Is There a Leadership Void on the New York Jets?
Over the offseason, we heard a lot about new leaders stepping up for the Jets to replace departing ones like Tony Richardson. The big name was Mark Sanchez. We heard about how this was going to be his team. Now the only people who can say for sure are those in the locker room, but when you see something like the stunt Santonio Holmes pulled yesterday, one cannot help but wonder how effective the current leadership is.
Holmes is a guy who already created dissension this year by calling out his teammates in the press. It got to the point where Rex Ryan reportedly called the team together to end it. Then Holmes showed no accountability yesterday, picking up a really stupid taunting penalty. There was plenty galling about it, namely the fact the Jets were behind by 18 at the time, and two really sloppy errors by Holmes had spotted the Eagles 14 points early. Holmes reportedly apologized to Rex, but that rings pretty hollow after the fact.
My question is where the leadership is on this team. How frequently do you see something like that happen on a team with strong leadership? Would Holmes have tried that if he knew he would have to deal with Ray Lewis or Tom Brady getting in his face? And Sanchez is the guy I think you have to question most? We heard about how much of a leader he was becoming from the team in the offseason. There is also an inherent leadershup quality in his position. Is he really demanding accountability? Why wasn't Holmes afraid of any reprocussions. I only blame Holmes for his own stupidity, but I am concerned about the fact he did not fear what he was doing like guys on other teams might.
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I don't think there's a lack of leadership. Tone is just a jackass.
Mangold, Brick, Moore, Tomlinson etc are all leaders on offense. And there’s plenty of leaders on defense.
Tone is just a me-first, selfish jackass. And Rex needs to spank him and everybody else who’s willing to throw the team under the bus to be a jackass.
Leadership needs to start at the top. Tom Brady made a bad throw and got his ass chewed out right on the sideline by his OC/QB coach. Anybody say anything to Tone? Nope.
Rex is weak.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Why the hell Holmes is doing that after he fumbled and dropped a perfect pass that lead to an INT, also not to mention they were down by 18, is just unbelievable. If I was Rex I would have benched him the rest of the game. The team is just so immature, and it begins at the top with Rex.
by chrebetsthebet on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Have the freaking COACHES do their job.
Sure, leaders on the team are nice, but the coachers job isn’t just to progress and handle the team, it also includes guiding the players and keeping them from being ass wholes. Set an example, Rex. Get your players in the right state of mind to play and not make mental mistakes and dumbass celebrations.
The answer to your question is "yes".
RR was the right coach at the right time three years ago, but his act is getting old and tired. You gotta question his judgment and decision making skills both on and off the field. Why in the hell would you name a clown like Holmes as a team captain?
I'm resigned to thinking that this team has gotten as far as it can get under RR.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 19, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'll tell you why...
On a smaller scale it’s probably similar to an individual having a kid (I did say smaller scale). Sometimes someone who is a constant screw up changes when they are put in a position of responsibility because they know someone else is looking up to them based on their position. The problem is that it doesn’t always work.
by Mac N Cheese on Dec 20, 2011 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
However, i disagree, this team is not that talented. There is nothing else to talk about. This team came out of the off season and not only did they NOT shore up their glaring weaknesses on defense, they got weaker on offense. People are mixed about bring Braylon back. The thing is the team did not upgrade or replace what Braylon brought to the team. He was the one Jet that stretched the field.
Not only did Rex bring Eric Smith back after his terrible 2010 season. HE MADE HIM A STARTER!! The Pats and Eagles upgraded their pass rushes by bring in free agents. The Jets didn’t even try to bring anyone in. It was not until the bills released Maybin they did something about their pathetic pass rush. How dare Rex and Tanny bring back a weaker team then last season.
Again, I can go on, but my point is, a leader can only do but so much. So I disagree.
This was a point that Steve Young made today on 1050 ESPN John
He said championship teams are lead in the locker room, not from the coaching staffs. He said the big problem with the Jets seems to be that Rex thinks he is the leader, and everything goes through him. This just is not not how very good teams are structured. He went through all the great teams of the last decades, and even mentioned Bill Belichick teams, and said all of them are lead in the locker room 1st. They are self-policed, and self-motivated. Rex is great for us the fans, for the newspapers, but…
This is also a point that Damien Woody has made repeatedly throughout the season, that leadership in the locker room is a hidden but very important part of the team. It is something I didn’t pay much attention to, but after Steve made a big deal about it today, and seeing how poorly coached or cohesive the team is, there may be something really significant missing from this team.
It is something fans will never see.
Rex for sure
Has made it too much about himself. I don’t think anyone on that 53 man roster would have voted Santonio captain.
by heisthejuan on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
In other words.......
……why didn’t we see Bart Scott being dragged off Santonio after that BS “veteran” play? Make fun of Beiber all you want, but he has fire and he’s 11-3.
The Jets right know just look like a bunch of weak punks, not anywhere near a championship team. Sorry to belabor the point, but that 15-yarder really chapped my @ss. It was so David Clowney (Preseason HOF inductee 2008 and current free agent)
santonio holmes
should be stripped of his “team captain” title. Team captains are supposed to be leaders, not attention seeking jack asses. Lead by example you overpayed jerk. Rex needs to reel this idiot in. Maybe next week Kerley should get the start for the first series or two. Sanchez , is a good guy , but does not have leadership qualities.
I miss Braylon.
I still think, to this day that we should have signed Braylon over Tone. Braylon and Sanchez has more chemistry.
The 49er's don't seem to miss him.
A 6th round pick is starting ahead of him and he was a healthy scratch against the Steelers. Hell, Ted Ginn is starting ahead of him. He may get a shot this week. If we want him next year we can probably get him for the veteran minimum, as opposed to what he asked for, based on his pitiful stats this year.
by Traveling Man on Dec 21, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm During the Lockout
When Sanchez was working out with his fellow teammates. Wasn’t Holmes a no show? Did Braylon show up?
Sanchez is too young and not given enough ‘freedom’ to be the team leader. I know everyone wants the QB to be the ultimate team leader but maybe thats not always the case. I wouldn’t call Flacco a leader in Baltimore, nor Stafford in Detroit.
And I disagree about Brady being the leader in New England. Belichick runs that team. It wasnt Brady who got on Welker about the ‘foot’ comments. Bill runs a no nonsense discipline team… well he use to.
I agree with the idea...
that team leaders are important in the locker room but guess what…another player won’t be the one that says “we are going to take some money out of your pocket for hurting our chances” or “because of your antics you are not going to start the next game or we are cutting some of your playing time”. That power lies with the coach. I don’t think Santonio is intimidated enough by anybody in the locker room to avoid that…he does however love being on the field and he loves getting paid. Other than that Sanchez has at least a couple of years before he really takes hold (mentally) as a team leader.
+1
Sanchez has at least a couple of years before he really takes hold (mentally) as a team leader.
Just because Rex announced Sanchez is the leader of the team, we all know it doesn’t work that way. He probably won’t be the true leader of the team until around year 5 or 6 (if he is still a Jet).
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
um
im pretty sure Holmes would have did what he did even if were on Brady’s team our Ray’s (espeically Brady’s). U wanna know why cause he a grown ass man.
Huh...I agree with you
checking my pulse
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^Yep, who got kicked to the curb by a championship team with a world-class owner DESPITE everything he did for them.
What does that tell you about the guy? We’re getting a glimpse of it and I think it will get worse.
He taken his stupid antics that hurt the team and shove it up his grown ass.
by DesertJetFan on Dec 20, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
diminishing returns
No more “Sanchez is young quarterback, he can be that guy someday” – it isnt going to happen. The only consistency hes shown is to be a very much a below average NFL QB. All the top tier QBs were superstars by their 3rd year playing consistently. Tannenbaum’s draft strategy has focused on quality, not quantity – you’ll see that over the past 5 years, the inherent 15 picks from the top 3 rounds that teams have, the Jets have only made 10 of those picks. What you have is a slow attrition of depth, which belies some top end talent. This Jets team was built to win now, only the “now” was more 2 years ago and last year. With an aging team that lacks depth and a QB that will never be more than average, the Jets highwater mark for the foreseeable future has already been reached.
Um the "Sanchez sucks" areas are in the fanpost section and further down the main page
You should probably copy and paste your remarks there.
This post is the Santonio is a selfish, idiot post.
"Burress telling Cason to hold his dick 3 times was awesome" -J-Nasty
if you gonna make a statement please present facts
Because I can’t think of one QB that was great in his third year. This is not the site for free styling.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok just facts, no commentary
rating in 3rd year career rating
Brady 92.8 96.4
Manning 94.7 94.9
Rodgers 101.2 103.3
Rivers 105.5 95.8
Rothlesburger 98.6 92.3
Sanchez 82.2 74.3
by Chris Thurlow on Dec 21, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
this brings back a very important issue
why did we get rid of kerry rhodes?
during his playing time under RR , what did he do that warranted rex getting shot of him ?
did he throw his teammates under the bus publicly ? no
did he give away 14 points and then hurt the team bye giving up a needless 15 yards ? no . but rhodes was seen as a locker room cancer
why is tone different ?
as every week goes bye i’m more convinced that rex has special rules for certain players and coaches .
the problem rex has is he has been in as much trouble off the field as any of his players and that leads to where rex can’t be whole hearted in his convictions when it comes to dealing with any team issues that might arise . look at how long they took to deal with the sol tripping incident . that should have been dealt with the next day and not left to linger over the team .
the same can be said with tone calling out the o line . rex should have sorted that out ASAP and not let it linger .
if its for you it won't pass you
John, I made this exact comment around GGN repeatedly after the Ravens game.
And you acted like I had no business making that comment just like the rest of GGN.
I called into question Marks ability to be apart of the solution rather than just another player who’s play suffers further when things go wrong. As a captain Mark should be one of the players who can lead by word and example. He was doing neither at the time and continues to do neither to this day.
I questioned the great Nick Mangold’s leadership when Colin Baxter was having a rough time with communicating with Mark on snap counts and blocking responsibilities and Nick was never seen on the sideline helping the kid out in the slightest. Just arms crossed on the sideline pouting while his team folded over. If Nick was the leader some fans make him out to be there would be something to point to besides his play. But there isn’t
I got ripped for my comments and made out to look like an ass who has no clue what he’s talking about. So how do things look now?
Where is Rex leading this offense? He’s weak with player relations and he’s handed over complete power to Shotty who can’t possibly reign in the offense with all his faults.
And Speaking of Shotty, I also made the point that unlike most other OC’s, he’s only ever seen talking to Mark. Never with the offense as a whole. Never trying to rally them from bad play and certainly never chewing out a moron WR for pulling a stunt in the endzone after digging his team in a hole. Nothing. Lets go over to Pulpit and ask thoes guys if they have ever seen Bill O’Brien chew out a player before… oh, wait he actually had to be pulled off of Tom a few weeks ago and they are hardly in dire straits right now like the Jets are.
This offense DOES have a major problem with leadership. It should start with the coaches. But Rex and Shotty are far from good at player management (see Santonio Holmes). And the players are hardly taking the coaching to the field with them at all.
Btw. Fans routinely mistake good players for leaders. Nick Mangold is a great player but can anyone give any examples of leadership or even a sliver of outspokenness? Same with Brick. Great player but everything I have ever read about him paints him as a quiet guy who talks with his play and is a bit of a loner with exception to his friend Mark. Not a leader like some people make him out to be. The one leader the offense does have? Tomlinson. How sad is that?
Sorry everybody. Rant over. I feel better now.
I agree with almost all of this.
Leadership in the locker room is not something that can be conferred on a player by a coach. It is earned by that player over time with the group that he plays with and/or respect he has gained in the league throughout his career,. That implies a bit of longevity with the organization. On offense guys like Ferguson and Mangold qualify on the first criteria, and Tomlinson on the second. On defense, Revis, Leonhard and Harris should be setting the tone. We don’t know the dynamics of the locker room but none of those guys reminds me of a Teddy Bruschi or Rodney Harrrison or any number of other guys the Patriots had in their great years. But they had that authority because of the tone and structure set by the head coach. That is one of Belichek’s greatest strengths and why his teams are consistent throughout the years, even when they don’t have the talent. Does anyone think the Pats are more talented on D and special teams than the Jets, despite our inability to cover the tight end? On offense, Tom Brady makes the question academic. Sanchez wants to talk like a leader but he should be the first person holding Holmes accountable. And he flubbed it. Brady would have been in Holmes’ face on the sidelines right after that dumbass display, especially following the two other screw-ups.
Which brings us back to the head coach. The more I see of Ryan, the more he reminds me of Marty Schottenheimer. Maybe it’s no coincidence he has a strong bond to Brian. Despite their outward personality differences, they have a lot of similarities as coaches. They can bring a team to a certain level but they can;t get overt the hump. Their talent evaluation is limited to their areas of expertise but hey get blinded by favoritism at times. I think Rex has done a great job of changing the culture of this organization, and he has a high percentage of wins to his credit. But, he has become a victim of his own rhetoric. When you set the bar high, you need to achieve it. And when you set a tone as a player’s coach and run everything through you, it is a double edge sword. It shields the players but it also prevents anyone in the locker room from stepping up and calling his teammates to account for their shortcomings. In his first year and even a good part of last year, guys like Jenkins, Woody, Richardson had a stature that even Rex had to respect. Rhodes was shipped not just for his poor efforts on the field but also, I believe, because the locker room viewed him as a “Hollywood” type. You could see the cracks starting last year with both Edwards antics off the field and Holmes.on a few occasions. There is even less leadership now and this is the result.
The Jets need to re-evaluate their entire approach before the draft and make some organizational changes. I think Rex can move beyond being a Marty or a Chuck Knox or any of those other coaches who were better than average but just couldn’t make the final leap to greatness. But he is going to have to make some serious changes in his coaching methods to get there. Whether he does or not will determine if he gets to the top of the mountain with this team.
Also sorry for the length but as the season winds down I think these points need more discussion than individuals’ actions or even whether or not we make the playoffs. This is obviously not a championship team and may need more parts than appear on the surface to become one. There is a good foundation here, but right now the house is built with a lot of straw.
by Traveling Man on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind a long reply at all.
You expounded on some of my points better than I could have. Thanks
Agreed...
This team has slowly traded/released their leadership(see: Jones, Jenkins, Woody) and failed to ‘coach up’ their respective ‘replacements’. Brandon Moore actually gets some respect from me for telling ‘Tone to shut it after their last ’tiff’. I didn’t care who was right/wrong, as a Captain he’s been consistently selfish on the field and should have just STFU and dealt with it internally… but we all know Tone shouldn’t be a Captain in the first place(Rex’s mistake).
Right now, Tomlinson and Bart Scott (and to a lesser extent Brandon Moore) seem to be the only ones trying to ‘light a fire’.
On a side note:
I would have LOVED to see Shotty grab Tone by the facemask after that play… Just to see what would have happened.
I know you are serious but...
I just imagine Schotty grabbing Tone’s face mask and ending up getting his a$$ whooped…lol! But I agree…Woody showed that hint of leadership by telling Tone to shut it! Maybe if Tone does something like that again Rex should strip him of his Captain status.
by Mac N Cheese on Dec 20, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah except I hate that I saw this coming
I know it sounds like I want to rub everyone’s nose in it but please understand no true fan enjoys any part of their team having such a blatant problem. I’m not happy about this at all.
I say the same stuff to people about Smith and Pool not being what people thought they were
Arm chair GM. Mod/contributing writer at SBN Jets blog GGN.
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Remember what Gerry Philbin said.....
….on “America’s Game” about Joe Namath being named Captain. It wasn’t because he was a great leader or even a good example at that point. It was about trying to get him to step up and BECOME a leader and a good example. It was kind of like giving Obama the Nobel Peace Prize after 9 months in office, based on incentive rather than achievement.
Looks like the experiment has failed with Tone. Not only did he blow it in “in the moment”, he stuck to his guns after the game an defended his actions instead of owning up.
This article should just be entitled "Holmes is an a-hole"
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