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Does Mark Sanchez really stink?


The QB is playing poorly. He is erratic. He's inconsistent. They need to look at drafting Matt Barkley or another QB. They need to trade for Paton Manning if the Colts grab Luck. Fans are booing the guy before opening kickoff. He's peeked in year 3. He stinks. He still makes rookie mistakes. He stares down his first option. He's the reason the offense is stagnant. There's a lot more negative things I've heard about the guy. Most notably is the completion percentage and the turnovers.

Here's the real deal. This guy is the Franchise QB until at least 2020. If the Jets win a Superbowl, he will be the reason. With all the crap said about this guy, I figured I would see where he really stacks up.

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I just looked at the starting QB's stat wise for this season, and also last season. I only looked at passing yards, touchdowns,and interceptions. I didn't worry about passing percentage or QB ratings. TD's are important because they put offensive points on the board. Interceptions are important because they cause points for the other team. Passing yards are important because they show your offense is moving the ball. I'm not concerned with the 110 other statistical categories you can look at with quarterbacks. And of course the 4th and final category is wins. It don't mean a thing without a W

The standout QB's this year are Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Stafford, and Eli Manning. Those QB's are carrying the team, have a high number of TD's compared to INT's. The next tier below them is Sanchez. He's on par with Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan, and that's it.

For all the crap I've heard about this guy, he's having a better season than Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Michael Vick, Joe Flacco, Matt Shaub, Matt Cassell, Alex Smith, Josh Freeman, Andy Dalton, and several others.

Why is it that the guy can't get recognition the way other QB's do? Tim Tebow can barely throw a ball, but he gets respect as a winner, and a baller? Mark Sanchez hasn't missed a start, which I can't say for Shaub, Vick, Cassel, or Cutler. He's also thrown for 2500 yards and 18 TD's to 11 INT's. If you factor in starting QB wins of the past 2 years, that's around 5th best in the NFL.

I don't care about stats for QB's with the exception of a few. TD's, and Sanchez has 18, and is set to finish around 25. If he can put points on the board 25 times a season, not to mention the 3 or 4 he's scored on the ground himself, I'm happy. He's doing his part. The second important thing is INT's. I'll admit he's thrown them at inopportune times, but when is a good time to throw a pick? As of right now VIck, Rivers, and even Drew Brees have as many or more INT's than Sanchez.

So the guy is 8th in the NFL in TD's despite being 13th in pass attempts. He's 15th in passing yards, but being as though he's middle of the pack in attempts, it isn't abnormal. Point is the guy is winning games, improving on his TD's, yardage, and completion percentage every year. Yet there are still critics that say he is going to be nothing more than middle of the pack quarterback. Bare in mind he's done this with a center that missed some time, and a right tackle that can't play, and while developing chemistry with 3 receivers that have been on the team a total of 1 season before this between them.

Sanchez's game is not going to be a traditional pocket QB, with high accuracy, he's not that kind of player. He's a scrambling, high risk, high reward player, and he is good at it. He reminds me of Elway and/or Favre with his scrambling and arm strength. If they called plays to his strengths, the offense would have been off and rolling a while ago. If the running game that was supposed to be the staple ever returns to form, he will be the class of the NFL for years to come. Before we worry about who's better, let's appreciate how good the guy is that we already have behind center.

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The thing is,

the stats don’t always tell the whole story. For some stupid reason the offense can never seem to get off its ass in the first quarter and come out of the gate swinging. It always needs to gather momentum. If he can take the O on his shoulders and carry them down on methodical drives EVERY time like he’s being PAID to do, I have no problem at all. But he always, ALMOST ALWAYS looks like a deer in the headlights. He needs more confidence and stop being so obvious about every throw he’s going to make. Does he have potential? Yeah, sure he does. But it’s taking way too long to come out of a dude who has all the weapons and tools right in front of him. Also, it’s pissing me off how he hasn’t had a 1000 yard receiver yet. Come ON man. lol

by umohan21 on Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

the plays are scripted in the first quarter

Don’t blame him if they can’t get going. The first 20 plays or so are scripted, and he doesn’t control that. He looks like a dear in headlights because the defensive ends have been baring down on him all season. It also takes Burress about 5 seconds before he gets open, and Santonio Holmes is often double covered. I think the guy is doing a hell of a job with the 1 quality WR, and 1 quality TE he has at his disposal. Plaxico Burress is overvalued because he is making catches, but he’s so slow to seperate, Sanchez is getting smacked waiting for him to get a half a step on a DB.

by manuvsteal on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well here's where I respectfully disagree.

A lot of it has to do with execution. He’s terribly inaccurate. Also, he’s ALWAYS looked like a deer in headlights.Not just this season. If you want a perfect example, take a look at the first series he ever took a snap in: it was a preseason game against the Ravens. Ray Lewis made baby Sanchez want to cry. I’m telling you, this kid has NEVER been the answer for this team. I detest the fact he was drafted by us. Until he shows us that he can complete even 63% of his passes on a consistent basis and bring us a Super Bowl, I won’t be saying otherwise.

by umohan21 on Dec 2, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Then you should probably go away until the Jets win the Super Bowl...

Negativity for the sake of negativity isn’t helping anything…

He’s the starting QB of the New York Jets…get over it…

by Down Since '86 on Dec 2, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not about getting over it.

This is a forum designed to give fans a voice. You can use that voice however you see fit. If it’s negativity that you choose to spew then so be it. That’s what America is all about. Right?

May the Swartz be with you.

by Babygirl71 on Dec 3, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don't want to care about stats

Why don’t you look at the offenses and how the QB plays? Are you really going to say that Sanchez has been doing better than players like Roethlisberger and Schaub because of some of the selective stats? You can try to show them in any way. You can try and use the QB Rating to show that Sanchez is ranked 19th at QB or you can use PFF’s system to show he’s ranked 27th. Just look at the play of the QBs. Based on what I’ve seen of the QBs, I don’t think Sanchez is the 27th ranked QB in the NFL, but I don’t think he’s been better than players like Roethlisberger and Schaub, but you can use stats to make any point you want. They’re easily to manipulate.

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by Finhead83 on Dec 1, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

You said it yourself

Shaub has the best WR in the NFL to throw passes to. It’s not that hard. Holmes is good, but Andre Johnson has been the NFL’s #1 WR the past 3 years or so. Rothlesburger has a good line, a speed demon in Mike Wallace that is always 5 yards open after a 3 yard drop. Sanchez has slower and not as talented receivers. Shaub is always hurt, Sanchez has taken a lickin and kept on tickin. For the record, I didn’t say he’s better. I said he has played a better season than those players and he has. I do think he will be head and shoulders better than Shaub by next year though.

by manuvsteal on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't discredit what Schaub has done because of who he has as a WR.

Do we discredit Peyton or Brady because of their WRS? Schaub has also done very well without Johnson. He went 4-2 and has thrown 8 TDs to 3 INTs without Johnson. He’s also done well in previous years without Johnson.

As for Big Ben, his OL has historically been much worse than that of NYJ and he was doing excellent before Mike Wallace was ever a Steeler. Before that he had Holmes, who is now a Jet, and another slower WR in Ward. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying it that Schaub and Roethlisberger are only good because of their WRs or their OL, especially when the Steelers OL has been just as bad, and generally worse, than the Jets. I also don’t believe Sanchez has played a better season than either of them either.

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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

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by Finhead83 on Dec 1, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pittsburgh Steelers’s O-Line is arguably bottom 5 in the NFL.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (4th Round)

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 2, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're picking stats to make your argument and ignoring the others that hurt your argument

Yeah, 18 passing TDs looks good. Throw in another 3 on the ground. Great. But Sanchez issues are there. For example, Comp % is a glaring issue. Its killing drives. But there is more to it than that. If he is inaccurate, that also means some of those completions are well off target and only the great play of the receivers has allowed the play to be made. And if a receiver must contort himself to make the catch, then he isn’t going to get very far after the catch.
You can hand pick stats or you can watch the games. And I watch the games and see that he is a struggling, middle of the pack-to-bottom of the pack QB..

by CervezaVerde on Dec 1, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, in Madden football, did you ever disproportionate pass for TDs to win stats?

They could have mixed in the run at any point. Stat padding is not unheard of.

by CervezaVerde on Dec 2, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

You think Schotty is capable of calling a coherent string of plays over the course of an entire game to pad someones stats?

Let’s face it schotty can barely call for a pizza…: “I’d like a large with pepperon-, no wait they’ll be expecting pepperoni…a large with anchovies..nobody like anchovies, they’ll never expect me to order that..”. “…Sir this is a dry cleaners..” "Perfect can you tell me what plays I should call Sunday..? Dry cleaner hangs up the phone “Well that’s just great..now I’ll have to go with the monkey again, come on Play Monkey let’s go game plan for tomorrow!!” -A day in the life of Brian Schottenhimer.

by RhodesRocks on Dec 2, 2011 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why would you run the ball when you have wide open receivers in the end zone? When we are a few minutes away from losing the game, stat padding sounds like a strange motive to have, imo.

by Melrenee on Dec 2, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

and against a team that has lost how many of there def players!!

sorry I dont buy into your well he Threw 4 td pass;s crap!!!…How any did he throw against Denver? how Many against NE(both games)..how many "pick-6’s has He thrown in past 3 games(Buffalo-Denver-NE)

say what you want, BUT 3yrs in league and he is still a 3yr wonder…#1 Can not read a DEF-Coverage.Proof?.well after Denver game in post-game interview He “ADMITS” His rec was well covered YET still threw towards him why?..end result another PICK-6!!!!!

Game against NE(pick-6) LT #1 was in no position to even catch the ball YET the Great SANCHEZ still threw the ball why?..

I will give him due credit though for in His 3yrs He has managed too add 2 new words he knows quite well..Kill-Kill!!! everytime he calls that @ the line,the play HE has CALLED fail;s!!!

yet everyone sits here and blames the OC..wrong…OC calls in the play But Mr. Me “eliteQB” think this play is better,makes the change and is proven wrong!!!!

face it, and I have seen it with other teams,when a OL has no trust/faith in there QB,the sacks will add-up..see Denver-NE games.8 sacks allowed!!!!!..and I have seen that OL-stance fail, like NE had a QB named Plunkett..never gave him protection and let Him go.Goes to Oakland and How many SB;s did he win!!!!

BUT when a QB during a post game interview STATES he LOST a Game(Denver, when by all accounts it was the jets DEF. that lost the Game!!!!).that Too me shows a telling Sign,and that Is this QB hasnt fully grasped the TEAM aspect…It is a TEAM Win and a TEAM-LOST!!!..once he learns that maybe He might be better respected by His OL…..

so did He deserve those “boo;s” some say Yes and other;s saying No..BUt when a TEAM is paying a player x-amount of Dollars,I think Fans expect too see a Player play for what He is being paid!!!…I mean it is there Hard earned dollars that help support this QB!!!!…If a fan is paying out all that HIGH$$$ for a family of 4..then ya I feel he has a right to express His feelings!!!!..as do alot of OTHER teams fans!!!!

big deal he won 4-play-off games, I mean u go into play-off games to win dont you?…BUT bottom line is that they didnt go any further than those wins either!!!!!…

I at times feel REX is putting extra pressure on the TEAm BY His stupid Predictions!!!!.come on every team that plays the Game seeks to go to the Show, thats why they play the game..BUT they dont go around bragging every YR, that this is the YR only to see head Coach was Wrong!!!.that tends to deflate a team…You only can build-up so many times…

also REX again didnt help HIS TEAM either when he came out and STATED that "HE NEEDS “OTHER-TEAMS” to beat NE, so His Team can have home-field advantage..Too me that said it too a “T”…meaning he knew His Team couldnt Beat NE..and it was proven lost Both Games!!!!

and also Both these loss;s to NE the DEF players ALL said they didnt have the RIGHT people on the field…and REX calls DEF-PLAYS/Players on field!!!!!

by Jack2466 on Dec 4, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

point I'm making

is this guy is unfairly scrutinized, and he is in a class that I said. I did hand pick some stats, but the fact of the matter is stats don’t lie. He is doing better every year, and he is doing better than alot of other “franchise” quarterbacks in the stats I pointed out.
Big Ben has a better line, better running game, and better receivers at this point. Sanchez is making it work with patchwork receivers and a spotty running game. Completion % is not a glaring weakness. It doesn’t matter if you complete 55% or 75%, as long as you can put it in the end zone and complete 3rd downs. You can complete 1 of every 3 passes, and as long as it’s on 3rd down and you get a 1st, your good to go.

by manuvsteal on Dec 1, 2011 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

I can't believe you even wrote that.

I don’t know when Big Ben’s line became so wonderful. He’s running for his life every game.

Stats do sometimes lie. They can be manipulated to say almost anything.

And accuracy matters a lot. If you complete that second down pass, more than likely 3rd down will be a lot more manageable. You will have a lot more options. 3rd and long will get your QB killed. And as previously stated, you have to hit your WR in stride to maximize YAC. That you can’t see on a stat sheet. You have no idea how important accuracy is.

May the Swartz be with you.

by Babygirl71 on Dec 3, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Sanchez could play better

However, I also feel that this team is not that good, and I blame the front office for not making any moves to bring in impact players. There is no receivers to stretch the field. Holmes can go long, but you need tall receivers when you are throwing balls down the field and up for grabs. The defense has one impact player, but that’s it. This team needs a talent infusion. Preferably at OT, LB (both inside and out), WR and especially safety. RB is suspect also. So guys want to change the QB, it would set this franchise back about 5 years, since these other positions needs to be upgraded too.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, QB is the last position the Jets should be worried about

The Jets had the best O line two years ago, the top five last year…..and this season they are a joke! HUNTER YOU FREAKIN SUCK, SMITH YOU CANT COVER OR TACKLE, GREENE….where is the post season rookie RB that tore it up in 09’??? If the Jets had a great O line like they’ve had the past two years, they would be 9-2. But if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle, so the ‘if’ game doesn’t matter here. The Jets front office needs to seriously get their priorities in check. The glaring problems at certain positions should be all the more reason for a refined, laser focus on FA and rookie signing this off-season. But before they even look at personnel, they need another serious reality check and take a close look at finding a new offensive coordinator. No point in fixing up the car if the driver can’t even get the engine running.

by erok2424 on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice breakdown; Sanchez is a winner, Schotty is a lost cause

Thank you! I think the majority of Jets fans who have watched every game the last 3 seasons will agree that Mark Sanchez is not the problem. In fact its quiet the opposite, Sanchez is an excellent QB, and if they had a OC who had any clue about winning and running a real offense in the NFL, we would be hearing the exact opposite from the critics. Watch number 6 in the two minute drill, hurry up offense and fourth quarter; when the coaching staff has no choice but to put more control into his hands, and the kid can flat out play football and win games. He has a natural feel for the game, and when Schotty isn’t yapping garbage into his ear, the Jets get into a rhythm. When he is rolling out of the pocket and on the move, he is scanning and assessing his options (naturally) and going through his reads, and most of all, is much more accurate. I see none of this going on this season!! WHY!? And good god, if you take a compilation of all the routes called on third down, an alarming amount never even get the receiver close to the first down marker. Then when they do get some plays moving them down field, they change it up immediately. Im not asking Schotty to run the same exact play if it worked before, but recognize what did work and implement it into your future calls. I’ve seen Dustin Keller tear it up one game, and then go completely M.I.A the next game. It’s like Schotty is trying way to hard at staying a step ahead of the competition, and is just staying a step ahead of his own offense. Sanchez has proven he can win, Schotty has proven he can beat the Jets…..Lets go Tannenbaum! you didnt address the D line or the O line, you screwed up on FA pick ups (aside Plax), and have proven to any Vet on gang green you show no loyality. Get us a freakin tackle who can block, (not one who just looks like they can block) get us someone to clog the gaps and get a SS who can cover!!!!!! MARK SANCHEZ is the SANCHIZE! get a OC that knows how to score and the team can do the rest.

by erok2424 on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

I agree 99%

You are spot on with your assessment of the playcalling. Sanchez is taking the heat for a incompetant OC who has no feel for the games flow. The only point I disagree on is that Mike T did not address the D-line. I think the two rookies (Wilkerson & Dixon )will be studs for us as they develop. We need to desperately find a T to keep Sanchez upright and a SS that can cover a TE. I have not been able to figure why we don’t press and clock the TE at the line because once they get going our S gets beat like a drum…too slow & too small.

by NYCKID on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry wrong!!

OC Doesnt throw those PICK-6;s..when the want-a be great One Sanchez yells out His 2 favorite words(that he has fully mastered in His 3yrs) Kill-Kill.then when play fails it is 100% Sanchez fault Not the OC!!!.face it in 3 yrs HE STILL CAN NOT READ a DEF!!!!..when U have a QB that too my opinion His still lost in a LA FOG!!!.comes out after Denver Game @ post game interview and says #1.He lost the Game and #2 He saw HIS rec was well covered YET still threw the ball..right there is proof he isn’t a soon to be Elite QB!!!..maybe when He plays Madden instead of watching game film he is such a QB..BUT on Game day hardly seen as such!!!

He rightly deserved those BOO’s!!!..He isnt playing the way He is being paid!!!! being 1 of the highest paid QB this yr in league!!!!…I myself see the kid in Carolina Reaching ELITE Status well b/4 Sanchez!!!!..and the Kid Dalton give him a better line and u’ll see his ranking go up as well!!!!

But I think where alot of u all are failing to grasp is that during the week,ALL the COACH;s go over ALL the PLAYS..and the PLAYS they decide upon is BASE basically over there QB abilities!!! the FINAL say on plays CALLED is REX!!!…

also How Much Is jets paying Brunell? I mean He was kept to Teach the kid..yet everytime Sanchez throws a pick-6 or is sacked and heads to sidelines..BRUNELL nowhere in sight..You never SEE HIM over there talking with the Kid!!!….

How many times this yr have certain players “called-out” Sanchez…I mean Holmes has done it a few times “in-directly”..

BUT Sanchez still hasnt Grasp that is is a TEAM that Wins and a TEAM that suffers a LOST!! He has to stop assumming that HE alone lost a game…OR He alone WON the game!!!! once he learns this aspect of the game maybe he might produce!!!!

by Jack2466 on Dec 4, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

One problem with the stats

Completion percentage is a direct cause of all three of the stats you mention: more completions equals more touchdowns, less passes falling in the hands of defenders, and more yardage. Sanchez’ completion percentage has improved marginally, by a factor of 1 completion per 100 attempts from 2009 to 2010, and by 1.5 from 2010 to so far this year. That’s a snail’s pace, at best. Sanchez needs to make better passes if he’s going to be a winning quarterback.
But hey, at this rate, he’ll be league average in completion percentage by 2015.
Food for thought.

by dolley1714 on Dec 2, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

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