Fixing the Jets
With one week left in the season, the Jets playoff chances look very slim. Whether or not they make the playoffs, it is obvious that there are major changes that they need to make. Here are the following things that the Jets need to change:
1) Hire a new Offensive Coordinator
It is apparent by now that Brian Schottenheimer is a horrible coach. We have seen him fail to coach QBs time after time. It happened with Chad Pennington, it happened with Brett Favre, it happened with Mark Sanchez, and yes, it even happened with Drew Brees (in San Diego). The year that Drew Brees left the Chargers for the Saints, was the year when he started on his way into being an elite QB. Who do we hire? I'm not sure yet, but there is speculation that Norv Turner may get fired from the Chargers, and I wouldn't mind having him here.
2) Rex needs to call Defensive Plays again
This is something that has been less heard on this site, but it needs to happen. Schottenheimer calls the Offensive plays, and now Pettine calls the Defensive plays. So what exactly does Rex Ryan do? If we want to see a dominant Rex Ryan defense again, much like we had in 2009, and some in 2010, then Rex needs to take control of the Defensive Playcalling again. While this defense has been good this year, it hasn't even touched what the past 2 defenses had done. Yes, some of this may be due to a lack of personel, but Rex Ryan not calling the plays is definitely a big reason in the drop of production from this unit.
3) Woody Johnson needs to bribe a team to hire Eric Mangini, and Schotty next year.
This would be very helpful in both making that team inept offensively, and in allowing us to get rid of our horrible players and get something good in return. Eric Mangini would probably give us two 1st round picks for Wayne Hunter and Eric Smith, which would be great, because they should either not be here at all next year, or should be backups. Wayne Hunter has been absolutely horrible, and has given up the second most sacks by an offensive lineman this year. Eric Smith has also been horrible, single handedly costing us the Broncos game, taking a horrible angle on the Cruz touchdown, and really just not doing his job all year long. Something needs to be done, because neither of them are starting caliber.
4) Keep Mark Sanchez
Here is my nightmare: Much like the Chargers did with Drew Brees, the Jets trade Mark Sanchez to another team, while keeping Brian Schottenheimer, only to see that Mark Sanchez turns out to be a great QB. It's very possible. He's shown flashes of brilliance, and I think with the right coaching, he will develop into a great QB. We need to fire Schotty, and allow Sanchez to spend an offseason and year with a good Offensive Coordinator to see how he progresses. At the end of next year, that is when the Jets should assess his future with the team; not now.
5) Pick up a pass rusher; right tackle; safeties; and a wide receiver
These are our biggest glaring weaknesses this year, and they need to be fixed. This draft has a lot of good pass rushers so it should be easy to find one. This way, next year, Maybin can bulk up and have a good pass rusher opposite of him. We can also draft a right tackle. We could pick up a safety in free agency such as Michael Griffin or LaRon Landry. We should bring Braylon Back, as he and Mark Sanchez had good chemistry, and he served as a good deep threat, plus he can probably be had for cheap.
6) Make a blockbuster trade
One thing different about this past offseason that was different then the others, is that it seems like the Jets didn't do anything to improve. In year's past, the Jets had made big moves, improving their team. However, this past year, they did not do that, and this season is the result of that.
7) Keep Aaron Maybin and work with him this offseason
Aaron Maybin has shown great flashes this year, and Rex Ryan has the ability to develop him into an even better player. He can hopefully bulk up in the offseason, making him even harder to block.
If we make these changes, we should be back on track as a franchise.
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I can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but you’re being too hard on Eric Smith for his failed tackle on Cruz. That wasn’t a poor angle. It was a desperation chasedown of a much faster player that he almost made a nice play on.
Of course, I still think he’s subpar too. But not for that play.
I think it displays the real issue. A guy with average speed at safety probably shoves him out of bounds. You can’t have guys that slow as your last line of defense.
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I definitely agree with that. Either cut or a bench player.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Dec 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
The truth is, however he would have done it (angle, recognition, enough speed), Leonhard makes that play.
by ________key on Dec 26, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
it's not only that play
he couldn’t chase down brent celeck, and brent celeck is a big TE. he just has to go
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So true
That was Cro and Wilson horrible angle …. is anyone stunned that Cro really didnt have his heart in that so called tackle attempt??
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I’m going with all of them + more
1. Move Carrier to assist with DB’s and hire Kris Jenkins as DL coach
2. Fire Sutton and Weeks go hire Sheridan and Cox
those are the 2 biggies in my book. I mean don’t get me wrong, I like Sutton BUT Sheridan is probably the best LBer coach in the game and Cox has made the Phins PR very formidable.
IMO the DL has taken a step backwards Carrier just isn’t cutting it. Hiring Jenkins would be a great move, he already knows the assignments, and could teach Wilk and Ellis his secrets on how to dominate their assignments.
One other after thought if the Bills let Gilbert go the Jets need to pick him back up, then get him to loose 20 – 25 lbs. he would be a freak at OLB with his athleticism.
Eric Smith should stay....
but only in a special teams capacity where he should have been all along. If he never sees a defensive snap again for the Jets it will automatically make the defense better.
Rex needs to take his rose-colored glasses off ASAP and do what’s right for the team. He needs to be able to assess his players in a purely objective manner; blind loyalty is going to sink his HC career if he doesn’t change.
1+ 5 + 7
We need to get a FS and SS ( I miss Kerry Rhodes ) also a RT!!! We should have kept Braylon or Cotchery we don’t have a downfield threat at all
Braylon...
Or draft a deep threat or something.
Cotchery wanted out and Kerley has been a great draft.
all except 6
i feel with the new cba and rookie wage cap draft picks are more important than ever .
but great assessment otherwise
if its for you it won't pass you
I agree with tinley
I don’t want to risk losing draft picks..unless it means trading away eric smith or wayne hunter. We definitely need to be aggresive this offseason through free agency and the draft. Let’s not forget a new OC.
ALL
I cant bear another season with Rex talking superbowl but returning a very mediocre unit.
SAFETY
RT
O.C.
Edge Rusher
These moves, albeit not simple would make us a contender. Sanchez need one more long off-season with his new O.C. and after the 2012 campaign we make the call on him..
Tanny
And lets not give Tanny bye here—-our back up QB’s are the worst in football…and if you are the front office guru with a thin o-line, you better have a better back-up plan then O’Connell and Brunell…Tanny gets a C- for his plan with this team for 2011.
McElroy will be back-up next year and hope he pushes Sanchez to keep starting role.Greg' is a winner and we won't
collectively panic every time Mark takes a hit.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 26, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Woody
I hope he’s going crazy on Rex and Tanny this week….they some new mirrors in Florham park —ones that actually reflect and make you self analyze.
Brees was stella while a Charger ,so not a great analogy.
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He was not steller under Schotty
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
he was just above average a very good game manager with a very good arm
by JETSFAN IN SC on Dec 26, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
disagree..
2004: 104.8 65.5pct 3159 27td 7int
2005: 89.2 64.6pct 3576 24td 15int
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Pretty clear regression from 04 to 05
And he was nowhere near the player he is today.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
do u no the reason for his #s going from elite to slightly below elite?
really? ur gonna kill the guy for going from a 105 Qbr ( Tom Brady like) to a 89 ( which is Romo ,Eli, and Big Ben like)?
Ill tell u what Payton Manning “regressed” from 2000 to 2001 Colts must be kicking them self’s for not letting him walk.
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I do not think Qbr is the best determinant
on whether or not a QB is elite or not.
great ! what is?
According to QBR . these are the 10 best QBs . Not sure I have a big issue with it.
I would rate 1 guy higher (Eli) here or there, because some QBs do more with a lot less. But all n all these are the 10 best QBs in the league.
1.Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3.Tom Brady
4. Tony Romo
5.Matt Schaub
6.Matthew Stafford
7.Ben Roethlisberger
8.Matt Ryan
9.Eli
10. A Smith
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I agree with the top three
The rest is crap
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much the order
but the top 10 as a whole.
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Whats the point of it then?
Anybody can tell you Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the top three this year. But isn’t the whole point of QB rating to, you know, rate QBs? You said it yourself Eli should be higher, so even you must agree with me their. The fact it considers Alex Smith a top ten QB makes the way grades quarterbacks flawed in my opinion.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
agreed but what else is there?
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Does it matter?
Just because there is nothing else doesn’t make it any more accurate.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If its good enough for the NFL then its good enough for me .
There is no rating thats gets any closer to measuring a QB.
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Well don't try to prove a point with it to me
There is no rating thats gets any closer to measuring a QB.
There aren’t very many stats that are completely accurate. It considers Smith a top ten QB, so I consider it a load of crap.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
no it considers Smith's yr a top 10 yr statistically .
and they are correct. He is not a top 10 QB , because he has never done it Pryor to this yr.
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Thank you for proving my point
no it considers Smith’s yr a top 10 yr statistically .
Could you not say the same thing about Breess’s QBR then? If you’re just going off of statistics then yes, Romo is a top five QB, doesn’t mean he is actually a top five QB. Statistically good and actually are much different. QBR doesn’t factor in choking.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
like I said Smith has only did it 1 time , if he keeps doing it then yes he is.
if you’re a frequent flyer then it is fact.
Romo has great #s , does some really great things but not the QB for me , because the Choke factor ..
Much like A-ROD and Bonds were and LeBron James is .
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I'm assuming you think he'll be a top ten QB based off of QBR alone?
Because here’s another amazing stat for you, he is currently in charge of the 29th ranked passing attack. And if you think a top ten QB does that I’m not even going to bother replying to you anymore. Without his defense his team would be looking forward to the draft right now.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
do u see red when u read?
Ive said little of what ur claiming.
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like I said Smith has only did it 1 time , if he keeps doing it then yes he is.
That’s all i needed to see.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I see what poster is saying
Look at the #1 and #3 QB.both there teams def;s are rated #31 and #32 In the league this yr..I dont see there teams looking forward to the draft!.QBR rating are for this yr and this yr ONLY!! the past yrs dont factor in…I mean there is 1 QB left off the list who too me has beaten quite afew of those who made list…Say what u want But Newton should be ranked,basically He is there Offense..Passing TD;s(20) rushing TD;s(14) yards passed total 3800 plus for Rookie Record(took record away from P.Manning).also after 15 games had a QBR of 85
It wasn't so much the qbr i had a problem with
Even though dropping 16 points is definitely regression now matter what level you’re playing at. Are you going to tell me going from Brady to Romo isn’t a problem?
If any QB throws 8 more interceptions from one year to the next it’s going to raise eyebrows. That is clear regression.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
As I stated if your gonna take a all world yr and think its gonna get better your nuts
As stated Payton Manning in 2000 to 2001 regressed . As will Rodgers next yr , as did Vick this yr.
So Payton should have gotten the boot? Brees also went to the probowl both yrs !! I mean this is almost comedic that im even having this discussion.
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Your misunderstanding me
First of all, 2004: 104.8 65.5pct 3159 27td 7int are not all world numbers. Their very good numbers, but not all world. The numbers he has been putting up this year are all world.
I never said Brees should have gotten the boot and I never said he played badly the next year either. Regardless of how much he regressed, he still regressed, and by a significant portion.
You can’t tell me 8 more interceptions from one year to the next isn’t regression. If Eli were do that wouldn’t you raise an eyebrow?
And if anybody were to go from playing like Brady to Romo they have got a problem. Romo may be the fourth best QB this according to you magical QBr but it doesn’t say anything about how he choked more than once this year. Numbers don’t tell the whole story.
The fact you’re using a sat ESPN came up with and the Pro Bowl to bring credibility to your argument is comical to me.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, 2004: 104.8 65.5pct 3159 27td 7int are not all world numbers.
Is "all world " what he and Rodgers is doing now is out of this world. Only the best of the best post a 65.5 comp % and 105 ratings. find me a 105 rating from another QB that wasn’t considered a very goodgreat yr .
If Eli were do that wouldn’t you raise an eyebrow?
It happen last yr. but I and most GIant fans knew the reasoning behind it ,so no such eyebrows were raised on my part.
Love that Romo is a choker! but as much as I hate him ,im not blind to his ability’s (which are exceptional) I see him enough to know that he is a really good QB.
the fact you’re using a sat ESPN came up with
Im not. Im using the NFL rating system thats been in place for the past 30 yrs.
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Is "all world " what he and Rodgers is doing now is out of this world. Only the best of the best post a 65.5 comp % and 105 ratings. find me a 105 rating from another QB that wasn’t considered a very goodgreat yr
I consider great and all world different.
It happen last yr. but I and most GIant fans knew the reasoning behind it ,so no such eyebrows were raised on my part.
Love that Romo is a choker! but as much as I hate him ,im not blind to his ability’s (which are exceptional) I see him enough to know that he is a really good QB.
I’m sure Brees had his reasons too, but no matter how you slice it, 8 more picks is regression. And I know Romo has talent, but that doesn’t mean he’s the fourth best QB.
Im not. Im using the NFL rating system thats been in place for the past 30 yrs.
My mistake, I got it confused with total QBR.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I consider great and all world different.
as do I but u diminished it as being only very good which is less then Great. And its clearly great…… all world and out of this world is boarding on being silly.
I’m sure Brees had his reasons too, but no matter how you slice it, 8 more picks is regression.
I never debated that. Im saying and gave u multiple reasons why its retarded to jump the gun after a QB gos from having a Great season to a having a very good one ..
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as do I but u diminished it as being only very good which is less then Great. And its clearly great…… all world and out of this world is boarding on being silly.
I generally need at least 30 TDs to consider it great, but guess Brees will get a pass because of LT.
I never debated that. Im saying and gave u multiple reasons why its retarded to jump the gun after a QB gos from having a Great season to a having a very good one
I never jumped the gun, all I’ve been saying from the beginning is that Brees regressed, which he did. I never said either of his years were bad, and I never said the Chargers should have moved on from him.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yes,LDT posting 17 TD yrs kinda takes away from a young QBs TD total.
especially when the WRs suck beyond sucking.
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That was year 4
Why don’t you put up Brees’ #s from 2001-2003?
Because he was a rookie and as expected for a 2nd round pick sucked his 1st 2 yrs.
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I don't know how much that matters...
I think with the right players, Schotty could put together a decent offense. However, that’s the difference between a good coach and a bad coach.
Bad coaches need players to fit their schemes.
Good coaches build schemes to fit their players.
On top of that, who isn’t going to look pretty good with Brees, Manning or Brady?
If Brees was so steller, why was Rivers drafted and given the starting job?
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Because SD was cheap and didn't want to pony up$
I just posted the #s up top . U tell me another reason to let a guy with a 105 QBR to leave.
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He had one good year
He had one good year with the Chargers. He sat his rookie year, and he sucked in his 2nd and 3rd years. He had a good 4th year. Then he regressed in his 5th year, in 2005. He was not looking too good. 5 years, 1 good year, and regressing is a good reason to get rid of him. Especially when they had rivers as a backup. Truth is, he started doing better when he left SD.
U My friend are * and make little sense
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What doesn't make sense?
I said under schotty, Brees had one good year; his 4th year. And even then, he regressed in his 5th year. He did not have a very good tenure under the Chargers.
So in your book ..
2005: 89.2QBr. 64.6pct. 3576yds. 24td 15int
Is not good enough for you? Bet the Jets would thank the heavens above if Sanchez achieved them #s
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haha
Sanchez isn’t that far off, in his 3rd year.
2011: 79.0 QBr. 56.2pct 3,267 yds. 24td, 15 int.
Yes, the QBr and completion percentage, are lower. However, Sanchez may end up with close or more yardage, probably more TDs, and hopefully the same amount of interceptions. All with an inept offensive coordinator that makes his job as a QB much harder.
and this is Sanchez’s THIRD year. Sanchez’s third year compares favorably to Brees’ third year.
2011: 79.0 QBr. 56.2pct 3,267 yds. 24td, 15 int.
2003 (Brees): 67.5 QBr. 57.6pct 2,108 yds. 11td, 15 int.
That year, Brees only started in 11 games. Not too good.
Don't get me wrong
I’ll be glad to admit that Sanchez is a sucky QB, but only after I see him play bad with a good coordinator who can call plays and develop him. Now, I think he will be a good QB with the proper coaching, so I’d rather see him do well with us than with someone else. I just feel like we need to fire Schotty before we even think about getting rid of Sanchez.
Brees 3rd yr as a starter had a 105 QBR with a 65.5 %comp.
2nd: Brees in his 2nd & 3rd yrs was on epically bad teams NO weps to throw to and really bad Ds . Sanchez had the exact flip side.. Great Ds and plenty of weps. So if ur gonna play the OC card then be fair enough to consider what Brees went through his first 3 years.
You can cherry pick yrs and compare the 2. Brees got to play in 1 game his rookie yr. unlike Sanchez .
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That doesn't make sense
Wasn’t Rivers given a $90 million dollar contract extension? I’m sure the Chargers are happy with their decision after Brees turned into an elite QB and became a super bowl MVP while Rivers chokes in the few playoff games he’s started.
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Wasn’t Rivers given a $90 million dollar contract extension?
years later.
Brees = clutch
Rivers = not so much
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My point is the Chargers weren't cheap when it came to Rivers
So why were they cheap with Brees? My only guess is because Rivers has better statistics during his tenure in San Diego than Brees.
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OK , lets try it this way.
Rivers was drafted the yr Brees did this( 104.8 65.5pct 3159 27td 7int) and SD was willing to get rid of him after 27 starts!!! My question to u is that more of a indictment of Brees or SD?
Brees was starting on a team with no WR or TE (Gates came a long later) . He had LT but that was it .. And really bad Ds ta’boot.
The comparisons hear are all wrong . SD was a joke organization (see Eli) and were epic in there badness.U dont get rid of a QB after 27 NFL starts compared to Sanchez and his 47 at this point.
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regardless, I remember that time
the Chargers didn’t believe Brees would cut it. Brees wasn’t getting the hype he was getting today. People were calling him too short and that his arm wasn’t strong enough. The organization didn’t like Brees as their franchise QB and were gonna draft Eli, except that Eli refused to play for them so they traded for Rivers.
They weren’t cheap, they didn’t have any faith in him. In fact they benched him for Doug Flutie at one point. His numbers weren’t fantastic up until that year. So I would call him at that point good, small sample size, but not stellar.
They weren’t cheap, they didn’t have any faith in him. In fact they benched him for Doug Flutie at one point. His numbers weren’t fantastic up until that year. So I would call him at that point good, small sample size, but not stellar.
It was a business move and turned out to be a bad one at that. Brees in his 2 nd yr as a starter was benched for Flutie !! Yea wanna know why ? because he was on a 4 win team !! what do u expect? the kid was getting sacked to death.
That team had 1 good player LDT!! and a horrible Defense.
Cheap is as cheap does !! But more then cheap they were just plain STUPID!
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But doesn't the lack of offensive have to do with the offensive coaching staff?
If I’m not mistaken Cam Cameron was the OC in San Diego and Schotty was the QB coach when Brees was there. That is a double whammy of coaching ineptness right there.
Cam is now the OC in Baltimore and Ravens fans hate him just as much as we hate Schotty. In fact he’s another guy who doesn’t like to take advantage of his teams great running game.
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not sure
but I am sure of the lack (and im being kind) targets Brees had before Gates came along .. Also LDT was putting up epic yrs on the ground during CC days as OC .
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but it's telling
that Brees’ QB rating was consistently in the 90’s and up after he moved to a team with Sean Payton.
That usually happens with experience..
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tell that to all the QBs that have failed
the perception of Brees as a QB was still very much in the air when he moved to the Saints.
It’s easy to forget as a Chargers fan because they got Philip Rivers.
You have your story mixed up
Drew Brees was drafted in the 2nd round in 2001.
He was given three seasons to develop into a franchise QB and miserably failed. In mid-2003, he was replaced by an old Doug Flutie because he was very inconsistent and the Chargers were the worst team in the NFL.
Chargers had the first pick. They drafted Eli Manning. I’m sure you know the whole story as Eli never wanted to play in San Diego. He was traded to the Giants for Phillip Rivers.
Rivers was set to be the starting QB in 2004, but he held out for a prolonged amount of time because of contract disagreements. I think Rivers agent wanted 1st pick money since the Chargers technically got him using their first pick. The Chargers disagreed and this lasted most of the summer.
Since Rivers was holding out, the QB during training camp was Brees to the dismay of most Chargers fans. Brees slowly showed improvements in the preseason and eventually became the starter.
In 2004, Brees would end up putting great numbers and leading the Chargers to a division title. They would go on to lose their first playoff game to the New York Jets.
In 2005, Rivers was still backing up Brees who had a decent campaign for the Chargers who barely missed the playoffs. Brees was in a contract year, and in the last game of the season Brees was hit by a defender and suffered a significant shoulder injury.
Since the Chargers had Phillip Rivers who hadn’t started a single game despite being drafted Top 5 and earning a ton of money, the Chargers decided to let Brees go. The decision was even easier considering Brees had suffered an injury and were less than hopeful he would even be the same player the next season.
And thats why Rivers is the starter for the Chargers. Some of this may be slightly off as I’m speaking off pure memory.
by Izzy76 on Dec 26, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was given three seasons to develop into a franchise QB and miserably failed. In mid-2003, he was replaced by an old Doug Flutie because he was very inconsistent and the Chargers were the worst team in the NFL.
Nope, Brees as a rook came in for 3 qts of a game and did pretty well for starter Flutie flakes.
Rivers was set to be the starting QB in 2004,
Nope Brees was the Starter for 04 . he was under contract and SD wanted Rivers to learn from the “vet”.
In 2005, Rivers was still backing up Brees who had a decent campaign for the Chargers who barely missed the playoffs
“decent”?
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Nope, Brees as a rook came in for 3 qts of a game and did pretty well for starter Flutie flakes
uh no…Doug Flutie replaced Brees in 2003 after they went 1-7. That’s a fact.
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Nope Brees was the Starter for 04 . he was under contract and SD wanted Rivers to learn from the "vet".
Wrong again, Izzy was right. Rivers held out for almost the entire training camp so they gave the starting role to Brees.
Not unlike Sanchez, Brees was ostracized and scapegoated by the Chargers fanbase and by most fans really. People had their doubts when he went to the Saints, partially because of that injury.
haha
uh no…Doug Flutie replaced Brees in 2003 after they went 1-7. That’s a fact.
yes and I stated why up top.
Wrong again, Izzy was right. Rivers held out for almost the entire training camp so they gave the starting role to Brees.
Yea I know! But Your Telling me SD just handed the starting job to a rookie? There would have been a camp to decide that.
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Troy I love you and all
but that Izzy guy got it right. Not only that before Brees hurt his shoulder the talk from NFL insiders was that they were going to trade Rivers becasue he was under contract and keep Brees so they would get a kings randsom for trading a top 5 QB pick. Once Brees got hurt that all changed. SD got rid of Brees more for the injury than for the slight drop off in play in 05.
I agree with most all of that . My comments are more of an indictment of the SD franchise as a whole.
.They gave the kid no chance to succeed but Brees did in spite of them.
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You're missing the point
This is not to say whether or not Drew Brees is a good QB. He’s one of the best QBs in the game. However, Schottenheimer hindered his production while he was in SD. THAT IS THE POINT.
Plus,
I will argue that it is better to sit and learn first before starting, unlike what Mark Sanchez had to do: start his rookie season, after starting one season in college. This way they have time to properly learn the game before their thrown into the fire.
Also, yes, the Jets offense has plenty of weapons, however we have an Offensive Coordinator who doesn’t know how to use them…so Drew Brees not having weapons is a moot point. How easy must it be for the defense if us watching the game can predict the plays before their called? Another thing that works against Sanchez is that his weapons have been drastically different every year he’s been here. There has been no continuity, and no time to build a lasting chemistry, which is very important.
Another thing that works against Sanchez is that his weapons have been drastically different every year he’s been here. There has been no continuity, and no time to build a lasting chemistry, which is very important.
lots of QBs deal with that in todays game.
Eli
2007 Plax, Shockey Toomer
2009 Nicks Boss Steve Smith
2011 Nicks Ballard V Cruz
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True,
But your example is different for a couple of reasons:
Eli had Plax, Shockey, and Toomer in his first 3 years of STARTING (4th year in the league).
VS.
Sanchez losing stuckey in favor of edwards in the process of his rookie year.
Sanchez gaining a new primary target in holmes in his 2nd year.
Sanchez losing cotchery, and edwards in favor of Plax and Mason in the beginning of his third year. Then losing Mason in favor of Kerley in the process of his rookie year.
The difference I see here is that there were major changes made either in the offseason or midseason to Sanchez’s weapons in his first three years in the league (the time where a QB is supposed to develop). Theses changes have certainly hurt his development. They should have went for continuity this past off season by at least bringing back Edwards.
Eli, had continuity for his first 3 years starting. His first changes in targets occured in his 4th year starting (5th year in the league), when a QB is supposed to be hitting his prime.
Big difference.
He has had Keller all 3 years
Tomlinson and Holmes for 2 years. Cotchery for 2 years. Braylon for 2 years.
Sure it would be great if he had Andre Johnson for 3 years but… I don’t think its a great excuse.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 26, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's definitely not the only reason
but I think it’s part of it.
Eli had no continuity with anybody the first 3 yrs besides the turf
because of his oline.
Then he had Shockey barking for balls ,Tiki Barking for more carries. Plax screaming for more fades…. and so on. Eli like every other QB had to go through major hurdles to achieve his goals.
Sadly When Eli had his best weapons it wasn’t until the 2 cancers (Tiki and Shockey) left that he was able to come into his own.
players dont stay with teams long these days so this is not uncommon. Tebow in his 2nd yr is dealing with it as will every other QB.
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and that would be false.
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I would add
get a real deep/redzone threat . Plax is shot. And Maybin is gonna get a nice raise in order to keep . I would think.
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Maybin is RFA
We’ll probably just give him a high tender
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
u sure? i didnt realize.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 26, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm split between Change 1 and Change 5 as the most important
I would add that we need to work on run defense.
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Change 5 is most important...
because 5 addresses most glaring needs on both sides of the ball. But I think the biggest area of need is the offensive line. The Jets o line does not run block as well as it has in prior years and the pass protection has been horrendous this year. Sanchez has been sacked 37 times this year (11 more times than last year with a game still to go), and has been hit ferociously too many times to count this year (although the kid can’t buy a roughing the passer call). I think o line is the biggest problem with the anemic offense this year, even more than Schotty (who I agree is terrible) and Sanchez himself (who I think is a solid, if not spectacular, nfl qb if he has a better offensive line).
No Mas
You know, call me crazy...
But maybe the front office signed Schotty to an extention in order to entice Miami and other suitors (but mostly Miami) more. I mean, you always want what you can’t have, and some owner as dumb as Stephen Ross would think “well they signed Brian to an extention, he MUST have the potential to lead a franchise!!!!!!”
that'd be a brilliant move
by the front office, but lets keep it on the down low!
I don't think those guys are that smart
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Stephen Ross isn't THAT stupid
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Dec 26, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
First things first
GET RID OF SCHITTENHIEMER!!!!! If the Jets don’t do it, this whole article will be a moot point. The Jets could have the best talent in the league, yet with Schitty at the helm it would still sputter. This has to be the very very very first thing to fix the Jets
HOW TO FIX THE JETS ON OFFENSE
follow the same plan the texans used to fix their defence . last year the texans were one of the worst d’s in the league but they sorted the problem by
1 getting a new DC
2 playing a new system
3 getting a very good corner via FA
4 drafting a talented pass rusher
if we follow the example of the texans we can change our fortunes too .
get a good OC and play a system that works for us
sign a wr that can stretch the field or a top RB ( forte ) via FA
draft a talented RT .
if its for you it won't pass you
OC
We shouldn’t go after Norv.
I think a better idea would be Todd Haley. Look how Kurt Warner resurrected his career in Az under him. He values the run, and Cassel despite having limited abilities was able to have a Pro Bowl like season unde him.
I don't know much about Todd Haley
but wasn’t KC’s offense pretty stagnant until Charlie Weiss came in last year?
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how to fix the jets
1st- approach Bill Cowher and give him full reign of the team.
That’s it.
Rex is a terrible judge of talent, he is probably blinded by loyalty.
He thinks highly of Sanchez, Eric Smith, Vernon Gholston, Wayne Hunter, Schotty, Holmes, Burress, and the list goes on.
First thing......No to Bill Cowher
Secondly, we don’t know what Rex really thinks of those guys. I think it’s pretty much been established Rex doesn’t have as much hiring and firing power as we thought he did.
Mr. T brought in Plax and Holmes
Mangini drafted Vernon Gholston
I don’t know where the hell Hunter and Smith came from
And Schotty wanted Sanchez
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I think it’s pretty much been established Rex doesn’t have as much hiring and firing power as we thought he did.
Where do you get that information from?
Well he only gets one draft pick a year and its a low pick in the 4/5s
He had Connor, and I think Kerley maybe.
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 27, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Damn Noble you beat me to it
But I’ll add…Do you really think Rex would make the decision to keep Schotty on his own? Rex made it clear he wanted a ground and pound offense and we all know Schotty is too much of a genius for that generic brand of football.
Also, why would Rex want to keep the guy he was in competition with for the HC job in NY? Rex didn’t stick around Baltimore after Harbaugh was picked. It’s very clear Rex is not pulling too many strings when it comes to personnel.
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he's had 2 comments in 9 months were you expecting Shakespeare?
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Also, whats with Greene getting bashed? You cant tell me that he isnt a good back?
Or do we need all pros at every position to satisfy the people on here. Honestly he’s a top 12 back, but I would also suggest getting him a back up like Leon Wash, or even bringing LT back for a year to keep the backup role incase mcknight isnt ready.
who bashed Greene?
I think Greene is a great running back, when given the chance.
he's an average back that needs the line to provide the holes for him
he’s not capable of creating for himself.
Not everyone is AP, DMC, there are a lot of grinders.
Look at CJ for most of the season.
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 27, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I love Shonne Greene
But we still need another RB. Maybe a big guy for short yardage situations, also we need to keep Shonne fresh for the end of the year.
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Connor is ok for short yardage
If anything I would llike to see a speedster if McKnight is not that guy.
by CervezaVerde on Dec 26, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
He's okay but we need him to help open holes
I don’t know much about that Powell guy, maybe he’ll step up next year
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Sanchez..keep em
Just go on youtube and look up Sanchez highlights at USC and you will see why the Jets drafted him. He needs play action to really get his game going. Give him one more year under a new OC and see what happens. I bet you will be surprised.
Trade for Peyton,and fire Shotty
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this shoul dhave all happened in the past off season
we didnt get better this season by any means.
we needed a safety – so we trade away Dwight Lowery
we needed a pass rusher OLB – we draft another defensive tackle (Ellis) when we could have got Justin Houston in the third round.
we cut Woody – then failed to get a true RT
we let Braylon go for a lousy 1 Mil when we had plenty of cap space – then signed Plax who is having a solid first year back, but hasn’t gotten comfortable with Sanchez yet.
Tanny let us down this year and that’s a fact. went with career backups as starters. he better make a huge splash this off-season – and i DO NOT mean trading for Manning cause Sanchez IS the future and its way too soon to give up on him.
is solid as plax may sound
he’s only good when you’re in the red zone. Every other time he’s basically useless.
I remember one article likening him to a 3 point specialist on the team. Well, we don’t need a 3 point specialist if we can’t even get to the 3 point line. We should have kept Braylon to spread the field and signed Plax as a third or fourth option.
true
but you cant argue with 8 Tds coming off of of 2 years not playing. but i was always for signing Braylon back and was iffy about Plax.
and spreading the field is something they wont even let Sanchez do. we all have seen it, they dont let the kid throw more than 10 yard passes.
I think he's talking
about Eric Manigini? maybe idk
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by Noble_Lance on Dec 27, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
The jets are built to stop the run, unfortunately this year has seen passing offenses dominate the league. We better get a cover safety or two fast with the firepower the Pats have at tight end. The pass rush is pathetic and we need a player who can get consistent pressure on the Qb. On the offensive side, First and foremost bring in a new OC, maybe norv turner if he is fired form SD. Definetly build the offensive line and replace hunter and add depth. we can use another tight end and develop a young RB. Rex also needs to stop blowing up the heads of these players. they are buying in to what is becoming bullshit about how great they are. Less talk and more preparation and discipline.
Bad choice ROD
doing this u are basically saying fire all Coach;s for who-ever did come in as New Head Coach would clean house..then u have a QB having to start all over again, a new sys, a New def sys..alot of player we are not acceptable towards would or could be let go or traded..this move would set jets back another 2yrs min!!!.are ur ready to sit back for another 2 yrs? and let say for sake of argument, after 2 yrs really no change then what fire that Head coach and begin again?
stay with what U have and work thru the mistakes-error;s and make some trades and draft better..ya we will get a decent higher pick for lowery but we also have now lost OUT on that pick in Mason trade due to His not playing set# of games!!!

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