Mr. Super Smarty Pants Unpredictable
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST
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PrintNew York Jets at 12:13 NYJ PHI 1st and 10 at NYJ 7 S.Greene left tackle to NYJ 9 for 2 yards (A.Jordan). 2nd and 8 at NYJ 9 S.Greene left guard to NYJ 21 for 12 yards (K.Coleman). 1st and 10 at NYJ 21 Direct snap to S.Greene. S.Greene up the middle to NYJ 27 for 6 yards (J.Chaney). 2nd and 4 at NYJ 27 S.Greene up the middle to NYJ 40 for 13 yards (N.Allen).We start at our own 7 and give it to the War Machine four straight times for 33 yards. Dude is pounding out chunks of yards for an average of 8 yards per and we don't even sniff a 3rd down. Then guess what happens? Do we keep it going until they stop it? Of course not. Do we work in some playaction to Keller? Nope. Do we take a shot down field on first down? Negative. You know what happens. You've seen a million times before. Its time for Mr. Super Smarty Pants Unpredictable to outsmart himself. You know the thought process, right? "They think we're gonna keep giving it to Greene, because we're killing them with it. Those silly mindless peons. So you know what we're gonna do instead? We're gonna go Schott-gun and bring in Tomlinson, thats what we're gonna do. That'll really screw them up on what we're trying to do. They won't know what the heck is going on. Ha ha, and you know what else? They're gonna expect that we're gonna pass it and their defensive ends are gonna come flyin up field... And you know what? Do ya, do ya? We're gonna hit them for a screen and its gonna hit BIG!!! Hahahaha I'm a freakin genius. They're never gonna expect that. No way Jose." I saw that formation and saw Tomlinson next Sanchez and I felt sick. The Blue Moon tide was rising and threatening to breach. I knew what was going to happen next. I've seen it a million times before. Everything was going to turn to Schitt. And so it did:
1st and 10 at NYJ 40 (Shotgun) M.Sanchez pass short left to L.Tomlinson to NYJ 36 for -4 yards (C.Matthews). 2nd and 14 at NYJ 36 (Shotgun) M.Sanchez pass short right to S.Holmes to NYJ 43 for 7 yards (K.Coleman). FUMBLES (K.Coleman), RECOVERED by PHI-J.Parker at NYJ 47. J.Parker for 47 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Game over. That right there was the game. They say football is a game of inches. They say its a game of momentum. I don't if all that is true. I guess there's some truth to that stuff. But I do know that that right there killed us. I do know that, more than anything else, confidence matters. And that play gave a struggling team, a team that shot itself in the foot at home all year long, a big shot of confidence. That team was on thin ice, waiting for it to break and to fall to their icy, watery death. That stadium was tensed and waiting to hail a storm of boos at the first sign of trouble. And here we come, straight at their most vulnerable point with a sledge-hammer. Bashing it. Bashing it. Bashing it. And bashing it again. Everyone is collectively holding their breaths, waiting for the ice to break. The crowd is ready to spit on Andy's grave and slap his mother for birthing him. And what do we do? We go shot-gun. Get dropped for negative four on an inexplicable screen. Then go shot-gun again (why, I don't know) and get stripped for a TD. Awesome. And in that one little moment, that tiny little sequence, EVERYTHING changed. Thank you Mr. Super Smarty Pants Unpredictable. Thank you for outsmarting yourself once again. Thank you for going away from what would work, what has worked against them all year, and what was actually working, in favor of being "unpredictable." Thank you for breathing life into the corpse of the Eagles and their fanbase. But most of all Mr. Super Smarty Pants Unpredictable, thank you for being you. Thank you for a couple of really good games and a swift kick in the balls. You rock.
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Am I just me? Or am I hot in here?
Hah, nice summation.
You know I agree, so to not be redundant I will hold my tongue. Anyways, don’t assault anyone Christmas shopping because of the Jets. Get a Hunter jersey and choke it out.
Great post Crack
Game over. That right there was the game. They say football is a game of inches. They say its a game of momentum. I don’t if all that is true. I guess there’s some truth to that stuff. But I do know that that right there killed us
Totally true. But good team overcome these kinds of things early. I totally agree, but the Jets are so limited, and so mistake prone, 1st quarters have sunk this team over and over all season.
Good point.
Just imagine how easily we could have taken control of the San Diego game if we hadn’t turned it over for a TD on that first drive.
Thank you
There was absolutely no reason to move on from Greene, the Eagles had no answer for him. You don’t move on from whats working, that Holmes fumble killed our confidence and gave the Eagles all the momentum.
“But we needs to pass sometime!”
No we don’t, not when were running so well. And if we are going to pass, we should do this thing called “play-action”. You call a play action pass after you have success on the ground, you fake like you’re giving it to the running back and then have a receiver run down field, preferably on a double move. A lot of times the receiver will get favorable coverage because the defense thinks the running back was getting the ball. They think this of course, because you were just averaging 8 YARDS A DAMN CARRY.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You're going to blame him for that?
It’d be one thing if NYJ was running effectively and then all of a sudden after 50 yards on 5 plays, they go shotgun and pass 3 times to kill a drive. You can’t run your RB to death and run every down. On this one, a screen pass didn’t work as intended and put NY into a situation where it normally calls for a pass. Holmes caught it and had NYJ in a pretty decent situation. The fumble is on him, not Schotty.
Plays didn’t work out when Greene came out for a breather. If Holmes doesn’t fumble, the Jets probably go back to their run game if they get the first down.
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Given how the jets were running you would think after chopping
up 30 or so yards on the ground a play action pass might be a good idea. Despite it being on Holmes that still would have had us at 3rd and pretty long because it was a short route and Holmes was pretty well bracketed to begin with.
A breather after four carries? FOUR carries in the beginning of the game? Cmon son. You know how I KNOW that wasn’t for a breather? Because I’ve been watching Schotty for YEARS. If your running for 8 yards a pop, why go shot-gun? Why? Why not just change backs and keep running? Why not give him a breather by going playaction? Makes no sense.
And he went straight to shotgun on the next series too, I think. Next thing you know its 14-0 and Greene and Keller are invisible.
Until someone can answer why we went Shotgun,
there is no defense for this playcall, IMO. It really is a microcosm of what’s going on in this offense, and possibly the organization as a whole. Nonsensical decisions and no accountability other then to blame the players who don’t execute this nonsense.
Playaction would make more sense.
But you don’t find many RBs carrying the ball 5 or more times in a row now, regardless of the time in the game. Mostly because they try to preserve their players. I know Schotty hasn’t exactly been good this year, but it’s not a 14-0 game if Holmes doesn’t fumble the ball. I just think the blame for the death of that drive should primarily be on Holmes.
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Like I said before
We could have run it with LT, McKnight or Connor. I’m not blaming Schotty for the fumble, I’m blaming him for going away from whats working. You don’t stop running when you’re averaging 8 YARDS A CARRY.
I just thinks it’s funny how everything went to hell after that play call.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Preserve thier players? Did I just walk into the twilight zone or something?
NO, when something is working and the opponent has yet to show an ability to stop it, you shove it down their throat. I don’t give a shit if its the wildcat, playaction pass, QB sneak, whatever. You don’t stop it for them. You make THEM stop it. And when they do, then you switch it up.
If my back is ripping off chunks at 6 yards a pop, he’s getting the rock until his wheels fall off. Then I’m bringing in the next guy and I’m gonna go at it with him. You don’t stop whats working just cuz. If a guy gets hot, you ride his ass.
If Sanchez ripped off 4 straight passes and we’re marching down field, and we all of the sudden took him off the field and went wildcat, I’d be just as pissed. Its retarded.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1...
…and that’s called “Power Football”, attack the opponent’s weaknesses without mercy!
That is what many like
But when you look at it, how often does it happen? RBs like Peterson, McFadden and CJ can shred teams, but when their offense runs 65 plays, they still may only run 20 times. Even when things work, teams don’t do the same things so many times in succession. You use it a lot, but did you really expect the Jets to pull off a 10 play drive with 10 runs to Greene? It sounds great in theory, but no teams do that. Instead, you’ll see a 10 play drive for 90 yards with a pass or two mixed in.
My guess is NY was hoping Philly would bring a run blitz to stop LT after a successful bunch of carries, but the call didn’t work and put NY into a passing situation. Holmes botched the next play.
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your point is valid
but the fact that Schotty brought in LT and went shot-gun tipped off their D that a pass or screen to LT was coming. I guarantee that the play-caller on the eagles D called an audible for screen coverage.
If schotty leaves Greene in and runs a play action, then at least the D is still on their toes.
Hence, Schotty’s fault.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
Exactly...
…but why do what would make more sense? And the play cost the Jets 7 points the other way! The stadium was so quiet you could hear a church mouse, until B.S. decided to abandon what was working. I felt a huge shift in momentum and the body language of the team reflected it as well. Who knows what the outcome would have been had that play not been called. I guess I am just tasting the bitter defeat that is easier to accept for Dolphin fans.
Because there is simple thinking behind it
Maybe NY was planning for a run blitz in which they thought they could slip LT out and get him on a screen? There are a few ways to attack a defense focused on the run. A play action is a great option, but not the only one.
I’m not saying accepting defeat isn’t better for anyone, though I appreciate the smart ass, but I just think that blame for the drive’s death goes to the man that fumbled the ball.
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We never run on third down
No matter what the yardage is.
It was still very early in the game, so its not like Greene was gassed or anything. And we still could have run it with LT, McKnight, or Connor.
Or you know, call a play-action instead of a screen.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but like I said above.
First and foremost, a blame for a fumble goes on the player himself and teams rarely run their RB 5+ times in a row because they try to preserve them. Giving it to LT would’ve been a perfectly reasonable play, but a failed screen put NYJ into a passing situation. Sometimes crap works, sometimes it doesn’t. The screen didn’t work and Holmes screwed up the next play.
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Thats the problem
The screen should never have been called. Why go away from what was working? 8 YARDS A CARRY! I f you are going to do something different, try running a play-action.
That’s what you do when you have success on the ground.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again...
…using words like " Giving it to L.T. would’ve been a perfectly reasonable play" then following that with “but a failed screen put NYJ into a passing situation”. Why are you trolling our site today Mr. Finhead? You must be feeling a little froggy after eeking out a victory against the Bill’s, so you figured you would drop by and enjoy our loss? I suggest you find some other activity like sitting in traffic amongst the cutler-ricans.
I'm here often, even after Jets wins and Miami losses.
I do think that giving it to LT is reasonable, but I think trying to swing it out to LT wasn’t exactly a bad call either. You could argue that a play action is better, but then again, if the Jets tried that and Wayne Hunter surrendered another sack, people could criticize for calling a PA in which Sanchez had little time (which he rarely did yesterday) for the PA and for a WR to get down the field. Then the Jets are facing 2nd and long and still have to pass again.
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I see where everyone else is coming from
But I kind of agree with Finhead here. Holmes doesn’t fumble that ball and maybe Shotty goes right back to Greene, we punch it in the endzone, who knows. We were put in a position where we were forced to pass it (going down by 14 in the 1st quarter) and in my opinion that is all on Holmes. Holmes gets the big bucks, that # 1 WR money and he hasn’t lived up to his contract. He disappears, puts the team on blast in the media, drops passes, celebrates after every 5yd reception, or TD when we’re losing by 18. I think Holmes’ celebration pic after he signed his contract, sums it all up. That was his Superbowl, signing that contract. He’s done now, proven all he needs to prove, to anyone.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Mr. Finhead...
…Thanks for trolling our site. I realize the weather is into the high 60’s so this beats the weed lines. As for the play: yes it was a good pass, yes it was a good catch and yes the Eagles “mauled” S. Holmes the instant he caught the ball. He was nearly bent backwards as two Eagles defenders hit him simultaneously. You should hire our O.C. and do us all a favor, as I have seen enough of B.S. calling plays that do not make sense to anyone except division rivals. Attempting to debate this any further would be tantamount to giving medicine to the dead.
He's not trolling
Just offering his own insight, nothing wrong with that.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Do not...
…kid yourself. He is enjoying every minute of this B>S>
Hah, I wouldn't say he's trolling.
He just like stubbornly defending a point that has almost no one in agreeance. Been there done that.
LOL Thanks.
I admittedly am stubborn (my wife says it often), but I do not come to mock losses (I didn’t mention a single thing about the loss) and I don’t only visit after Miami victories or NY losses. To me, that would be more of a sign of trolling. Just offering insight is all.
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Realize the atmpsphere here though.
It was an embarrassing lose and not one person has been held accountable this season. Hunter would have been cut on most teams by no for almost getting a “franchise” QB killed multiple times per quarter. Same with E. Smith getting toasted multiple times a game, at least totally benched. The FO has put this team in a bad spot, and us fans feel neglected, and lied to. It’s not a good situation to force the issue. And being a fan of a rival team puts you even more in a position to be an irritant to people who are in this situation.
I’ve been too rival team sites after many loses and instead of trying to be ration, I try to empathize with them not go against the grain for this exact reason. Not really hating on it, “to each their own”, just some friendly advice from someone who isn’t using his Psych degree professionally.
A lot of us Jet fans are so sick of Schloppenstinker
That we resort to knee jerk reactions. When your franchise wide receiver, directly spots the other team 14 points, you get forced into a shitty game plan. I understand it would’ve been infinitely smarter to run playaction there, but you know what, they ran the play, completed the pass and would’ve moved the sticks, if not for the fumble. I’m not too thin skinned after all we’ve been put through this season.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I know all about shitty OCs
Dan Henning hasn’t been out of Miami for that long. We’ve been accustomed to terrible play-calling, especially with Dave Wannstedt’s game plan of “3 yards and a cloud of punt” for several years.
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Yes you can.
Watch any game against the Bills last year or the game against Tampa Bay the year before. If a team cannot stop your run game, you can just keep running.
Lost in all this, is that the short pass is one of Sanchez's biggest weaknesses
while it makes up a huge portion of our offense. He just does not throw a good short ball. Better than last year, but pretty much awful. His timing is never fluid, always seems rushed, he throws the ball high (ripe for tipped pass INTs), and very seldom where the pass is right in stride. He also never seems to have the right pace on the ball either. He just – after all the practice time he has put in – isn’t comfortable. You can see it. It is a joke that this is the bread and butter of the offense.
Jet screen plays are a joke.Sanchez throws into a crowd virtually standing still and the play is stuffed.They never get
outside enough to get a player in somewhat of an open field especially when they use Greene
by Putnan Prince on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agree with you.
Holmes’ fumble completely killed our momentum, and forced us to play from behind. The jets aren’t built to play from behind.. And holmes dug us the hole.
by jets4life24 on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The playcall helped dig the hole too.
Effin’ schotty
by jets4life24 on Dec 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And 20 other things. This team is terrible.
The Knicks and Jets have shaved years off my life with just stress and I’m only 28.
About half the people in AA are or were Jet fans Alcohol has helped to deaden the pain and
help with memory loss since the Devil’s ale entered my life in 1969.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I fully expect the Heat to keep stressing you and the Knicks into your 30s. :)
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Who's running th point again down there? Norris Cole?
(Not that the Knicks have anything but injuries waiting to happen)
B. Davis makes it through 20 games, Bibby makes it through 25, and maybe we pick up Arenas for the other 20 or so. Then in the playoffs we do what we did last year.
Chalmers for now, but Miami goes without a true PG at times.
But you can keep Bibby. He was so frustrating during the playoffs last year…
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Bibby and B. Diddy, I have very little expectations for.
If they play well when they are healthy I’ll be happy. Health will determine the Knicks season this year for sure.
B Dizzle is gonna set this thing free.
Fear the beard. And Shump is gonna be awesome too.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hah, I fear he's going to blow his back out trimming the beard up
in the morning. It’s better then running the offense through Carmelo though, unless he’s working on the screen and roll with Amare.
I am in...
…Vero Beach, to come here with the agenda of adding further stress to a teams fans who are down shows lack of class. I wouldn’t expect anything different from a Dolphin fan who is enjoying another losing season.
It's called a joke dude.
Try not getting your panties in a bundle? I am not in Vero Beach either. I’m in NJ, also rooting for the NY teams I grew up with (Giants and Yankees) to go with the Florida franchises.
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I was raised a Yankees fan but I personally think baseball is more boring then
watching paint dry. Also, I tried playing softball in uni after last being decent in Little League 6 years prior and I sucked so that took the rest of the enjoyment out of the sport.
Ever since the jets have become relevant, the yanks have been tossed aside.
I still love’em.. but ehh. Jets are more interesting.
by jets4life24 on Dec 19, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finhead likes the Yankees and the Heat... who else Pats and Bruins?
winner picker.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I have reasons for that
I was born and raised in Florida so I loved the Dolphins and Heat. I grew up with the Giants and Yankees because my father is from northern NJ and I watched their games all the time. I used to double-up on Sundays and watch both Miami and NYG.
I didn’t have the Marlins when I was born because they weren’t around, so I cheered for the team that we always watched and the team whose games I always attended. When the Marlins were created, I became fans of them. I am a Marlins fan first and foremost because of my home connection, but I am not going to discard the team I grew up with. My parents never watched basketball so I had no connection to the Knicks. That all sounds pretty reasonable for me.
As for the Pats and Bruins, they can both go screw themselves. I do not like and never will like any teams from Boston or Philadelphia. NY connection still stayes strong with me. I don’t think “winner pickers” generally choose to become fans of teams like the Marlins and Heat. The Marlins are known to be cheap and the Heat weren’t ever much of a big threat until Wade. I certainly could’ve chosen better teams to follow if I wanted to follow only winning franchises. Oh yes, USC and the Lakers can also go screw themselves thanks to my time in Cali having to deal with them…
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No love for the Mets?
Being from Long Island, I always rooted for the Jets and Mets. Talk about stress!
Conspiracy Theory
Who else thinks Schotty intentionally threw this game to make sure the Fins didn’t hire him as HC so he could come back for another year of slow, painful torture of the fan base? You know that the Jets will never fire him.
Hah, Schotty's not that rational.
I was going to try to write an example but the guy is so ridiculous I couldn’t come up with a plan that would give him justice.
that's a good theory actually.
i just want Tom Moore to replace BS’s sorry ass.
don’t we all?
by macbethanite7 on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
this post is simply dumb
if we run the ball 10 straight times then greene will be burned out by the end of the half. The screen was a bad call but not the holmes pass. If holmes was able to hold onto the football it prolly woulda been a gain of 10 or something. Its not as though the play that schotty called on the fumble resulted in a sack or something that the defense easily sniffed out. It was just a hard hit. If holmes didnt fumble no one woud be saying there is anything wrong with the call.
This is the dumbest comment i've ever read.
Stop running because he will get tired???? Are you serious? No you run it until they stop it. Or until his legs fall off. Then you sub in another guy and run it some more. You don’t stop whats working because a guy will get tired or because the defense “will figure it out.”
Did the Pats stop running to the left in the 4th quarter of that game or did they go no-huddle and shove it up our ass?
Come on man
There’s a reason teams have more than one back, you run it with all of them so they don’t get tired.
And once again nobody is blaming Schotty for the fumble, were mad he went away from the running game when it was extremely effective.
If holmes didnt fumble no one woud be saying there is anything wrong with the call.
It wasn’t the Holmes call we had a problem with, it was the screen before it. If Schotty had stuck with the run (8 yards a carry) Holmes is never in position to fumble.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Crackback, would you like to go for some paragraph breaks after work?
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
Not my fault. There were paragraphs when I wrote it. Must be some kinda glitch. And I have to post in html, unlike I used to do.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When was Schotty named the DC?
Because I’m pretty sure the offense didn’t have too much to do with the 45 points the Eagles hung yesterday.
Really?
Let’s see-the offense turned the ball over 3 times in the first half:
A)Fumble-TD (7-0 before the D even gives up a point).
B)An INT on the Eagle 6 yard line (They go down the field for a score-but even pinning this on the D we REMOVED 3-7 points from the board on our end there).
C)Sanchez fumbles on the Jet 25.
So we give them a TD, turn the ball over on the 6 and give them the ball on the Jet 25 in the first 4 offensive possessions leading to a 21 point deficit…because of the offense. Hmm…
But I heard it was a championship defense.
Best in the league, even.
Not this year for sure. No one other then the media has contended that.
Rex is too busy making excuses this season to claim we’re the best. If it did happen I’m sure it was preseason or the first couple weeks. Don’t quote me on that, that’s just from memory.
When did you learn how to read?
Because he never blamed Schotty for the defensive woes.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're a smart one.
I never said he did. But you guys are always harping on Schotty when the truth is that your defense isn’t nearly as good as you seem to think it is. 45 points is a lot. Take away the the fumble TD and the fumble on the 25 and you still have 31 points that the D failed to stop.
You may not have said but you implied it
Because I’m pretty sure the offense didn’t have too much to do with the 45 points the Eagles hung yesterday.
Are we not assume based on that comment that you think he’s blaming Schotty for the defense sucking yesterday?
He’s mad at Schotty for going away from what was working, not for us getting blown. Everyone knows this team has multiple problems, but Schotty is one of the biggest.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
*said it
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
He's primarily blaming Schotty for the loss
When giving up 45 points isn’t going to result in a win practically ever.
The O was just as much at fault as the D
Like you said
bq. Take away the the fumble TD and the fumble on the 25 and you still have 31 points that the D failed to stop.
Its a lot more probable we overcome that wouldn’t you say? But even when the defense was getting turnovers the offense couldn’t do anything.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Block quote fail
Take away the the fumble TD and the fumble on the 25 and you still have 31 points that the D failed to stop.
There we go.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Schotty is partially to blame for those points.
It changed the whole mentality of both teams. Iggles had trouble with the run all year. Pound it all the way to a TD, and put them in a hole, hear the boos, make them press, they turn it over a couple times, we continue to run, they overplay it and we hit them for a couple more quick scores, next thing u know we’re the ones up 21-7. And now we keep running the rock, chewing up clock, the Eagles can’t stop it and start to play tighter. They have to throw bc opportunities are few, so they become one-dimmensional, and we play coverage and blitz. Hit Vick a couple times and that rib starts to hurt a bit more when ur down 21 and ur taking shots and the other team keeps running down ur throat. So he starts forcing throws a little sooner and taking off to run a little sooner. More turnovers and three and outs…
Whole game changes.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line, defense gave up 31 points all by themselves.
We should be able to overcome 30 points
If we had run more, Vick plays less and has less chances to score
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
You SHOULD be able to hold the Eagles to less than 31 points.
You know, top 10 defense and all.
And we should be able to score over 30 points
And guess what smarty, Eagles have a top 5 offense.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well, my point is that your defense gets a lot of undue praise
because it’s actually not that good. 7th in yards allowed, but 21st in points allowed.
Do they hand out tropies for any stat?
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
actually, scoring the most points in the Super Bowl nets you a pretty nice one. Most living Jets fans aren’t familiar with it, I understand.
Weren't we just talking about regular season stats?
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I should have been more specific
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
We can't rush the passer nor cover a tight end
Like you said before
Take away the the fumble TD and the fumble on the 25 and you still have 31 points that the D failed to stop.
The offense can do a good job of effecting the Ds stats
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb
25th in points allowed because the OFFENSE has allowed the most point of any offense in the league (the Jets O has given up over 100 points). By this logic the Jets offense is good because they are 3rd in scoring in the AFC. Jets D is good. It is not stellar but it is very good. They didn’t play that way yesterday but if you are going to troll at least don’t embarrass yourself by being so damn ignorant.
How is it ignorant?
I’m not going to go comb through stats, but I have a real hard time believing that the offense has given up 100 points in pick sixes and fumble TDs.
Sanchez is good for one pick six a game.
Throw in some fumbled receptions for TD’s, fumbled punts for TD’s, fumbled kickoffs for TD’s…
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The points include points off turnovers
the stat was flashed during the game. However Sanchez had pick 6s against the Patriots, Denver and Baltimore. The Jets have had fumbles returned for TDs against the Eagles, Chargers and Baltimore. Sanchez had a pick returned to the Jets 1 by Sean Lee of the Cowboys (leading to a TD) Cromartie fumbled a kickoff at the Jets 10 (leading to a TD against the Raiders) and Kerley and McKnight have fumbled punts in the Jets red zone leading to 10 points. Last week Sanchez fumbled at the Jets 20 leading to a TD. That’s 80 points right there with the d allowing about 40 total yards. The Jets have more special teams tos (6) and points off offensive to than any team.
But...
…they did. How many points were scored off of turnovers?
Too much...
…trolling for me. I have better things to do with my time than deal with fans of other teams who get their kicks in this manner. I will either opt for riding my Harley, my wife or maybe both? Have fun guys and remember who you are dealing with today, the fact is our team is still contending and that bothers them.
which means what?
That ur gonna watch another team doing backflips and airplanes after they kick your ass for another one and done?
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Hold up there hoss.
You gotta actually make the playoffs first.
Im sure another team is capable of doing backflips and airplanes
Even if we don’t get in, you’re defense isn’t all that great either and Brady has looked awful his last two postseason games.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Is that what you're going to tell yourself
when you’re watching a Jetless playoff schedule?
No I'll be telling myself we need a new OC
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Dec 19, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
keep talking trash dudebro
Maybe that kind of thing works out for you. In my experience, when you run my mouth, you wind up getting hit in it. Just like in the playoffs last year, I bet you were the big swinging dick before that rape happend in Foxborough.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm certainly not running your mouth.
And Jets fans keep bringing up last year, as if a divisional round win matters in the big scheme of things. Lot of talking coming from the Meadowlands, not a whole lot in the way of results.
When was the last time the Pats even won a playoff game?
it is going on 5 years now…
BTW
I looked up all your overconfident posts on this site and PP from Jan.10-Jan.16th, 2011. They are a riot. Then you went crying to mommy and hid on your favorite site “Stanley Cup of Man Chowder.”
When was the last time the Jets even won a Super Bowl?
it is at least 40 years now…
all things pass in time...
…like 2004 which is soon to be a decade past (plus-don’t all of your SB wins have an asterisks next to them?). And with Brady 35 next year, hmm..well you better hope you win one in the next couple of years.
You guys really like to reach.
I’ll take Brady at 35 over any other QB in the league, especially Sanchize.
so would I
but the window is closing…and surely it must bother you that we have won 4 playoff games and played in 6 since you last won a single one? I mean the only players left from 2004 are Brady, branch, light, Koppen and Wilfork.
What difference does it make?
Jets haven’t been there since the merger.
My point is...
you shouldn’t run your mouth about droughts if you’re not going to take into account everything pre-Brady.
and the Pats have been there one time
and lost (to the worst superbowl winner ever-a 10-6 team that didn’t beat a single team with 10 wins all regular season) without a secret little helper and some tape…
Like I said, REAAAAAAAAAAAAACHING.
This crap about asterisks and video tape is hilariously played out and was completely unfounded in the first place.
Um hum.
you know it bugs you-admit it. Three crappy nailbiting victories by a combined 9 points? Me thinks tape would be worth about 3 points a game…the only one of those teams that was any good was the 2004 team. In fact your Superbowl losing team of 18-1 was hella better than the sack of shit 2001 and 2003 Patriots (who somehow had 14 wins with the 7th best point differential in the league).
I don't get all this
Nobody remembers off the top of their head who won the 1999 divisional round games. Nobody remembers how many playoff games a team won unless they get to the Super Bowl. This entire “We won playoff” games thing is pretty irrelevant and is like grasping at straws to be something to be proud of. It doesn’t matter if New England won the AFC East last year and it doesn’t matter if the Jets beat New England last year to kick them out of the playoffs. In the end, they were both home watching the Super Bowl.
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Let me explain, my dear friend.
a)A fan of a team certainly remembers (I remember each Jets playoff game since 1981).
b)A knowledgeable fan knows more than that. For example I know that the Phins haven’t won a single playoff game in more than 10 years. sad, huh?
c)A true “understander” of the game knows that playoff wins mean a lot. Sure my wife may only remember who wins the Superbowl, but a true appreciator of the game knows that all playoff wins are hard fought and that the winner is not always the best team. I don’t think that in 2007 the Giants were close to the Patriots, but on any given Sunday…thus I understand that the Jets going to back to back AFC championships is most certainly meaningful. It makes us a “cryptodynasty” in the words of Football Outsiders. Further, I understand that in the rare times that a team I have rooted for has won the big one, in time I appreciate those wins no more than the Jets kicking the shit out of the arrogant, overrated, heavily favored Pats last year.
Yes, you may remember the moments
But playoff wins earn you nothing. Nobody cheers about being the 2006 Wild Card round victor. It doesn’t take a great “appreciator” to know the best teams don’t always win so you can stop trying to pretend you’re smart and above others. Still, nobody cares that the 1985 Pats were not the best team in the AFC, but they did represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Still, few people care about Super Bowl losers. Even less care about those that didn’t reach it. It’s time you raise your expectations.
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It's time you go F off
and enjoy your team that hasn’t won a playoff game in 11 years. And please don’t tell me what “playoff wins” earn you. I will appreciate what I appreciate (and many others do) you can appreciate what you do. It is not about “smart” or anything else, unless you think there is some objective grade scale that defines what is important to a fan.
Super Bowl titles earn you a trophy. Conference Championships earn you a trophy.
Playoff victories earn you a later draft pick. Yay…
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And never getting to the playoffs
There is a continuum of achievement in all things. You may want to ascribe ultimate meaning to a single game where a huge underdog has a 1/3 chance of winning, but someone who understands chance and process over outcome understands that that degree of randomness is not so telling. I prefer to look at the fact that in the last two years the Jets beat the 14-2 Patriots and a 13-3 Chargers team that had an 11 game win streak both on their home fields on the way to 2 consecutive AFC Championship games as an achievement that is nearly as meaningful. You say it is not because, hey-winning a single game that is 30% random is what you value. You probably have this view because it comforts the fan of the true loser team (e.g. the Dolphins who have actually only made the playoffs a single time in a decade) to lump 31 teams together-misery loves company. I reject that.
That single game happens to be the Championship.
So yes, it has more value than beating a 14-2 team, which technically has the same % chance of winning.
I say this coming from a team that for 20 years was a constant playoff team and Super Bowl contender. The team had the best winning % in all of American sports. Yes, I say that even during that time, it wasn’t satisfying enough. If you give me the option of beating a rival in the playoffs or winning the Super Bowl, I would take winning a Super Bowl. I believe 99.9% of fans would agree with me.
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I never said it didn't have more value
hence the term “nearly.” In some alternate universe I would certainly prefer the Jets to not have played the Patriots in the 2010 playoffs and won the SB. You seem however to say “if you don’t win the SB then who cares?” That is ridiculous. You damn well know that the Jets have been more successful then the Phins in the last decade and in particular in the last 3 years and that means something. My point about the Patriots is that despite winning the division over the last 5 years they have not won a playoff game since 2007. By a measure that 99.9% of people would agree with the Ryan-led Jets have trumped the Patriots when it counts. Sure the Patriots have won 3 SBs. The last was 2004. In 3 years when Brady is 38 that will start to be a distant memory.
Now you're getting closer
Yes, when it comes down to it, finishing in 10th place in the NFL doesn’t mean much. Championships carry memories and value, playoff wins don’t. Both NE and NYJ made the playoffs and didn’t make it. Arguing who got further before they got booted is like a 7-9 team bragging that they’re better than a 6-10 team. Yippee. Good for you. Glad you like it. I’m sure none of the players settle for it and I’m sure most fans aren’t happy with postseason appearances, but no title.
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you actually don't get it.
Playoff wins carry a ton of value when compared to not making the playoffs (Dolphins for a friggin decade) or not winning playoff games at all (Pats for half a decade). That is the comparison here. Get it?
That's a weak thing to feel good about, but more power to you I guess.
I’d prefer to not lower my expectations.
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And you can try to justify your feelings however you want.
I could say Miami has more division championships (2008) than the Jets in the past decade, but I don’t really care. That division championship didn’t equate to anything of much meaning.
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yeah about that...
yeah Jets are gonna lock up the 2nd wild card, beat the Texans in the 1st round and come back the 2nd straight year to show Tom Brady why the Jets are his biggest threat.
so go ahead and trash talk.
u guys got regular season victories over us sure…
but if last years playoffs indicate anything, watch out.
by macbethanite7 on Dec 19, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Last year's playoffs don't indicate anything.
And there’s still time for you guys to miss a wild card slot.
I don't understand what this means.
The Bills game at the beginning of this season? Pats lost, what’s your point?
By the way...
…I enjoyed your message Crackback.
Great post.
Crack, I love your posts. I don’t think anyone around here is better at pointing out specifically why Schotty sucks.
Football is indeed a game of momentum and it’s a game of will.
Personally, I genuinely believe that when a team has “one of those games” where the every tip, bounce and bump goes against them it’s at least, in some way, part of the psyche of the team. When the Pats blew us away last year, it was strangely clear from the opening of the game that the Jets believed they were going to lose.
Part of being snakebitten is believing that you are. I can pretty much guarantee that when that interception happened, the whole team went, “here we go again.” The Eagles, on the other hand, were saying to themselves, “The Giants lost today and we can make it!” Boom! They were alive and stayed that way.
With that said, I never pictured you as drinking Blue Moon. Haha.
good point about momentum and psyche
Think about the mentality of the OL. It is well known that OLs like to run block. It makes you aggressive, you get to assert your will and push your opponent around. Just think about how the OL experienced that 1st half. They went from opening plays where they were mashing the man in front of them, probably feeling amazing, to looking like jokes.
Okay everyone, I know you are blowing people off the ball, now it is time to fall back and let people over run you. Great game feel.
Thanks cult hero. I'm glad u like my stuff.
And I think u and key are right on the money. U never know when a game is gonna turn. I think the team that can play on their terms, the ones that can dictate, is the one that wins. And when you have two flawed but talented teams like these, the game can get away from u in a hurry if u lose leverage.
We had all the leverage off the bat but we let it slip away. And when we fell in that hole, it was done. Like u said, the Eagles were confident and flying around, playing loose and free. If we were the ones that got up early, I firmly believe that the whole script wouldve been flipped.
by Crackback on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Though I agree with every instance that happened and that Marg Schott would probably be a btter play caller than Schotty, those first two series of plays were probably scripted, so it may not necessarily have been that Schotty struck gold, then decided to lose his mind outsmarting himself,
but most likely was him getting lucky, then getting unlucky with an unadaptable, unintelligent, wimpy, predictable scripted play calling.
Again, the biggest question of all, everyone has asked that bleeds green is: Is Mark Sanchez a dumb jock that needs to be coddled or is Schotty just a terrible playcaller/ designer that is stifling Sanchez, or is it somewhere in the middle and there is just no trust.
Probably the latter and probably best to get rid of schotty and hire someone willing to let Sanchez throw vertically. Being down in the 4th during a blowout and not at least “practicing” downfield throws in a real game situation was s——a——-d.
McCann's is the shit
My boy works the bar several nights a week. Can’t beat like 10 TV’s surrounding you as well as when they break out the free food
You said it, can't beat all the TVs man. Its awesome.
Wait… free food??? What the hell? When do they do this? I just discovered it and have only been there like twice.
can we just ban this guy dudebro already
Is it bad to troll GGN?
It’s so easy.
That’s him in the Pats blog. Dude should grow up and get a job.
It’s been taken care of.
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You got him a job?
That’s awful kind of you and very Christmasy.
by Timmaht on Dec 21, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Now they have the Giants game coming up
Everybody is saying you can make plays on their secondary, and it’s been done all year. What do you think the first 20 plays are going to be?
Well lets just continue this post all week up through when our season ends in Miami.
4.4 yards per completion while running for 4.2 yards per carry, blood pressure up 5 points. 67 pass plays and 25 runs, blood pressure up 10 points. Losing to the team who shares your stadium and probably costing yourself a playoff birth in the process, priceless epic failure.
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