Giants 29 Jets 14: Offense Once Again Dooms Jets
by John B on Dec 24, 2011 5:48 PM EST
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PrintThe Jets fell to 8-7 today as they lost to the Giants 29-14 in the Meadowlands. Although the Giants scored 29, the defense actually did a pretty good job. Big Blue only had 11 first downs and 9 completed passes. A field goal, a touchdown, and a safety were all the result of either a turnover or a short field. The defense was far from perfect. There were some huge plays allowed. The real blame goes to a once again anemic offense. Even though the Jets held it for over 36:00, the story of the season remained the same. The offense is one of the worst in the league.
More after the jump.
The Bad:
Mark Sanchez: I said it last week. I will say it again this week. Given the players the Jets lost in the offseason, they needed Sanchez to carry more of the load this year. He has failed to grow as a player. What went wrong in this game? You name it. He was not seeing wide open receivers and going elsewhere with the ball. He was wildly inaccurate other times. He showed zero pocket presence. The offensive line might not have been good, but better awareness could have bought himself some extra time to make some players.
Sanchez is a guy who is perfectly capable when his running game and defense is carrying the load. Draw him a simple, high percentage pass, and he'll hit it. That isn't good enough, though. To win big in the NFL, a team needs to be able to make big plays in the passing game. Why? Look at the penalties the Jets had in the third quarter when running it well. One penalty kills a drive if all you can do is run. One missed tackle that results in a big play like the Victor Cruz touchdown can be a killer if you can't throw and score big. Not every receiver is going to be wide open. There are going to be some slight openings where the ball has to be delivered accurately on time. Sanchez left a ton of those on the field today. His coaching might not be good, but you can only blame coaching so much. We don't give the credit to Brian Schottenheimer when Sanchez makes a play. He shouldn't get all the blame either when he doesn't. I counted no less than five touchdowns he left on the field today either because he didn't see an open receiver or made a bad pass to a guy who was open. Sanchez also has no idea when he has to get the ball out under pressure. Let me say another thing. There can only be so many miscommunications where the receiver runs the wrong route or the running back goes the wrong way on a handoff. These things have been happening all year, and there is only one constant, Sanchez.
Brian Schottenheimer: I would love nothing more for the Jets to have Aaron Rodgers. You would too. So would Brian Schottenheimer. The Jets do not, however. They have Mark Sanchez. As much as Schotty would love to pretend he has Aaron Rodgers, he is foolish if he draws up a game plan as though he did. You have to work with what you are given. The Jets are not built to win with Mark Sanchez throwing 59 times for the reasons I mentioned when I touched on Sanchez. Now add five Giants sacks and three Sanchez scrambles. Schottenheimer called 67 passing plays today. Please note that his run blockers were blowing the Giants off the ball for long stretches during the second half. The biggest indictment was probably the series that began with around 5:00 left and the Jets at midfield down 6. Three passes. I have told you in past years the sad news that the Jets loved Schottenheimer so he would not be fired. If you are looking for a silver lining, I do not see any way they can possibly bring him back now.
D'Brickashaw Ferguson: Jason Pierre-Paul is a great player, but Brick has taken a step back this year. He used to control dominant pass rushers. This year he has not been able to handle them. I am searching for an explanation. Brandon Moore isn't having as good of a year as he had in the past, but at least he has the excuse of Wayne Hunter being next to him instead of Damien Woody.
Nick Mangold: He was responsible for one of Brandon Moore's false starts with a late snap and then botched the exchange with Sanchez on the goal line.
Brandon Moore: The other two penalties were his fault.
Wayne Hunter: Justin Tuck had a big game, but you could have predicted that.
Offensive Line: I know I just singled out the group, but how many passes did Sanchez have batted down? A lot was on those guys allowing Giants linemen to get too deep.
Plaxico Burress: He started hot, but he made a bad play near the end of the half not getting his feet in on a catch, had a false start, and an unnecessary pass interference penalty to wipe out a touchdown when he would have been open without pushing off.
Santonio Holmes: With a quarterback who could find him open, he would have had a monster game, but he also had two big drops to kill drives, one of which should have been ruled a fumble.
Dustin Keller: He actually led the team with a solid 8 catch, 77 yard stat line. He also had two passes bounce off his helmet, one drop, and another he could have come up with but didn't. Keller may have all the physical ability in the world, but he is an underachiever. A guy as good as we all say Dustin can be comes up with all of those balls.
Kyle Wilson: Eli Manning only had 9 completions, but Kyle Wilson missed a tackle on Cruz's 99 yard touchdown grab and got burned by Cruz later.
Antonio Cromartie: He was really good for most of the day, but anybody responsible for a missed tackle on such a big play as Cro was on the Cruz play has to go here. He also made some awful decisions as a kick returner. He just takes off at top speed and never tries to make anybody miss, even an unblocked tackler right in front of him.
Nick Bellore: It's best to be anonymous if you are a blocker on the punt team. I can give him a pass on the call against Jason Pierre-Paul, but the second one a few moments later was brutal.
Mike Westhoff: We all love Westhoff, but special teams have been one meltdown after another the second half of the year. Why does he trust Cromartie more than Joe McKnight?
Brodney Pool: He was actually pretty solid for most of the game, but he got run over on an Amhad Bradshaw touchdown. Bradshaw just wanted it more.
Aaron Maybin: He never got near Eli Manning. He hit a runner five yards out of bounds.
Jamaal Westerman: For the really dumb roughing the passer penalty.
Ellis Lankster: One good play on special teams, two bad ones.
Nick Folk: The Jets would have gone to the locker room feeling much better if the game was tied. That was one heck of an onside punt, though. The Jets almost got it.
The Good:
Darrelle Revis: So yeah, maybe the Giants realize that Revis is the best defensive player on the planet now. Eli Manning only had 9 completions because he incredibly kept challenging Revis. Hakeem Nicks beat him once early. It was over from there. Revis also had the deflection that set up the interception to put the Jets back in it.
Jeremy Kerley: This is what the Jets wanted from him all year. He was downright explosive as a punt returner, averaging 18 yards a pop. He also made an impact as a receiver with 5 catches for 36 yards. Sanchez missed him down the seam for a late touchdown that would have given the Jets a chance to try an onside kick.
Sione Pouha: Sione dominated up front. The Giants broke a few big runs, but Pouha dominated the point of attack. On the series that resulted in the Cruz 99 yard touchdown, the Giants stuck Manning in the gun and threw on all three plays because they were so afraid to run at Sione near their own end zone.
Mike Devito: Devito also held up his end of the bargain for the most part in the run game.
Muhammad Wilkerson: He had 5 tackles and a sack. I can't wait to see him next year after the coaching staff has an offseason to work with him and refine his game. He is really getting good at using his long arms to shed blocks.
Calvin Pace: Pace has become a master of setting the edge.
Shonn Greene: Greene showed as good of a feel for the game as I have ever seen from him. He anticipated where his blocks were going to be and ran strong through arm tackles, rushing for 58 yards on 14 carries. The Giants bottled him up in the first half, but he ran great in the second half. Maybe if Brian Schottenheimer had used him more, the Jets could have won.
LaDainian Tomlinson: LT was pretty elusive today. He had 65 yards on 11 offensive touches. I still think Joe McKnight should be playing more.
Joe McKnight: He got open on that vertical route. He would have been one of the heroes had Sanchez thrown a good ball and it had gone for a touchdown. Maybe the Jets should use him more. Just a thought.
David Harris: Harris had a few hiccups, but he made some impact plays, including a sack and the key interception.
Bart Scott: Bart had 5 tackles, but he set other guys up by getting consistent penetration to redirect runners on both defense and special teams.
Normally this is the end of the post where I recap what this means in the big picture. I won't do that today. We will have plenty of time for that in the offseason that is likely seven days away. I'd like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and thank you for taking the time to read what we've written in the past year. Enjoy the holiday with your loved ones and remember it's only football. I feel blessed to have such a great group to talk football with like you guys. I'll have posts up in the next day or two when I can.
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Lets not get moopy just yet.
Two things to keep in mind. The first is that we can still easily make the playoffs without miracles.
The second is really important and we all have forgotten about it. There was no real off season this year, and I think that has a huge impact on how teams play. Everyone who we are saying regressed and haven’t progressed is a sign that the short off season hurt us. Certainly we have large structural problems, OC and RT, but there is a lot of potential.
by Saverio on Dec 24, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That may be true, but the offseason was just as short for everybody else.
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Wow....thanks for pointing out Wilks I didn't even know he played that well today
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I didn't mean to imply that it's ok that we are like this
But I think we needed this off season really badly for Sanchez and our two big development players.
Although I'm skeptical our coaches could do that well.
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the miracle next week
would be the jets beating the fins
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 6:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
sione pouha is asking for a contract
hes been the best defensive player outside of revis
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 6:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It'll be very interesting to see what happens.
I assume they drafted Kenrick to take over for Sione. How much do they believe in him?
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Not much I think becuase he hasn't gotten that much playinfg time this year
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
well
ellis has done absolutely nothing to take his job
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 6:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He hasn’t, but he wasn’t supposed to this year. It’s about how well they think they can coach him up before next year. They also could put Kenrick at end and move Devito to the nose.
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I don't think Devito has played all that well this year
I’d much rather the Jets re-sign Pouha who has played great this year
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Pouha
better be back next season. He has been a great player for us and I think he is also a leader. Ellis has shown nothing and we cant afford to take the chance that he can replace Sione.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
how much do you think it will take to re-sign Pouha
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
As usual it really depends on what the high rolling
FOs pay for DTs. Ngata got a 5 year 61 mil extension. But Pouha, especially being 33 next year, is looking at a contract more long the lines of 2 year 7-8 mil if he’s deemed important, 2 year 2-4 mil if he’s not.
Interestingly a really good nose tackle, Aubrayo Franklin, had to settle for a one year deal when he hit the market. If that’s what happens, bringing back Sione is a no brainer.
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by John B on Dec 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The short offseason hasn't hurt Andy Dalton and AJ Green.
It’s a poor excuse, this team is poorly coached any way you hash it.
while...
I feel it would hurt the team in the long run to make the playoffs, I am not in favor of mailing this one in. Rex Ryan expects his team to Win and they will not quit on him. The lock-out did hurt Gang Green more than other teams because of the players lost on the offensive side of the ball(D. Woody/T.Richardson/B.Edwards/B.Smith). All of the players lost impacted the offense/team not just with their ability but leadership as well. The silver lining to this is ties can finally be cut with the O.C. who in my opinion is a good person who is over his head as far as being an NFL OC. Change will help him as well as he belongs in the NCAA in my opinion where he can learn more and hone his skills for the future. This Jet season is not that bad all things considered, and the growing pains experienced this season will lead to good things in the future.
I'm tired!!!
Of this team not being ready and not making plays. Enough is enough. So damn frustrated. So frustrated. Tired of Sanchez not hitting open guys, tired of not blocking guys and please make a damn tackle. Merry christmas my ass!!!! This crap is getting old. So old.
Sorry but i’m just frustrated. They are better than this and have guys that can make plays. Step up and make them.
There is too much talent on this team. Way to much!!!!
Make some f@!$ing plays!!!
Not as much talent as you think
our offensive line has now become average at best and we have no safeties. We are also a very slow team which was exposed big time last week. I think we are a better than average team talent wise but far from elite.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
No way
They lost one guy on the line. Guys are not playing up to par. They lost their mean streak. When Rex got here he talked about punching guys in the chin and for the first two years we did. Then we got away from it. I’m tired of it. Start playing tough and go back to pushing people around.
And for Holmes, yeah he can ball but he has made too many mistakes lately. How come no one grabbed him by his face mask after that dumb touchdown celebration and gave him a mouthful? Brady throws a dumb int and gets reemed on the sideline. Tom fuckin Brady and no one has any balls to say something. Mangold, Brick, Harris, Revis, someone! Come the fuck on!
Sanchez
basically only started one season at USC and that is why it is extra important for him to be coached up. I am sorry but Schottenheimer and Cavanagh are not the guys to get the best out of a young QB.
I still believe in Mark Sanchez and believe he is the QB that can win if he gets the right coaching. Tom Clements the QB coach in Green bay who Aaron Rodgers swears by will be a terrific offensive coordinator and he is the man who can get the best out of Mark Sanchez.
This new offensive coordinator hire is incredibly important for the future of this franchise. if we can hire Clements or some other top notch guy we can contend in future years. On the other hand if we hire another dope like Schottenheimer or hackett we will never have a good offense.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I think this post is 100% truth
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Have to agree.
I was a fan of Shotty’s, but after this game even I think that it’s time to say good-bye to him. A OC that can develop a QB is just what we need.
That said. When we win next week and the other 8 & 7AFC teams lose and we make the playoffs and go to the Superbowl it’s going to be harder to get rid of him. :)
Happy Holidays all.
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I disagree
Brunell was brought on Board to be Sanchez;s mentor…and the way He has played lately I am left to think and belive that Sanchez doesnt listen..look this “well He only played 1 yr as a Starter @ USC” is gettng old!!!!..If I recall correctly Cam Newton basically Only HAD 1 YR as a Starter in college..look it up…he did transfer so had to sit a yr!!!.all He has done is BREAK Peytons passing yards record for a Rookie!!!!
Jets Coaching staff is hampered by the fact that Sanchez;s abilities arnt there..Each week REX goes over with HIS 2 OC;s(shotty & moore) to put into a gameplan plays that benefit Sanchez;s ability….when he cant throw more than 20 yards, that hamper;s a team!!!!..when His OL doesnt have full faith in Him the sacks continue!!!!!.how many games this yr Have they given up 4 or 5 sacks? too many!!!!!
how many times does Sanchez call out that KILL-KILL @ line and whatever HE has called fails.or He ends up throwing a pick-6….But what IRKS me is this, after 1 game(a lost) Sanchez in post game show ADMITS that His rec was well covered, YET still threw it His way why?…by the way was a pick-6….
In His 3 yrs He still can not read a DEF!!! and when He thinks He has, he finds ways of screwing it up!!!..People got mad at Holmes earlier in season for basically low-balling Sanchez, BUt sanchez still doesnt understand where Holmes got that Idea from!!!!
How many game including Todays game and against Eagles did Sanchez not LOOK for a 2nd rec or HIS “OUT”
this saying WELL He WON 4 playoff Road games..BIG DEAL!! you play a game in playoffs to win so ur team has a chance to go to next round..BUT fans think that this is something Truly Special that Sanchez has done!!!!
Today He makes another major error well 2, fumbles in end-zone is #1, But #2 that was a bonehead play on His part, allowing a safety!!!! that is all on Sanchez and nobody else..NOT OC!!!!!!
Today people saying Revis played great..well on that Bradshaw run what I say was a man wave his ARM towards Bradshaw.made No attempt to try a tackle!!!! saw same effort in 1 game against NE, when He went to tackle GRONK he backed away and allowed the TE another 5 yards!!!!
Game agaisnt denver He did nothing during those 95 yards that jets def allowed tebow to run!!!! on that run Tebow made for TD both Cromartie and Revis did nothing to TRY to stop HIM..watch the replay tape and u can clearly see BOTH never made a attempt!!!!
I am not a PATS fan either..BUT I will say this,those 2-TE;s that NE has, all DB;s have problems tackling them!!!!!.today in highligts on ESPN shows took 4 Miami players to tackle Him!!!!
JETS have NO TE;s!!!!! no def I mean allowing Cruz to go 99 yards that p-poor def!! I dodnt care what way u look at it, it is P-POOR!!!!!
and this thing that REX is a genius with calling DEF!!.well I think He has failed BIG time in 5 games this year..EAGLES—-GIANTS—-Denver—-BOTH Game against NE!!!! even HIS Own players said after Both games against NE they had wrong people of field!!!! REX calls DEF schemes!!!!..
the way Miami played today, I dodnt know about our chances there and dont forget it is in Miami!!!!!
we can not assume that Ravens will beat Bengals….we needed a win both last week and Today and we failed!!!!!….we have too many what-if;s facing us next week..to get in we need all in HUNT too lose and too me that asking for too much!!!
PHI, NYG, and DEN are all on the offense
and even the 1st NE game, a competent offense would have shredded their defense
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 25, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NYG was definitely all bad on the offense
But PHI was also on the defense. So was the Raiders and the first NE game, the second NE game was a failure by the entire team.
The Denver game was mostly offense but the defense fell flat on that last drive.
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by MDGeekyGrl on Dec 25, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said brew
Sanchez is in his third year. And his front office doesn’t allow him to succeed. You dont mess with what was the best o line in football two years ago. We did. You don’t switch up his receiving core in a lockout shortened season.
For th season Sanchez is at 24tds and 15 ints. Not horrible. If we ran more he would be more efficient and productive He is a playaction qb. Playaction doesn’t work if you refuse to run the ball.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
INTs are better
The fumbles are out of control this year.
I wanna believe that he can grow more but
I’m just not seeing it out of the kid. Yes his stat lines are improving, minus the fumbles, but watching him play is kinda painful. He constantly looks jumpy and unsettled in the pocket, preferring to dump the ball off than actually take a look down field and see what plays he can make. Even though he has been labelled the QB of our future, I don’t necessarily agree with that.
In ...
… agreement with your assessment that the present O.C. Coach/QB Coach have failed and are in need of replacement. I do not want to however repeat the same mistake that was made by bringing in an unproven NFL O.C. as it did not work. B. Schottnheimer was doing a great job with both P. Rivers and D. Brees in S.D. with the Chargers as a QB Coach. I feel the replacement is already here and has a relationship with the current players. As NFL O.C. with Oakland, B. Callahan’s offenses in two years led the league in rushing one year and passing in another year(obviously he can utilize the talent he has). In his third year at Oakland, He replaced J. Gruden(departed to Tampa Bay) as Head Coach of the Raiders and lost to the Buc’s in the Super Bowl, as Gruden used the team Tony Dungi built to defeat his former team(which he knew very well). The following year he expressed the need to replace the aging players and they turned on him finishing the year 6-10 he was fired and the Raiders have never been the same since. This can all be verified on Wikipedia, as a long suffering fan of the Jets I realize this is this best it has been for decades. This team is close and would benefit by tweaks to the coaching staff rather than rebuilding it. The success of this team in the first two years actually slowed the process by hampering F.A. pick-ups with the final four rules, causing this team to draft behind teams with better records in two straight years. I do not see that happening this year and B. Callahan is the reason M. Slauson is becoming a force. He was his H.C. at Nebraska and was instrumental in bringing him here. This is what we can expect with a proven NFL O.C. who has knowledge of his current players as well as the divisional rivals. That is also my reasoning in why Tony Sporano would make the perfect choice to replace him as O-Line coach(Dallas O-Line/Miami H.C.), He was wrongly fired by J. Ireland who should have gotten the axe. By promoting B.Callahan you know he can do the job as he has done it before. Making T. Moore the Asst. O.C. expands his role and now have two success stories replacing a failure. Adding Sporano to the mix adds another successful coach with familiarity of the entire AFC East division. That leaves only a QB coach needed to finish the needs to the Offensive Coaching staff, and I am sure that those men know exactly who to hire to get the job done. The improvement would be instant, the success would ripple over to the other two facets of the game as well. Trust me on this one as it makes all the sense in the world.
Hey, here's a name.
David Cutcliffe. If Duke cuts him loose or he wants to get out of there, we should be going hard after him. Obviously he’s a second choice to Clements, but still… Cutcliffe would be another person I’d be happy with.
This. Judging a QB’s play when the defense seems to know the play as well as if they had been in the huddle more than half the time is not truly fair. Failing at being the captain of a boat with giant holes in it’s hull is not the sign of a bad captain, but the sign of a bad boat builder. Given a decent boat, you can see the true mettle of the captain.
by Tim Sullivan on Dec 26, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
by bm01bath on Dec 24, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
I think that alot of people forget that football is only a drop in the pan in life. Even though I was super pissed that this team blows as much as it does, I took a step back and remember about what is the most important in life. Have a MC and HH people.
by Timmaht on Dec 24, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really frustrating watching this offense
They all are to blame. The receivers can’t get open. When they do get open, Sanchez either misses them or they drops the pass. SCHOTTY, after a 5 yard run in Giant territory, here comes the Jets bread and butter play the reverse to Holmes. Can’t forget the Online, how many times this season when they do get a positive play, its called back because of a hold or whatever else these bum do
by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 24, 2011 6:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Alot of our line mistakes are an affect of the playcalling.
A) Defenses are pass rushing us 100% because we have no threat to run, sometimes lining up in formations that have no opportunity to even do it.
B) While our play calling is simple, we line up in 50 different formations every game which keeps our offense more off balance then it does opposing defenses.
by Timmaht on Dec 24, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We can run but
If you watch the other team puts their safety 10 yards off the line because there is no threat of throwing downfield. Take the handcuffs off and see if Sanchez can throw the damn ball.
I’m sorry just real pissed.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
by LONGISLAND on Dec 24, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It should be a heavy combination of
runs, and middle deep throws. That way the play action is super effective. Instead, we don’t run enough and pass the ball 6 yards. The entire defense crowds the line.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I definitely know we can run but not with Schotty calling the plays because he won't do it.
by Timmaht on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am in ...
… agreement of the comments starting at 6:15 PM EST to 7:04 PM EST. , my Christmas wish was for something that could not be bought. A N. Y. Jets “W” over the Giants in what was not entirely “home field advantage”. I may not have gotten my wish this year, but the players did not quit trying to deliver. I feel the silver lining to this is that Rex Ryan will make needed changes to his coaching staff and this group did not have a chance with an O.C. who is afraid to remove the pampers from M.Sanchez combined with not allowing him to have familiarity with his WR corps and lacks the ability to utilize his talent properly to boot. The result will be changes, and Rex Ryan will do what he feels is best as his goal is the same as ours “Bring Championships to the Jets”. The remaining game on the schedule means little to me at this point, but I am sure Rex will do his best to bring us a winning record at the very least(with a long shot to make the playoffs he should go for it). I just hope this team exits the season without injury that would hamper future chances because all things considered 8-8 is not bad at all.
Did you watch the same game i did?
Do you really think sanchez having “better awareness” was going to get hime “extra time to make plays”? Give me a break! The main problem with sanchez today was he would avoid the rush, and then hang onto the ball for another 4 seconds before getting sacked! This guy just isn’t the answer. When he makes quick decisions, he is forcing balls into coverage, and when he sits back to survey the field he doesn’t throw it until there are 4 linemen breathing down his neck. I am no fan of schotty, but its really on sanchez that his yards per attempt were under 5. Its not like guys aren’t running deep routes, sanchez just doesn’t like to take chances. That is pathetic. We need to unload him and find someone else.
by GreeneEggsAndHam on Dec 24, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
Maybe but we haven't used him as a game manager to this point.
While he’s clearly not a good fit with Schotty using him like a creature with Peyton Manning’s brain and Pennington’s arm, if used as game manager at least we can either groom a younger QB or develop elsewhere until his contract is up.
Sanchez’s trade value is as much as Schotty’s as a head coach, not much. We’d take a giant cap hit releasing him.
We’d take a giant cap hit releasing him
We’d actually save like $9 million against the cap I believe. We’re getting deep into the contract so there’s not much bonus money to accelerate.
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I thought we tail ended that money previously.
That cap hit is still around $5 mil, no? I doubt we are going to find a better replacement we couldn’t sign with him still on the roster.
Going to the source
$14.2 million cap value-$5 million dead money = $9.2 million in cap savings
http://nyjetscap.com/salary12.html
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Hah, just looked it up.
I was basically looking at that dead money figure. But I do get you here, he’s not worth 14.2 mil. If there are better game managers out there and we can spend the money elsewhere, why not. So the two variables are who the next OC is and what FAs/draft picks are available.
Either way we absolutely need to hit a homerun on the next OC. As much as we complain about Schotty, most coordinators are about as good as he is. There aren’t many good OC’s out there. Only a handful are worth anything.
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I've never seen gameplans put together as backwardly as Schotty has.
Why would you ever empty backfield on 1st and 10, 3rd and short, 4th and 2, or 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and goal inside the 5?
I don't agree
so many teams are doing better with less or the same amount of talent.
next yr he gets 17mil!!!!
too me He didnt perform for a 14.2 mil QB!!!
uh ... is that guy name Peyton(put the fear of god in belichic)Manning available?
ohyeeeeaahh…! :-D
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
And where do you think his mindset comes from?
COACHING!!!
Come on son. Empty backfield on 1st and 10 from midfield? We ran ok when we did run today. And hard to male plays when you have 1st and 20.
Sanchez is an easy target because he Ian Brady or Rogers. But those guys took time to get where they where. Drew Brees once got traded.
Get mark anew qb coach OC and a new scheme and go from there.
All this over reAction is silly
The kid got us to back to back AFC championship games in his first two seasons. He deserves a chance to succeed. Deserves a new offense and coaching.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the problem with the "new scheme" idea
Is then you have another grace period where we can’t blame it on sanchez immediately, because he’s “adapting to a new system”. At the end of the day, the guy simply doesn’t complete enough passes. A good qb in the nfl should be somewhere around 60-65% completion percentage, sanchez still is completely in the mid 50% range.
You know this whole Tebow phenomenon has sorta reminded me of mark’s first couple years. The kid has talent, but is constantly being bailed out by his defense. With a solid qb the broncos wouldn’t need 4th quarter comebacks every week. Mark leads the league in that stat category over the past 3 years, and i think he’s a major part of the reason our team underachieves.
by GreeneEggsAndHam on Dec 24, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You could compare him to Tebow, you could compare him to young Roethlisberger, who also was bailed out a lot, and had clutch wins too.
I completely agree
I think the one distinct difference is that roethlisberger’s first 4 years in the league he was still completing passes at a 65% clip, while mark’s gotten better he’s still a well below average qb in that area, and while it isn’t the only factor that matters for a qb, i think its significant.
by GreeneEggsAndHam on Dec 24, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
The difference is that Roths IS an accurate passer. He throws a very nice short pass, but Sanchez is not and does not. It doesn’t mean that Sanchez can’t be a very good QB, but he is not going to be a high 60% passer. It just will never be his strength, so stop designing an offense where high precision is required of him.
Speaking of Ben
In Ben’s first 4 or 5 years in the NFL, he wasn’t asked to throw the ball nearly as many times as Sanchez is. Ben has developed into an accurate passer now but early on he received a lot of the same criticisms Sanchez gets now. It’s taken Ben 7 years, one rookie of the year trophy and 2 SB rings to finally get some respect in the NFL. I wonder how long it will take Sanchez?
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
He still was a more accurate short passer. But his Steelers were a very good running team, and they ran the ball.
And his OC was Ken Wisenhunt at that time
Wisenhunt ran a very conservative offense in order to give Ben room to grow and grasp the offense. Ben didn’t cut loose until Whiz was gone and the offense didn’t really get good at running a pass first offense until last year. Most of us Steeler fans still complain about Ben holding onto the ball too long and throwing too many passes in games.
But I trust Ben, I haven’t gotten close to that point with Sanchez. But I think he’ll get there with the right supporting cast and coaches.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
I completely agree about Ben. But because it did not go that way with Sanchez he seems to have suffered a good deal of mental damage this year. He has been MADE into a bad QB, and I’m not sure a new OC just fixes everything.
The fix isn't the new OC
The fix is getting his confidence up by winning. That can only happen with a new OC.
That’s why I think he needs a new OB coach as well. And he needs to spend his entire off season with a trainer that can help him with his footwork and accuracy.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
It is well known that while QBs can improve their accuracy, they do not become VERY accurate QBs through practice. He will never be very accurate. We can only hope for more accuracy to compliment his other fine qualities.
uh ... is that guy name Peyton(put the fear of god in belichic)Manning available?
yeaaaaa….
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
I really, really wish I was as confident as you are about Sanchez
I just can’t at this point. :(
by Exystence on Dec 24, 2011 8:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ben has always been a 60% comp. guy .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Do you really think sanchez having "better awareness" was going to get hime "extra time to make plays"?
As a matter of fact, yes I do. Knowing where the rush is coming from and avoiding it does create extra time for receivers to get open. Sanchez doesn’t do that.
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how many times
did mark avoid the rush today only to stare down field blankly and eventually be caught from behind. The past few weeks every commentator has been comparing mark in the pocket to big ben, only difference is big ben a huge qb who knows to to find receivers downfield. I don’t know if his receivers aren’t getting open, but sanchez avoids his fair share of linemen, only to sit there and hang on to the ball too long.
by GreeneEggsAndHam on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. Mark, when he escapes, looks like he sees NOTHING.
Only when he sprints out does he sometimes pick up a receiver.
and why is that?
because in 3 yrs He still can not READ a DEF!! plain and simple…then he is forever using his 2 favorite words of KILL-KILL, and makes plays that benefit the def He thought He read correctly but didnt!!!!..I mean when ur QB has a post game chat and ADMITS that while He saw HIS rec was well covered HE still made the decision to throw it His way why?..by the way that throw resulted in a pick-6!!!!!
There saying He watches films constantly, well His play on field shows me he isnt watching /or making notes!!!!…
look Sanchez ex College Coach even told Him He needed to stay in School and gain more exp..BUT Sanchez saw the BIG$$$$$…when Jets drafted HIM they needed a QB that Sanchez could have watched and learned from BUT jets failed too do that..so blame front Office on this blunder!!!!
as I said b/4, this “well he had only 1 yr as a Starter in College is getting OLD people”!!!!!
By all accounts Cam Newton Only played 1 yr as a Starter..and today set a NEW record for Rookie QB;s…
another QB only played 2 yrs as a Starter and sat HIS 1st yr, and probably would have sat His 2nd yr, BUT Jets Def knocked out Bledsoe..SO this QB enter in Teams 3rd game…look at His records He has set!!!!! no no am not a NE fan either either BUT just saying this well he only has so & so yrs as a Starter is OLD News!!!!
In 3yrs Sanchez should be further along BUT isnt,why? I say as His ex college Coach has said He lacks some abilities!!!!!
so what He lacks His Coach;s know it and Each week REX and HIS staff devise game-plans that fit into HIS abilities!!! and he still cant make those plays work!!!!!..Denver makes there gameplans around TEBOW;S abilities which is he is a RB 1st….
Sanchez is NOT a pocker-passer and never will be either!!!!..u can see it when he trys playing as such, gets all nevous and makes throws that are nowhere near His Rec;s!!!! How many games Has Holmes gotten into the open and Sanchez doesnt throw him the ball?.Sanchez main problem is He Latches onto 1 rec and fails to seek out His 2nd choice or HIS-OUT man!!!!
Jets lack a player to run over the middle..dont HAVE TE;s….If Jets ever played N.O, Bree;s and his TE would kill us!!!!!!..heck NE 2 TE;s killed us in both games!!!!!
how many yrs did Rogers sit?.did it hurt Him NO!! if anything it taught HIM, last yr and this yr is solid proof!!!.and this yr GB def is ranked 31st!!!!!!
YES I DID
What GreeneEggsAndHam just posted is %100 correct… Sanchez is NOT the answer and NEVER will be… He is an average QB at BEST… One can make all the detailed analysis they want of his teammates, OC guru and coaches, but the bottom line is, I’ll say it again over and over: He is too short (averages at least 3 to 4 passes batted down in every game), too slow to react to the pressure around him, is always throwing from a running position, NEVER goes down field to keep the DB’s honest… He just plays SCARED and all the coaching in the world can not undo a players mind and his thought pattern’s… Ur born with those… Unfortunately, he should NEVER have been drafted by the JETS and should be Traded along with Jets #1 pick in next years draft to some team who needs a QB (Washington comes to mind) and start over in the draft with one of the Bigger, more Rugged and faster QB’s that will be available if u draft up high enough… Jets will NEVER be a TOP team and get to the Super Bowl with Sanchez as it’s QB… and the SOONER JETS coaches and fans realize this, maybe the chances of winning another Super Bowl in my lifetime will come true… Spoken as an Original NY Titan fan… 51 years of frustration (over 800 games of watching this Team this play) is enough…
I'm giving Sanchez half a season with a new OC and that's it
If he isn’t playing like at least an average NFL QB by week 9 next season, I’m done with him. And if he doesn’t have a new OC next season, well, I guess I’ll be trying to get rich so I can buy the damn team and hire a new one myself.
Anyway I said most of what I had to say about the game in the previous thread. So really I have nothing more to say.
Yeah seriously. If people don't see the writing on the wall at this point,
they never will. I agree Sanchez should get at least another half season with a new OC.
Schotty deserves a head coaching job
preferably in Miami because the man is an offensive genius.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Schotty is an example of the Peter Principle. He seemed like a good position coach in San Diego who was promoted to his level of incompetence here.
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by John B on Dec 24, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
John...
… B. , You hit the nail on the head once again. I have enjoyed reading your articles and would like to thank you for your time and effort.
He barely deserves even that.
Only reason I give him that is because of his contract. We should definitely draft a QB highly this offseason, or at the very least get someone like Kyle Orton or Matt Moore if they’re available. Probably won’t be drafting high enough to get RG3. :/
by Exystence on Dec 24, 2011 6:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Especially with Barkley returning to school.
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by John B on Dec 24, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ur forgetting 1 thing here Exystence
past 2 games we have had 2 OC;s(Shotty and moore) and still No better reults from our QB!!!!! OC;s send in the PLAYS.then it is upto Players to make them work!!! and alot of TOMES QB calls out His 2 favorite words of KILL-KILL, and whatever he has Now called fail;s….Because he failed to read the coverage’s..in 3 yrs U would think He could have learned to READ a DEF!!!!
all the Balme is NOT ON the OC but #1 the QB and those other 10 player;s..how many times has OL allowed a sack?..TOO many!!!!! how many of those PICK-6;s are Sanchez;s faults? every single 1!!!!!!
Holmes was 100% right for calling Him out earlier in season..and he still didnt change His game playing…he is too edgy!! too timid at times.trys making something out of nothing!!!! TODAYS safety is 100% HIS fault!!!!..fumble in end zone 100% HIS fault!!!!.2 INT caused BY again HIS lack of reading a covergae!!!!
Sanchez
Too Small to play QB in NFL – gets at least 3 to 5 passes batted down every game… This last game was no exception… He NEVER drops back in the pocket and is always throwing on the run… He takes to long to find a reciever and MOST of the time it’s a pass in the flat or screen pass or something short… NEVER EVER tries to keep a defence honest by throwing deep down field on somewhat of a regular basis… In my opinion… Trade your #1 pick in the draft this year, along with Sanchez and Offensive Coordinator Schotty to a team high up in the draft and GET A NEW QB.. Sanchez in NOT the answer… and what bothers me the most is all these so called Learnerd Football Commentators all praise him or make excuses for him.. GET rid of him ASAP…
Drew Bress is either smaller or the same size as Sanchez and Vick is even smaller then them. So I doubt height has any thing to do with it
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
true ur 100% right BUT!!!
Bree;s and Vick have a football sense something Sanchez does not have!!!! they can both READ a DEF coverage!! sanchez still cant!!!!!…I dodnt think sanchez has the arm for a long ball!!!!..REX makes a game plan that fits and suits Sanchez;s abilities!!!! and he still screws them up..He is no game manager!!!!..OC calls in a play then those on field need to work together as a TEAM, and past 2 games I am seeing they arnt doing that!!!!..Sanchez locks onto 1 rec!!! and when he decides to seek out His 2nd rec he is well covered and Sanchez still try;s making a pass his way why?!!!!!.face it Sanchez lacks some abilities!! #1 is reading a defense!!!!! #2 is seeking out who His "out-Man is….
Yrs ago I saw another team going thru the same game playing as what JETS have been playing lately..the Teams OL didnt have much faith in there QB!!!.and there def didnt either for like the JETS they would go out and hold a team to a 3 and out ONLY too watch there QB throw a pick-6..or maybe fumble or throw a INT!!!! so they traded Him to a team out west(Oakland) and with that TEAM HE became a GREAT QB even won a FEW SUPERBowls, His Name was Jim plunkett!!!! was traded from NE to Oakland!!!!!
I dodnt think JETS OL has much faith in sanchez and the sacks there allowing this yr is ample proof!!!! 5 today..5 in 1 game with NE..2 against Denver.and what 4 agaisnt EAGLES..come on people in 2 games OL has allowed 9 sacks!!!! there is ur proof!!!!!
Drew Brees 6'0 Aaron Rodgers 6'2 Joe Montana 6'2 Steve Young 6'2 Johnny Unitas 6'1 Joe Namath 6'2
Mark Sanchez 6’2. There are 6 HOF’s, who are the same height, or smaller than Sanchez. Duse is tall enough… Just maybe not goos enough
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 24, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez is the same height as Montana was 6"0.No way he's 6"2 Joe used to throw from outside the pocket
Frequently which the Jets rarely do.Now the DL average about 6’4 about 3-4 inches taller than in the 50’s and 60’s.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 24, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez was bad today
But Schotty was even worse.
Sanchez has been inaccurate all season so lets have him drop back 60 plus times? How many completions would he have needed to have a good percentage? He ran into a few sacks, he’s done that a lot his year, which is why we shouldn’t get go empty backfield so much. That’s also one reason why we should run more. I think someone told Schotty that the Giants blow a lot of coverages, so he decided to throw an ass ton even after it became it wasn’t working. Our receivers weren’t always getting good separation, probably because they knew we were going to throw every down. Were also second in the league in drop this year, which was on display today. Schotty also needs to take some blame for Sanchez’ lack of development.
A big reason Sanchez looked so bad today was because Schotty did a fine ass job of making him look that way.
Also, Reggie Wayne has had a couple of 100 yard receiving games this year with Collins/Painter/Orlovsky throwing to him, why the hell doesn’t Holmes have one?
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
And Sanchez does deserve a chance with a different OC. I think my half-year plan is pretty fair :)
by Exystence on Dec 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think he does deserve a chance, but I also think we need to either bring in a proven veteran or draft somebody to plug in if things go poorly.
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We’re certainly on the same page tonight.
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Jets should have had a proven veteran QB since Mark's 1st season.Sometimes a young player needs
to take a step back to take it all in especially a QB.Sanchez was never given the chance to do that as he’was handed the job without a parachute..
by Putnan Prince on Dec 24, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez may not be the answer, BUT
There is no separation by our wideouts, OLine protection sucks.
I have told you in past years the sad news that the Jets loved Schottenheimer so he would not be fired. If you are looking for a silver lining, I do not see any way they can possibly bring him back now.
If he does not get a better job offer, he will be back.
no
hopefully, with the players calling him out, maybe a little media attention, he could be gone.
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by rexthejet on Dec 24, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well
you do never know…who thought mangini would be fired?
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It did seem like Tannenbaum was in his corner at the time. Admittedly I might be grasping at hope here, but it’s all we got.
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Tanny ain't stupid.
He can see when something is wrong. The extension is worth chump-change, he’s not paid like a player. If we miss the playoffs, I’m almost positive he’ll pull the trigger on Schotty if necessary (i.e. if Rex won’t).
by Exystence on Dec 24, 2011 7:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I beg to differ
He let vital players get away that he knows he could have kept.
And...
… we as the fan base can do our part concerning “media attention”, If this team brings back B.S. “they will lose much more than games” next season. This is a business and the team has done a lot since W. Johnson bought it, the franchise has risen to respectability and Rex Ryan brought that to another level. This season had a lock-out and the team lost about a third of it’s offensive starters/playmakers. This amplified the need of a good O.C. to get the SB Rex promised, do not think for one minute he will not “do the right thing” here. He actually would be doing “Schotty” a favor by firing him. He needs to further develop his skills and there are plenty of jobs available at the NCAA level, better men than he have taken that path and made it back to the NFL.
He was covered. It had nothing to do with the route.
It was a good move after the catch and missed tackles. Now go troll along somewhere else and have a Merry Christmas even though you are a troll.
more likely cromartie doesnt tackle
go troll somewhere else
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 7:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Cruz is very good, no doubt
but you KNOW he benefits quite a bit from having Nicks and Manningham to draw coverage away from him.
by Exystence on Dec 24, 2011 10:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
an 11 yd...
… pass ends up tying an NFL record. I saw two teams play some bad football yesterday, had the Jets won I still would have been pissed off at the inept slap dick offense. I would be doing the same thing today: “Calling for the replacement of Brian Schottenheimer”; not trolling a Giants website.
missing the play offs
the team gets better draft picks, the team will not go far if they do get in, they’re playing inept football right now, ok said it a 1,000 times before fire Schotty, replace Hunter, draft OLB and Safety and OLineman, draft whoever is the best player available respectively, trade back for Lowery, and Rex stops making predictions and concentrates on coaching and game planning
ill rather make the playoffs and take my chances then move up 1 or 2 spots in the draft
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 7:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
this
Proud member of the fire Brian Schottenheimer club
"Grunt and Punt offense"
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You knew the game when you got into it
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agree 1000%
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Me too, but we missed the playoffs so...
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 24, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
probably...
… because it has been a few years. If 9-27 is “Elite”, I don’t want any part of it.
I said at best
That they would get to the 2nd round. Said they would beat Houston and then the buck would stop in Balti or NE. Everyone that needs to lose all have tough opponents, but with TEN/HOU, Houston has nothing to play for.
uh ... is that guy name Peyton(put the fear of god in belichic)Manning available?
Yesssiiiiire!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
Geez you are like a broken record
We get it YOU WANT PEYTON!
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
what we need to do is draft players that can play more than 1 position!!!
alot of teamss are doing that..so when a RT is off they can take a guard and insert to play RT.JETS lack these type players..we have no depth!!!.showed when Mangold went down!!!..another thing is we Have NO back-up QB!!! Brunell is done and has been done for yrs BUT rex wanted HIM to Teach Sanchez, and too me he has failed!!!!!
Today b/4 game Plaxico comes out and saying He’ll catch 3-4 TD;s..well the 1 chance he had he blew with pass interference!!!!
how many sincere attempts did Sanchez throws towards Holmes?…and some of those he did throw were not on target!!! Sanchez throws are erratic!!!!.after 3 yrs one would think he could do better!!!!…
Eagles game and todays Game 2 OC;s and Sanchez still found ways to lose!!!!..fumble in end zone..allowing a safety!!!!2 int;s!!!!
BUT what has KILLED jets is there OL allowing in past 2 games 9 SACKS!!!!!…as I have said and I truly believe the OL has lost faith in there QB, and the sacks allowed are the Proof!!!!!
This loss is squarely Schottenheimer's fault.
Not Sanchez. Not Rex. Not penalties. 67 pass attempts in a game thats a defensive battle? Don’t confuse it. The Giants put up no offense outside of a 100 yard pass play that Eric Smith misses a tackle. If they just run the ball they win. Even aftr the first 60 passes, if they run the ball when they are down 6 they win. What kind of idiot looks at a last opportunity after a guy has completed 20 out of 60 passes, says to himself “let’s pass it some more”? No one but Schottenheimer. Fire him tomorrow, or let him stay home this week and leave the offense to Bill Callahan. Bill Cosby could run a better offense.
by manuvsteal on Dec 24, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Of course Sanchez was bad, he wasn’t put into a position to succeed.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Schotty did nothing to change his gameplan at the half and the Giants took advantage of it
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Is it a surprise to Rex on gamedays when we pass twice as much as run?
He’s a defensive coach but he’s also the Head Coach and if he wants the running game to be used more I would guess he would say so.
Maybe his game plan consists of covering the Giants Super Bowl banners outside their locker room and sending Plax alone to the coin flip
Rex and his dumb bravado games.
I hate Brandon Jacobs, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he cursed out Rex was because of covering those team banners
by winnebagosun on Dec 24, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
spend more time on Xs and Os and less trying to motivate the other team
I saw the new Pepsi Max commercial with the whole team and thought there was a camera in the locker room for a second
I almost threw up when I saw that
I wanted to get the phone number, call and get them to please remove that embarassing commercial.
by winnebagosun on Dec 24, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the commercial when the Jets were winning
But once the Giants started winning, the commercial became annoying
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
I didn't get to see the commercial
what was it?
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
That would have been good if we were winning but we palyed terrible so it wasn't
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
I whole heartedly agree
Rex needs to have more input on this offence.
You cant only couch one side of the ball and have all this dysfunction on the other side of the ball when all you do is comment on it after the games .
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
I remember us talking about adjustments after watching the first half
The defense stepped up but the offense choked.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
The defense played excellent in both halfs for the most part
but that doesn’t matter one bit if offense is a 3 and out machine
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ur both wrong on shotty!!!
the HEAD COACH as with all TEAMS has the final say on what plays are called and used..the HEAD COACH makes the Adjustment @ 1/2 time!!!
REX hears all calls being sent in..How many times DOES He make a CHANGE of whats being called!!!!….all Head coach;s do over ride there OC;s….o as said I disagree with u 2 on blaming the OC..also dont forget there are 2-OC;s on field Shotty and Moore!!!!
now how can u blame them when Numbnuts Sanchez calls out that “KILL-KILL” and changes the play called..once QB makes that call then what is called is ALL on THE QB!!! and too me Because Numbnuts still cant read a DEF after 3 yrs is the #1 BLAME!!!!!
If he had the smarts to read a DEF I think U would see Him having More control!!! like Bree;s ..Rogers….BEN…BRADY and etc!!!!!!
reason Colts are so successful when Peyton plays is Because He is LIKE a COACH..He can CALL HIS PLAYS!!!! Sanchez isnt allowed to because of the abilities he still LACKS!!! reading a defense-coverage!!!!!
how many long balls that sanchez throws are truly accurate?..not many!!!!.thats why He is stuck on those 20-30 yd throws!!!!!
also ur failing to see and accept that REX during week upto a game sits down with HIS OC;s and makes a Game plan that best fits and suits HIS QB!!!!…we have been lucky that Sanchez hasnt gone down with a injury because we do not have a TRUE back-up QB!!! nor Has front office gone out to get one either..BRUNELL is DONE!! and has been done for YRS!!!!
look how upset Sanchez got when Brunell took some snaps in practise, sounds of a spoiled primma-donna if U ask me!!!!!.Face it Sanchez is NOT a TOP Starting QB!!!!..what he needed too do was sit behind a established QB and Learn the Game!! who;s fault is that ? front office!!!!
and dont go throwing that old News that He won 4 Road play-off games either!!! U play in those type games to win thats why ur in play-offs…Sanchez is basically showing that QB;s out of USC dont make the grade(s)…..
how many yrs did Steve young sit behind Montana?…How many yrs did Rogers sit behind Brett?….Steve Young got His chance when SF traded montana!!!..
Sanchez has no competition behind him and He needs that..or better yet He needs to ride the side-lines and learn from a seasoned QB!!!!!
I mean look at Cam Newton by all accounts he only played 1 yr as a starter, he had to sit 1 yr because of a transfer…BUT today He passed peyton Rookie record for a QB in yards thrown!!!!!
even Brady sat his 1st yr, and only came in to game His 2nd yr when in NE;s 3rd game Bledsoe went down with a injury and He had ONLY 2 yrs as a College Starter!!!!!
USC doesnt play a pro-style off..where-as most other schools do..Mich does!!!! ND does…and before u throw me that crude remark about ND..let me remind u that Both MONTANA and Theisman came out of ND!!!!!….
I am a fan
of Bill Cosby. I’d like to see him call a game or 2.
I know I'm human, and that's my greatest weakness. But, I never let it stop me, and that's my greatest strength. - Frank Castle
I do love Sanchez. but his play has been brutal at times during his career.
Does anyone know what year Rodgers is in when he got real good. How about 7th year? Drew Brees was out the door in SD when they nearly kicked him out, and then he only had a great year. Give the kid some time and a good OC.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, find someone who knows what rhythm, momentum and and identity is and let him run the offense. Shotty needs to be let go, and lets see if the kid can do something next year.
As for me, I hope we win, I want in the playoffs, screw draft picks we need to win more games in the playoffs
The problem is Rex keeps coaching Sanchez up by saying he's ready to take over the Offense
So we expect more from him. The truth is he’s not there yet and he probably won’t get there with the current offensive coaching staff. I’m just afraid the Jets are going to listen to the fans and get rid of Sanchez and he’s going to become a pro bowler somewhere else.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
The Jets aren't going to give up on Sanchez
the gave too much up to get him, he is the face of the franchise.
But this was his show me year, and he has folded.
Agreed. And we new that when then put McElroy on IR
I know it was pre-season, but McElroy looked great & the Jets brass didn’t want a fan favorite on the side-line if Sanchez struggled.
They also will not draft another young QB. It’s going to be Sanchez or possibly McElroy. So for all of you Sanchez bashers get your binoculars ready to watch McElroy.
I know I'm human, and that's my greatest weakness. But, I never let it stop me, and that's my greatest strength. - Frank Castle
uh ... is that guy name Peyton(put the fear of god in belichic)Manning available?
can you smeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll???? ….. hahaehae
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
The fans have been calling for schottys head the last few years and he’s still here. I doubt they get of Sanchez this quick
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But we also need SD & Houston to win.
I know I'm human, and that's my greatest weakness. But, I never let it stop me, and that's my greatest strength. - Frank Castle
Houston
isn’t playing for anything. They’re the 3rd seed no matter what.
Listen I’m not bitter but the jets beat themselves once again. If this offense has half as good as it is they would be in the playoffs already.
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 8:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Challenge Sanhez
I was listening to espn radio and Steven A Smith made a great point we need a ligit number 2 QB who will challenge Sanchez for his job. With Brunell and no number 3 Sanchez is the only QB option he needs some heat on his spot..and schittenhiemer needs to go..
If funny how flacco is having a similar year as Sanchez, but being that he’s 11-4 no one says shit about him and he’s in his fourth year. Plus how do we smoke Washington, Washington smokes the giants and we lose to those assholes.
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 8:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
from a Giants fan point of view ....
Brian Schottenheimer should get the game ball for not running the ball when it was apparent the GMen couldn’t stop it.
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because we suck. this team does not have a killer instinct. There is not one particular side of the game we dominate in this year. when one thing works everything else sucks. we have not played a complete game on all three phases this…
Sure we did against the chiefs. But they blow anyway
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Y'all are kidding yourselves
If you think Sanchez will excel under another OC. He’s garbage. He doesn’t have a big arm and has very poor pocket presence and feel for the game.
by heisthejuan on Dec 24, 2011 9:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The team simply looked bad out there.
With the exceptions of Revis and Kerley, none of them looked like professional football players. It’s obvious that Sanchez needs to step up, but a big, big part of that is… wait for it… building suspense here… the play-calling, i.e. the same shit that we’ve been saying all season. Greene had 7 rushes in the first half, WHY ONLY SEVEN? Because Schottenheimer sucks, that’s why.
Alot of the problems we’ve had this season could have been very easily predicted, but some, well, how did we know Schotty was going to garbage it up this year? Regardless, this is Rex Ryan’s team and he is obviously not doing what needs to be done. Schotty needs to go, and Smith and Hunter shouldn’t be starting. I can’t help but feel utterly unimpressed with Ryan’s tenure right now. He took a 9-7 team and went… 9-7, 11-5, and no better than 9-7. In the end, the buck stops with Ryan, and he let us down this season. This off-season will be Rex’s shot to prove that he actually does have what it takes, I hope to God that he does.
All we saw today was the culmination of what has transpired all year.
Even the SNY guys are sick of the Rex and Sanchez show. For Rex to stand up after the game and say the team is not built to win throwing the ball 67 times is such an incredible indictment on so many levels I can’t believe he made the statement. And for Sanchez to stand up before the entire press corps and tell everyone what a great game Schotty called is unbelievable. Are the HC and the QB even remotely on the same page? Is anyone on this team? I have said this many times before – Rex making himself the focus shields the players but also allows them not to be accountable. I’ve also said before that the parallels with the Bum Philips Oilers of 198-1980 are downright scary. That was a culture changing coach who went to 2 consecutive AFC championship games, lost them both, went out in the first round of the playoffs the following year and got fired, because even Bud Adams drank the Koolaid and believed he had a better team than he did and that it had gotten too undisciplined. Of course he also had Earl Campbell.
I’m not saying the Jets are thinking of canning Rex. But I think he has one more year to change his MO and be a real HC instead of a glorified defensive coordinator who acts as the press agent for his team. This team has not been ready to play one game all year and today was no exception. Keller exemplified that today. How do you let TWO passes hit you in the helmet? Where is the fire? These guys didn’t even show up last week, and this week, with it all on the line, Revis was the only guy who had game for 60 minutes.
This organization needs to do a complete top to bottom re-evaluation and start cutting a lot of over-paid, over-hyped, under-performing, under-talented people. That will start sending the message that what happened this season is not acceptable. And Schotty, Cavanaugh, and maybe some others need to go on the staff. When Westof’s guys start performing like they did this year, you know the rot has run deep. Sanchez is only the tip of the iceberg, but I think he also has only one year left, and only if the coaching staff changes. Even then he will never be anything more than an average QB at best, but the Jets have so many more pressing needs our franchise QB might be sitting on the bench as a freshman somewhere.
Bum Phillips is a really good comparison. =
And yes, the team never seems “ready to play”, and that they haven’t ready to play the last two down-the-stretch games is even more of an indictment. I think that this team has more talent than you, possibly, but there is a systematic problem here, not just the OC.
(And boy, wasn’t Earl Campbell a player!)
by ________key on Dec 24, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody on the Jets offense with his kind of inner fire.
But it was a double edged sword – all those extra hits on those monstrous thighs took their toll and shortened his career. That plus the way Phillips used him to cover for the effects of Playboy Dan Pastorini’s night life.
by Traveling Man on Dec 24, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
well, he was a HoF RB, they don’t come around that often. When I was a kid he came to my high school to film a Skoal commercial. To this day I have never seen anything like seeing him move a not too many yards from me. He was just running drills and it was like watching a refrigerator fly around the grass. He was so agile, it has stayed with me my whole life.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Come on
People are giving Sanchez too much leeway. This is football he’s playing not rocket science. Sure they’res tough coverages and whatever, but when it comes down to it he’s playing football. Look at Cam Newton. People said nfl would be to complicated for him. Hes a monster because when it comes down to it hes only playing football.Sure Sanchez only had one year at USC, but he’s making mistakes a competent quarterback wouldn’t make. For example the saftey he took. Most people would know to throw it away let alone a NFL caliber QB. He looks downright brutal a time. If he wasn’t taken in the first round we would have pulled him by now. Give me a break
by DehShadow on Dec 24, 2011 10:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don't think most of the contributors on this site give Sanchez too much leeway anymore
That being said I agree with all that you wrote.
by Traveling Man on Dec 24, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that too. The oline doesn’t give him time, the receivers have no space, but when it comes down to it it’s just football
by DehShadow on Dec 24, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People are giving Sanchez too much leeway. This is football he’s playing not rocket science.
Being an NFL quarterback is probably harder than being a rocket scientist. There are only a handful of NFL qbs and there are thousands of rocket scientists. You have very short time compression windows, and a lot of very good college qbs never make it.
I agree, Sanchez can’t be given a pass, but excelling in the NFL is not easy.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yea its not like everybody can do it, but Sanchez has the talent, so it shouldn’t be that hard. He constantly looks lost and Sanchez can’t hit a wide open receiver, let alone put it in a tight window. I’m not saying playing quarterback in the nfl is easy, I’m just saying all these excuses for someone who’s been a quarterback for a decent part of his life and has also been in the nfl for 3 years now, are kind of ridiculous.
It is very hard to tell what is Sanchez’s ceiling, and what is his fault, and what is what came from the way he has been handled. From the start with their red light green light game he has been made to feel he is a walking mistake waiting to happen. For three years they have been urging him to check down into non aggressive passes. I believe it has gotten to him, as if evidenced by how well he does in the only situations when he doesn’t have to worry about mistakes…when he is losing, and the game is on the line.
that being said
there are at least 20 qbs who are doing the job better than sanchez
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by NJ Champ on Dec 25, 2011 1:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Rex had drafted Cam in his first year
I guarantee he would have been told “Don’t make a mistake!” over and over, and been turned into a check down QB. He would never have had the year he is having under Rex and Schotty.
A lot of people are going to put this on Rex but I don’t think Rex needs to prove anything.
Mike Tannenbaum, Brian Schottenheimer, Mark Sanchez, these 3 guys have caused a lot of problems for the Jets this year.
Tannenbaum failed to keep the star of the team, the offensive line, together. He tried to turn the Jets into a passing team, ignoring that Mark Sanchez does his best work on play action fakes. He overpaid for Cromartie, who I think is a really dumb player.
Schotty was Schotty. His play calling is pretty conservative but they didn’t give him the right personnel to run his offense. He ought to have more creativity and ability to adapt but he doesn’t.. I agree with the pulpit, he’s got to go.
Sanchez was Sanchez, but exposed. Take him away from the great offensive line he enjoyed the past two years and there is nothing to his game. He struggles to get his throws off in tight space and hesitates way too often, in every scenario. The fumbles, the double clutches, the inability to get the play off, Mark Sanchez is not in control of his game when he is under pressure.
All in all, I’m not sure what to say. Woody Johnson decided he was down to watch the Rex Ryan Jets circus for a while and I’ve been enjoying it but this year was pathetic. I don’t think Ryan was in control of this team at all, as others have said, one gets the impression the inmates were running the asylum.
This is going to be a major off-season for the Jets.
Still the window to comlete that was microscopic
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
This damn offense lost it for us. 17 weeks of the same shit
We can’t call 89 plays… and THROW IT 60++ TIMES!!!! Schitty needs to go already. These 5 yard outs are pissing me off. I don’t want us in the playoffs, I don’t think we’re ready to go play teams with tough defenses (Houston, Pitt, Baltimore). Let’s get our needs taken care of in the off-season, get a new offensive system and let’s get at it next year.
by jets4life24 on Dec 25, 2011 3:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Rex allows that shyt
so he needs to be held accountable by Woody Johnson!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
We are fortunate that ......
In this years draft there are a number of decent WR, 3-4 OLBs and RT spread throughout the draft.
The problem with Schotty is he abandons the run far too quickly. And for this alone he needs to be replaced.
1. Promote BILL CALLAHAN to OC. Or see if we can get Marc Trestman to be OC
2. Sign TONY SPARANO to be OL coach
3. If CHAD PENNINGTON is looking towards a coaching career I’d be happy for him to work as a QB consultant. He would be an ideal mentor for Sanchez possibly working alongside Moore
I think we need to look at WR in the draft. Even after the Big 3 there are guys like Sanu, Dwight Jones, McNutt or Toon who we can target.
Callahan and/or Sparano should be able to identify Day3 prospects on the OL in the draft.
I would look to sign Tyvon Branch SS and Trevor Scott OLB/DE from the Raiders in free agency and then the following draft
R1 (30-32 trade down) Mohammed Sanu WR
R2 Vinny Curry DE/OLB
R2 (62-64) Nick Toon WR, son of Al
R3 Trumaine Johnson FS
R4 Brandon Washington LG
R5 Jake Stoneburner TE
R6 Ethan Johnson 3-4 DE
R7 Art Forst RT/RG
R7 Jeff Adams OT
Burress and Holmes need to be pushed, not resigned or cut if they don’t step up and be the team leaders the team needs. Keller is simply a big WR and we need a true TE. Hunter needs to be released and replaced by one of Ducasse or Slausen, Forst or Adams who could do a better job with help from a TE who can occasionally block.
Finally there is no point in giving up on Sanchez ….. yet. Give him better protection, some new toys and better coaching and if by the end of next season, we can then look at someone like Matt Barkley, Aaron Murray, or Tyler Bray in 2013
Drafting a QB in the 2012 class is foolhardy and I don’t really see any FA Quarterbacks who will improve the team without taking us into salary cap hell.
sanchez salary next yr will 17 mil!!!!
Look u have a TOP OC on the team right now in MOORE and still numbnuts Sanchez hasnt changed!!!!.Moore has been with team all yr..and Sanchez has been regressing….How many yrs will it take him to READ a DEF?.heck Cam Newton rookie yr passing well over 3000 plus Yards, and playing on the Panthers!!!!! plus I think has records for rushing TD;s by a QB this yr as well!!!!!
eve with 2 OC"s sanchez has Not gone forward!!!….the #1 person too Blame is HEAD COACH!!! why? because it is HIS DECISION to plan the next game-gameplan with HIS OC;s. to have plans that fit into NUMBNUTS-Sanchez’s head and abilities!!!!!..I am sorry But Sanchez Today earned that Name of NUMBNUTS by #1 fumbling in end-zome and #2 allowing that safety!!!!!!
also when sanchez changes the play@ the line, then that is HIS CALL..it is HIS ability to READ that DEF!! and he fails usually!!!!..why does he Throw a pass too a well covered rec?..and thenafter the Lost during a post-game report AMITS that YES!!! he saw he was well covered BUT still threw His way.. which gave Him another pick-6!!!! that shows he lacks abilities!!!!…
Brunell was signed to be his mentor. now either Brunell has failed or Sanchez isnt a good learner!! or maybe it is a combo of Both!!!!!
when a head Coach keeps putting HIS QB on a high pedestal and he keeps screwing up then REX is wrong, He needs to cal him out!!!!..Heck HOLMES earlier In yr wasnt afraid to call the want-a-be QB out!! did Sanchez change? no, still making same dumb and stupid mistakes..waits too long b/4 going to His “OUT-MAN”..locks onto 1 rec and will still throw His way when covered..P-Poor decision by a so called QB!!!!
everyone saying Sanchez has made progress
25td passing Heck 3 of this yr Rookies have 20TD passing…go ahead fire the OC..BUT fire HEAD COACH as well because he is ur #1 problem with ALL HIS BS of saying this YR we are going to SUPERBOWL and so far 2 yrs straight He failed!!!!!
then ur all throwing out there WELL MARK Has Won 4 Play-oFF games. so what! He still lost the ones that mattered now didnt he?….game last yr agaisnt steelers He was nowhere too be seen in His play on the field!!!!! He can not manager a game!!!!!
His ONLY 1 yr as a Starter is a OLD excuse!!!!! also USC does not play a pro-offense where-as MOST other school do!!!!!
schools like Mich…LSU..ALABAMA…Georgia..ND!!!!.heck 2 of the Best QB;s came out of ND—-MONTANA and THEISMAN!!!!!!
Sanchez out play big Ben in that game asshole, Know what your talking about before you open your mouth. Sanchezs QB rating was over 102 and bens was 35. USC does play a pro style offense. At least they did when Sanchez was there. You look like a dope.
by dawg1331 on Dec 25, 2011 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was the reason we even had a shot in the 2nd half
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 25, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
sadly
we have no reason to make him go away, except the fact that he is annoying…
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I think tone was set...
when we came out in the second half… and on our first drive threw the ball three times for three incompletions. I have no idea why we just don’t try to pound the ball more.
Halftime is for adjustments and shifting to something that works. To come out like that REALLY deflated me and the whole crowd I think (except the Giant fants).
agree
same thing happened in the eagle game. you got to come out and do something
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