Giants Win Battle of Mediocre New York Football Teams
by John B on Dec 24, 2011 4:55 PM EST
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PrintThe Giants beat the Jets today in the Meadowlands 29-14 dropping Gang Green to 8-7 on the year and out of control of its own destiny for the Playoffs with one game left in the season. Both teams made plenty of mistakes and tried to give the game away to the other team. The Jets just wanted to lose more. Well that and their offense is really, really bad.
The Giants win bragging rights, and fans who actually care about such things will brag. More importantly, the Jets are now unlikely to make the Playoffs. Think back on this year, though. Is this really a good team? Does this team really deserve to make the Playoffs? Were you surprised by what happened today? I think you are lying if the answer to any of these questions is yes. During the fourth quarter, I think a lot of Giants fans should have been thinking the same thing.
Leave your thoughts below. I will have the official recap up soon.
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You beat me to it
Why was Sanchez throwing short routes all day. Running game looked decent. Sanchez 59 pass attempts. Shone Greene 14 rushing attempts nice job Schotty. And was it just me or was there at least 10 dropped passes where the balls were off receivers hands?
Fire Schotty and find some receivers and a pass rusher. Is it too late to get Braylan back ?
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We might have thrown 2 passes over 6 yards the whole game. At one point, it was 3rd and 12 and the giants safeties are playing 5 yards inside the first down marker. That’s just brutal
GET RIPPED
"We'll Win Tonight" - The Captain
"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
by Papa T on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't get it.
4th and two, throw deep. Got lucky with a holding penalty. Then down by 6, 5 1/2 left in the 4th on the 50. Three straight pass attempts. Dumb!!!
by J-E-T-S T-I-M on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
No one "deserves" anything.
I don’t like the use of that word.
If you get in the playoffs you are in. You earned it. There is no “should have” or anything of the sort. If Cincinnati loses and misses the playoffs, did they “deserve” it more? No.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
That’s fine. Substitute earn if you’d like. The Jets haven’t earned a Playoff trip.
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Sorry if it seems picky,
but it’s something that has always bothered me. Why would someone deserve a trip more than other team? The only time I can think is when a division leader is 7-9 and an 10-6 wild card team can’t make the playoffs. However, those are just the rules.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
I disagree.
Deserves means: plays the kind of football that “all things being equal” should get you a playoff spot. The KIND of football the Jets have played, especially when they get to important games, is HORRIBLE.
The L to the Eagles and to the Giants wasn’t just an L. It was some of the worst football I’ve seen in years.
So, if they play great next week and win, why would another team deserve it more?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
none of the teams that the Jets are competing with for the final spot “deserve” it more. They are all bad teams.
But that this kind of football can get you into the playoffs is an embarrassment.
You deserve it when you have your destiny in your control, and you control it.
I understand your logic,
but for some reason the word “deserve” just bothers me. Well, as long as you say no one else deserves it more, then I agree with you. None of us deserve the playoffs since we are bad teams.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Please don't
I don’t want to see a team take him and show us what he can do with any kind of coaching
If Sanchez deserves to be fired what does Schotty deserve?
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Death by decapitation
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fire Ryan, Fire Schotty, Fire Tannenbaum, Get rid of Sanchez!
I have never been som embarrassed as a Jets fan in my life! This game in a nutshell showed how decrepit of a QB we have! I hate Sanchez; he is absof**kinglutelytrash!
J-Kidd to D-Will
by femdig on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It dosent matter what you feel.
Rex, Sanchez, Tannenbaum all deserve to stay.
Halpy 2.0
Fire Dantoni
Still want the playoffs and it's not that absurd of a thing to happen.
Jets just have to beat the Phins and the rest of the parts will fall into place.
ELI WAS 9 OF 27!!
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:01 PM EST via Android app reply actions
With about 4 drops, 2 routes run incorrectly, a bunch of nice passes defensed by Revis, and two obvious PI's by Revis that were not called.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
If you want evidence to see why Schotty needs to be fired.
Go back and watch this whole game. The playcalling was the worst I’ve ever seen in a game. Empty backfields on 1st and 10, passing it every time in the redzone, empty backfields and passes on 2nd/3rd and shorts, 59 pass attempts for a mediocre to terrible QB at best, vintage Schotty.
The Giants defense had their ears pinned back all half 100% rushing the passer.
That really handicaps our offensive line. All of our passes were short which allows all the DBs to play the line of scrimmage. This handicaps our WR because they know a defender is always within 2 yards of them. Schotty is a cancer for this team, cut him out.
The Giants pass defense has been so bad,
of course you try to take advantage of that weakness. But not with slants, curls, and quick outs! They have been weak defending the intermediate 15-25 yard routes where they play a soft zone that guys like Matt Moore, Charlie Whitehurst, and Rex Grossman have abused the Giants DB’s.
And the running game was gashing the Giants repeatedly. 59 pass attempts, all of the short variety. Didn’t make sense to me.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Wide Recivers..
Santonio, Plax, and Keller are the most unmotivated players of all time…
Keep Santonio.. Trash Keller.
Halpy 2.0
Fire Dantoni
Not sure what was up with Keller, but he was out of it all game.
Either unmotivated or undisciplined, bad for him and the coaches.
What game were you watching???
Keller was doubled and tripled most of the day. Tone dropped balls that hit him in the hands. So did Keller so did Plax.
And can the O line not hold jump off sides in critical situations just once?
Holmes was a horrible choice to lead this team he is a clown. That may be Rexs biggest mistake.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's almost like when things start going bad
Plax and Tone seem to lose interest in the game. I don’t know what to say about Keller but the only guy who stays in the game is Kerley.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
It's too bad.
The Jets really could have won if they were committed to passing the ball.
A few points I have to make about this game and this season. Before I say anything else, I just want to point out that we should not be a playoff team based on our performance this year.
1. The run is working. If Rex is going to talk about “Ground and Pound,” he should actually do it.
2. We bring every single play down to the 1 second mark on the play clock, which makes it much easier for the pass rushers to get to Sanchez.
3. Nobody on our offense gets any separation. Every completion Mark makes is into very tight coverage and he really has to thread the needle to get anything done.
4. Our offense is based on a short passing game that only serves to expose our QB’s greatest weakness. He is not that accurate of a passer, and forcing him to make tight throws every play is not a good idea.
5. Eric Smith needs to go. He can’t cover, he is slow, and if he doesn’t put a big hit on someone he isn’t that great of a tackler.
6. We commit some of the worst penalties of any team I have ever seen. That is on the coaches.
Pool came back in
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
With his range?
I’m surprised the Jets haven’t tried that yet.
Is this really a good team? Does this team really deserve to make the Playoffs? Were you surprised by what happened today? I think you are lying if the answer to any of these questions is yes
In all honesty I say yes, and I still think that. I might just be too much of an optimist though.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions
In that case I'd say no
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
lol of all those teams the jets have the hardest time winning next week
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We have the tiebreaker over them
So you sir are wrong!
by michael28102 on Dec 24, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you get it.
SD was alive for the division (if they lose they are not), so when they play the Raiders next week (who we want to lose), they would be playing for the playoffs.
Now SD will be playing for nothing.
Knocking Oakland out of it is something.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Of course.
Huge difference in motivation.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
maybe theyll be playing for norv
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
whos sd playing next week
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
home or away
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Both teams we need to lose from the AFC west
are home
by michael28102 on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
how bout cincy
and does tenn matter?
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes
They play Houston on the road.
Cincy is home
by michael28102 on Dec 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
do the jets own a tiebreaker with tenn
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
this is the best up to the minute playoff picture reference.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace
hover over the teams for details.
I can't believe this team is still alive after the last 2 games.
If we back door into the playoffs…what a joke.
Come on...
We all know what’s coming. The Jets will win next week and make the playoffs. They’ll go into Houston and scrape out a close game. Then they’ll go to Pittsburgh and win. Then they’ll fly into Baltimore and beat the Ravens only to lose in the Super Bowl to the 49ers.
You heard it here first.
I disagree.
It’s a mediocre team. One that is a product of its system.
I would not be surprised if the Jets made the playoffs and won in the first round (I was kidding about the rest). However, I’m rooting for whatever gets Schottenheimer fired. Seriously.
The Jets are not "bad."
The Colts are bad. The Rams are bad. The Jets are mediocre.
That is, unless we have different understandings of ‘bad’ and ‘mediocre.’
Very much so.
Tons of penalties. Absurd turnovers. Inability to take advantage of the other team’s mistakes. Lacking any continuity of performance. Players not being on the same page this late in the season…
<<<<< all signs of a BAD team.
Don't disagree.
Those are signs of a bad team; however, when you factor in the Jets’ roster, they are elevated (if you will) to a mediocre team.
If the Jets are bad, then what are the Colts? Putrid?
Ah, you are using the “potential” (fantasy league) argument.
See, we keep running into that.
They ARE a bad team.
They have lots of potential, but your eyes show you that they ARE a bad team.
Football isn’t played on paper (or on a highlight reel).
No, I'm not.
I’m using their performance as an indicator of the team. Bad teams aren’t 8-7. The Jets are a mediocre team.
You still haven’t answered my question: If the Jets are a bad team, what does that make the Jaguars? How about the Browns? And the Rams?
Horrible teams.
The Jets are a “bad team”.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That might literally be the worst case scenario.
If we make it that far, Schotty probably stays on. And this team needs better than the 31st pick of the draft. By far.
TRIVIA TIME. See if you can find the answer to each number.
1. 67
2. 54
3. 9
4. 33
5. 25
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
ok
1. Number of People calling for Shotty’s head
2. Number of people calling for Sanchez’s Head
3. Number of People calling for Rexs head
4. Number of the worst player on the team
5. IDK
by michael28102 on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
1. Sanchez
2.
3. Eli’s completions
4.
5. Total running back carries for the Jets in todays game
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
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Marks attempts
Marks rating
Mr “Elite” completions
His completion %
NUmber of rushes we had
Proud member of the fire Brian Schottenheimer club
"Grunt and Punt offense"
"To all the nonbelievers..."
You knew the game when you got into it
"Planing for Manning"
by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
This might be good, because things need to change
Shotty has to go, throwing that many passes when the run was working okay? Inexcusable. You really can’t make excuses for Sanchez though. He misses a wide open McKnight, he holds the ball too long, he throws picks and he inexplicably fumbles on the goal line. That’s about as bad as the position can be played. There’s very little progress. He’s a league average to slightly below average QB and that’s all he’s ever going to be. Plax needs to go too, his whole game is based on border line offensive PI, just too slow to be a starting WR. And Eric Smith needs to be cut and should have been cut. They stupidly neglected to draft a safety this year when that was a big need. Maybe next draft they’ll wake up there.
This isn't the first time he's done this
I’m still pissed about the Buffalo game 3 years ago when the jets ran for 300+ and threw the ball over 40 times and had 6 interceptions (one by the punter)
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
In Sanchez’s defense, guys weren’t getting open and the fumble wasn’t on him, it was on Mangold. He didn’t play great, but he shouldn’t be asked to throw 50+ times.
Definitely not 50+, and no way in hell 60+
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Especially when they are not getting blown out
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like he's a completely different passer than last year
Last year, he would toss the ball down the sideline to edwards all the time, and the slant was used as a first down weapon, not an every fucking pass option. He’s completely different from where he was last year.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I think he has seriously lost confidence.
He has always been a confidence player, and Schotty’s handling of him, trying to turn him into a short, precision passer has destroyed him.
Completely agree
Schotty is so bad, i want to see what he can do with a good OC.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
But you cannot miss a wide open McKnight there
You just can’t if you’re a pro QB.
Eli missed Cruz in the endzone
Whats that make him? Also pro QBs don’t test Revis
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
not unless ur from harvard
like fitzpatrick
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Fumble wasn't his fault Mangold snapped the ball off his own thigh.
Don’t pin that on Sanchez. Today sanchez hit his receivers in the hands and in the face mask too and they dropped passes ran bad routes and pushed off bad corners on well thrown balls in the end zone.
Jets receivers think more about post play celebrations and gestures than they do about running crisp routes catching the ball and running after the catch.
Game in a nutshell. 13 yard completion to Plax is a catch and fall.
11 yard completion to Victor Cruz is a 99 yard touchdown
Eli was 9 for 27 with a TE and a pick.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I honestly don't even think Mark was that bad today
He wasn’t good, but only an elite QB could have had success today
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions
I don't even think an elite QB could with the way the Jets played
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
That's what you need to win a SB these days and Sanchez ain't it.
They days of a “game managing” QB winning a SB are over.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
It takes more than 3 years to become elite
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't shown me anything that he's on his way to that level.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not willing to invest another three years to find out either. I'll gladly cut bait after this season.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I am
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
We'll just have to agree to disagree there
I still think he could become one
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe anyone can watch Sanchez today and say he wasn't terrible.
That blows my mind. It’s not just the inaccuracy, it’s the backpedaling crap where there’s no play and he takes sacks, it’s giving up on his downfield receivers and always checking down, there’s so much more to why he sucks than just his crappy numbers.
Take off the homer glasses man.
He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn in the second half, he could have avoided at least half of the sacks he took, the safety should never have happened under any circumstances, both INTs were just… just awful.
I thought he only had one pick?
He’s definitely a mediocre QB, but I don’t think a good QB wins us that game
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
A good QB knows when receivers are going to be open coming out of their breaks.
That alone cures the whole “none of our receivers get any separation!” problem. When Sanchez tries to do it, it’s a dropped interception; when Rodgers does it, it’s a catch and like 10 YAC. I seriously doubt that the Giants DBs were playing THAT amazing of coverage, as well as every other team we’ve played this year that has shut down our passing offense. A good QB knows when it’s time to throw the ball away instead of try to roll out of the pocket and extend it like he’s Ben Roethlisberger or something. A good QB doesn’t throw it right into the DL’s outstretched hands on every other damn pass attempt. etc. etc.
How much succes do you really think a good QB would have had?
They knew we were passing, our WRs were consistently getting separation, they were able to get better pass rush because they knew we were passing, and they were sitting on a lot of our routes.
I think a good Qb would have ignored his OC and called more run plays though.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
There's only so much you can do when your OC sucks, I agree
But you have to remember that we were only down 3 points for what seemed like a large portion of the game.
gah accidentally posted that too early
also made me forget the point I was gonna make, god damn it
Attacking an awful secondary with a great QB is smart, but with an average Qb not so much
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Excatly
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
THERE YOU GO!
Being down 3 points the Giants still have to respect the run. A good QB takes advantage of that and beats up on their depleted secondary.
He said great not good
I consider them different
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez definetly could have been better
But if your QB is playing bad, you don’t throw 59 times
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Again, agreed
We should have run the ball WAY WAY more earlier when we were down just one score, particularly because it was effective.
The thing is that it’s obvious that Schotty tries to give Sanchez really simple reads, which makes things that much more difficult for the receivers because the defense knows that there’s only so much that they have to look out for. If Sanchez was better, that’s not the case. So the bad playcalling just makes Sanchez’s mediocrity that much more apparent basically.
Schotty needs to take blame for Sanchez' lack of development
But I agree with you on everything else but the simple reads are pretty easy to defend when thats all you do
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
So it was Sanchez dropping balls that hit him in the hands?
He also designed the plays that have his receivers running 3 yard routes.
Just watched mike Vick complete a 22 yard pass with nothing but time to throw. Why does it look like all elite QBs have all day to throw the ball and thier receivers pick up yards after the catch?
How much time did Alex smith get to be better? What about Eli? Still Sanchez third year. He needs a new OC new qb coach and two new receivers and some O line help
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
29 actually
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you don't need an elite QB
You just need a good team and good coaching. We have a pretty good team but the coaching stinks.
Jenkins made a very good point
A lot of leadership Rex had in the Championship runs came from the team he inherited.
Like who?
Sanchez?
Tomlinson?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Jenkins never played. Mangold and Harris i'll give you, but Harris isn't a leader, he's just a great player
the only real loss of leadership is T-Rich and he was in his 2nd year with the team. Bart Scott is still the leader of the D, along with Revis.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Anybody worth a damn on this team is from the Mangini regime
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Is Mangold really a leader or is he just a great player?
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
like faneca, woody, t rich, tj
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess they didn't want to lead for Mangini or Edwards.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
The veteran presence combined with Rex bravado was a GREAT combination.
But those vets are gone. Now it is just bragging.
Fanaca and TJ were gone last year
and the team had it’s best season. Rex makes this team, some of the pieces he inherited are great, and some suck!!!
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
8-7 with a chance to go 9-7
Just as good as when Fanaca was here, and a lot better than when Mangini was getting himself fired.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Or maybe we just had better players the past two years?
Our receiving corps was WAY better last year. Woody is so much better than Hunter it’s like we’ve been playing with only 4 OL this year. We have the worst fumble luck of all time whereas the past two years we’ve had significantly above-average fumble luck. Our safety corps is worse this year. We haven’t actually improved anywhere on the field at all. Veteran players and former players love to make a big f***in’ deal about leadership and whatnot, and of course it helps to have good leaders in the locker room, but at the end of the day it comes down to talent, and we’ve lost a lot of it.
The team he inherited was way horrendous before Rex got here.
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The team he inherited was way horrendous before Rex got here.
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty easily still...
Although we don’t control our own destiny, Cinci has to beat Baltimore and Baltimore will be playing for 2nd seed. If they lose, it’ll be 5th most likely. They’ll be bringing their A game for sure.
Oh wait...
I appear to have forgotten about Oakland and Denver.
Well, on the bright side… I think we might get a new OC!
Thing is
besides 1 play, this is the best defense has played all year.
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me- Denzel Washington
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? - Omar Little
The Giants defense can't defend the pass at all
But having a mediocre QB isn’t going to be able to attack them through the air. Anytime Sanchez throws more than 10 yards the reciever is either by himself or you’re holding your breath that the ball isn’t intercepted. I guess next year will be the same, it is only his 4th year, he’ll develop and quit making bad decisions and the Jets will be champions, but how many really believe that? I think you give Sanchez 1 more year, if the decisions don’t improve and the accuracy issues continue then I say cut ties and look for someone better, I mean you can’t do a whole lot worse since what he basically does is what other teams call game manager.
Are both the Giants and Jets on at 1:00 PM next Sunday?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
giant r on nbc i think
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tom Clements
should be our next offensive coordinator and if not him Norv Turner might be a good choice. Enough of this 5 yard passing game on every play. We were running the ball great and yet the idiot abandoned the running game.
We must replace Schottenheimer and Cavanagh and bring in real offensive coaches from outisde the organization. Our entire offensive set up is embarrassing. It is constant passes of 5 yards or less.
I have said this before but I will repeat it again. Our offense is so easy to play against because we condense the field on ourselves. We play like we are in the red zone at all times, we have no intention of throwing deep and opening up or offense where the defense has to defend the whole field. All opposing defenses have to do is defend 10 yards.
If we got Tom Clements I'd jump for joy
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Clements
would be a fantastic choice. Rodgers swears by the guy and he can bring a Green Bay type of offensive plan which is what we need. Sanchez will never be the QB we need as long as he is coached by Schottenheimer and the equally inept Cavanagh.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would really love to see Pennington brought in to coach Sanchez
And have a hat with plays on pieces of paper be the offense’s playcaller.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
My dick > Jets offense
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Everything to have ever existed>Jets O
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying much there.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Exactly
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
If your dick could talk and had Asperger's it would be better then him,
it would prob call better plays then Schotty.
That's pretty funny
A dick with aspergers
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
Rex Ryan defense backed
up its trash talk, just Schotty was so ridiculous with the play calling on offense.
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me- Denzel Washington
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? - Omar Little
Go Cowboys next week
seriously fuck the Giants and their fans.
Why what are they saying
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
They are saying
that they own the town which they do because we suck.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Manish
Rex Ryan on Sanchez’s 59 pass attempts: "We’re obviously not built that kind of game.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions
jeez rex no kidding
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
At least he's finally starting to realize there is a problem
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow Rex. Welcome to the world of GGN for the past 3 years.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
4 years
I was complaining about Schotty in 2008 before this site had any readers.
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I've been complaining about him since we hired him man!
“Oh great, Martyball time”
Really I didn't know that at all
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
No shit sherlock! Why didn't he tell Schotty that at halftime?
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
59 passes
and I bet 53 of them went 10 yards or less.
blame the o line also
sanchez had no time at all
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not the OLines fault. They were getting pass rushed all game because
we weren’t even threatening to run the ball 90% of the time.
it was actually 67 pass plays.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Brandon Jacobs called Rex a loudmuth basterd
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions
Brandon Jacobs is an asshole
Always has been, always will be. And he sucks.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Jacobs is such an ass I hate that guy
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
jacobs hasnt done anything in 4 years
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pot calling the kettle black
from the biggest hypocrite crybaby in the NFL. Go throw another helmet into the stands! He was the #1 reason I didn’t want the Giants to win this game because I KNEW he would say something.
by winnebagosun on Dec 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hope the cowboys just whip up the giants
This game was disgusting to watch. 59 PASS ATTEMPTS!!!!! Brutal. Schotty ruined Christmas. Jets are pathetic. But I like where we stand draft-wise… good spot to draft a monster.
by jets4life24 on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
romo got hurt though
might be tough
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kris Jenkins is owning it on SNY right now
I want him on our coaching staff pronto.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Why what's he saying
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Basically saying its a problem when Rex is the toughest guy on the team
Saying they dont have the guys who can back up the trash talk and I agree.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Revis can back up his trash talk
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Revis isnt really the guy talking trash though
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
The only guys really talking trash were Cro and Tone
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
Why?
He would show up the first day, jump in a golf cart, and blow out his knee.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Thats not really fair, guy didnt want to be injured
He was a pretty solid presence before he went down.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
What year was that?
He was hurt every one he was here.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
He wasnt bad in 08
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His only good year
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
So Jenkins going down with injuries makes him a bad player or an unlucky one?
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Nope. just a stupid one
How do you not wear a knee brace when you have knee problems, and you play the line? Is it going to slow you down too much? I don’t want a guy that dumb on my coaching staff. he may be really tallented, but he’s an idiot.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I never said that, do you ever read what I say?
I said it was his only good year, its hard to have a good year and be a leader when you’re watching from home.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, it was just a question
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actually i think he was
towards the end of the season
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He got hurt
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
He played 1 year
and got paid for 3. he’s the king of getting injured. And i do blame him. If my knee blew out, i would wear a knee brace to the fucking grocery store. he never wore one.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I'm so done with Shotty
Oh and if anyone sold their tickets to a giants fan, you should be ashamed. It wasn’t a Jets home game, it was a Giants one with the amount of fans there were
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
Well I'd like to apologize in advance
For any ignorant Giant fans.
I won’t apologize for the win though haha.
It was good chatting with you guys.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
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Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
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Don't worry about it. Thanks for the question and answer.
On another note… Our team sucks worse than yours does. Because after that game, we both know our teams suck.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
You don't have to apologize for them we know there just jerks
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Thanks, but if I were a Giants fan I wouldnt be too impressed with today either
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The thing that sucks is we see that because the jets lost, they just see a win. The giants did not play a good game at all today
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is the REAL reason behind the FAILURE we call the Jets?
I don’t think it is a player, or coach (well, it definitely could be SCHOTTY), but it is just the severe LACK of desire that the Jets have as a team and an organization to win games. If they wanted to win, they would make it happen. They simply just dont want to win. Whether desire is instilled by fear, its all good to me, there needs to be a QB that we pick up that will challenge Sanchez for the starting position instead of having a walking fossil in Brunell to try and motivate him.
This
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
What the hell does "challenging" him gonna do?
He’s either the guy or he isnt. If he’s not the guy, find another guy.
what does "challenging" him do?
is he not motivated? is he a lazy player with poor work habits?
Seriously, what is it going to do? Sanchez is known to be hard working and he already takes his losses hard enough. This isn’t Jamarcus Russell.
You can’t pin the loss all on the QB when there is poor execution up and down the offensive unit. Calling for Sanchez or a “back up” to challenge him is just a stupid gut reaction from this loss. There needs to be a culture change, and that starts at the top.
You really think the jets don’t want to win. Con on man
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You really think the jets don’t want to win. Con on man
by dawg1331 on Dec 24, 2011 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what tiebreaker do they lose with tennesee
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Common opponent
The Jets Strength of Victory is horrible.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
right now our strength of victory is
.402 and TEN is .373 but Houston is a good team, and Miami not.
so they dont necesserily need tenn to lose
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
After today
Tenn is at 375 and we’re at 398. But Tennessee has a better record against common opponents.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I have different stats.
But you have to also factor in strength of victory including HOU (who TEN would beat) and us vs. Miami (who we would beat).
Espn.com
it updated for today’s results.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Tennessee's common opponents
Baltimore
Denver
Buffalo
Tennessee won all 3.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
but i think its a minimum of 4
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I might be missing one
But it’s common opponents. Don’t think there is a minimum. Tennessee has to lose next week, along with Cincy and Oakland or Denver.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
AFC tiebreakers:
• Baltimore is the AFC North leader ahead of Pittsburgh based on head to head (2-0).
• Denver is the AFC West leader ahead of Oakland based on common games (6-5 to the Raiders’ 5-6).
• Oakland finishes ahead of N.Y. Jets and Tennessee based on strength of victory (.453 to the Jets’ .402 and the Titans’ .373).
• N.Y. Jets finish ahead of Tennessee based on strength of victory (.402 to the Titans’ .373).
• Buffalo finishes ahead of Kansas City based on head to head (1-0).
• Cleveland finishes ahead of Jacksonville based on head to head (1-0).
Hey, you are RIGHT! updated
AFC tiebreakers:
• Baltimore is the AFC North leader ahead of Pittsburgh based on head to head (2-0).
• Denver is the AFC West leader ahead of Oakland based on common games (6-5 to the Raiders’ 5-6).
• Oakland finishes ahead of N.Y. Jets and Tennessee based on strength of victory (.453 to the Jets’ .402 and the Titans’ .373).
• Tennessee finishes ahead of N.Y. Jets based on common games (4-1 to the Jets’ 3-2).
• Buffalo finishes ahead of Kansas City based on head to head (1-0).
• Cleveland finishes ahead of Jacksonville based on head to head (1-0).
Oak or Denver
But Cinci and Ten have to lose.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Interesting.
I guess they’d make up the 0.029 with a win over the Texans.
If Oak or Ten don't lose then game over because they have the tiebreakers over Jets.
Jets have tiebreaker over Cincy.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
since when do they have a tiebreaker over cincy
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Oakland wins, we need Denver to lose. We've all got the same record. If Denver and Oakland win, we're done.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
to put it bluntly " we are a shadow of our former self "
this team needs major heart surgery this off season , because we have only a handful of guys showing heart all year . i feel sorry for the defence having to carry what must be one of the worst offences in football . they make bad defences look great
if its for you it won't pass you
Agreed, like in boxing when you're in too many brutal fights, this team is "shot"...
Rebuild the whole thing. On ESPN I think it was Ditka who said the Jets are one of the “slowest” teams he’s seen in the league. Thanks for saying the obvious!
by winnebagosun on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Team speed
I agree that we have very few fast players on this team and that is a big problem. Against the Eagles who are fast as heck we looked incredibly slow.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
WE do have many holes
no pass rush, bad offensive line and the worst safties ever.
safeties werent so horrible today.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pouha is faster than Eric Smith
I bet he could play safety better than Smith who is a stiff.
by bklynbrewcrew on Dec 24, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Leonhard makes that tackle on Cruz
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Leonhard could have made that tackle even with his injury
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
cromartie played well too
except hes gotta take a knee on the kickoff
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah Revis and Cro were all over there recievers today
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
He did pull a Cromartie on that missed tackle on Cruz.
He whimpered to where he thought the tackle would be made instead of actually going through the ball carrier. 11 yard catch, turned into an 88 yard embarrassment.
The HC isnt very good either
He doesnt hold anybody accountable.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
that's because he's too damn loyal
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
That is a big problem though
If he doesnt have the cojones to make changes, he isnt ready to be a HC.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
He isn't ready to be a HC but do see anyone that could come in immediately and help us at HC
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Promote Schotty dammit
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
uh that's a joke right?
because if not, you’ve seriously lost all credibility here…
Well the guy has a horribly designed offense that doesn't play to his strengths
A Oline that doesn’t protect him
Receivers who don’t get separation make plays or get separation.
And when the Jets loose its his fault but when they win it’s the defense. Lol. If I were him I would call people out too and not subtly.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
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by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think he is a good QB right now. A lot of it is how he has been used, but he has evolved into a bad QB.
he's someone that had to be coached up into a QB
Aaron Rodgers was coached up. Sanchez is being coached down to crap.
It’s really just a poor culture really and it starts with this offense. Schotty plays the game afraid to lose, never trusting his players. There is no confidence in the offensive coaching unit and it’s obvious and this trickles down all the way to the players and even perhaps the defense.
There needs to be a change in culture.
sanchez is a stand up guy
cant blame him when Schotenheimer and Cavanagh are coaching him.
How many incompletions did he throw?
What can the coaches do with that?
Stop throwing and run the damn ball
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 24, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
And he cant stretch the field
Its as if we have a stupid version of Pennington under center.
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by YankeesJets on Dec 24, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he can't stretch the field?
or is the game plan not designed to stretch the field?
Hmm…why does it look like we have a stupid version of Pennington? Is it because we have a OC that is using the same dink and dunk offense for the past 6 years? This team hasn’t been stretching the field since the days of Pennington, so don’t blame that crap on Sanchez.
that's funny...
they say the same thing about Eli. And yet the Giants win.
GROUND AND POUND
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Each teams with the top 3 QBs in the league
And Without BS.
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
So let's find one instead of sticking with the mediocre one we got.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Tell that to the Broncos and the 49ers
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
They MIGHT get as far as the Jets have gotten with it.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets have done pretty good the last 2 years with ground and pound
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
I guess, if you're satisfied with the results. But you need something to get over the edge and ground and pound ain't it as we are witnessing this season.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 24, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Is passing 67 times ground and pound
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Dec 24, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
People giving Sanchez pass after pass are insane
The guy is more problem than solution.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Yes, but the Schotty is also giving Sanchez pass after pass
67 dropbacks today, in fact! They both need to go man.
I am all for that but unless Schotty becomes a HC I bet they are both back.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Sanchez will definitely be back.
I hope like hell we get either a veteran or draft somebody to push him.
I get the feeling Rex is fed up with Schotty from some of his comments.
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What?
Sanchez sucks, but you’re standing up for Schotty now?
Hell no.
But there’s a lot of shit that the kid just flat misses on. Guys are open and he misses. What can you do with that?
That's what I thought.
I had feared you’d lost your damn mind.
You guys make it seem he was missing guys left and right and that just isn't true
He was making a good number of passes in the first half. The problem is the more completions he makes, the more Schotty wants him to throw the ball and that’s when shit goes downhill. Sanchez should be attempting at the most 25 passes a game. that’s what this offense is built to do.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
You guys make it seem he was missing guys left and right and that just isn’t true
I have to disagree. 29 incompletions today.
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29 incompletions from how many pass attempts?
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
60
which is a very poor completion percentage.
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hey
at least he was over 50%
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by NJ Champ on Dec 24, 2011 5:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not saying Sanchez is a great QB
I’m just saying he’s not as bad as people say he is.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
And all the sacks he ran himself into. He created a lot of pressure on himself. With that dumbass backpedal he does. Simple slide left/right and he’s fine. But no, jackass panics and makes a mountain out of a mole-hill.
You know what?
That back pedal move worked great last year when he was breaking tackles against the Browns and the Texans. I don’t remember anyone complaining about him doing that stuff then.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
Its stupid. Ever see someone complete a pass off a back pedal? You’re not in a position to throw. You have to slide in the pocket, run away or throw it away.
I saw Favre complete passes like that!
Also complete a lot of interceptions like that…
Okay you guys are right
Sanchez sucks and the Jets are doomed as long as he’s leading the team.
Have a Merry Christmas.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
I think Sanchez has the stuff to be a very good QB, but he has been turned into a bad one by a lot of factors, most of them having to do with Schotty.
I’m just not sure how long it would take to reverse all that he has gone through.
He needs QB camp in the offseason
Like Green Bay has with their QBs. Plz Tom Clements be our new OC!!!
It wouldn't do a thing as along as he is forced
into trying to become Joe Montana by Schotty.
He just is not a touch, precision passer. It is not his strength.
There's a difference between throwing a ball that's catchable and throwing an accurate pass
Sanchez threw balls that were catchable that weren’t caught today, and that’s on the receivers, yes. But those are also on Sanchez, because if he puts them in better spots, there’s a higher chance that they’re caught, plus there’s more opportunity for yards after the catch as well. That’s what separates the Rodgers/Bradys/Breeses of the world from the ordinary QBs that complete for high percentages.
I’ve said it a few times already actually, completion percentage really doesn’t mean s*** when you’re looking at it by itself. You can go like 30/36 in a game but if you get just 170 yards out of it and two of those incompletions are actually interceptions, you really haven’t helped your team do anything at all, have you?
How many dropped passes? How many times was the line pushed into his face?
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Dec 24, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schotty was awful today, my question is why did Rex not reel him in at the half?
Christ, his father wouldve been over there throwing punches at Schotty.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Well i think that Shotty is officially done by end of year. as for sanchez he has one more year to prove himself.
also rex needs to shut the hell up and start winning games
Im thinking Rex should get one more year also
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
i don't know what happened
but damn everything. i realy don’t know what to say any more? i just want some cnages and a nice off season. lets not trade the only decent saftey we had, like we did with lowery, and lets not replace a awesome deep threat with someone fresh out of jail. last but not least, lets fire that son of a bitch that has been the reason this O has sucked all year long. schotty better be gone. now lets look toward the draft
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Look forward to the draft?
The drafts under Rex have been awful.
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Those guys are average at best
Wilson and Mo are not living up to their draft position in my opinion. But both are young and have plenty of years to prove me wrong
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Wilks has actually played pretty well this year so I don't know what you are talking about and Kerley looks like a very promising reciever
it just sounds like your very angry about our loss which is understandable
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They are both practically second round picks
End of the first round picks are usually not much better than 2nd round picks. All the elite talent is gone in the first 20 picks of the draft if not before then. They’re performing perfectly well for their draft spots.
aweful?
is kerley aweful? how bout mcknight? greene? wilkerson? wilson? please i know you are angry, but that doesn’t mean we can’t look forward to the draft
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These guys are so great, they have us looking forward to the draft in December
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That would be Sanchez.
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Im not a Sanchez guy but deep down, its the depth that killed this team
Depth that wasnt picked up in previous drafts.
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This team has been pretty healthy for the most part relative to other teams. Maybe the depth isn’t good, but I think quarterback play is the real culprit this season.
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I agree but if there was a backup QB to push him, maybe he would grow a bit
Rex pretty much told him that he is QB no matter what.
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This I agree with.
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I'm not sure. He has been pampered his whole career
including college.
I’m not sure how he would respond.
This team has a HELL of a lot of problems...
QB play is just one of them…if you think that the “real culprit” is QB play and everything else is great I’m really not sure how you run the jets blog…I’m actually really tired of people being so down on Sanchez hes an upper middle of the pack QB but there really isn’t anyone better for us to get(And we have so many other holes that would be so much easier to fill, sure we could take a chance on drafting a QB with a high round pick but if we gamble and loose we are going to put ourselves back another three years or more). We didn’t pick up depth at RT, Safety (We actually traded Lowery away for a bag of balls), pass rush….Every single Jets fan knew what we needed to get this off season and we got none of it…nothing….we got nothing at all on our list. Our team is worse then the last two years, how is that the fault of QB play? Sanchez shouldn’t be throwing the ball 60 times a game…if the O.C. wasn’t such a #%$#$% and didn’t try to play him like Peyton Manning he would do just fine. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, do appreciate the wonderful blog you run here, you normally do an amazing job, but I expected more from you than to just take the easy way out and scapegoat Sanchez for the season, your journalistic opinion is normally better than that…
also
the drafts form that tmie are going to be better when you have the 14th pick, not the 30th
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That just isnt true
In that case Alex Smith went #1 while Rodgers went in the 20s. Which guy are you going with.
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I get what you're saying
and it isn’t always the case, but there’s a reason the league gives better picks to teams with bad records.
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True but where a guy gets picked guarantees nothing
Its all about whoever is scouting these guys. Even in baseball, you could argue this. Pirates and Rays always picked at the top for a long time, one made great picks and is competing in a tough division while the other is still godawful.
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Don't forget Slauson
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sorry
forgot him. our drafts have been fine. they haven’t been as good as the 06-08 drafts, but no one has been a bust like ghost
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he was a late 2nd, not the 6th pick of the draft
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vernon gholston anyone?
speaking of him… where has maybin been the last 3 weeks
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There have been lots of terrible picks though
Bilal, Vlad, Ellis, who cant even see the field. Im sure there are more that im forgetting(I wonder why)
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Bilal and Ellis
are rookies. Calm down.
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Ellis cant even get on the field, who has this staff developed that makes you think he will be some awesome player next year?
Maybin is more of a product of not being used correctly in Buffalo, so cross him off.
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maybin has done nothing for 3 weeks
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Thank you finally someone admits Kenrick isn't that great
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But I think all the guys you mentioned including Kenrick will eventually be good players
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wow
bilal is a 4th round rookie who has 3 rb’s in front of him. mckinght wasn’t good last year, he’s doing well now. ellis is a rookie out of hampton, seriously. vlad was a bad pick, but hey, you are going to have one
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Instead of grabbing Bilal who looks god awful, why not get some safety of line depth?
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or maybe dont let lowery or coleman go
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because
in the late 4th round, you go for bpa. and like i said, mcknight was bad last year. give him time
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Coaching staffs dont have a thing called time, they need to get it done quickly
Sorry, I am not a fan of the drafts since Rex has been here. Mangini did a much better job evaulating talent. You could bring up Ghoulston, but its not like he was the only one in on him around that slot. It wasnt like a head scratching Ted Ginn pick.
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look below
all in 06
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since we were so good at drafting before rex, do you know how anthony schlaegel, our 2nd round pick, kellen clemens, also a 2nd round pick and eric smith, a 3rd rounder, are doing? and you are complaining about a rookie 4th rounder who has 3 rb’s in ahead of him
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Go back and look at the players Mangini drafted from 06-08
Now compare the drafts of 09-11, its not close. And Revis was not picked in 06.
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i know that
but, you are looking at those drafts in 06 now. if you evaluate those drafts one year later, like 07, you wouldn’t see much. you have to give it time
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Those guys made an impact pretty quickly, Im not seeing that with Rexs guys
Perhaps its the coaching. Mangini at least held everybody accountable.
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Penalties!
It’s hard to run on 1st and 15. Schotty wasn’t the one who kept making the false starts (although I guess the lack of discipline is his responsibility to some degree).
Ok people, i dunno if anyone reaized this...
But sanchez just tied the jets single season record for total TDs. and hes having a better season than hes ever had and hes only gonna get better. Hes not stagnant, and if you were thinking to yourself that this guy was gonna get us a ring in less than three years when we drafted him in 09 then you are incredibly dumb.
Can we stop saying hes the root of our problems?
Things I blame for THIS SEASON (not this game):
Schotty for not knowing how to run an offense.
Eric Smith… enough said
That O-line that causes Sanchez to have no time whatsoever in the pocket. Ill admit that Sanchez sucks when hes forced out of the pocket, but he never gets any time in it.
Keller and Holmes (and kinda Burress) because they all have no awareness whatsoever.
Our pass rush, or lack thereof.
Our run defense at the start of the season, who made BenJarvus look like Adrian Peterson and RunDMC probably woulda rewritten every single season rushing record in existence if he faced it twice and stayed healthy.
There are other things too but two guys that receive more heat than they should are Rex and Sanchez.
You are looking at stats
I suggest you watch the games, Sanchez looks uncomfortable and holds on to the ball way too long. He isnt mature enough to throw the ball away.
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he throws the ball away too much
if you ask me.
And sanchez looks uncomfortable because whenever we face a team with a semi decent pass rush he has to get rid of it before the WRs finish their routes.
Ive never seen sanchez unnecessarily scramble.
He scrambles all the time though.
You just can’t tell because he scrambles further into the backfield instead of actually moving forward.
He does have that happy feet label on him
It seemed gone for a bit, but it looks like it is back.
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You haven't watched the games
Saying Sanchez holds on to the ball too long is ridiculous. Do you want him to throw into coverage? You would be the first to complain if he does that. If the Jets want to use the short pass with corners playing press, the receivers won’t be free. If you want the Jets to throw down the field, they need the time for the play to develop. Sanchez isn’t given times. Saying he holds the ball to long is stupid. What do you want him to do in that situation? He doesn’t hold the ball any longer than any QB in the league. You say you watch the games, but if you saw the game today you would have seen Manning held on to the ball just as long and he had 9 completions.
The Jets lost today because of the consistent pressure they faced in the 2nd half. Yea, the fumble was huge, but the Jets scored off Eli’s turnover. When Sanchez dropped back on the safety, his foot was already at the goal line wit the 3 step drop. There was no avoiding the safety. The Giants had lots of defensive backs on that play, and the rush still got to Sanchez.
Did you watch him go down for the safety today?
He holds the ball too long or he throws into coverage too quickly.
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Intentional Grounding
Would have happened no matter what. He was still in the tackle box. Hes not gonna throw the ball out of bounds and he certainly wasn’t going to throw it away with safeties playing deep.
You keep on saying he held on to the ball. What did you want him to do? Please enlighten me. The play was poorly drawn and the protection was even worse.
You are contradicting yourself
He throws into coverage too quickly and holds onto the ball? You can’t do both.
Like I already asked you, what did you want Sanchez to do on the safety? You aren’t answering the question. Thats a safety no matter what. If Sanchez throws the ball away its an INT or intentional grounding.
Im sorry, I was wrong. That Sanchez kid is all kinds of awesome.
Im sure Schotty wants the kid to screw up so he can lose his job. There are times Sanchez holds the ball way too long. Every analyst that actually knows the game has been saying it forever. Other times he doesnt read the coverage correctly and then you have what they call an interception.
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right
every analyst also said tebow can’t play qb, lt will be a bust, and so on. don’t trust analysts
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How has Tebow looked the past two weeks?
Sanchez is more lucky than good.
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that is not true
wait until he has a decent cordinator. as we saw with the niners, a good offensive mind can make anyone good, even alex smith.
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If you say he holds on to the ball
You’re going to have to prove it with something other than in-game talks from color commentators.
To prove such a point, you have to get actual stats on this. How long does Sanchez wait in the pocket before he throws the ball? How open are his receivers while he is holding on to the ball? You need to analyze every single starting QB in the NFL then compile the numbers. From my estimation, Sanchez is at the league average which is decent considering his receivers usually run short routes in heavy traffic.
His TD totals are deceptive
How many rushing TDs has he stolen from Greene now? We’ve thrown for TDs from within like 5 yards out how many times now? Greene could probably be leading the league in rushing TDs if we’d dared to try running in those situations.
rex thinks we will win the SB .... get real
if this jets team was a porn star , not only would he not get an erection but he would end up shitting the bed .
rex your a big man in size , now you need to make big decions about your future . he has felt his way around this job like a blindman at an orgy . shape up or ship out
if its for you it won't pass you
Schotty Schotty Schotty!
It is getting old. He isn’t gereat but what does he have to work with, what kind of plays do you call when the QB is inconsistant? Kurt Warner said, Sanchez can make all the throws, the problem is he can’t repeat them and do it on a consistant basis. And 59% completion percentage is horrible considering 80%+ of the pass plays are less than 7 yards, in fact it isn’t just abad it is piss poor. Besides, get rid of Schotty then we have to go through what? 3 years of Sanchez has to be given time to learn the new system, then what will the excuse after that? We have a game manager and he would be a great asset as a back up but as a statrer, well how many times do you want to sit and pray for other teams to lose so the Jets make the playoffs? Thats what you’re going to get with Sanchez as the starter, he look good against weak teams and he’ll be pressed in games against average teams but his real potential shows against the elite teams, a bunch of 9-7 seasons is what we’re look at with the current QB.
what kind of plays do you call when the QB is inconsistant?
Run plays, that’s what kind. Especially when you are averaging 4.2 yards a run. When you call run plays, it makes the play action effective, and gives your inconsistent QB the edge he needs. Plus, play action is one of the things Sanchez does best.
I don’t have the numbers, but the average was even better in the second half. They didn’t run it well in the first half.
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Which just makes your point even more accurate.
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John, I can't believe they let this game get away from them.
Is Rex lost?
How can you stop running the ball when it is working? So crazy. Lack of will? Lack of awareness? Is he watching the game?
The run is necessary for a ton of reasons. It rests the defense. It allows great play action. It gives the OL confidence and aggression. I don’t get it.
I’ve made this point before, and it’s actually a point Rex has made. He doesn’t know much about offense so he really needs a strong offensive mind he can trust to run the show. It reminds me a bit of how Payton hired Williams in New Orleans and how McCarthy hired Capers in Green Bay to run things on their weaker side of the ball. Rex needs to find a strong offensive mind.
I’m not sure who that might be, though. Maybe McDaniels? My first thought was drop a truck load of money on Charlie Weis, but that won’t happen now that he’s a head coach again.
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I honestly think he thinks Schotty is a strong offensive mind
I think they think he is a genius. Maybe when he is watching film, and everyone is talking in the coaches room he really does sound like a boy-genius. There is a reason why everyone on that team seems to believe in him.
But what Rex needs is EYES, during the game.
It’s difficult to say because Rex talks everybody up. He’ll never trash one of his guys in public. I guess we’ll find out. I’d have to dig up the quotes, but I think there have been some subtle hints in his public statements this year that he isn’t happy. I can only hope I’m reading him right.
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But John, how could he NOT think Schotty is a genius?
Every week he says “Ground and Pound” and every week there is no ground and pound. He has to turn to Schotty and hear some bullshit explanation as to why, every week. There HAS to be a strong belief in Schotty to allow things to go in this direction while saying that the run game is the core of this team.
Yet Rex does nothing about it. Who is really to blame here? The coach that lets the inmates run the asylum?
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I’m saying there is bizarre trust in Schotty, even when he does the opposite of what the coach says should happen.
No, its not bizarre trust
Its Rex not being prepared as a HC. Nobody is disciplined on this team. Nobody is held accountable. Rex needs to make some changes or his message will get old. You dont think the guys on defense are tired of busting their asses for the offense to keep screwing it up?
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Wow, I understand blowing off steam.
But some of these comments are borderline insanity.
I like Sanchez, but he has not played well this season. I would still take him over the likes of Flacco, Bradford, and maybe even Stafford (although his ability to stay on the field this season has upped his value in my eyes). I hate to break it to you, but if want Sanchez gone, you are going to be disappointed – Schotty may be run out of town, but you are looking at at least one more season of Sanchez, and probably two – the guy has won games in December and January the past two seasons and that counts for something in a league where only wins matter. Yes, prolific passing teams are the rage at the moment – Green Bay, New Orleans, the Pats – but good defense and a balanced offense will never go out of vogue. The Jets need depth and major upgrades at safety, linebacker (at least faster complimentary LB’s, as Harris can be a beast despite the fact that he is not the quickest guy out there) and someone to replace Hunter. I still think 8 or 9 guys on both sides of the ball are solid starters in the NFL, with 5 or 6 potential pro bowlers out there. With a better offensive scheme, you will get better results. Better offensive results keep the defense fresher – it’s a domino effect.
As for Rex, he’s the most successful coach in team history outside of Weeb. Calling for his head is just dumb, I am sorry. The team is frustrating, but you come across as a total tool if you think the coach should be fired based on one 500 season, a season that was preceded by 4 month lockout to boot.
Yes, prolific passing teams are the rage at the moment – Green Bay, New Orleans, the Pats – but good defense and a balanced offense will never go out of vogue.
Were you watching the game?
Yeah
Why? The Jets should have been running the ball more, don’t you think???? Despite the fact that they held the ball so long, the Jets D can’t be expected to stop teams on a short field all the time.
The 99 yard play was a missed tackle. You can blame the scheme, but it’s a play that needs to be made 100% of the time.
I agree with the missed tackle but it isnt on the HC to make changes when something isntt working?
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Then we agree
I think they should be – 59 passes is insane.
As for Rex, he’s the most successful coach in team history outside of Weeb. Calling for his head is just dumb, I am sorry.
I’m not calling for his head, but you have to realize that those 59 passes occurred on HIS team. And the stinkup of last week occurred on HIS team. This team basically had the playoff sitting right there for them and they played almost the two worst games of the year, at the worst time.
Going from back-to-back AFCCG to not being able to beat any team .500 or better is the direct result of Rex Ryan's personnel moves and coaching decisions (or lack thereof).
I shudder to think where he’s going to take this team next year.
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Coul not disagree more
Sorry, we just don’t agree.
I agree with DesertJetFan here
Rex seems like he is in over his head as a HC. And dont give me that most successful coach since Ewbank. All that tells me is the Jets have a really bad history.
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Rex took over a team that choked away an 8-3 start the year before
Its not like he was handed the Rams team the Spags took over. Rex was handed the best O Line in football, an up and coming CB and a great LB in Harris. On top of that, Mangini basically gave him Sanchez and Braylon. Im not impressed with the fact that Rex did nothing to curb Schottys throwing habits. Rex is the boss and it should always start at the top.
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It should, and Rex has not had a good season.
But who should replace Rex? Who do you want instead?
Yes, I get confused counting all his Super Bowl rings
And his one AFC Championship Game appearance.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid
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What???
Seriously, you think Jeff Fisher – a team that led mediocre teams for 15 years is a better coach? Why?? He practically had his team mutiny the last season he was in Tennessee.
Jeff Fisher actually got his team to a SB
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If Rex had 15 seaons
I bet he gets to a Super Bowl, too
Based on what?
He cant even win a division.
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Fisher's treams did not make the playoffs the first 6 seaons he coached the team
And then his team made the Super Bowl in season 7. Yet Rex, way ahead of that schedule, is somehow behind Fisher? What are you smoking
My point is that Jeff Fisher is an increidbly average coach
And Rex has show much more competency and has had much better results than Fisher at this point in their careers.
Fisher was a better head coach because he was consistent and held guys accountable
Not saying Rex wont wind up as the better head coach, but so far he is a DC masquerading as a HC. He has no input on offense or ST and he the team is undisciplined and he is awful with clock management. But he puts on a hell of a presser.
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But, you have to admit...
his teams won less games.
And obviously
I don’t think he’s a better HC. A
No they didnt
The Titans had some good years in a pretty tough division.
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No they did not
They missed the playoffs in Fisher’s first 6 seasons, and never finished better than 9-7, when Jacksonville was the power in the division. He was a .500 coach at best – if that is decent, you should love Rex then!
Don’t even bother with this arguement, wow fisher made one super bowl appearance in 15 yrs. he’s hall of fame bound. Its Rex’s 3rd year he’s had a winning season all three, cut the guy a break.
by dawg1331 on Dec 25, 2011 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
3rd year in a row he coached a top 10 defense
and he coaches in the division with the Best head coach and the 2nd best QB in the last 20 years
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which QB was in Fishers division?
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Eventually, Manning
But for his first 7 years, the division was terrible and he was still only a .500 coach.
I thought Fisher was a decent coach, but I guess according to you he stunk.
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I said he is average.
Point out where I said he stinks? Are you reading?
You implied it
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I repeatedly said he was decent and average.
I implied he was average, sorry.
he's decent
but Rex has done more in 3 years then Fisher has in 15
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher went to the SB
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after 6 seasons of not making the playoffs!!!
So, Rex has 4 more seasons, right? You will give him four more seasons??
Rex is not a HC though
He is coaching one part of the team. He obviously allows Westhoff full control on ST and Schotty full control on offense. How does that make him a great head coach?
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And you know Fisher did those things?
So, you want a coach who gets lesser results but coaches the “full team”, correct? I just need to know what you are looking for….
by that logic
Bill Callahan should be the next head coach.After all he did make it to a superbowl
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Taking a team to an AFC title game is now better on your resume than getting to a SB
Im done.
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No, but it is better than not making the playoffs your first 6 seasons
You are comparing an accomplishment that a coach had in his 7th season to what a coach has done in three seasons. It make no logical sense, I am sorry. Any football fan is going to agree with me.
it's not like he won the superbowl
He loss.Fisher has the same number of rings as a head coach as Rex.And right now rex in 3 years has been better than Jeff was in his 1st 7
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by Jadden Hopkins on Dec 24, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I dont know
I dont want a Cowher or a Gruden. I guess I wouldnt mind a mix of our previous three coaches. I want the discipline of the Herm and Mangini teams. I want the aggresiveness and ground and pound of Rex.
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Rex came in with a rookie QB
Don’t give me that crap about Mangini, he managed games far worse than Rex – he was worse than Herm in a lot of ways – and he handed him a team of disillusioned vets and young up and comers that Rex turned into a winner. Saying anything positive about Mangini’s time here is nothing but revisionist history.
Mangini did a fine job with a garbage squad in 06
The schedule and injuries came back to haunt him in 07 and Favre destroyed him in 08. Mangini’s time here also helped us grab all the best players Rex has now. The Revis’s, Mangold’s, Harris’s, are all products of Mangini’s drafts.
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But Mangini wasn’t the one making the picks.
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Mangini had lots of input into the picks
Dont forget that Tanny was more of a cap guy when hired as GM. Im sure Rex and co also have a ton of input into the picks now.
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From what I understand, Bradway is the guy Tannenbaum really leans on for player evaluation.
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Bradway is on it but the coaches also have input
I recall when Mangini was hired, he seemed to have a hand in everything.
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Well, Mangini then turned his brilliance into
being an awful coach with the Browns and making terrible picks. Come on!
Holmgren is a very smart man, what has he done with those Browns. Mangini made some decent picks and saved the team a ton of money with some of his trades.
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He saved them money.
Great. So you want the team to save money and go 6-10?? What are you talking about?? Because Mangini was a terrible coach in NY and Cleveland.
Im sure in 08 when Jets were 8-3, you were thinking that
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I was, actually
Mangini was terrible at game management, was a micro manager, and the team repeated the same mistakes on the field constantly. There were no in game adjustments, and half his players hated him. That’s how an 8-3 team ends up missing the playoffs…
They missed the playoffs because the QB that was pushed on Mangini got hurt and he wasnt allowed to sit him
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Holmgren is a very smart coach with a checkered history as a front office guy. The Seahawks only started playing well under him when he was stripped of his personnel powers.
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I agree but I think the Browns are a wasteland that cant be fixed,lol
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Mangini did not pick those guys.
Mr. T did….
Revisionist history
just like the Mangini haters blaming him for the Ghoulston pick. Cant have it both ways. If Rex was here in 06, I bet he wouldve traded the 2 #1s to move up for Reggie Bush.
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No, I think he is on the jets organization
Again, it wasnt a terrible pick when it was made but the guy turned out to be a bum,lol.
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no he wouldn't
you are just making things up now. about your earlier comment, people didn’t all make an impact early. it took brick 4 years to make a pro bowl, mangold in his 3rd, and brad smith didn’t look like much. you have to give these drafts time
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Making things up?
Those three guys you mentioned helped the Jets make the playoffs in 06 in their rookie years.
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no
they were on the team. thats about it
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Rex
I know the players like him but he doesn’t perform like a top head coach. R’s game management is very weak — getting players in and out, managing the clock etc. This season, formerly electric players, like Keller and Holmes just don’t have their heads in the game. A number of times this year, everyone reports great practices, and the team comes out flat — so even the games we won, we were playing from behind. The deterioration in terms of penalties incurred is another example
Rex sort of disclaims any responsibility for the offensive game, which doesn’t sound like head coach. He said in the press c that 67 passes made no sense, as if it was an act of god or something, just bad luck that somebody called that many. — he’ll look into it. I think the jury’s out on Sanchez for another year or so. The inconsistency is alarming, but with better coaching he’d probably be a good league-average qb for a long time..
Rex may be an example of Parkinson’s law — you get promoted to your level of incompetence. Even his d-coaching started looking suspect last year. Once the league learned how to take advantage of his blitzing patterns, it took him half the season to adjust.
Sanchez will be the Jets QB.
Until he runs the team to the ground. As far as I’m concerned Sanchez will be the QB unless the Jets go 5-11 or 4-12 and have the flexibility to draft or trade for a QB.
An 8-8 and 9-7 team has no business giving up on a 25 year old QB.
You are right but they also have to get a viable backup to push this kid and keep his head in the game
Brunell never gets mentioned but he is an awful mentor. Talk about stealing money.
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McElroy
Looked good in the preseason.
Backups cost lots of money. This team is cheap. Jason Cambell is an NFL starter. Lots of Jets fans want him as a backup. He isn’t a backup QB and hes expensive. Not many good backups in the NFL. You don’t need to pressure Sanchez with a backup. He already knows hes on thin ice. Eli was garbage for 4 years and never had a viable backup. Winning gave him the confidence he needed.
How is he on thin ice?
Who is nipping at his heels? Sanchez has the best job security in the NFL.
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true
i don’t think he nees someone sho will steal his job, but actualy playing brunel was never an option
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Read the newspapers..surf the web
Not a single analyst has faith in Sanchez. No writer in this city backs him up. When Eli had terrible games early in his career he was criticized but fans like Mike Francessa always supported him. Jets don’t have such support. Ray Luca, Adam Schein and Kris Jenkins all basically said Sanchez has regressed and is garbage. The truth is, I haven’t seen many QBs score 10 more TDs than they did the previous season and have people say they regressed.
it's just stupid
his talent has got worse around him, yet he has put up better numbers. i think he also has 5 rushing td’s, those should count too
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Good night and Merry Christmas to all my fellow Jets fans
I think we can all agree we want this team to pull out a win next week against the Fins.
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Happy Holidays!
I don’t celebrate Christmas, but hope all that do have a very Merry one at that!
you too
well, i don’t either celebrate christmas, but hey, enjoy
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Sour grapes, much?
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I mean, without help from the refs, it'd be a runaway win for the Giants.
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