluating talent and picking the right coaches to develop that talent. Those are 2 areas Rex needs to improve on if he wants to remain a HC.
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well stated… I think we need to hire a TRUE offensive head coach to take over the offensive coordinator role. I also think we need to have Rex start calling the defensive plays again… and if Rob Ryan is fired, maybe hire him in as a defensive coach… possibly Linebackers as our LB play has been lacking. (We can’t cover a tight-end that is above average or get an outside pass-rush).
Yound confuses correlation with causation
It is true that teams with elite, defensive-minded coaches often have average to sub-standard offenses. But I don’t think that one causes the other. It’s just that the NFL is highly competitive. It is hard enough to put together an elite offense or an elite defense. Putting both together is extremely difficult.
That doesn’t mean that the problem is a non-conducive environment. It just means that, on average, teams that excel on one side of the ball are likely to be mediocre on the other side.
Mike T decides who is on the coaching staff which is not fair to the head coach
so Rex has no say about an Offensive Coordinator since it was Mike T who did not let Schotthead go to Cleveland when Mangini wanted Schotthead, Mangini was also forced to play Favre for example
by MetalVagabond on Dec 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
What does everyone think of this option?
Trading our #1 to Miami for Jake Long. He is going into the last year of his deal, and just had the torn biceps which shut him down for the year. Even with 2 #1’s Miami is going nowhere fast – new coaches, new philosophies, etc. – and this would upgrade our O-line better than anything else we could get in the draft. We could move Brick to RT, have Turner back as a backup, shitcan Hunter and try to add some other depth in the late rounds of the draft or through FA.
We don’t need Jake Long. You don’t waste a #1 pick on a position you’re already solid at.
Actually, let me rephrase that. You don’t trade a #1 pick for anything short of a guaranteed gamebreaker. Tell me Drew Brees, Ndamukong Suh or Calvin Johnson is available and we can talk about our #1.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 27, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
You think we are solid at tackle?
What games were you watching this year?
by Traveling Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
We are solid at LT, and DBrick is a natural LT. He’s not going to move for Jake Long.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 27, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Miami is not going to trade Jake Long to the Jets.
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I don't think they would either, under normal circumstances.
But they are probably going to lose hm after next year unless they franchise him, since I don;t think he would want to continue playing for a rebuilding team. And he would certainly command big buck as a FA.
by Traveling Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Why would paying the best tackle in the league market value be less attractive than giving him to a division rival?
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Because they need so much and certainly a QB.
Tackles don’t put fannies in the seats. They need to make a splash, One scenario might have them packaging our #1 with their #1 to move up and take RG III.
I admit it’s highly unlikely to happen, but I would think Miami would be shopping everyone of value on their team – and it’s a very short list – to try to either move up or get more picks to give the new reqime the tools it needs to add more talent to the roster.
by Traveling Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Even if that is true, I still don’t see why they would trade him to the Jets. If they ever put Jake Long on the block, they’d have a line a mile long trying to get him. They aren’t going to send him to a division rival.
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I agree. I was just putting it out there. I was just speculating.
Whoever thought Minnesota would trade its whole draft for Herschel Walker, Sometimes front offices do really stupid things. Just look back at some of the bonehead moves we’ve made over the years.
by Traveling Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
good post
come to think of it the jets were awful quiet this offseason aside from resigning a couple of their bigger name free agents and replacing some guys on the depth chart with rookies and backups. The closest thing they made to a splash was bringing in plax and mason. it’ll be interesting to see what they do this year.
This team has the talent to match up with and beat ANYBODY in the league
The problem is inconsistency, especially on offense. That falls on coaching. I hope that’s what Woody Johnson sees.
by Exystence on Dec 27, 2011 11:06 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I'm 99.9% sure the FO will give Schotty and Sanchez 1 more year together to make it to the SB.
Sanchez was Schotty’s call and they’ll live or die together, which explains just the 1 year extension for Schotty. I guess the FO agreed that 4 years should be enough time to develop Sanchez and the offense. BTB AFCCGs gave Schotty a stay of execution. The bright side to that happening is that they’ll probably give them more tools to be successful (Upgrades and depth on the OL, younger/faster at the WR).
This season Rex and Tanny gambled that they had enough pieces on offense to move the ball the way they wanted too and that they just need to be better scoring in the RZ. Hence the Tom Moore hire. They locked in Tone, got late-round depth on offense and lucked out with Plax. They weren’t counting on Mangold and Moore to be banged up and they overestimated the ability of Hunter to step-up and be a starter.
As much as I would like to see both Schotty and Sanchez gone, I think I’m going to be rooting for them to prove me wrong next season.
If we do keep Schottenheimer
it says a lot about ownership and our front office. If they cant see that after 6 years of mostly terrible offense that this guy is incapable of putting a good offense together this organization is in big trouble.
Give Sanchez a season under Clements or Norv Turner and you will all see that we have a winner. Schottenheimer has failed with Chad, favre, and now Sanchez. He also failed to get the best out of Brees who only became a superstar when he went to NO and played under a great offensive mind in Payton. There can be no denying the fact that Schottenheimer has failed miserably and needs to be replaced.
It is also of the utmost importance that we hire a stud coordinator like Clements or Turner and not just some retread stiff from a bad offense like Baltimore where Ryan has ties. Lets hire the best and get something out of our QB who does have tremendous ability.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Clements would probably take the PSU HC job over the NYJ OC job.
My #1 pick would be Norv, but he may not want to come to the NYJ and deal with all the media. He hates the media in San Diego and would absolutely hate dealing with it in NYC. If and when Schotty is gone, they’ll probably promote within and make Callahan the OC.
I disagree with your assessment of Sanchez having tremendous ability. He is terrible at reading coverages. How many times have you seen him throw into double and triple teams. Don’t even get me started into all the pick-6’s he’s thrown. He has no touch. How many times have you seen him blow a check-down throw or blow a deep-ball thrown. If he throws a nice ball, it’s the exception rather than the norm.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 27, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think the final call on Schotty will be made by Woody and Tannenbaum.
If you recall when Rex was hired, Schotty was also a candidate for the HC and was passed over. Rex was made to talk with him and try to convince him to stay for exactly the reasons pointed out above, that Rex was a defensive coach and Schotty provided continuity on the offensive side of the ball. That would allow Rex to fix the defense, and was also the reason they wanted Favre back. So now Rex can stand there and say he supports the hell out of Schotty, all the while knowing it won’t be his call – it will be the guys who made him keep the guy in the first place. Give Rex credit for being smarter than he appears in his press conferences – the real question is who will make the call on the next OC?
No Callahan
I am sorry but it is inexcusable to hire from within to fix the mess that is our offense. Callahan hasnt even done a good job with the o line this year. Its about time we hired ourselves a top of the line offensive coordinator. That means getting someone like Clements or Turner. If not one of those two find a good young coach from a team like New Orleans.
This offense has pretty much sucked since 1998. No more retread stiffs for the OC position.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 27, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I want Schotty out
but the reality is that he isn’t terrible. He’s just mediocre to below average. If you are happy going 9-7 or 8-8, then he’s just fine. But if you want to win the SB, you need the best.
I have two big complaints about Schotty. First, his offensive isn’t unpredictable. It is predictible and boring with a bunch of gimmicks thrown in to create the illusion of unpredictability.
Second, Schotty appears to not plan around his players’ strengths and weaknesses? Can anyone imagine Schotty coaching in Denver and overhauling the offense to suit what Tebow does well? Me neither.
My inclination would be to go for a proven commodity like Turner. And despite my concern that Turner not to coach under Rex after Rex’s comments, he actually might like (a) Rex taking the media spotlight away and (b) a defensive-minded HC who will let him do his own thing.
but the reality is that he isn’t terrible. He’s just mediocre to below average. If you are happy going 9-7 or 8-8, then he’s just fine. But if you want to win the SB, you need the best.
Given the statistics that people have brought up in other posts, i wouldn’t be surprised if we were 1-15 if not for our good defense and special teams.
Jets need
to put together an offensive line that can protect a QB long enough to have an effective passing game that can move the chains and contol the clock with third down completions. The NFL is becoming a pass first then run league. The Jets need to have a successful passing strategy to become an elite team. The Packer, Saints, and Pats have offenses that are based on the passing game. They can score quickly through the air and overcome lapse in their defenses. All three will be in the post season because of their high powered passing offenses. The Jets need to change their offensive thinking. Ground and pound works to control the clock and tempo of the game. If turnovers happen and the Jets fall behind, they will need a good passing offense to score quickly and win the game. Ground and pound works only if there are no turnovers. A great passing offense is the now NFL. Jets need to get NOW in their offensive future.

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