Patriots 37 Jets 16: Lackluster Effort Dooms Jets in Huge Game
by John B on Nov 14, 2011 1:10 AM EST
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The Jets fell to 5-4 tonight with a 37-16 crushing defeat to the Patriots. New England now has control of the AFC East. The Jets have a long climb to get back into the AFC Playoff race. The Jets had chances early to take control of the game, but they never found a way.
More after the jump.
The Bad:
Coaching: This is kind of general, but there were just trends that defied description tonight. The Jets got confused lining up defensively no less than four times. Once was coming out of a timeout. That is coaching. Twice Matthew Mulligan got matched up with a defensive end one on one in pass protection. Everybody gets on Mulligan, but he has no chance when that happens. That should never happen. Consistent blown assignments are coaching. So are constant stupid penalties. Tom Brady was a step ahead of the Jets' coaches the entire second half. The Pats expertly changed their personnel to create favorable matchups. I usually like to avoid intangible stuff like this, but the Jets did not seem prepared for this game.
Eric Smith: We have been saying it all year. Smith is a limited player getting starter snaps. If there is a worse coverage starting safety in the league, I have not seen him. Rob Gronkowski destroyed the Jets tonight with 7 catches for 113 yards and 2 touchdowns. Much of it was on Smith. He just cannot cover.
Offensive Line Pass Protecting: It was just brutal. Andre Carter beat D'Brickashaw Ferguson like a rented mule. The Pats registed 5 sacks. Carter had 4.5 of them. Wayne Hunter was not very good either. Everybody wants to jump on Brian Schottenheimer, but there is only so much he can do. I think Schotty has to go, but I do not think tonight was his fault. For the Jets to gash the Pats through the air, the quarterback needed more time. Want to know why Dustin Keller was so silent? One reason was the Jets had to start leaving extra guys in because of how bad the protection was. Even then, guys would blow their assignments, which led to stuff like Mulligan getting a defensive lineman without help.
Mark Sanchez: With that said, Sanchez has to take a heaping portion of the blame. It was not a terrible game. He threw for 306 yards. The first interception was not his fault. He hit the receiver in the hands. You know what, though? The Jets took him fifth in the Draft because they needed him to step up in games like this. I read something this week on the New York Times' football blog that hit the nail on the head. The Jets need Sanchez to become the reason they win instead of just a reason they do not lose. Sure, the protection could have been better. Great quarterbacks overcome those things. They lift their teams in big games. Sanchez is not there right now. The Jets need him to be. It does take a lot of guys longer than three years. I do not think starting back at square one is the right move. I do think we need to see some changes, though. Mark also did not bleed the clock as much as he could have before the Jets took a timeout near the end of the first half. The Pats used this extra time to help them score a touchdown.
Kyle Wilson: This was a brutal night for a guy who had been rock solid to this point. It started when he dropped an easy interception, leading to a Pats field goal. Normally I cannot get on somebody for a dropped pick, but that hit him in the hands in stride. It was like he was running a route as a receiver. He might have taken that all the way back. There was also a penalty when he got beat as a punt return blocker. He got lost in his assignment a few times. He was also toasted on a fourth quarter touchdown.
Shonn Greene's Drop: The first Sanchez interception hit him in the hands. It was a bit high, but that is a routine grab.
Mike Westhoff: I have two bones to pick with him. The first came at the end of the half when a personal foul allowed the Jets to kick off from midfield after a touchdown. He had Nick Folk kick it out of the end zone. All year long the Jets have had Folk kick the ball high to get the coverage teams down the field and pin the opponent deep. He could have had Folk kick it a mile high to the 2 yard line, and the Jets probably would have buried New England inside the 10. This is important because the Pats would probably not have been aggressive. Remember, they had just allowed a safety. Instead, New England launched a touchdown drive from the 20. My second issue was putting Joe McKnight back there for the punt. We saw in the Miami game that Joe turns punt returns into adventures. We knew he takes his eye off the ball when he gets nervous with men bearing down on him. There is a time and a place for McKnight in the return game. It is when the other team is pinned deep and likely to leave extra people in to just try and get the punt off. These kicks are likely to be line drives because the punter will try and overkick to get his team out from deep. These are punts where there will not be gunners bearing down, and Joe will have time to catch it. That was not the case in that spot.
Joe McKnight: He still has to catch the ball. The Pats really bottled him up in the return game too for the most part.
Pass Rushers: There were a few cases where the Jets got some heat. Jamaal Westerman forced an intentional grounding call in the end zone for a safety. The Jets did not sack Brady, though. He looked pretty comfortable in the pocket.
Aaron Maybin: Two plays in the third quarter kind of show how limited Maybin is. The first came when he went off the edge unblocked from the blind side. It was a strip sack waiting to happen. Then he widened his approach to the quarterback when he saw a back staying in to block. He needs to be able to go through the back and to the quarterback. A little shove finished him off. The second was on the touchdown that got wiped out. He did not really make an attempt to tackle Tom Brady. He just kind of tapped him.
Donald Strickland: How did he not recover that fumble? He was also burned for a touchdown in coverage.
Nick Folk: A kick that short should be automatic. It was eerily similar to a kick Jay Feely missed in his first game with the Jets in 2008 against the Pats. The Jets drove down the field with ease and had to settle for a short kick then too, which was shanked. That kind of kick is why people get so down on Folk.
T.J. Conley: The numbers do not look terrible, but he mishit one punt trying to kick directionally, got a lucky bounce on a bad punt, and failed to pin the Pats deep on another.
The Good:
Sione Pouha/Mike Devito/Ropati Pitoitua/Muhammad Wilkerson: Even though the Jets loaded the field with defensive backs, the Pats only averaged 2.1 yards per run because Gang Green consistently controlled the point of attack.
Darrelle Revis/Antonio Cromartie: Chad Johnson burned Cromartie early, but these two locked up their assignment pretty much all night.
Run Blocking: As bad as the offensive line was protecting Sanchez, they were consistently winning one on ones up front and hitting the second level. The Jets had a lot of success on the ground.
Shonn Greene: The blocking certainly helps, but Greene seems to be reading his blocks a lot better than he was earlier in the year. I do not see him leaving much yardage on the field. He averaged almost 4.7 yards per carry tonight.
Santonio Holmes: He was a big factor on the opening drive. This was probably his most productive game of the year with 6 catches for 93 yards.
Plaxico Burress: He only had 3 catches for 39 yards. One of them was a touchdown. He also drew a big flag and had a big reception wiped out on a suspect call.
Jeremy Kerley: I liked the way he made plays tonight. He finished with 4 catches for 79 yards. It seemed like he was hurt, which was the reason he came off punts. Then he returned as a receiver. If he was healthy enough to play receiver, why couldn't he return punts?
Patrick Turner: Nice to see the big guy show a sign of life.
David Harris: Because there were so many defensive backs on the field at the time, Harris' role was very important. He ended up in space a lot and made some huge tackles to prevent big runs where he was the only guy who could do so. He had 7 tackles.
The Jets now have a very short week before they head to Denver to take on the Broncos. I hate to hit the panic button, but this season has reached a danger point. The Jets put so much into this game that you wonder about their emotional state.
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Mah feelings on the game?
ksfjablfjashbfhuk. Just terrible
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
Not the end of the world
We’ll take it on the chin and carry on. A loss always seems worse than it actually is. We have a chance to recapture the winning feeling on Thursday. Let’s have a little faith. With that, good night all and cheer up, it’ll be alright:)
I was at the game and just got home but I'll have more to say later after some sleep.
But for starters, while I don’t know how bad this looked on TV, I believe it was a lot worse in person. Even during the TV time outs I saw things I couldn’t have imagined a pro team doing. I don’t think this team makes the playoffs and I now take exception with those who say this is a more talented roster than the Patriots. It isn’t – not when their bottom three safeties can outplay our starters with ease, as just one example.
this team needs to be overhauled this offseason
we need 2 new safeties .
i’m also losing patience with sanchez , green and keller to fulfill their potential .
rice ,forte and foster are FA this offseason and any one of those 3 would be an upgrade over green .
i would say the same with keller as finlay and lewis are also FA’s . either of them would be an upgrade over keller . can’t wait till we see cumberland on the field again
if its for you it won't pass you
whoa those are some good backs
Any of those 3 would be monsters on our team
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
Shonn Greene and Ray Rice are having nearly identical seasons right now. Forte will be franchised, if not signed by the bears and same as Foster.
the difference between why most people think every RB in the league is better than Greene – is because when Greene is on a roll, the Jets stop giving him the rock for some odd reason. last night he was averaging 5 a carry in the first half. second half they barely ran the ball with him. 13 carries isn’t even close to what he should be getting. he would have gotten 100 yards easy if they gave him the ball 20+ times last night. i don’t know how many times i saw Shonn rip a 5-7 yard gain and the next play they take him out. makes no sense.
This right here is why I have not given up on Sanchez or Greene.
Don’t get it twisted, Rice his All-World compared to Greene (Flacco is just pretty overrated), but Greene utilization is terrible as is Sanchez’s. Fire Shotty, evaluate our talent when used competently, and make moves from there.
I just don't know...
What is about the Patriots that cause this team to fall apart? We had everything we needed to be in this game—everything. I was actually on the phone with my mom on the way to her place when the game started and got the play-by-play. As soon as she told me Folk missed the field goal I almost tured around and went back home. I pretty much knew where the game was going from there. Even the joy of seeing a Tom Brady safety was swept away by stupid play call after stupid penalty after stupid mistake.
It seems like every time we play these guys with the division lead on the line, stupidity rules. You can’t do that against Belichick and Brady. Their record speaks for itself. In general, when they lose it’s not because of a string of stupidity.
The O-line that was finally playing well suddenly needs so much extra help that we can’t exploit a depleted backfield.
Whenever we have any momentum we’d give it right back up. Stop the Pats and McKnight muffs the punt. I even called it right before it happened.
Folk? He’s been solid all year and then…? This. However, with that said, the play calling that failed to put us in the endzone is worse than the missed kick.
Why do we throw the ball to Greene when we have: LT, Keller, Holmes, Burress, Turner, McKnight, Kerley, etc.? In what universe does that make sense. And for the love of all that’s holy Schotty, STOP RUNNING GREENE TO THE OUTSIDE. JUST KNOCK IT OFF!
It was the same BS play calling. Your run game is solid, your long passes aren’t bad. So what do you do when you hit the red zone? “Hmmm… let’s try some more short passes.”
Also, there’s no reason to hit the panic button. If we won this game, we were the read deal. We lost and the worst case scenario is missing the playoffs and someone paying for it. I think we know who is going to get the boot.
And to all the Sanchez haters, we’re either gonna make him the fall guy and some coach somewhere who isn’t a moron (i.e. not Schotty) is gonna develop him properly and he’ll be a monster while we field some mediocre retread. Either that or Schotty is gonna get canned, we’re going to (hopefully) get a real OC and things will come together.
You wanna see what happens to a QB who is painfully inconsistent year in and year out, showing flashes of brilliance one moment and then complete stupidity the next is given a real offensive system by a coach that is not a moron (i.e. not Schotty): check out the 7-1 49ers. I know they’re in a soft conference, but they just took the Giants to town today and are one Tony Romo desperation drive to prove he’s not a total loser away from being undefeated.
I agree with most of the above.
As far as Keller’s development, it’s hard to develop when you get only 2-3 targets a game. Last night because the o-line forgot how to pass block, he had to be kept in – when he was in – to block.. Also, the one think the o-line did well was straight ahead run blocking, which is Greene’s strength. The only thing that stopped him was BS giving up on the plays. I’ve heard many smart coaches say you keep on doing something until they stop it. BS thinks he’s smarter – he’ll stop using it before they figure it out. Genius!
The defense was totally disorganized all night – the hurry up just exposed it thoroughly. The 50+ pass play to Ochocinco was indicative of the night – the Jets didn’t know what coverage they wanted to be in or what the personnel should be, the Pats stacked the receivers to confuse them even more., and only Brady’s 1st half ineptitude prevented the blowout from happening in the first half. He’s not the Brady he once was – it takes him time to get going. But he’s still enough of the old Brady to shred an overconfident/underachieving unit as ours was last night.
The defense was over matched. Not only the safeties, but the LB’s too. Scott was invisible except for one play – time for him to go, He talks a better game than he plays. Let Rex talk – you play, Bart. I love Leonard but he is over matched against the top QB/TE combos, not just the Pats. Westerman and Pace were out of position as much as they were in position. Harris was a beast inside, but he can’t cover TE’s like the Pats have. Eric Smith doesn’t even deserve a mention – the face mask penalty was just so stupid it defies words. The run defense looked as good as it did because the Jets – when they have the right personnel in (thank you Rex!) – can shut down an attack as anemic as the Pats.
Finally, there is Sanchez.. After 41 regular season games and 6 playoff games, first of all, I am tired of hearing about learning experiences. He makes the same mistakes over and over again. He doesn’t set in the pocket when he throws – the interception off Greene happened because the pass was inaccurate and high. Over half his throws last night were inaccurate – Holmes and Burress made great plays on some of them. He missed Tomlinson TWICE on short checkdowns. He threw behind Burress on one play in the end zone when he was wide open if he led him. And again, since Carter was bringing the pressure over Ferguson, even if you are surprised by that, why the hell you don’t call rollouts away from the pressure is beyond me. The pick six was just so stupid – it happened right in front of me and you could see it coming as Sanchez had locked onto the checkdown a good 2-3 seconds before he threw it.
This organization needs a top to bottom review. This is a perennial 8-8/9-7 type team. You might get 10 with a favorable schedule. But in today’s AFC that’s not getting you to the playoffs unless you are in the West. There is a decent amount of talent on this team – more on offense than defense right now – and today’s NFL shows you can become very good very fast. But if you still think you have your franchise quarterback or dominating defense, think again.
by Traveling Man on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
And one last point
This team mindset sucks – they have their collective heads up their ass. After the beat down they took last night – worse than last year’s blowout IMO – they are all talking on the post game shows about regrouping to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS NOW THAT THE DIVISION IS GONE! NEWS FLASH MORONS – worry about winning the next game in Denver in 4 days time. Let the playoffs take care of themselves The Pats may still stumble – they are not that good. Take care of your own business one day at a time, one game at a time, and let the chips fall.
by Traveling Man on Nov 14, 2011 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
Finally someone who is not spreading doom and gloom
Agreed. No matter how bad the scoreline is, it’s only one loss. This team can still go 11-5, imo. The sooner we all get over this, the sooner we can move on and focus on Denver.
Said as a Pats fan
Let me be very clear. I cannot wait to watch what the Jets do to the Broncos this Thursday. I live in a college football region. And many of the people around me are under some delusion that Tebow is a starting calibre NFL quarterback. I am fully aware that Rex is one of the 5 best defensive coaches/minds in the game right now. And I am fully aware that the Jets are one of the 2 or 3 best defenses in the league. So this week, when they want to talk to me about Tebow’s dominance and will to win, I"m gonna find out how much money they’re willing to put on it. Because if the spread is 14, I’m taking the over.
Sometimes glass glitters more than diamonds because it has more to prove.
funny
Las Vegas odds makers had the Jets a one and a half point favorite over the Pats. Seeing that the Jets won three games in a row and looked very dominate in those wins, they should have been a three or four point favorite. The Pats lost the last two games and were on a slide. The Jets have owned the Pats at home in the last few years. Only giving up a point and a half at home seemed like a winning bet. Vegas wanted the betters to put their money on the Jets. This was a trap game and Vegas did not want to give the Pats more points in fear of people betting on the Pats. Vegas made a lot of money on those diehard NY fans. Denver with points might be a good bet. The Jets may still be thinking of the beat down by the Pats come Thursday.
Jets vs Pats is a game where the push is a reasonable bet. Going into the game it is difficult to image that either team has a full touchdown advantage over the other in terms of the odds. End result of the game may be 14 points in favor of either team. But you can’t guess going in which team would have the two touchdown advantage.
That being said. It’s the Broncos. If the Broncos score a touchdown against the Jets I would just assume that the Jets were being nice and spotted them a score in the first quarter so they wouldn’t feel bad about themselves. Because Rexy is classy like that.
Sometimes glass glitters more than diamonds because it has more to prove.
Completely pathetic
I’m absolutely disgusted by the effort, preparation and execution of the Jets last night. Rex and Schotty both deserve a lot of the blame. They showed a graphic last night that Sanchez has attempted passes of 31+ yards only 4 times this season. We couldn’t do a thing against the worst pass defense in the NFL?
Just disgusting.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
When the QB gets sacked five times, it’s obvious he doesn’t have the time to throw long passes.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
That sacks have alot to do with us having no threat to run the ball.
The problem is, we shouldn’t just have a threat to run, with the success we were having with it, we should have been pounding the rock the whole time, and setting up the play action. 2 sacks that I saw were on empty backfield plays, one of those being on a play were we had no one block Andre Carter at all. It’s dumbfounding how people can miss something as easy as the fact that when we throw 2 times more then we run, we LOSE. Run the damn ball. We did it the last few weeks and we succeeded, then Shotty decided he wasn’t getting enough credit so he decided to inject himself into the game, and sucked it up, like usual.
Then where the hell are the coaches?
Every hear of rollouts or the screen game? Does BS even know what a screen is? Sorry, I don’t buy it. The o-line was outcoached and outplayed. Getting outplayed happens. Getting outcoached is a disgrace.
by Traveling Man on Nov 14, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
We used to run bootlegs and naked bootlegs
I could be wrong, but I don’t think we do that much anymore.
It is all on the coaching
This team was flat out unprepared to play this game and you have to wonder how that can be against our biggest rivals. As for Sanchez his lack of development is due to Schotty and Cavanagh being idiots. We need a new OC and maybe just as important a real QB coach that can help Sanchez improve. Nobody ever mentions Cavanagh but look at his resume and you will see he has been a disaster wherever he has coached.
Cavanaugh
was also the OC for Wannstedt for the Pittsburgh Panthers and the offenses he put out there were terrible. This is not the guy we need to help Sanchez improve since he is a hack and nothing more. Either get Tom Moore to come back as our OC or get a young aggressive coach as well as a QB coach that has a clue.
Trent Dilfer would make a magnificent QB coach I think. Dilfer is really good with his QB analysis on tv and I think he could really help Sanchez but I doubt he would leave espn to become a QB coach. Either way this offense needs new coaching because I really believe that Sanchez can be very good once he gets the right coaching.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 14, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that too
I don’t know who is currently available or who would be good for the job, but anyone would be better than Schotty.
Tom Clements or Joe Lombardi
Clements is the QB coach for the Packers and Lombardi is the QB coach for the Saints. Either of these two would be an upgrade at OC. The Jets need to pluck a guy from one of the top offenses in the league to be our new OC.
Clements has worked with Rodgers and Lombardi is another guy who looks like he might be ready for a promotion. Either way we need to look at the top offensive teams and hire from one of them to make this offense formidable.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 14, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'd go with Lombardi
During Saints pre season games, he’s made Chase Daniel and Sean Canfield look somewhat impressive and that’s saying something.
It was not Ferguson's fault
He took Andre Carter and rode him wide and around the pocket. Sanchez dropped back, but never really stepped up in the pocket so Carter was just running around Brick and winding up at the QB, because he couldn’t step up and deliver the ball. I would say Ferguson was responsible for 1 of those 4 1/2 sacks. Sanchez no pocket awareness was the rest.
This.
Sanchez held onto the ball too long on every single sack, and at least twice literally ran into the waiting arms of Carter. It was the easiest 4.5 sacks he’s ever had in his career.
by Exystence on Nov 14, 2011 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not every one, but I agree he holds it too long.
One 2nd and 6 that turned into a 3rd and 14, Carter was completely unblocked with an empty backfield. Now, Sanchez or Brick should have seen this, but also no one did and it was an autosack.
This game was all about the chess match and momentum
Several things in the the first half was execution. The Jets should have owned the Pats first half.
7 on that first drive (or even 3 was imperative). Playing from zero for most of the the half was a burden. A great first drive, but not scoring is symptomatic of the Jets’ first Q and first half woes. Every point on the board matters. It isn’t just points, it is psychology, especially for Sanchez who as yet simply is no Brady.
Dropped INTs. Any of those 2 or 3 NTs could have changed Brady and the game. The Pats were not that far from reeling. But you give life to someone like Brady and he will kill you. A very different game.
Sanchez’s timeout. Honestly, this is just the kind of thing that Sanchez is still VERY deficient at. Yes, the defense should have held them, but it is the small thing, the game-feel thing that he just does not get. That was the moment to have “taken over the game” go into the 2nd half with the lead, start locking it down. But you could feel the opposite happen. Brady and Bil decided to start punching at the head. The BB knows how and when to just floor it at the right time. And their success lead immediately to practically a whole 2nd half of no-huddle. That timeout by Sanchez was all the crack that BB and TB needed.
Truthfully, sometimes games are like this. Small things get blown up and it looks like dominance. But this game could have been won.
the truth is
the Jets had great field position for most of the game and could not captalize on it. They had the Pats pinned deep many times, starting from the 10 or 15 yard line and could not stop them. The defense and offense both played poorly. The Jets need to be more consisent on both sides of the ball. Playing great against the Bills followed by a terrible game against the Pats will not bid well in their quest for a wild card spot. Two or three more poor games may stop them from getting to the post season.
Time to draft a pass rusher.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Nov 14, 2011 7:36 AM EST reply actions
game changer
An elite pass rusher is a game changer. It makes everyone else on defense look that much better.
I really wish Rex would shut the hell up already
Until your ready to outcoach BB and your team shows up prepared for their biggest game of the year just shut your damn mouth because it looks and sounds ridiculous.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
We need...
~ A legit pass rusher (i.e. not relying on dudes like Calvin Pace, Jamaal Westerman, and Aaron Maybin to generate the rush… they are all supplemental pass rushers who would be awesome if we had, like, a DeMarcus Ware or JPP or someone who can do it on his own)
~ Not one, but 2 new safeties. Leonhard is ok enough if we had a great player next to him but Eric Smith needs to take his ass to the bench
~ A top notch #2 receiver… possibly a #1
~ Starting RB, preferably one who can actually make people miss
~ Dustin Keller to stop taking weeks off
~ To send Schotty to the moon
This was a chance to seize the division and the team from Rex on down blew it. Now we are, for all intents and purposes, 2 games behind the Pats and their remaining schedule is a cakewalk, one winning team left and that’s at home in Week 17 against Buffalo in which they may not have anything to play for. We could possibly win the rest of our games and STILL not win the division.
Agree
with most of your points. This lack of a pash rush has hurt us for years and its about time we drafted a real pash rusher. Its amazing that the Giants seem to find stud pash rushers every year or two while we havent had one in like 10 years.
As for the safeties I couldnt agree more. I do like Leonhard but he isnt playing well and Eric Smith is just worthless. I would love to see a RB with some speed instead of these bigger slower backs that we draft. Greene is not the answer and Powell is just a scrubbier version of Greene.
The only thing I disagree with is Keller. I dont think our incompetent OC knows how to utilize anyone on our offense correctly so I wont blame Dustin for that. Schotty and Cavanaugh both need to be shown the dor and we either need Tom Moore or some young up and comer from a team like Green Bay to install an offense like theirs.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 14, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Richardson
is a real good player and I doubt he will be available when we pick. Truth is RBs are not that hard to find and we do have bigger needs in the first round anyway. I would much rather draft a stud pash rusher in the first round and find a good RB later on.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 14, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
You never know
RBs aren’t a high priority anymore as far as drafting early, but we could trade back into the first round if he’s still available after we pick, like the saints did with Mark Ingram. Don’t know if we’d do it though.
Greene
I actually don’t mind Greene for our style of play. He’s been running much better lately after our line started poorly this season and then Mangold got hurt. I haven’t really seen LT or McKnight break free much either when they’ve had the chance… so I really think Greene would fit well here as long as we stick with the playactions.
He’s a bruising back that pays dividends towards the end of games. The problem is that our whole offense starts games so poorly, we never seem to be in a position to wear the opposing defenses down with run after run. I don’t know if that’s on the playcalling, prep or whatever… but I’d be so thrilled if our offense actually managed to look competent for a whole first quarter for once.
I agree
I’m more tired of Greene haters than Sanchez haters. Jets should have given him the ball more yesterday, he was running well. If the O-line can give him enought protection to pick up a little steam (which they couldn’t do at the beginning of the year, but are doing better now), he doesn’t need to make people miss…he runs right through them.
been saying this since last season.
i really don’t understand why people say we need a RB that is speed and elusive and completely hate on SG – does any one remember Thomas Jones?? lead the league in rushing and had his best seasons as a Jet..if i remember correctly, he didn’t exactly make people miss, and never outran defenders. well that’s Shonn Greene- TJ’s second coming. give him the rock 25 times a game like any other starting RB and he will silence the critics.
Sanchez haters
for those of you that put the blame on Sanchez and not Schottenheimer/Cavanagh look at Alex Smith. This guy was a disaster his entire career and now is playing well because he has Jim Harbaugh coaching him up. Sanchez is far more talented than Smith and he will show that if we ever get him some real coaches to bring out his immense talent.
I think Sanchez is a much larger problem than you think. There’s no progress here, he’s still making the same mistakes he made as a rookie. Schotty’s play calling is dumb? You know Sanchez has the option to change the play at the line, don’t you? I think fans tend to blame things on the coaches because they root so hard for the players who are leaving it all on the field every Sunday. Mark Sanchez has all the tools to be an elite QB, except between the ears. I’ll hope he gets it eventually, but he sure ain’t getting it yet.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Sanchez
If you dont think coaching is the main factor how do you explain Alex Smith? This guy was amongst the worst QBs in football and now he is playing well with Harbaugh. Give Sanchez a new OC and new QB coach and he will shine.
After doing a little research I nominate Tom Clements for OC. Clements is the QB coach for Green Bay so this would be a promotion for him. I would think this guy would most likely make a good OC since he has been around that team and he has helped make Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league.
by bklynbrewcrew on Nov 14, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Easy, they've taken the ball out of Smith's hands
He’s thrown for 200+ yards 4 times this year.
I’m not giving up on Mark Sanchez, and Schotty definitely sucks ass, but I also don’t think the OC is some magician that makes a player’s flaws go away. Alex Smith had Norv Turner, too, who is one of the best offensive guys in football and he still sucked. It’s possible Smith simply got better as well, if you look at his past 2 seasons it’s not like they were absolutely horrendous.
difference is
Alex Smith has great players around him, they make him look and play better.
10-6
I see the Jets losing to Denver and NYG but winning the rest…will that be enough for the playoffs? We better hope the Bengals lose 4 more…
Not Denver
I realize it’s short rest but we cannot lose to a team that can hardly complete a forward pass. We lose to Denver, we deserve to miss the playoffs.
This loss will have the Jets all fired up on Thursday. With no passing game to fear, I can’t see the Broncos posing a problem. The Pats couldn’t run last night with Brady as the QB, how is Denver going to run with no threat of a passing attack?
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
better hope
it does not come down to a tie with the Ravens.
This was a team that said it was important but didn't play like it was important
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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you believed
the jets would dominate the Pats and take over first place in the east. Better hope they get over the beat down before they play in Denver on Thursday. More than two additional losses and the Jets season is over. Bengals and the Ravens will probably end up 10-6. Steelers will win the north.
Pathetic
How do you get destroyed in front of national TV twice in one season?
How do you sleep walk through a game of this magnitude?
How can you not show up for the first half again and again every week?
How do you not control the game and keep it away from Brady when you are gaining 5 yds per carry?
How do not find a way to take advantage of the worst secondary in football?
How do you let a 34 yr old washed up defensive tackle look like the second coming of Bruce Smith?
How come we can’t adjust our gameplan in the flow of the game?
How come i can predict the next offensive play from my couch?
How come Schottenheimer still has a job with this team?
How come i can see defeat in Sanchez’s glassy stare?
How do you run your 33 yr old running back down by 21 with 1 minute left and get him hurt?
I don’t think they recover from this one, changes need to be made
just like they didn't recover from last years beatdown?
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by Jadden Hopkins on Nov 14, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
You're right but,
You can’t win a Superbowl without beating good teams consecutively, which we can because when we face good team Shotty always tries to be a mad scientist instead of going with what works. He plays to othere teams weaknesses and not our strengths, you can’t do that against good teams because that feeling out process you go through (See our first drive) will cost you in the end.
Pash rush
is the biggest need for this team and has been for years. Brady kills us because he has 10 seconds to throw every time he drops back. It has been proven that when you hit Brady he is relatively easy to rattle but we just dont have the players to get the job done.
We will recover
But we will never be a truly good team unless and until we go in a different direction offensively.
Our offense just “looks” different then other teams.
I truly believe that we are limited by the system we have in place.
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I'm not really too worried about any other game on the schedule
I don’t think any other team can hang 30 on us, short of us handing them as many points as we did yesterday. It should serve as a rallying point as it did last year. I trust in Rex. As frustrating as he can be in games like yesterday, in the end I trust he will get it right.
My major concern is Sanchez basically. It’s time to face reality—he’s not the guy we need him to be. If he’s ever going to be is a debate for another post, but he couldn’t find guys open yesterday on half of his dropbacks against the most decimated secondary in the league. He still stares down his first read and is basically screwed if it’s not there. That’s the QB we have. I worry that the rest of the offensive players lose their confidence and trust in him.
Still, our D should be up to the task the rest of the way. The Giants game is the biggest concern, but pretty much only because of their defense. A healthy Brodney Pool should go a long way to helping that safety corps(e). 12-4 is probably not enough to win the division, but it’ll bring a wild card spot.
by Exystence on Nov 14, 2011 9:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This team is not going to win out
We’ll lose unexpectedly to some team we’re better than, and we’ll probably lose to one of Philly or NYG, a team who is talented enough to hang with the Jets.
I don't know
I think Rex won’t allow us to overlook anyone anymore. That’s not to say that we overlooked the Pats obviously, but what I mean is that I think this loss is going to bring out the badass mean coach in him and the team will get more disciplined and consistent.
At least I’m really trying to be optimistic and hopeful about it. :S
by Exystence on Nov 14, 2011 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's a bit unfair
Considering Schotty’s still there, but even more so he’s the guy when we win but not when we lose. I’m never an advocate of throwing in the towel on our QB after a bad game, but that’s just how I see things, especially when he has the chance to right the ship as early as Thursday.
I'm actually not blaming him
If you see my post below about Schotty you’ll see I completely blame him. But the end result is that Sanchez has not progressed to the point he should have by now. He’s not the QB we needed him to be this season, especially given that the talent around him this season is worse.
I don’t think it’s his fault, but that’s just how it is. Even in games where he’s been good, like last week vs. the Bills, he’s had those moments where you cringe and curse at him. Overthrowing guys badly, completely being blind to guys in coverage at times, that random one play every game where Sanchez commits the silliest error of the game (the ultimate WTF end zone INT of all time last week, the way too soon timeout yesterday), the pouting and bad body language. All of those things happen. They can’t against good teams in the playoffs, or we’re screwed. Sanchez has managed to elevate his play in the playoffs the past two seasons, but he’s also not had to have as much responsibility as he has this season. And that’s going to be the death of us if he doesn’t start handling it.
by Exystence on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its' definitely a combination of factors, but players need to make plays
Sanchez can audible, but he can only audible to a play that fits the personnel on the field, which was brought in for the original play. This is where BS’s mentality of changing personnel for every play kills us. Not only does it telegraph the play half the time to the defense, it limits the options. That being said, I agree with what Greg Buttle has maintained for a long time. The players need to step up and make a play, and on offense it starts with your QB. And Sanchez is not up to it and may never be up to it.
by Traveling Man on Nov 14, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Gaints are a balanced team
The Giants not only have a good defense but they have a QB that can win a game when it counts. They played good against the 49’ers in San Fran. Those two teams are probably the only ones that could possibly take down Green Bay. Bragging rights in NY, going to be a tough game knowing the Giants D-line is much better than the Pats D-line.
Bradshaw is out with a foot injury so the Giants have no running game
Our defense will match up well with Eli’s offense
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what? Pats had no running game
Couldn’t stop Brady how are the Jets going to stop Eli. Also, bad news, the Gaints have a way better defense than the Pats. Not gonna be pretty. Sanchez may be playing QB from the ground.
if Sanchez was on the Patriots, they would find a way to play to his strengths. The offensive system is not able to take advantage of our weapons. they are consistently out coached, and fail to get going until the third quarter….. on defense, we still can’t cover tight ends , nor do we get a pass rush. Sure we got a shot at a wild card, but eventually we will get exposed again until we can correct our problems.
Shotgun
With as many things that went wrong last night, the biggest thing that annoyed me was our use of the shotgun, especially early in the game.
We had been running the ball well, so I don’t really understand why we go shutgun so many times when it’s maybe 2-and-6 or something close to it. We’re a team supposed to be using the run and then play-action passing. Once we’re in the shotgun, don’t both of those options mostly disappear?
Listen… if we started off with 10 yards on 7 carries let’s say… sure, try shotgun in those situations. But when it’s first-and-goal on the 7… why start that way? If we’re gonna be the “ground-and-pound” team everyone says we want to be… shouldn’t we at least keep the run as a threat on most plays?
TOTALLY frustrating game… but when I see too many of those unnecessary shotgun sets… I die a little more inside…
Also, Schotty needs a big share of blame.
Matthew Mulligan, mediocre blocking TE extraordinaire matched up one-on-one with a defensive end on two separate occasions? Even if Sanchez is supposed to get the ball out quickly, which Schottenheimer should know by now is not possible for Sanchez unless his first read is wide open, you’re asking for him to take a massive hit by design. Going 5-wide multiple times in the middle of decent drives just to get Sanchez killed because we apparently can’t handle a four man rush? I guess we were having too much success going 2- and 3-wide, why would you ever stick to what’s working after all, right? Plus you know that your QB can’t handle more than a hot read and a dumpoff on any given play, so wtf is the point of even trying that shit? And when we did keep extra blockers in—sticking with Mulligan in the game when he couldn’t even run block worth a damn? Plus wtf are we, a power running offense, a dink-and-dunk west coast offense, a spread offense, or what? It’s week we’re going into week 11 and he STILL hasn’t figured it out????
I’ve come to a conclusion. I’m convinced that Sanchez is so unaware because he’s inherited it from Schottenheimer. If there was one thing that was clear when we decided to take Sanchez in ‘09, it was that he was going to need good coaching, being as inexperienced and raw as he was. Brian Schottenheimer has CLEARLY been the wrong man for the job. If he stays beyond this season, he will be the brown streak in the underpants of whoever makes that decision’s legacy.
by Exystence on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Good points on the special teams
Kicking out of the end zone there at the end of the half was extremely dumb, almost as dumb as Sanchez’ timeout. I would disagree with Greene, felt like though he did get his 4 and 5 yard carries, there was more out there if he could make a linebacker or safety miss for once.
Also, the play-calling was abysmal in the first half. Going empty backfield on 4 or 5 passes, when the play-action is your strength (and you’re running the ball well!) made absolutely no sense. And of course Sanchez got sacked on at least one of those empty backfield situations.
The fact is
turnover-turnover-turnover = loss. The Pats have the worse seconday in the league with a patchwork of nobodies. Sanchez could not take advantage becuse his O-line could not stop the Pats D-line from putting him on the grass. The Jets did not expect the Pats to be that successful getting to Sanchez. TOO MANY extra opportunities were given to Brady and he scored more points. Schotty’s game plan was designed with Sanchez having more time to execute pass plays. Sanchez was under more pressure than expected and no adjustments were made. The Jets are in danger of a Pats hangover on Thursday night at Denver. Denver is playing better and the Jets have to get their heads out of the beating at the hands of the Pats and win. Pats now control their own fate to win the AFC east. They have a soft schedule and the Jets can not hope the Pats will falter. Jets need to win games if they want a wild card berth. The Bills will fade and the only competition will come from the AFC north. Hope Cincinati fades too.
I will probably get killed for this but
I think the Sanchez timeout is being way overblown. It was third and goal with 17 seconds on the play clock and 1:24 to go. If he does not call the TO and all goes well, Jets score the TD and NE still probably gets the ball back with well over a minute to go. It only took the Pats 1:11 to score so whether or not Sanchez calls the TO, Brady has more than enough time to score.
I realize that if the Jets didn’t score on third down, they could have let the clock run and still go for the TD, but there’s a good chance they’re going for the field goal at that point which puts us down and deflated at halftime anyway….obviously a better result than what actually happened, but that’s only hindsight.
This is just a long-winded way of saying that if feels like our D can’t make a big stop when we need them most. Blame Sanchez all you want (I usually do), but the D should have stepped up and made a stop…at least hold them to a field goal.
Whatever…we have so many more problems than ill-advised timeouts anyway.
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