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The Jets are 5-5, and their season perhaps reached a negative tipping point tonight when they lost 17-13 in the final minute to the Broncos. The defense dominated until it really needed to. The offense could not finish a drive, and special teams were uneven. Comparing these two teams on paper, one could only conclude that the game should not have been close. Watching Tim Tebow for any extended portion of this game, one can only conclude that this game should not have been close. It was just that, however. Join me after the jump when we break down this catastrophe.

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The Bad:

Eric Smith: We can start with the guy who lost contain on the winning touchdown run by Tebow. Smith is allegedly a smart player. He knew it was an all out blitz with nobody back. He knew he was the outside guy, and that no matter what he did he could not let Tebow get the corner on him. That happened, though. Add in poor coverage that Denver did not fully exploit, and you have a bad game. I was expecting him to shine against a run heavy team. If he cannot perform in this game, can he play well against anybody? The coaching staff loves him, but he is just not that good.

Jim Leonhard: He made some good plays covering for people early and all the right decisions on punt returns, but he had the game in his hands on the first play of that last drive when he missed a tackle for a safety on Eddie Royal. It is not an easy play, but Leonhard usually makes it.

Calvin Pace: Got lost on a few option plays.

David Harris: He made some plays, but if you watch the game over, you will notice that he got beaten on the few plays Denver put together early.

Antonio Cromartie: He got beaten more than he should have in coverage. A better quarterback would have made him pay. He also went nowhere on that last kickoff return, although I am not sure why the Jets put him out there instead of Joe McKnight.

Mark Sanchez: The numbers look ok, but there were little things that kept Sanchez from having a truly good game. There was the throw that would have been a touchdown to Santonio Holmes had he hit him in stride. The same goes for the one to Bilal Powell later that drive. He could have picked up fifteen more yards on a bootleg throw to Dustin Keller had he gotten it out earlier and given Keller a chance to run before defenders diagnosed the play. He could have hung in the pocket and delivered a pass to Holmes to extend the drive if he was just willing to take a hit. The interception was mainly on him also. He stared down a covered receiver. That ball can never be thrown. Sanchez got hit a lot, and it showed. It is clear he is a guy who struggles when he has too much time to think. He is jittery in the pocket. He is better when he does not have time to think and is asked to do something like run the hurry up, run a play action fake, or roll out.

Use of Joe McKnight: Until the fourth quarter, it seemed like the Jets were intent on running him between the tackles. They should have made more of an effort to get him to the edge with balls in space. His attributes are speed and agility. It felt like the Jets used him the way they planned to use Shonn Greene.

Bilal Powell: Let us not give up on him after eight touches, but he did not show much of an ability to read his blocks, hit his holes, or make people miss. The fumble on the goal line was almost a catastrophe.

Offensive Line: Four sacks and countless hits on Sanchez, including one on a throw with a one step drop. These guys also got no push in the run game. The issue with the ground attack was not Shonn Greene's injury. Joe McKnight did what he could. There were just no holes with McKnight in there.

Wayne Hunter: I single him out because he in particular really struggled. The sack on the last drive where he got run over was cringe worthy, but he had issues all night. He blew an assignment blocking down that led to Matthew Mulligan working one on one with Elvis Dumervil. Hunter is a journeyman. He plays great sometimes and awful others. He is a great backup, but an upgrade is necessary when he is starting.

Plaxico Burress: He was big on the opening drive of the second half, but he made some really bad plays otherwise from the penalty to not getting his feet in. He also was partially to blame for the interception. He needs to help his quarterback out and come to the ball.

Rex Ryan's Timeouts: You take one to prevent a 21 yard field goal into a 26 yard one, but you do not take one to save time at the end of the half before Denver punts? The Jets surely could have used that extra timeout in their two minute drill along with the extra time.

Dustin Keller: He had 5 catches for 40 yards, but he is making mental errors as a blocker and running sloppy routes as a receiver.

Brian Schottenheimer: Not getting McKnight outside more, the direct snap, which was running a trick play with a sub, the lack of development from his hand chosen pupil, fill in the rest of the blanks. The 2011 New York Jets: Offense loaded at the skill positions, but our left guard scores the only touchdown of a game.

The Good:

Defensive Line: Sione Pouha, Mike Devito, Muhammad Wilkerson, Ropati Pitoitua, and Kenrick Ellis really dominated the point of attack when they were in there and shut down the run game until Tebow went nuts on the last drive. Even with that final drive, Denver averaged under four yards per rush. Devito in particular was getting great penetration and redirecting carriers into tacklers all evening.

Darrelle Revis: He did not have the most difficult assignment, but he made quick work of the men he covered.

Kyle Wilson: Ditto.

Donald Strickland: Saved a touchdown with a shoestring tackle on the big kick return.

Patrick Turner: I think he blew the tackle that led to the big return, but he had some big catches and finished with 3 for 36 yards.

Santonio Holmes: Only 4 catches for 39 yards, but he gave Denver's secondary fits. Some better quarterbacking and he has a huge game.

Matt Slauson: Finding the ball and scoring that touchdown was head's up.

Joe McKnight: The fumble ended up not hurting the team. He only ran for 3.7 yards, but he made the most of what he had. There were a few plays that probably should have gone for a loss based on the blocking but he turned into positive gains. He made things happen when he got the ball in space. He ended up with 122 yards from scrimmage. Maybe the Jets will actually try more of this playing the most explosive player on the team on offense thing. He should have gone out of bounds on a play in the last minute, but it was probably a lost cause then anyway.

Nick Folk: Missed a pair of tough kicks, although he almost snuck the 61 yarder through. He hit the other two.

T.J. Conley: The first punt cost the Jets a field goal, but he hit some big kicks after that, including one from the shadow of his own goal post and another to pin the Broncos deep before the final drive.

Other Thought:

  • I didn't mind the fake spike. Champ Bailey made a great play. It was about a foot from everybody praising Sanchez's smarts.

 

I told you the other night that my gut told me the Jets were done. It is tough to argue with that now. If you are saying this team will turn it around, you just have blind hope. If you read this site, you know that I am not one to jump off a cliff at the first sign of trouble. I am also not one to pour Kool-Aid when things are bleak, though. I dare anybody objectively watching this game to tell me Tim Tebow is one of the worst quarterbacks to play in the NFL this century and is not on the magic carpet ride of the lifetime. Well, tonight the Jets could not even figure out how to beat that guy.

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Give Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton or any of the other Superbowl winning head coaches 5 minutes on Defense

And they’ll get Tebow on the ground 30 times with 20 interceptions and -100 yards of offense.

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by MachlinT on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

That's pretty much what we did until guys blew some plays on the last drive.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not, Mac

The kid plays the QB position on the ugliest way I’ve ever seen. But he is a weird guy, he just steps up on the 4th quarters, and if the game is close enough he just finds a way a to win. He reacts very well under pressure, we just don’t know how does he do it!?

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Against a truly elite defense, Tebow wont do a thing

I also think teams with good defenses will eventually catch up to Tebow and his offense. Sanchez did just as much for the Broncos as Tebow did. You want him for Orton?

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, don't blame your D my friend

I do think you guys have an elite defense! For me the best secondary, and at least a top-3 overall…

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

An Elite defense doesnt get beat by Tim Tebow and his 1940s offense

This defense is the LeBron James of defense. It just cant ever finish. I watched them allow Colt McCoy to drive down the field last year. Elite defenses dont make excuses, they make game winning stops.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hate the "WHAT IFs" game...

But what if you had called a better play on the TD one, instead of a full house blitz up the middle giving the entire sideline to a scrambler QB?? We probably had kicked a FG and who knows what would happen in OT…

Tebow is a very polarizing guy, he can cause trouble to a lot of Ds if their Os don’t put a lot of points on the board.

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not just the defensive gameplan though

Its the awful tackling, or lack thereof. I hate to say it, but I knew Tebow was going to lead the Broncos down the field at the end. Rex has these guys buying the hype. And thats all they are, is a bunch of hype.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Orton...

i do like him, hes thrown for 4000+ before, he would definetly push Sanchez in Training Camp and might even win the starting job..Sanchez needs someone to push him, he knows his job is safe considering we have a 50 year old backup

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Jets are thinking about adding Kerry Collins next season with Brunell retiring

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

click......click.....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Be careful with this idea

Orton can upgrade your QB position, no doubt about it. But he lacks in energy… he is too apathetic to reach a Super Bowl trophy. Don’t get me wrong, I do think he could start for at least half of the current teams in the league… but you guys have a much better team than it, and you need a real elite QB, not Kyle Orton.

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 18, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Jets dont need an elite QB

They need a game manager, that understands that you can throw the ball away sometimes. They need a guy that makes Chad Pennington like decisions but has a bit of an arm to stretch the field at times. Sadly, those are hard to find.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually

That’s a great description of Kyle Orton

....because sometimes your inner cowboy needs to yodel.

by bradley on Nov 18, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i like this idea

Sanchez has really showed that he is not a franchise qb or a good qb..he is decent at best..too many mistakes…why not kick the old “mentor” to the curb(brunell) and have another starting qb like maybe a orton breathing down his back…maybe this will light a fire under him because ever since that ravens game..the pats game..and now this game im starting to believe somethings wrong with his confidence…that’ flinch’@buffalo and him ducking like a biach when hes pressured is really hurting my feelings:(>>>mexicans are usually tough fighters

by NYJetsinceBruceCoslett on Nov 18, 2011 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Rex'd

Exactly

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by blueandorange4life on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Tired Of Talk

Rex needs to STFU, until the Jets win. I’d like to see him not at a press conference or hold one until there’s something positive to say. At the rate we’re going, that’s next year.

by RonaldR on Nov 18, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i saw 2 by Miller

at least 3 steps AFTER Sanchez threw the ball, and they were 3rd down plays, instead of punting we shouldve gotten an extra 15 and auto 1st

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and im sure NFL will fine Miller just like they did Ngata…but that is moot because the Jets didnt get the penalty yards from it

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I know the one where Sanchez apparantly hurt his shoulder was iffy, and I felt it could have gone either way.

But the rest were bang-bang plays. And hit hits are clean. Stomach, chest, upper back. No cheap shots, no helmet to helmet. Refs are less willing to call plays if you make the hit clean, and by the rules. Miller is getting excellent at timing his hits as to avoid penalties

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by Teboner on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Helmet to back is not legal on a QB.

Personally, I don’t like the rule but if it’s there it should be called. 4 times in 2 games this hasn’t been called when happening to Sanzhez (Baltimore was the other game).

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

So blindside sacks are illegal?

Regarding after the pass is thrown. There is a difference between the helmet inconsequentially touching the QB on the body first, and actually spearing a QB. We are talking about clean tackles. Go back and watch it. They are clean. Hard.. but clean.

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by Teboner on Nov 18, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Leading with the crown of the helmet on a QB is illegal.

“A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.
Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily. "

Well it’s only in two sections of the rules, so I could see how it’s questionable.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh totally, Im not disagreeing with you on the rule.

Im just saying Von’s hits weren’t leading with the helmet. More like a high-velocity bear hug…if you will lol

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by Teboner on Nov 18, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I was watching a fairly fuzzy viewing of it,

but sure looked like he spear him pretty good on both of those plays. Hopefully, I can find the replay of the game because it was on PIX 11 but I don’t know it I could watch it again sober. Maybe make a drinking game out of the commentators orally pleasuring Tebow from the booth.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha, have fun with that

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by Teboner on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

My god how bad can Ducasse be??

Seems like Hunter gives up at least 1 sack a game then looks lost and gives his usual stupid ass comment about the O line

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

This is where I question the genius of Bill Callahan

I mean he was great when he got established all pros, but he hasnt done a very good job developing their replacements.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Half agree

I think his work this year has been questionable.

But Ferguson was considered a bust by many when Callahan arrived here, and pretty much every Jets fan I know wanted Brandon Moore replaced.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I didnt think Ferguson was a bust at all, Moore has been great.

But it speaks volumes when one player(Mangold) goes down, the entire line goes in the toilet. I dont think this guy is that great. Its funny but when he was in Oakland, I saw a lot of the same concerning penalties.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

But neither Ferguson nor Moore was half the player in 2007 they are today. Both were considered below average at their respective positions. They improved tremendously when Callahan arrived.

And I’m not sure any coach could prevent a dropoff losing Mangold and getting Colin Baxter.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And I think it's worth asking whether Callahan is doing a good job this year

because there are plenty of indications he isn’t.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Wayne Hunter says hi

Are you kidding, the biggest problem on this team isnt Schotty or Sanchez, its the lines regression. The running game isnt as good and Sanchez doesnt have as much time due this line. On top of that, they seem to get a ton of penalties. Vlad was a high pick, yet Callahan hasnt gotten crap out of him. Slauson says Hunter is an upgrade over Woody. If he is, whats going on?

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

An upgrade over an injured Woody maybe

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

Sanchez needs to show up to press conferences and games with a paper bag over his head. That was terrible for me to watch.

by umohan21 on Nov 18, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not giving up

We all know the team has flaws, but it was a team that won games last year. I think it can be that team again, and we have the rest of the season to try and prove it. The Jets play better when no one believes, so now we got that.

We can see the problems (I think BS and Hunter are the biggest), so they can be addressed. Hell, if this is the Jets at it’s worst then we are fine. This was a trap game that we lost and now we just win out and see what happens.

by Saverio on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

You guys have a great team, saverio

Just wondering here.. If the Colts select Luck and trade Manning, would you guys like to sign him? I mean, you have a complete great team on both sides of the ball, but a Super-Bowl caliber QB. With Manning you could win it until his retirement. Had everyone think about it before?

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 18, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

NOT UNLESS SHOTTY IS GONE

i truly believe he would ruin Manning

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by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He can't.

Manning is the one QB Schotty can’t ruin since Manning would just audible on every play.

by cult hero on Nov 18, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not a "give up on Sanchez" guy

but they 100% have to try and make the move.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I take Manning for the Year

If he wins the starting Job (I think he would), but not for more than a year. I believe that Denver and Carolina has shown a QB with a game plan to fit his strength can preform well. Sanchez doesn’t really have that, but Manning could teach him so much about being a QB and that is invaluable. Sanchez is a Franchise QB in my mind and Manning would speed his development up tremendously.

by Saverio on Nov 18, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we can wait for him to retire and sign him too

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Frankly...

I think having Manning would help Sanchez in a lot of ways. I also think Manning would get Schotty fired if he isn’t already. I can’t imagine he’s not going to say, “Look… this is retarded.”

by cult hero on Nov 18, 2011 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. Manning would be the ultimate mentor.

And do not give up on Sanchez. He will be good. He needs the experience. It took years for Manning, Roethlisberger, Rodgers (behind Favre) and Brady to get as good as they are now. Give Sanchez some time to develope.

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by Teboner on Nov 18, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt Manning would help Sanchez at all

Just look at Curtis Painter. There isn’t a less prepared QB starting right now, and that includes Tebow.

by Exystence on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great example, while he has been rehabbing,

you think he would have taught him something prior to that as he is aging.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be great since we all know schotty isnt doing anything to help sanchez’s development. It’s like its sanchez’s third rookie season

by ncquake24 on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the props Fabio,

but it’s like calling a Denny’s waitress pretty at this point. Our offense is more like a Denny’s dumpster then a Denny’s waitress actually.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I CANT STAND SHOTTY!!!

the guy has no faith in his Offense, thats why he calls short routes all game and handoffs on 3rd and 18

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

Would you have faith in a QB like Sanchez?

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

Shotty has to give something a try, if things keep going the way they are then at the end of the season hes fired…now if he lets Sanchez air it out or at least test the D deep more than once a game then he could pass those mistakes off on Sanchez to save his own ass.

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Schotty will land on his feet as other teams know he is handcuffed with an average at best QB

Schotty did try and make this a passing offense early on and it didnt work. All it amounts to is 3 and outs and a worn out defense. The Jets are most successful with the ground and pound which controls the clock and allows Sanchez to utilize the play action pass which is his biggest strength.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

no Schotty did not try

there were a good few passing games yes, but nothing that consistently works towards Sanchez’s strengths.

You keep on saying Schotty is handcuffed by Sanchez but everyone and their mom knows it’s the other way around.

Oh and we had to do ground and pound because the O-line was non-existent. Not because of Sanchez. So stop the hate. It’s amazing how you pin all these ridiculous play calls and game plans on Sanchez.

by PowerBar on Nov 18, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

what are sanchez's strengths?

and don’t say photo spreads. they don’t really help on the football field

by dar9898 on Nov 18, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe you forgot

but he’s had success running the 2-minute and he’s had success building off the playaction.

His success in the 2-minute shows he can throw it down the field. Schotty keeps all his passes precision passes within 10 yards and empties the backfield eliminating the chance of playaction or run, making it easy for the defense to predict.

by PowerBar on Nov 18, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Other teams make due...

With average QBs. Just look at Dallas. (See what I did there?)

What about San Francisco?

Our whole system is flawed.

by cult hero on Nov 18, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

these guys aren’t even looking at the big picture

by PowerBar on Nov 18, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Coaches have their heads up their ass.

Bravado only goes so far, we won games last year we should have lost… Now our luck has run out, we play sloppy and gimmicky… I HATE THE CHANGES TO THE RETURN MEN, ITS EMPHASIZING THAT WE DON’T HAVE FAITH IN OUR OFFENSE.

by Vegas Jets Fan on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The entire coaching staff needs to be held accountable

Some of Schottys playcalling is nuts. Rex’s has grown as much as QB in his 3 years, which is not much. I mean he is still out there with his hype job, yet cant improve his time management skills. Team is also the most undisciplined Jets team Ive seen since the Kotite days.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't luck

We beat teams last year that we had no ‘right’ to because we were the better team. The last two years were no flukes and this year won’t end with a losing record. If we make it to the playoffs we will still be dangerous and alive. If we don’t we finish 9-7 or 10-6 and get a new OC to make our offense work.

by Saverio on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

09 was a fluke

Jets backed into the playoffs on luck from Indy. Once there, they beat a soft Bengals team, and a soft Chargers team. The Jets were solid last year but this team lacks the heart and leadership of previous years. On top of that, our RBs are hurt and I dont see “Butterfingers” McKnight and “Cant find a hole without hair” Powell getting it done.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

McElroy's thumb has to be healed by now...

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

He's gone for the year

Once you are on IR you are done for the year.

by Traveling Man on Nov 18, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

that was a joke he knows hes done for the year

by ncquake24 on Nov 18, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how good this team could be with just an average offense

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

Not even average, just not detrimental to the team.

And look at the players on O, just wow is all, in the fact that we are so bad.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

How happy are JCo and Derrick Mason?

Mason was the only guy to speak up and got shipped to a playoff team. It wont be long until the others like Santonio start to speak out.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Is the one extra game really that much better?

Is there any way they aren’t one and done with Leinart?

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Leinart cant be much worse than what Im seeing from Sanchez this year.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How Happy is Braylon???

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Braylon still plays?

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I would hope so.

And not because I want loud mouth players on the team. But because they have to know how detrimental Schotty is at this point and not bringing it up to the coaching staff is only going to be accepting failure. Just keep your mouth shut to the press.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Somebody needs to speak up and get some changes made because this way isnt working

Think about it, the Jets have not been very good this year. They got a gift from Romo, the rest of the wins were against bad teams. This team has no leaders to shake these guys up. The “well get em next time” stuff is getting old real quick.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we’ll draft a leader next year lol

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow has those guys buying in

You think the guys in that Jets lockerroom feel that way about Sanchez? I dont. I want someone like Donnie Henderson screaming at the damn defense on that last drive,lol.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow > Sanchez then?

I know what you’re saying, for any Sanchez supporters, it would be hard to debate the fact that he has no good influence on this offense.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, everyone is talking about how Buffalo was so good,

but hadn’t beat good teams. I had this nagging feeling that we were the same, and 2 times in 5 days we’ve been exposed as frauds.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

In all fairness, the NFL did the Jets a huge disservice with two national games in 5 days

Even worse they had to fly across the country. I dont make excuses for the Jets but that just doesnt make sense.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Kinda figured it out after the Raiders/Ravens games this offense cant compete with any team consistently

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Ravens just own the Jets

They like making Rex their bitch.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Conley on the good?

No way, he did not redeem himself for that 17 yarder that gave them 3 points early.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

agreed

i wanted to choke slam a bitch after that punt

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by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Never ask that question.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hah, it's hard to imagine this offense putting on worse performances.

The sacks, pick 6s, 3 and outs, and red zone failures. It’s like a perfect storm of skunks and rotting cabbage.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Shhhhhhh

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait til Kansas City?

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

i can see it now, Tyler Palko looks like a Pro Bowler against Jets vaunted Defense

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

And they should just sit Sanchez for the Eagles game

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

sit Shotty

call Tom Moore to the sideline and lets roll

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by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see that happen

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by MDGeekyGrl on Nov 18, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore would resign before the game after watching Sanchez in practice

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This!

I think it starts right here more than anywhere else. We won with these terrible plays when we had a great O-line, so I think if the line lets Mark get comfy we can run the gambit. However, I see little hope for Hunter. I’d be one thing if he just let defenders get right on through, but he also pulls down a drive once a game at least.

How bad are you when it is an improvement to have you just suck at your job?

by Saverio on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

John Fox: “10 points on an elite defense? S*&% my D*&%!”

by DesertJetFan on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

lol +1

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Nov 18, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Thinking that the Jets can stay in the mix is not blind hope.It is perfectly logical hope. It is a look at the other teams competing for that sixth seed. Cincy is going to lose a lot of games down the stretch, especially now that they’ve lost Leon Hall. The AFC West will beat up on each other and there’s just as good a chance that we end up tied with San Diego for that final spot as there is of ending up tied with a team that holds the edge over us. This team has lost some heartbreakers. They are closer to done than they were five hours ago, but not done yet.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

But we couldn't beat Tim Tebow

We’ll never play another QB that bad all year.

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by John B on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if this is sarcasm but to not stop that throwback offense was a joke

Bart Scott and the defense should go into hiding.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, they should get look alikes to fill in for them.

Jamarcus could fill in for Pouha, I’ll leave the rest to everyone else.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

We will play worse offenses. Denver has more skill right now than KC. And we still match up exceptionally well against the Bills. Obviously it’s hard to be positive right now. But let’s be real here. Is there any team left on our schedule that, taken out of context of the way our season has been going, you would say we don’t have a chance against?

It’s the old ‘any given sunday’ deal. You never know when a team that is beaten down to its breaking point just starts showing up. You know we have the talent to. And the way the rest of the AFC is right now, every single team has a weakness that can be exploited. It’s obviously gonna be a tough road for us and we will need a couple of other teams to take care of business, but I just see no reason to think we’re done.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

We can talk about our D but its the O that holding the team back. Struggling Ds always look like world beater when they face this O and its the samething every week

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

We are an average team at best

And I really mean AT BEST. This is not a playoff caliber team from the players to the coaching. Not even close. Not even in the ball park. Not even in the same zip code.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 18, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopes Norv Turner gets fired after this season and maybe if we put something in his drink he’ll sign with us

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry pal but Norv is not coming to New York

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by MDGeekyGrl on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It wouldnt matter

No matter what gets called, the players need to execute.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I just want a real OC the can make adjustments if we’re sitting at home and knows what the call is im pretty sure the defense on the opposite side of the ball knows too

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He would be a fool to move from sunny San Diego to New Jersey

He’s a millionaire, it’s not like he’ll need the money

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by MDGeekyGrl on Nov 18, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

This, plus

I doubt that Norv is gone until A.J. Smith is gone. Although maybe I’m wrong about that, idk. We’ll see. But seriously… That team is stuck in stasis until Smith is gone. As bad of a gameday coach Norv is, it’s hard to imagine a GM that is more “dangerous” than he is. By that I mean that he seems to be really good at identifying talent in football players which gives you a lot of hope, but then basically fails at everything else a GM does which results in Norv Turner as still your head coach and alienating those good players by being an arrogant douche and ultimately having the team underperform year in and year out.

by Exystence on Nov 18, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No energy

You can tell from the guys body language on the field that they don’t believe in the plays Schotty is calling. They barely clap when coming out of the huddle, Sanchez looks bored, Keller looks uninterested and Santonio looks pissed.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Nov 18, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Santonio has a reason to look piss wont be surprised when he explodes and why would Keller look interested when he knows the ball isnt coming his way. Sanchez’s face is just probably just stuck from getting clapped every other play

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez looks bored?LOL

You can try and put it on Schotty but those pick 6s are all on Mark. Schotty tried the Sanchez throwing it around thing and all it results in is 3 and out. Schotty is a problem too, but I think he is handcufffed with a QB that looks more confused than confidant.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously...stop the hate

the reason we stopped throwing the ball and returned to ground and pound is because the line never gave Mark a chance.

Sanchez was confident his first year…and I don’t blame him looking confused when he gets knocked around like that every week.

by PowerBar on Nov 18, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We never "threw it around" dude

The same going five-wide, three-step drop, five-yard throw shit we do now except way too often in the first few games doesn’t count as throwing it around. That’s just Martyball 2.0, conservative offense using short passes instead of runs.

As far as Sanchez looking more confused than confident, it’s probably because he has nowhere to throw the damn thing ever because defenses have the offense figured out to such a degree they might as well be running the plays themselves.

by Exystence on Nov 18, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well anyway, I’m gonna go play some Madden and kick the crap out of the Pats. That always makes me feel better…

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

Ha!

My thoughts exactly! And for the record, I agree that everyone needs to calm down. We didn’t do ourselves any favors tonight, but our schedule is soft and the Jets always seem to play better when nobody believes in them (see 2009/2010)

by Jabualj on Nov 18, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

That really was an awful blitz call

in that spot. Let Tebow try and complete a pass. Smith effed it up, and he is terrible, but the blitz call was idiotic.

by David G on Nov 18, 2011 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

+100000000

Empty backfield against a QB that cant throw and we send every1 and cant even keep containment

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It was brilliant, actually. That’s all on Smith. What the Jets did was essentially call a run-blitz. Perfect call when you’re getting shredded by a qb with legs. Take away his lanes, make him throw it up fast to a receiver who is covered by one of the strongest defensive backfields in football. That play was the perfect call, and it is entirely on the blown contain.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It was idiotic. Tebow rarely throws INTs. If the pass isn’t wide open, he’ll just tuck it and run. So the best we could realistically expect was a sack, which gives them a relatively easy 45ish FG attempt for the tie. Meanwhile, the worst we could expect was that Tebow would beat the one man he had to beat and take it in for a game winning TD. We give a guy who can run like hell one guy to beat to win the game, when all we had to do was contain for 20 yards in less than 1 minute and settle for OT in a game we had dominated. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

by Smackdad on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

^^^Yep

Blitz was appropriate 4-5 plays before that one.

by DesertJetFan on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Rex better call the D.

That blitz should have been called at denvers side of the field before the matched into our side. I suspect its the lame pettine calls. Chickens out often when game is at hand.

by overloadblitz on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like I say with Schotty, you cant blame Pettine for guys not tackling

I mean he draws up a play, its up to the players to get it done.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is, Schotty calls plays that a high school d-cooridnator can plan for.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure Sanchez can handle much more than a HS game plan

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny...

He handled Penn State’s D just fine and they’re hardly a high school.

by cult hero on Nov 18, 2011 4:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t blame him for guys not tackling, you blame him for taking the gigantic risk of giving Tebow one man to beat to win the game, when a more conservative Defense almost surely leads to OT, WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME RESULT we could expect if his mind numbingly stupid all out blitz is successful. I love being aggressive, I love the all out blitzes, but this was absolutely the wrong place and time for it. Giant risk, little reward = monumentally stupid call.

by Smackdad on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You play for the win on the road, not the tie

If not for missed tackles, we are celebrating a win.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The blitz doesn’t get us a win. It was third down, you aren’t going to push them out of field goal range, so even if it’s successful you still face 4th down with a very makeable FG atempt for the tie. At the 20 Yd line they were already too close to play for anything but a tie — the win was out of reach here. So taking a giant risk just so, if it works out, we would be playing for the tie we were already playing for in any event is just plain STUPID.

by Smackdad on Nov 18, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

the blitz keeps them from picking up the first and gives us the ball in a tied game with a minute for Sanchez to get into field goal range. And that’s if Prater makes it. It would have made the kick a 40+ yarder, which Prater was 2 of 7 on the year from coming in. What has happened up until that point is irrelevant. Shit happens. Good defenses bend but don’t break. Tonight, Eric Smith broke. End of story.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong. IF the blitz works, they face fourth down and the clock is running. The only way we get the ball back with any meaningful time left is if we burn a timeout. Then we have none left for the ensuing drive. In the meantime, we leave Smith being the only man for Tebow to beat. As they say, the guys on the other team are being paid too. Smith got beat — That was the only way they score a TD there. One on one Tebow vs. Smith, how many times does Smith get beat? Way too many to take the risk. We put Smith in a position to fail, and he failed. As you say, end of story.

by Smackdad on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Smith is usually very good at contain, and I would play that game any time. He may suck in coverage, but that is one area where he rarely fails.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this years playoffs a do or die affair?

This team is not playoff worthy. Not to discredit the Jets last two playoff appearances. The jets team have been average going into these playoffs but got hot and advanced to the AFC title games. Making everybody forget all their shortcomings, that have plaqued them. IMO those problems have multiplied also. The consequence of those sweet playoffs run is the late draft position we have had for two years which have left this team depleted and mediocre. Those unaddressed past shortcomings is finally catching up with the team, yet people forget and still expect miracles. Stud players usually have already been drafted before the Jets picked. So really! is making the playoffs with a bad team this year really beneficial for the Jets??

by overloadblitz on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

The Giants of 2007 didn’t look playoff worthy at this point in the season. Neither did the Cardinals of 2008. Seattle was a garbage team last year and they upset the Saints. Once you get in, there’s no telling what will happen.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Jets are behind so many teams when it comes to tie breakers though

Terrible conference record too. Lets face it, its gonna take a miracle for this team to get in.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

We have the tiebreaker over San Diego, and if we start winning we will have it over KC and Buffalo as well. The Broncos are not going to keep winning and Cincy is going to get destroyed in the second half of this year. If Oakland wins the AFC West and we end up in a tie with SD/KC/BUF for the final wildcard spot, we get it.

It is tough. But far from impossible.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Watching this team this year, Id be shocked if they get in

They just dont seem to be buying in. Sure they beat the pretenders like the Bills and Chargers but these last two games might be the nail in the coffin.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d be pleasantly surprised, but I wouldn’t be shocked.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

does it really help to have the tiebreaker against teams that’ll be draftin in the top 10 next year

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad you have to score to win. Lets be serious if this team got in they look like a 1 and done team

by JetsFan718 on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

When our only TD is scored by Slauson, there might be a problem on offense,lol

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, it isn’t about how we have looked until now. It’s about how we will look over the next six games.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I just dont see what they will do differently

Like all of a sudden the line is going to protect Sanchez better or we will somehow improve with backs like McKnight and Powell.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, the line can suddenly protect better. We have four very good linemen, and Hunter is streaky. If the Hunter that played against Cameron Wake in the first game against the Fins shows up, we have a very good line. McKnight just needs to hold on to the ball. He was tough tonight. Powell isn’t gonna be ready yet, but that only becomes an issue if Greene and Tomlinson miss extended time.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Im not sure about Greene but I have a feeling LDT is gonna miss some more time

I actually think McKnight has better vision than Greene but Im not sure he is ready for a bigger role just yet.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Jets would need everyone ahead of them to play .500 football and the Jets need to run the table.

Please excuse me if I don’t get my hopes up too high for that one. I think the Jets can handle it on their end, but it’s hard to think of every other team ahead of them to basically go in the tank.

by DesertJetFan on Nov 18, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

As I pointed out, we only need one or two teams to tank if we start winning. And lucky for us, those teams have very tough schedules ahead of them.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The 5th wild card spot is gone. That’s gonna go to the Ravens or Steelers. The 4 teams ahead of us for the last spot are Cincy, Oakland and Denver. The other teams in the mix are Tennessee, San Diego, KC and Buffalo. The AFC West will play each other a lot, so it is statistically likely that with a good winning streak, we can bypass all of them. If we are playing well, that also means beating Buffalo and KC. Cincy has one of the toughest stretches of football coming up in the NFL this year, and they just lost one of their best defensive players for the year. They are going to be out of the picture within three weeks.

As I said, tough, but not a stretch of the imagination by any means. The only certainty in all of this is, we need to start winning and keep winning.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The way this team is looking right now

a ‘good winning streak’ is not in sight. Mathematically, we are in the mix, but it’s going to be tough as hell.

by GreekPete on Nov 18, 2011 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Jets need to sign a viable backup QB and they need to get better at safety

After looking at Tannys last three drafts, I think I prefer he keeps trading picks away.

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by YankeesJets on Nov 18, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

Tebow didn’t throw for 300 and 3 TDs, but my sinking feeling is nonetheless vindicated, albeit in a much worse way than I envisioned (bobthesnapplelady and melrenee, your humble pie is served).

Don’t get me wrong, I love this team. But anyone who has watched this fiasco of a franchise for any length of time can predict exactly what wil happen.

This team is no different than under Paul Hackett (the king of 3rd and 14 draws, or quick outs to wide receivers in the flat for zero yards or less) and Herm Edwards/Eric Mangini (D plays well but can’t make a stand when the game is on the line).

by O-Insanity on Nov 18, 2011 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

THE OLINE MUST IMPROVE

I say you keep THe two probowlers..brick n nick….send wayne and slauson packing or keep em as back ups…send moore packin because he will def want more money next year or an extention and i dont think he is worth it..since being a captian the oline has been super sucky…..i would let callahan take over as OC..then we can ground and pound all day and not worry about sanchez throwing pick sixes and fumbling all the damn time.

by NYJetsinceBruceCoslett on Nov 18, 2011 5:32 AM EST reply actions  

Now it's gone too far!

Knocking the Jets players is one thing, put ripping Denny’s waitresses is going way too far!

by Timxing on Nov 18, 2011 6:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Heh.

Honestly — and I never thought I’d be the one to say this — I think we’re overreacting a bit. The Jets are still in a very suitable position to make the playoffs. Was this a bad loss? Without a fucking doubt. But we do have to take account of the circumstances.

This was a team that flew into Denver (I know it’s been harped on ad nauseum, but: Don’t forget about the altitude) just three days after a night game. This is a team that had a few key players either hobbled or out. Are those sufficient excuses to reason to a Tebow-led Broncos team? No. But it’s still November.

I’m far from the optimist — in fact, some have criticized me for holding onto my SOJ foundation for too long — but I still expect this team to make the playoffs. And, believe it or not, I still think that this team can compete in the playoffs. They’re certainly going to have to improve, but they have the personnel to beat an Oakland, a Houston or even a Pittsburgh.

I know it’s in our nature to push the eject button, but let’s put things into focus and pump the brakes a little. We’ll see what happens.

by Dopeness on Nov 18, 2011 7:07 AM EST reply actions  

I think this has been more of a culmination rather then a knee jerk reaction.

This team, led by it’s great on paper/trash on the field offense, has been garbage against good teams, bad again mediocre teams, and dominent against the lone terrible team we faced. It’s really a pipe dream to think that this team can rifle off an end to a season like we’ve done for the last two years. Even it we did, we would still do it behind a terrible OC who can nosedive the offense, and shortly there after the whole team at any point in time where he feels too comfortable.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree

I haven’t seen Jets play like a playoff team once this year.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 18, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This team simply isn't a contender

Too many flaws, not enough coaching. That’s the reality of the situation. We’ll likely pound the frauds in Buffalo with the long week and coming home, but it’s not going to change anything. And to think, just 11 days ago we were the big and bad guys who were going to take out the reeling Patriots who had just lost to 2 teams better than us. What a flip.

by J-Nasty on Nov 18, 2011 7:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Summed up perfectly.

I would only add that Eric Smith not only blew contain (like a freakin retard), but then he caught up to Tebow at the 5 and missed the tackle to save a TD. In short, Eric Smith stinks. Dude blew assignments ALL NIGHT LONG. This was an offense tailor-made for his skillset and he flat-out stunk up the joint.

Its time to rip that “C” off his chest and sit his ass on the bench and take a look at what the youngins got.

by Crackback on Nov 18, 2011 7:11 AM EST reply actions  

I'm also firmly planted in the "Its Sanchez, not Schotty" camp.

I thought Schotty actually called a pretty good game last night and played to the strengths of his team as best he could. Yeah the direct snap was a bad call, but if Joe catches it we can at least punt and pin them deep. And yes, you’d like to see McKnight on some more edge runs but your 2 best run blockers (Mangold and Moore) are inside, and your 2 worst blockers (Hunter and Mulligan) are on the outside.

And to top it off, he’s gotta work with Sanchez and all of his obvious limitations.

by Crackback on Nov 18, 2011 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

All of Sanchez’s supposed limitations seem to disappear when they actually let him throw the ball downfield. He usually looks extremely accurate on mid-deep passes. NFL defenses will pick up on the fact that Sanchez rarely throws deep, and they will coach their players up to play for the short routes in key spots. If you always throw five to eight yard passes on third down, and the defense doesn’t have to worry about anything else, game-planning against the Jets O becomes a piece of cake. That part isn’t on Sanchez at all.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 18, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

"when they actually let him throw the ball downfield"

When was that? Because not counting the run after, Sanchez hasn’t completed a single pass over 30 yards. Not even close.

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by Bro Namath on Nov 18, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the instances that come to mind immediately were all thrown to Braylon Edwards And Santonio holmes last year. There was that play to Kerley last game. That might be it for this year, which is exactly the point. Hard to judge a qb when the defense can key in on 5-10 yard plays all day.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Nov 19, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

we aren't talking about 30 yard pass plays

Just something beyond where the linebackers set up.

by ________key on Nov 19, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

100%
All of Sanchez’s supposed limitations seem to disappear when they actually let him throw the ball downfield. He usually looks extremely accurate on mid-deep passes.

The problem is that because the OL is not up to par, because Keller is not a great blocker, because LT is the only good blitz reading back, there is not a lot of time to wait for those routes.

This does not forgive the entire idea that Schottenheimer has been trying to force down Sanchez’s throat that he should be a 7 yard passer. Horrible. But it is linked to it.

by ________key on Nov 18, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to agree here Crack, I also know it's hard to take the unpopular stance too.

The problem is Sanchez at this point but Schotty has played to our strengths at all for a consistant period of time. I love the screens, and emphasis on the run for short periods of time. But the fact is, when we should have been sitting on a rare lead and pound the football, we were getting cute and trying to force the issue with the pass. A pick 6 later, it’s solely Sanchez’s fault? At best it’s both of their faults, at worst it’s Schotty’s inability to know the game situation and the fact that the Broncos O had done nothing all game.

Sanchez sucks, right now sure, but Schotty is the liability that needs to change first, it’s not like we would be making a mistake by firing him, where in Sanchez, with the right coaching we might be.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Aye aye

Sanchez MAY need to go, but Schotty DEFINITELY needs to go. It is hard to dispute that.

by Exystence on Nov 18, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Disagree
but he had the game in his hands on the first play of that last drive when he missed a tackle for a safety on Eddie Royal. It is not an easy play, but Leonhard usually makes it.

He came from an hard angle from what seemed 15 yards away, at near full speed. It is pretty easy to be juked in that situation. They degree of difficulty on that play is very high. I also disagree that a tackle there was an automatic safety. Royal is a strong guy and he was barely in the endzone. Even a tackle would have likely been at the 1 yard line.

by ________key on Nov 18, 2011 7:29 AM EST reply actions  

They have 10 days to prepare for Buffalo
I told you the other night that my gut told me the Jets were done. It is tough to argue with that now. If you are saying this team will turn it around, you just have blind hope

They aren’t done, per se. I actually think that they will sneak into the playoffs – again. But this team clearly has shown that they are not Super Bowl caliber. This season rode on if Sanchez could make the “leap” and in fact he is struggling, trending water, barely. The hidden fault in all this is likely the offensive line, a place where Tannenbaum thought he could skimp. You take away the comfort zone of a QB and you make him look bad, you stop his development. If indeed the QB was the key to this season, protecting him should have been the key.

They will prepare and win against Buff. They will go on a 4 game win streak. And will be 9 and 5. Then the season will come down to: Can they beat the Giants.

by ________key on Nov 18, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

should add

you don’t improve the OL and you give Sanchez almost a whole new receiving core, and you keep trying to get him to be a precision short yardage passer, and you get what we got. A happy foot QB who can’t relax, and is mistake prone.

by ________key on Nov 18, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Super Bowl caliber?

They’re not even playoff caliber. Not even close.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 18, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the fake spike was idiotic

There’s absolutely no chance you can justify that play to me. None. A fake spike smoke pass to Keller with clear man coverage over him was absolutely dumb. If Champ didn’t make the play at the LOS, him or one of the other 3 Broncos over there would’ve after like 3 yards. Spike it, run a regular play, get 8-10 yards and put Folk in a range where he’s at least hit a FG before.

by J-Nasty on Nov 18, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

Alex Smith

does anyone think it is coincidence that Alex Smith all of a sudden looks like a decent NFL QB or that he finally has a good coach? It is essential for any young QB to be coached up and if we dont get a good OC and QB coach Sanchez will never have the chance to be the QB that we need.

by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 18, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Alex Smith had a better track record and skill set than Sanchez coming out of college.

He has had a different offensive coordinator every year but one, including this. What is really helping him this year is a truly elite defense – not one built on hype – and a healthy elite running back (Frank Gore). Yes, his offensive scheme is better, but hat is because they know who they are and they do what they do best.

by Traveling Man on Nov 18, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true

Alex Smith absolutely did not have a better track record than sanchez coming out of college and his skill set is way below Sanchez’. Smith ran an offense like Tebow did in college and he was never a good passer.

He is playing well because harbaugh is coaching him up. It helps a lot that they have an elite RB and a good offensive line as well. Maybe Sanchez should be given a little slack since our O line has been terrible and our RBs suck.

Lets hire a good OC and see what we have with Sanchez. If he doesnt improve with a good OC then we will have to find a new QB but he does deserve the chance to play under a good offensive coordinator. Unfortunately I do not trust Ryan to make the right hire if he even gets rid of Schotty and Cavanaugh.

by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 18, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I watched Alex Smith at Utah for several years

He was coached by Urban Meyer, and yes, he was a spread quarterback and yes, he was going to have a transition issue to the NFL. But he was a 3 year starter, had good fundamentals, decent arm and, best of all, good game awareness within his system. The number of different systems he’s had to deal with for the 49ers has held back his development. IS he elite – no, and he never will be. Could you win a championship with him – the 49ers might, but probably not this year. The Packers are too strong and the 49ers need some better wide outs.

Sanchez has had the same system for 3 years and still looks lost. He doesn’t read his progressions consistently, has happy feet at the least sign of pressure, and doesn’t set his feet on every throw. He is best at play action with only 2 man routes. In the spread packages he tends to lock onto his primary read and takes too long coming off it, thus allowing the pressure time to get to him. If he does go to an alternate he doesn’t have enough time to really check the area before he throws, leading to the interceptions or incomplete passes. He had receivers open on almost every spread play last night, but most of the time he never saw them, because Denver knew the primary options and too them away. The checkdown was almost always open, especially in the first half, which is why he had a high completion pct for low yardage.

by Traveling Man on Nov 18, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This one is on everyone in the organization

Rex didn’t get the entire team ready to play – only the D showed up. Great scheme on D, bad tackling at the wrong times, poor execution in critical situations, and play calling that allowed an inferior team to stay in the game and go 95 with the game on the line. Special teams has been deteriorating for weeks, tackling getting sloppy, fumbles poor bocking, penalties.

Offensive schemes are just offensive – no consistency, no strategy to attack an opponent’s weaknesses, poor o-line play and blocking (on Callahan), idiotic game plans (Shotty) and poor execution on everyone (all the players). Sanchez is just the face of the problem, even though he is a big reason the execution is so poor – it starts with him. Receivers quit on routes when they know they are not targeted, the blocking is awful even when the play call is good. Everyone talks about how we have no long pass plays – how many long runs do we have this year? How about runs over 10 yards – forget 20?

Based on the success of the last two years – some of it luck, much of it deserved – this team has come to believe all it needs to do to win is line up and their rep will carry them through, even though they have taken enough shots in the mouth this year that they should be disabused of that notion. And this is where Rex is no Parcells or Belicheck or Jimmy Johnson (when he had no Jerry Jones on his back). No way any of those guys would still be going around telling everyone they are SB bound. They would be chewing everyone’s ass out after performances like the last two, even cutting players to make a point.

This season will play out as it will, most likely with no playoffs. If the organization sits down and looks at itself and draws the right conclusions from it’s evaluations, that will be the best result we could have for this lost year. Everyone in the organization needs to grow up, from Tannenbaum and Rex down to the ball boys. Hard choices need to be faced and made. Draft picks that haven’t panned out need to go. Talent needs to be re-evaluated, and the needs clearly identified. It is not possible for this team to fill all it’s needs in the draft, so the draft has to be predicated on what we cna get or think we can get.

Sorry for the length but after all all the disappointment and ranting I think it’s time we take a step back and try to be a little objective about where we are, here we can go this year, and look at what should be done for the future.

by Traveling Man on Nov 18, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Jets offense

when you really think about it we have not had a good offense since 1998 when Vinny had a career year. Ever since that time we have always had garbage offenses.

by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 18, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

It's year three

How much better does Sanchez look? To me, I haven’t seen anywhere near the improvement from his first year that should have taken place. I’m really disappointed.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

+100.

It’s all the mental mistakes. No good quarterback makes the same mistakes he makes year after year with no improvement. IMO he is starting to look like a Tim Couch – decent physical skills but can’t grasp the nuances of the position and makes the dumb play at the wrong time.

by Traveling Man on Nov 18, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

"At the wrong time" is more of by chance. But the fact that he does it so consistantly,

is the the underlying importance there. Is there a record for pick 6s in a season?

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Throw the freaking ball deep!

They’re getting nowhere with the dinks and dunks, and not only that, they’re getting pick sixes. Interceptions on long passes are almost like punts. WIth a QB like Sanchez, bombs are actually less risky than more.

Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.

by rxmeister on Nov 18, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'll be up, up, and away, up, up, and away 'cause in the end they'll judge me anyway, so whatever.

by Colts Homer on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

/takes breath

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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by peytonsthebest on Nov 18, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This was the drive of the game

Jets had the ball in Bronco territory in the 4th, and what do they do?
    1st-10, DEN47 7:26 J. McKnight rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
    2nd-8, DEN45 6:46 M. Sanchez incomplete pass to the right
    3rd-8, DEN45 6:41 NY Jets committed 5 yard penalty
    3rd-13, 50 6:41 B. Powell rushed up the middle for 6 yard gain

Just because Tebow hadn’t done anything, you can’t be so conservative that you don’t even attempt to get a first down. Those were three horrible play calls. 1 or 2 first downs there get them into fg range and bleed the clock.

by David G on Nov 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Not just conservative, but not consistent.

Conservative playcalling or Martyball, would have been 3 runs, not passing on 2nd down. So, it was conservativem then not, then back again. No identity at any point in time. If we go conservative there, why didn’t we earlier, lets say before Sanchez throws that pick 6. The Broncos aren’t built to overcome a 10 point lead, yet our terrible O, can’t execute even that while the D is stuffing them at all angles.

by Timmaht on Nov 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

If I see one more...

Third and long hand off I might explode. It is something I’ve seen too many times and doesn’t have any real utility aside from making it look like you don’t want to win.

by Saverio on Nov 18, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

even if...

they get a field goal they probably still let Tebow run wild and get the game winning TD…FG’s are only good with 3 seconds on the clock and a team is going for the win…there is no killer instinct,identity or heart when it comes to this group…I don’t see any veteran leadership…this team is a diaperload of crap from top to bottom in every aspect….I will not pay another dime for sunday ticket to watch this abomination called The New York Jets.

by jckjet4life on Nov 18, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Very debatable

Denver scored with 54 seconds left. 2 first downs would have bled about 3 minutes off the clock. Plus, who’s to say they may not have scored a TD and ended it??

by David G on Nov 18, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

TJ Conley needs to be on the bad list..

If the he dosent fuck that punt up they dont get a fg.. Whole diffrent situation on the last drive

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Fire Dantoni

by halpy on Nov 18, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

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