Jets 28 Bills 24: Gang Green Wins Despite Lackluster Performance
The Jets ended their two game losing streak with a 28-24 win over the Buffalo Bills today at MetLife Stadium. New York is now 6-5 and still somehow in the AFC Playoff picture. This was not the prettiest effort. The Jets did not really resolve any of the concerns the fans had. They still got themselves back into the win column.
More after the jump.
The Good:Plaxico Burress: Burress had a pair of exceptional catches on the final New York drive that resulted in the winning touchdown. He also had a touchdown grab earlier on his way to a 4 catch, 54 yard, 1 touchdown afternoon. Burress was not perfect. He left some plays on the field, but the Jets do not win today if he does not make some spectacular plays.
Dustin Keller: Like Burress, Keller had a couple of balls he could have come down with, but he also made some great grabs on some errant throws. He had 4 catches for 54 yards, and 2 touchdown grabs.
Santonio Holmes: You know how for months the Jets kept faking end arounds to Holmes consistently on run plays? They finally took advantage of setting teams up for it today, running Holmes twice for 28 yards. He also had the winning touchdown, a 16 yard grab on a broken play. Improvising with Ben Roethlisberger is where he helped make a name for himself in Pittsburgh. That touchdown catch was reminiscent of what he did there.
Offensive Line: These guys were really the standouts of the game for the Jets. In past weeks, part of Mark Sanchez's problem has been getting rattled by being hit so much. The line was not responsible for Sanchez's issues today. He frequently had plenty of time. The Bills did not register a sack and generally were never close. They also blew the Bills off the ball in the running game, especially in the second half.
Shonn Greene: As the year has gone on, I have loved what I have seen from Greene more and more. He took advantage of those huge hole, averaging 6 yards per carry on a 13 carry, 78 yard game. He was exploding through holes and finishing his runs.
Joe McKnight: Good things happen when you get him the ball. He had 40 yards from scrimmage on 7 offensive touches. This includes an ugly shovel pass late in the game in which he had no chance. Just as significant, he had a big blitz pickup on one of Burress' big grabs on the final drive. He is starting to come along as a pass blocker. Things get interesting now. The Jets have been leery of using Joe on offense. Frankly, based on how he is playing, it is difficult to justify LaDainian Tomlinson getting touches over him once LT is healthy. Will it be about seniority or production?
David Harris: He was making plays all over the field. He tied Darrelle Revis for the team lead with 8 tackles and had a sack. The difference is Harris was making big plays to limit Buffalo's success on the ground while Revis was making tackles after Bills completions against him. This was the guy the Jets wanted to see when they gave him that big contract extension.
Aaron Maybin: Let's not turn this into some story where Maybin was slighted by the Bills and gets revenge. He was complete bust for them and by most accounts had a bad attitude his entire time in Buffalo. He deserved to be cut. With that said, I am thrilled he is making as much of an impact as he is. I was against bringing him in, and Aaron has proven me completely wrong. He has been a force as a situational pass rusher with 2 sacks today. The biggest play he made, though, came on the final drive. He applied pressure that forced Ryan Fitzpatrick to throw early and miss Stevie Johnson in the end zone for the winning score.
Sione Pouha: Pouha dominated the point of attack just like he did in the first meeting. He finished with 4 tackles and drew blockers to allow Harris to make plays when he didn't. Buffalo had just about no success running up the middle.
Mike Devito: Devito was also very stout at the point of attack. He drew a pair of holding penalties in this one.
Muhammad Wilkerson: Here is another lineman who held up well. Every week it feels like we get a flash of the kind of monster Wilkerson is going to become once he figures things out on the pro level. He had a couple tackles for a loss today.
Ropati Pitoitua: Ropati was quiet but effective today.
Nick Folk: It would be great if he could make those touchbacks a trend.
Kyle Wilson: Wilson was probably the best corner the Jets had today. The Bills tested him a few times, but he held his own. The completions he allowed were not really bad within the context of time, down, and distance.
Emanuel Cook: He showed great awareness locating and falling on the ball on the kickoff that accidentally hit him. It set up a big touchdown.
The Bad:
Mark Sanchez: It is like I said about Tim Tebow a week ago. It is great he performed in the clutch, and Mark did perform in the clutch. He made some good reads and put the ball where it needed to be. Improvising on the winning score was fantastic. What he did the first 55:00 of the game was not nearly good enough and will not be good enough for the team to have a chance most weeks. I think you would be hard pressed to find a less productive 4 touchdown game.
Sanchez did not seem to understand the coverage shells the Bills played against him today. He forced too many balls when there was safety help deep and the corners could squat on anything short. He easily could have had more than one interception. The irony is the one people will point to is the one in the red zone that I did not think was a bad read. Sanchez had Patrick Turner. He just needed to elevate the football better on that one. There were other instances, though, where he did make potentially big mistakes.
His accuracy was not good either. He finished under 50% on the day. Even among his completions, you could probably count the number that were on target on one hand.
Hopefully the touchdown gets his confidence up because it feels like he is trying to make too much happen and rushing his reads.
Coaching: From top to bottom, the coaching really left a lot to be desired out there. I know this is perhaps speculative, but the Jets really did not show a ton of urgency early in a must win game. They sleepwalked through the first half.
The question of whether Mark Sanchez or Brian Schottenheimer is the problem is a fake one right now. Both are. To suggest Sanchez's poor play excuses Schottenheimer for what he is doing poorly is wrong. Schottenheimer's job is to make the most of what he has. He is not doing that. What he had was a quarterback struggling with confidence and not making good reads. He did not give Sanchez easy throws to put him into a comfort zone. He gave him a ton of difficult throws down the field. Today's game plan was the opposite extreme of what the Jets had done all year long. They usually never tested an opponent down the field. Today it was all taking shots. Where is the happy medium?
The Jets offensive line was blowing the Bills off the ball. Why not focus on building on the run game? I am not sure the Jets have the personnel to be a successful power run team in the long term without Damien Woody or the ability to use Wayne Hunter or Robert Turner as extra tight ends. This week, it could have worked. The Jets averaged 6 yards per run. They threw it 60% of the time today. That doesn't make sense. Neither does Joe McKnight getting two touches with the offense struggling in the first half. Why not utilize the biggest playmaker on the roster? What took so long. Speaking of things that did not make sense, let's talk about the series after a touchdown drive. The Jets built what they did on that touchdown drive off the power run game. The next time they get it, they try three throws down the field. How about the first half when the Jets threw a fade to Santonio Holmes, the starting receiver who is not 6'5." Sanchez is a problem. That does not excuse the coaches for failing to utilize their team in the most likely way to find success.
I also wonder whether Sanchez is getting the kind of detailed instruction from his coaches about his fundamentals that Rich Gannon provided on CBS today. It feels like whenever Sanchez struggles, we get a gimmick. We get a color code. We get, "Don't make mistakes." We get a buzzer to time how quickly he gets the ball out. Charley Casserly noted in the CBS pregame how Sanchez's fundamentals are messed up lately because he is rushing things. That is probably a result of the buzzer. What the Jets have is a quarterback struggling to identify coverage shells, and their solution seems to be, "Brunell, take some snaps with the first team."
The coaching issues go beyond Schottenheimer, though. The Jets had to burn two timeouts today because they messed up personnel on defensive substitutions. Who is in charge of making sure the right people are on the field? Every week it feels we see them messing up personnel groupings. Why does this keep happening?
And Mike Westhoff has to take a hit this week for putting Antonio Cromartie back there on a punt. Jim Leonhard had the wind knocked out of him, but why pick Cromartie? Cro has problems with catching kickoffs with nobody bearing down on him. Find somebody with better hands. Everybody saw that fumble coming.
The blame ultimately must fall on the head coach. We all love Rex Ryan, but when so many of his deputies are not doing the job, he needs to correct things.
Darrelle Revis: It was the odd bad game for Revis. He was not very physical in press coverage. There was only one time he was really beaten downfield by Stevie Johnson. Johnson just kept getting inside him on slants. Maybe Revis was overcompensating after Johnson beat him deep in the first meeting. He wanted to make sure Johnson could not beat him long.
Garrett McIntyre: It felt like the Bills were really targeting him in the run game in the first half. A lot of C.J. Spiller's successful runs were outside at McIntyre when the linebacker failed to set the edge.
Bart Scott: Bart left a couple of plays on the field getting beaten in space and failing to set the edge.
Antonio Cromartie: The Brad Smith touchdown was not his fault from the standpoint he was in good position in coverage and did not allow a clean reception. It was just a lucky bounce. It was his fault from the standpoint he fumbled the punt. Just because he should not have been out there does not excuse his failure to catch the punt. If it was a tough play, he should have just let it go. The Jets had just taken the lead and gotten a quick stop. Getting it back was the most important thing. Cro also missed a third down tackle to extend the field goal drive that gave the Bills the lead and was legitimately beaten a few times in coverage.
Receivers Leaving Plays on the Field: Burress, Holmes, and Keller were productive. There was more they could have done to pick up a struggling quarterback, though. I counted at least seven passes that were incomplete in part because somebody failed to run a sharp route, did not come to the ball, or did not extend for it. Sanchez's throws were a bit off the mark. These were balls that COULD have been caught, not SHOULD have been, but receivers picking up a quarterback can make a difference.
Brodney Pool: We all wanted him to see more time at Eric Smith's expense. We got our wish today. Pool was not good. He took bad angles to ball carriers, had a facemask penalty, and was beaten in coverage, including on a play that could have resulted in a winning touchdown for Buffalo with a better throw.
Other Thought:
- This game was certainly frustrating. I cannot help think about the past, though. How many times have the Jets been the bad opponent that the other team plays a sloppy game against but ekes out a victory? It is nice to finally have a team that is good enough and has the kind of expectations to not be fully satisfied after a win.
Much work remains, but the good news is the Jets are back in the win column and still in the Playoff race. There is still time to fix things out. It is all about staying alive so the team has a shot to get hot at the right time. Sometimes you need to get away with one like New York did today.
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Great write up
While I agree with all of it, I especially liked the criticism of the coaching. If we want to be a ground and pound team, why wouldn’t we do it today against a team that we were running on quite well? Schotty is too hung up on “doing what no one will expect” rather than doing what will work against this opponent. I also think Rex has to stop being the loyal friend to players (especially Sanchez) and start being the head coach who holds his staff and players accountable. His post game press conference was a delusional joke.
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No love for Patrick Turner ?
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Nov 27, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Worries
It looked like Shonn Greene’s ribs were still bothering him — picking himself up slowly after each run, and I got the impression that they resting him more than usual.
It’s hard to see on TV, but it looked, again, like Plax — terrific as he was i the clutch — and Tone were not getting much if any separation from defenders, but that’s more Tone’s game than Plax’s. On the 3d down flat pass, Tone was still jogging downfield when the ball hit the ground. It was a crucial 3-yd 3d down! A comeback was all set up. Really looked like he had checked out.
Sanchez is streaky. This was a very poor game for him. He’s not that inaccurate normally. today he looked like Tebow. Hope the next streak is in otehr direction.
agree
The irony is the one people will point to is the one in the red zone that I did not think was a bad read. Sanchez had Patrick Turner. He just needed to elevate the football better on that one.
This was not a bad throw really, and it wasn’t that close to an INT either. But it did seem to typify how the Bills just followed his eyes and undercut the route all day.
your sig...lol
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by YoungMoney24 on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
the sig is the truth though
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
if u want him talked up, then talk him up.
What the hell are you waitin around for me to do it for? I’ve given him mucho props. If ur not satisfied with that then that’s on u.
We have fun about Kenrick bc he’s an enigma. He’s a monster and an athletic freak that nobody’s heard of or really seen play. We want to see him.
by Crackback on Nov 27, 2011 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
your right I should be talking him up more
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
Pool was not good. He took bad angles to ball carriers, had a facemask penalty, and was beaten in coverage, including on a play that could have resulted in a winning touchdown for Buffalo with a better throw.
He also looked to be beat before that for a likely touchdown, on a pure drop here
Maybe Revis was overcompensating after Johnson beat him deep in the first meeting. He wanted to make sure Johnson could not beat him long.
Rex sounded like somehow this coverage was part of a plan, at the press conference. But I was shocked to see Revis beaten deep again (just out of bounds), and all day short too.
I think that was for the final drive.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
We didn't make it to two straight AFC Championship Games by blowing out our opponents
We did it by winning games like this. So lets all just enjoy the W.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM EST reply actions
On the same note, we have had no home playoff games because of a similar reason,
offensive ineptitude.
Note: I think this was the first time all year Holmes lead in targetings (9)
only 2 receptions, though
After the Denver game I really was convinced that this team was primed for a 4 game win streak, and a season-defining game against the Giants. But with 10 days to prepare, with Jackson out, and despite being at home this was a painfully difficult win which required miracle catches by Plax and Keller, and a flat out drop by Johnson. It just does not look like a well-coached team that is on the same page. And they still can’t score in the first quarter (??, hello)
Is this team a team that looks like it is about to go on a win streak?
At least we are playing Washington, but the team feels like it is in disarray.
The lack of accountability for the slow starts and the ill-preparedness
is really startling. Rex has yet to learn that sometimes you have to throw people under the bus when it is deserved. You can still have there back though, but no one is taking responsibility here.
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 27, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
the crazy thing is with all the jets have done to show how they play like crap
the next two games are against VERY sub par opponent,s (cincy plays HOU & Pitt) so who knows how the playoff picture can two weeks from now with an 8-5 record?
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typos suck
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by YoungMoney24 on Nov 27, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hou
is down to a 3rd string rookie QB. Damn Cincy almost lost to the Browns today. Too bad.
It was a close one
Lots of drops on the last drive from Browns receiving corp.
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Good and
Well analyzed especially the coaching part of it. While the W is much needed in their push to the playoffs, this team still need to improve tremendously because better teams would capitalize on the Jets often miscues. The Bills called some headscratching playcalls, that made me wonder at some point, if they really wanted a win.
Reminds me of the last two seasons
Dominant runs early in the year, a run of losses, a bunch of so-so games that we shouldn’t win but win anyway.
Now The Jets just need to pull off a bunch of wins, I don’t care how, and get to the Playoffs. Once they are in the playoffs they are a different team.
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ya maybe they are
But if they play against the Giants and Eagles as they did today, I see 2 lose;s heading Jets way!!!..Bengals@7-4,next game Houston who will be using a 3rd QB..so they;ll be 8-4…I fear that both the Miami and WASH.Games can be TRAP-GAMES!!!…when we play KC,Orton will be there QB…..Philly while OUT of post season can play as road-blocks!! ..keep fingers crossed that VICKS rib;s keep him out..also Giants pass-rush is scary!!!!!….Right now both Steelers&Bengals have a wild-card slot wrapped-up!!!!..also Denver is 6-5….
BUT Sanchez has to pick-up HIS agme and LEARN to read a defense!!!!!!!!.that isnt the OC error if Sanchez can’t read the coverages!!!!!..it is ALL on Sanchez!!!!..as for def errors they rest with REX!!! He calls in the def plays!!!!…toss-up who plays Smith or POOL..both are lost!!!!!
hey guys
i know it wasn’t pretty, but this is still a decent team. we might have pulled away if cro didn’t fumble that ball. it was a win that was reminicent of the 19-13 win in 09. this was just against a better bills team. we are still alive and we have an easy next 2 games. lets take it week by week. the bengels barley beat the browns. same for the titans. the bengals are playing pitt next week. lets stay positive. lt and kerley should beback soon. that will help things
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Agree with most points...
But please john b, don’t get like the main stream media and reinvent history to suit a fact or because you dont like a player. I have read.many articles on Maybin and even went to the Bills site to see what they thought. By all accounts he was a good kid, worked hard but just couldn’t do what they asked. Where did you see or hear he had a bad attitude? GGN is and you are too good for that, leave that for the Meyers and Ciminis of the world.
by george JETson on Nov 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
George, you’re too good of a poster to make such an insulting and unfounded accusation. Bills fans on this site have verified everything I said. And don’t tell me what I think of a player. I like Maybin.
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i just went through the Daily News and Post archives...
I didnt do a full web search cuz Im on my phone. I read quotes fr. om buff coaches and players saying his work ethic was good he just wasnt big enough. Tomorrow I will give links. Im not insulting you, I appreciate you and the site. But saying he had a bad attitude in buff…where did you get that? I went on there site for the first game and they seem to think like.VG he just wasnt good. I didnt read any bad attitude comments. I assumed you didnt like him but.he.seems to be winning you over.
by george JETson on Nov 27, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
.The summary is right on
I was at the games today, and was at the NE game two weeks ago. It’s time to call it like it is – this is not a playoff team. From top to bottom there are flaws and they are not being corrected.
Let’s start with coaching. There is no point in going on any more about Schotty – his game plans are abysmal. That shovel pass near the end of the game says it all – don’t play to your strengths or the opponent’s weaknesses – try to be smarter than they are even when there is no need. I’m calling out Rex Ryan. First, this team was not ready again for the third week in a row in a critical game coming out of the gate. Defensive confusion was rampant again, especially during the TV timeouts. Poor time management and no sense of urgency in critical situations. At least they didn’t put McKnight back on the punt but everyone in the stands knew a fumble was coming with Cro there. And then the positive post game spin on the entire mess is getting too hard to take. Even the SNY post game crew wasn’t buying it any more. The entire coaching staff has done a sub par job the last three games. I know what it was like before he came here, but this team has hit a plateau. If Rex can’t start to make the hard decisions then maybe he has too – he’s reached his top level as a coach. This could be called the Marty principle in honor of Schotty’s father. it’s time for Mr T. to step up to the plate and if he can’t then we are not just in trouble this year, we could be in for a few years of similar results if no changes are made.
All that being said, the players still have to be professional and execute. There were mental mistakes all over the field. The BIlls first TD drive was a 90 yarder, and if Johnson holds onto that ball at the end we are talking about another devastating loss instead of a win because of another blown coverage, and Revis getting beaten, as he was most of the day. Johnson ate him alive, and if FItzgerald had thrown more his way he would have had an even bigger day
I’ll give Sanchez another year with new coaches – another year with these coaches and he’ll never be any good. This was far and away the worst performance I have ever seen by a QB who threw 4 TD’s. A better secondary would have picked him off 5 or 6 times. He was constantly late – he almost got Holmes killed on one pass that was so far behind him it wasn’t funny. On a critical third and 2 Sanchez was throwing an out and Holmes was going deep. Even on the final touchdown, with Holmes wide open – HE PUMPED THE BALL!!
It was so discouraging to watch this game – on that last drive they played a prevent defense that reminded me of the worst days of the Herm Edwards era. This is not the same team as the last two years. Those teams were tough in the clutch – they didn’t beat themselves with mental errors. They are still a good team, better than average. But they are not a playoff team.
dammit
you should know from thre last 2 years that this is a different team come playoff time. you’ve followed the last 2 seasons, i asume? they were 4-6? were they a playoff team? well they got pretty far, i think. never say that unless it is a fact. it is not a fact. cincy is playing ptt. if we beat a team that has just snapped their 6 game losing streak, we will be tied.
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ur also forgetting that the COLTS allowed us to be in that 1st playoff round!!!!!..I am sorry if you or others dont agree with My views BUT Sanchez has re-gressed..after 3yrs he STILL can-not read a coverage!!!!..Heck as bad as Tebow is,He can at least READ a def coverage..same with A.dalton…REX has too stop placing Sanchez on a pedestal….what are jets paying Brunell for anyways?..I mean I keep hearing he is there to Guide Sanchez..well funny isnt it when Sanchez goes 3 & Out or throws a interception and goes to side-lines BRUNELL is nowhere NEAR Sanchez!!..why?…..watch other teams,and there back-ups come over to there Starting QB after such mishaps BUT NOT Brunell!!!!!
I for one am not on the bandwagon to get rid of the OC….why? well when Our 3yr wonder calls out those “Kill-Kill” words,then that play HE is calling is HIS choice over HOW “HE” has read into a coverage and BINGO Sanchez has failed…games against NE & denver he calls a “kill-kill” and throws a pick-6!!!! that is all upon Sanchez..NOT the OC…..Game against Denver he admits during post-game Interview that He saw that HIS rec was well “covered” yet still threw it HIS way WHY?…..this is why I am saying this yr Sanchez has regressed….Today;s game HIS REC;s saved HIS BUTT!!!!….but I also say he is wrong for HIS constantly saying after a Game.."we lost because of me..or WE won because of ME!!..NO MARK it is a TEAM;s effort..NOT a one-man;s effort!!!!!..why He feels when the DEFENSE failed too stop Tebow it was HIS fault!!!!…
He probably feels like the pick 6 was the reason they lost..
In which case it was his fault. I would rather have our QB man up instead of make excuses and toss the blame on the D.
by RhodesRocks on Nov 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Another blame Sanchez for taking responsibility comment? Really?
You make some good points (or maybe I was just convinced because of the liberal use of ALLCAPS). But you need to keep things in perspective. Sanchez is a 3rd year QB. Would I like him to be further along? Yes. Would I prefer fewer errors reading defenses? Of course. But I’m not shocked at his level of play and if the Jets ran more and played better D there would be a lot less whining about the QB play.
by square1 on Nov 28, 2011 10:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
come on thats overreacting a bit don't you think
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
I don't think it's overreacting to look at your team objectively after 2/3 of a season.
You can point to the strike, lack of OTA’s and shortened training camp for a lot of the issues early on, but this is a veteran team and they are not playing, especially on defense, like a team in the third year of a system. The fact that everyone expects them to turn it on again like they did the last two years is wishful thinking. To be honest, the way they came out today, I think THEY expected to turn it on whenever they wanted and win the game. I also think they disrespect the Bills – go back an look at the comments after the win earlier this year.
Also, with Denver and Tennessee winning today, we are now 9th in the AFC. Don’t start comparing schedules and tell me we have the easier schedule. 3 weeks back I think you would have been hard pressed to find a Jets fan who didn’t think we would be at least 7-4 if not 8-3 going into the Washington game. We are 6-5 and very lucky to be that. No game is a given the rest of the way, and Washington won on the road this week – I know, it’s Seattle and Pete Carroll, but a road win is a road win. They will be coming him on a high and don’t underestimate their defense.
Saying they won and Sanchez should get kudos for the 4 TD’s doesn’t make all the other issues go away. No one where I was sitting was confident that the D wod hold and keep the Bills from coming back to win the game. And THAT is the BIG change from the last two years.
by Traveling Man on Nov 27, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think
the mac had a bad game at all. he may have had some inconsistencies but overall i thought he was solid
Sanchez had 4 TDs and threw for every single on of our 28 points and you put him in the bad?

Honestly some people will never be happy, he got a W and put up four TDs…thats a good day in my book…could he have done better?, yeah he could of…did he win and put up points when it counted…yes. So bitch all you want I will take four TDs and a W every week from Sanchez no matter how it looks..
by RhodesRocks on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
all 4 were on passes a 3rd string QB makes.
3 wide open receivers with NO Bills even on the screen and one where Keller was wide open and dragged a bunch of guys in the endzone. If not for 2 amazing plays by Keller and Plax on inaccurately thrown balls, 2 of those 4 TD drives would have been killed. All this and still below 50% passing on a team what had given up close to 110 points in their last 3 games and was bad before that. Honestly-it IS accurate to say this was the most misleading and unimpressive 4 TD game in recent NFL history.
You sir are one of the people who are never happy...
We got the W, he came through in the clutch..he made the throws when he had to..are you saying you wouldn’t take 4 TDs and a W from Sanchez every week no matter how it looked?
by RhodesRocks on Nov 27, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Idk why they're killing the kid for his performance.
I mean look at Tebow and Denver…
by jets4life24 on Nov 27, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you.
And Keller deserves a big shout out for all his catches today – he toughed out extra yards on several of them including the one TD. HE came to play and it showed. He even blocked well on a couple of Greene’s runs.
by Traveling Man on Nov 27, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
maybe this will start a pattern of him becoming an even better blocker
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
And one more point...
The O-line gave him incredible protection all day, and on most of the incompletions he was throwing to his first read INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE!! HE was nervous in the pocket all day, dancing with his happy feet, and other than checkdowns rarely looked to his alternate targets. And whenever he audibled, the BIlls knew what was coming. How do I know – on one play he audibled and threw a pass to Turner WHO WAS DOUBLE COVERED!!! WHO DOUBLE COVERS PATRICK TURNER!!!! And seeing that, either Keller or Holmes had to be open and they were AND HE NEVER LOOKED AT EITHER!!!
by Traveling Man on Nov 27, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I would be nervous considering what happen the last two weeks
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
And Homers are going to make excuses
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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 27, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lol your funny...
Just because I’m not a pessimistic Jets fan like yourself doesn’t make me homer..Some people are seriously never happy with anything, in Oakland Sanchez had 369 yards 2 TDs and an INT…people were calling for his head cuz he had a lot of yards but didn’t do enough to win. This time he puts up four TDs and pulls out a win and your not happy because it didn’t look pretty. We’re 6-5, god damn it and in the hunt for the playoffs we can bitch about our QB having a four TD win today or we can buckle the f down, trust him and make run at this. To do that we need to win games, not look pretty doing it.
by RhodesRocks on Nov 27, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
You're the one taking offense to any criticism of him
I like the kid, but he’s just an average QB. He hasn’t gotten a lot better and he may never be an elite QB. Just a decent one. But I can certainly feel free to criticize him when he throws the ball like crap for most of the day. He had a ton of time and was missing throws all over the place. The TDs he had were to wide open receivers.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 27, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez was in the winners section on yahoo but can't even get into the good section on our own blog...
“New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez(notes) didn’t post the prettiest numbers (17 of 35 for only 180 yards), but his four touchdown passes were critical as the Jets came back against the Buffalo Bills. Sanchez still has a long way to go, but these are the games that continue to give Jets fans hope, however faint it sometimes seems. A key pass down the stretch was an 18-yarder to wide receiver Plaxico Burress(notes) on third-and-11 on the final drive. That set up the 16-yard touchdown pass to Santonio Holmes(notes) for the game-winner.” -From Yahoo’s Jason Cole, who normally takes every chance he can to hate on the Jets.
Yahoo frequently doesn't know what they are talking about when it comes
to specifics about a team. That’s what pushed me toward a more closely related news source to get my Jets news and opinions.
All im saying is Sanchez had a four TD day and pulled out the win for us in the clutch..
He had a QB rating of 123 in the second half completed 60% of his passes and put up two TDs with no turn overs. I don’t understand why people want to bitch about his play this game, sure the team has a lot of problems, but he came out fired up for the second half and won us the game….Tebow (as we all saw) wins games much uglier than this and Denver loves him for it…do we really need to beat up on our QB for a game he helped us win by comming through in the clutch for us? People have been calling for his head all week and after an ugly first half he stepped it up the second half, came out balling, and picked us up the W. You might say he doesn’t deserve to be in the good section of this article, but he certainly doesn’t deserve to be in the bad for the win on Sunday. That’s all I’m saying…
by RhodesRocks on Nov 28, 2011 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tebow Vs Sanchez really isn't the issue here.
I do agree Sanchez is clutch, but the problem is, he’s not getting better then the year before. He wouldn’t need to be clutch in almost all of these games if he executed prior to the end of the 4th quarter.
We all know a big part of the problem is the playcalling, but without further evidence to the contrary, people are bound to assume its just Sanchez paying poorly for most of the 24 minutes the offense had the ball. The point being it’s not (Haters gonna hater), it’s people judging a player based on the very little body of work they have.
For this game in particular, he had no reason not to be executing all 4 quarters. He wasn’t facing any pressure off the Bills “pass rush” and while he was getting drops, he wasn’t throwing great balls either (From what I read through the general consensus).
I've been a Jets fan for 45 years, so you could say I have earned the right to be pessimistic...
…but I’m not. Masochistic might be closer to the truth (LOL!!!). The high point of my day was getting an autograph from Emerson Boozer, who was at the stadium and one of my favorite Jets of all time. He played hard, he played hurt, and always with class and dignity in a career that was all too short and less than it might have been. And that’s what I see happening here, a team that is becoming less than it could be, not because of injuries or even lack of effort on many of the players parts, but because the hype and self conceit has gotten so big that the reality is not in anyone’s vision, at least not anyone who is talking about it publicly.
by Traveling Man on Nov 27, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Emerson Boozer as well
Unfortunately, I started watching the Jets in ‘71 (I was 6 years old) so I don’t even have the SB memory. The rest of your post was spot on.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
one more point
These were balls that COULD have been caught, not SHOULD have been, but receivers picking up a quarterback can make a difference.
there were a couple of these. some of them were 20 yard plays. you add in 3 catches that should have been caught for say a combined 50 yards, sanchez has a good day. he just seems to go out of sync at some points, and although this is partialy his fault, blame has to go on the oc for not getting the team in sync. not to mention the playcalling. what was stopping us from giving greene the ball 20+ carries? he was amazing. of course, everytime he ran the ball it looked like he might not get up. i hope people are starting to realize that a future backfield of greene and mcknight can work
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Greene seemed to reaggrevate his rib injury early in the 3rd.
and played less (and with less violence) after that.
well
he looked hurt after every play. he played great whenever he was in
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I was suprised they didn't run him more often
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
me too
i asume he was hurt, because he looked like he was going to die after some plays. i kept on thinking he wasn’t going to get up. yet he still got up and rushed for another 10 yards.
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mcknight also look good I hope he takes over as third down back
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
prob will
but he still has to work on his blocking. lt is a very good blocker. hopefully with time mcknight can become a decent blocker
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Worst 4 TD performance in history.
Brutal game with one team banged up beyond belief and another that is just poorly coached.
On top of it our water walker, Revis, was almost a huge goat. His worst game in 3 years Scary win. Missing real athleticism in a number of positions on both sides of the ball.
by Doug Jolly on Nov 27, 2011 10:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
sanchez wasn't sharp today, but neither were our recievers.
That last drive to win it could be a huge confidence booster for mark. I think mark overthinks things too much. When it’s time to execute and just play, that’s where mark excels. Lets see how he responds vs a very weak redskin team
by jets4life24 on Nov 27, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you think their defense is weak you haven't seen them play much this year.
London Fletcher is amazing and doing things a man his age shouldn’t even be thinking about.
by Traveling Man on Nov 27, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Travelingman
I think what alot of those posting in Here fail too see,is just because a team there going to play down the road isnt in the play-off;s hunt,these teams will be a walk-over…WASH and Miami I “SEE” as Trap-games!!!!..I also want too see How well the OL is in keeping those Giants pass-rushers at Bay..If jets play as they have done in past 3 games,there SUNK!!!!!
Ya NE beat Philly today..BUT when we play Philly VICK will be back..Big difference between Young and VICK!!!!!..I dont see next games coming up as a cake-walk….Denver still winning as well as Oakland..along with Bengals and Steelers…BUt maybe with there latest Injury_palom has a concussion) Bengals beat Steelers!!!!…right now Bengals@7-4…even if they lose 1 game and we win out,Bengals get wild-card!!!!!
the LOST against Ne is what Killed us..then to Denver basically put us in this Hole…BUT Sanchez lack of reading a def-coverage is what is hurting us…everyone quick to Blame the OC….look he calls in the plays BUT Sanchez and the others on field have to exucute them and THEY are not doing that!!!!…
I mean Sanchez game against Denver post game Interview STATES that "he saw that His rec was well covered YET still throw the ball in HIS Direction..WHY?…he has a bad error of LOCKING onto 1 rec and forgets HIS other rec;s…
it isnt the OC fault when he under-throws a rec!!!! or over-throws a rec..that is ALL HIS fault 100%..and we have a COACh who keeps placing Him HIGH on a Pedestal when maybe he needs to bring Him down a peg or 2….
REX said it best after game against NE when asked how did NE score in under 90sec;s..Rex said that is what HAPPENS when Other Team has a ELITE QB!!!!!!
Rex too me has this stupid mind-set that He has too beat NE everytime they play!!!! and Both times they lost this YR to NE,jet;s DEF back all said that in BOTH games THEY had wrong people on field!!!!!.that all falls upon REX for DEF is his Baby!!!..
Agree.
That’s one of the areas he has regressed in this year – he looked to be improving his reads last year. Part of the reason could be due to the o-line problems and all the sacks he has taken, in that he feels he doesn’t have the time to do the reads. But you are correct – he locked on receivers all day yesterday and everyone could see it. And it is the same game after game and Rex needs to start being honest about it.
I also agree about the fact that when he audibles these issues become worse. But I’m not willing to give BS a pass here either. All an audible is is an alternate play with the same personnel package. Not only do teams know the plays we run from the sets, but they know the audibles as well and can and do adjust their defensive calls as Sanchez is switching the play.
by Traveling Man on Nov 28, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Rest up Kerley, LT and DeVito this week so we can be at full strength against KC, PHI & NYG
Jim Leonhard, Wiscaansin
Give Turner, McKnight/Powell, and Pitoitua some more playing time
Jim Leonhard, Wiscaansin
Not Powell
I think we should just hand Conner the ball when Greene is tired and we need a Bruiser
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by JetsFanMurphy on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
It's disturbing how close thisgame was to a loss several times
Then again that’s the way it falls and games like Denver and Oakland could just as easily have been victories as this game a loss. I think this seasons down points are a good example of how those cardiac-stressing games can break your team if you don’t pull it out in the 4th the way the Jets have under Rex and Sanchez.
Aaron Maybin is worth every penny of his relatively cheap salary, for this game if nothing else. Great economy/project buy on our FO’s part.
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+100 on Maybin
Whenever he was on the field he brought it. He made a couple of mistakes and one bad penalty, but the sacks, tackles and disruption more than made up for it. I’d love to see him after a full off season to learn both new techniques and the overall system. I would love them to bring in someone like Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas to work with him on his techniques.
I saw a few spin moves on him. A couple of them worked, and if Fitz had held on to the ball a split second longer, he would have had another sack or two. Needs some bulk and he’ll be ready to go.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Nov 27, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Correct - he his. My bad.
I was searching for names of pass rushing linebackers that would be able to give Maybin some tips and pointers and those two came to mind immediately as I was writing the post. And Taylor is not the ideal citizen to be around anyone and might even be in jail by next year given his track history, But the point was they should try to brig someone in that can work with this kid and Westerman on how to improve themselves in rushing the passer.
by Traveling Man on Nov 28, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Taylor got caught up in the underage prostitute and coke scene,
that so many players…oh wait, he’s the only member of that scene. I’m sure there are more members of that scene but he’s the only name I could pull out.
Sanchez
Jeez, we win, and our QB throws four TDs and was 7 for 9 on the game winning drive and you would think we lost and he threw four picks by the sound of some of the comments.
I thought Sanchez was clutch today, as happens too often he started out slow but got it together when he needed to.
I agree on Maybin, I wasn’t against the signing because I figured it was low risk/high reward signing but he has certainly exceeded my expectations as well. How the hell did Buffalo not get him any sacks? He had two years and played a lot more. Rex certainly knows how to get the most out of players but this is ridiculous, from sackless to leading our team in sacks (I think, maybe second behind Pace?)
Again, Mark is not an elite QB
And probably never will be in the likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, et al (a few more guys maybe). However, when I watch other QB play around the league – the likes of Flacco, Freeman, Stafford, Bradford, Ryan, Vick, etc….they all are incredibly streaky and “week to week” good / bad. I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take any of them over Mark, but I certainly put Mark in that category.
It seems as if the QB play in ESPN’s “Year of the Quarterback” has gone down, with the exception of Rodgers, who seems to be playing on a different planet.
Our QB will only be as good as the system he is in. And for anyone who watched that game yesterday, and saw some of the playcalling that seemed to abandon the 8.5 ypc (at the time) run game in a tie game, you can see where the majority of the problems lie.
Having said that, we do need Mark to play at a higher level for us to do anything this year and squeak into the playoffs.
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Agreed
Sanchez has flaws. He also has heart and a winning attitude.
Most QBs have flaws. Hell, Brett Farve had a decent career despite throwing some boneheaded picks from time to time.
Until someone can convince me that Sanchez is incapable of learning to make better throws to his 2nd and 3rd options, I’m not tossing in the towel.
by square1 on Nov 28, 2011 10:21 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And I felt the same way about Eli in his Super Bowl year
as I do about Mark this year (with a few exceptions…..and I’m not saying that the Jets are going all the way). Eli showed in his first few seasons a very inconsistent level of play where I was saying to my Giant fan friends, “I am not sure he’s ever going to ‘get it’”. But then he just put together this string of incredible play throughout the post season and Super Bowl.
I’ve seen Mark play that way for a stretch. And I’m NOT saying he’s at Eli’s level yet. But if we had better playcalling….I don’t think it would be crazy to see Mark take a big step forward.
But for anyone who says that Mark “IS DONE”, or “WILL NEVER HAVE IT”, while I don’t think you are crazy, I would ask for you to give us an alternative. College kid? Ok, fine….we will be competitive in 2-3 more years. Trade for Matt Ryan? I’ll smoke what you are smoking. Chad Henne? I love him as a backup….but, no.
We are stuck with Mark for at least 2-3 more years. Hopefully we wont be stuck with Shittenhiney too…
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 28, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't watch the game or read any summaries, but here's my breakdown.
We didn’t correct anything. In place of a correction, Schotty decided to have Sanchez throw the long ball all day to prove how he is handcuffed in his playcalling. And this was instead of actually going with what worked during the game and all season really, running the football.
Sanchez played mediocre for the 20 mins the offense had the ball despite not being rushed at all by the Bills. The running game looked dominent the sparce amount of time it was used, then it wasn’t used at all.
On the defensive front, Revis had a bad day. More importantly, our defense was on the field for the majority of the time again (Thanks offense and special teams).
On a STs front, Cro shouldn’t be an option at all back there until he actually practices taking returns and Westoff is satisfied with him and not just throwing him in there.
You didn't watch, but got all this?
Sanchez wasn’t really throwing deep, he was throwing the same slants he always throws, Bills were just jumping the routes.
Oh, thought I read somewhere he was taking shots down field.
So no adjustments at all then…not surprising. But, unfortunately, I couldn’t even get the game on the radio once I hit the Baltimore heading South to NC. I was watching the gametrack/boxscore and GGN thread on my phone to get the gist of things.
It’s still a mystery why we weren’t running the ball more as Greene and McKnight were clicking on all cyclinders (I say it’s a mystery but I sadly know the reason…).
But yeah the GGN gamethread is a powerful thing. While it’s tough to type in a moving vehicle (While not driving of course) refreshing and reading angry comments about Schotty and Sanchez sucking pretty much gets the point across.
Revis looked disinterested
all game. Worst I’ve ever seen him play. Still was better than Cro though, who had as abysmal a 2 minute stretch as you can ever have.
This was another game where the run was working well, but they got away from it. There was a key drive where they came out and threw 3 times in a row and went 3 and out. McKnight and Greene need more touches, especially against a smaller team like the Bills. Sanchez could’ve easily had about 3 or 4 picks today, very lucky.
The Jets team as a whole needs less Schotty ball.
This nonsensical BS has to stop. I can’t recall how many times I was watching the gametrack and saw 1st and 10 then 2nd and 10 (Sanchez incompletion 0 yards). It reminded me why I’m not watching the games anymore in the first place. It was alot less frustrating not watching it on TV.
I was watching
the game and I did not see Schotty throw any of those passes. It may not be some much the plays, but the execution of the plays.
Hah, I'm gonna probably do this a bit now that I'm not watching the games on TV.
To your point, it’s never either/or, it’s always a little of both. If Sanchez can’t throw certain passes consistantly, don’t call them consistantly, simple as that. If Sanchez and the receivers suck, why are we passing 35 plays and running 23 plays, especially when we are running for over 6.0 Y/A early in the game and finishing with that amount. That’s all I want to know.
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