Patriots 30 Jets 21: Road Trip Ends With No Wins
by John B on Oct 9, 2011 8:27 PM EDT
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PrintThe Jets fell to 2-3 today with a 30-21 loss in Foxborough to the Patriots. They completed their three game road trip at 0-3. This one might have been the most frustrating of the three because the game was there for the taking. The Jets just could not take it. Join me under the jump for more.
The Bad:
Brian Schottenheimer: This was a very poorly called game. The Patriots cannot stop a nosebleed on defense. Schottenheimer did not even attempt to exploit it downfield until it was too late. Something here does not add up. The Jets went out and paid Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress for a reason. The pass protection was really good. The run game was working to set up play action and slow down the pass rush. The Jets did not even try and exploit the advantages they had.People complained about some of the calls the Pats receivers got in the secondary. The officials were not biased. They just were calling it very tight. It would have been nice for the Jets to try and use this to their advantage on offense. New England's corners were sitting short. If I could notice this, surely the offensive coordinator could. I just do not get it. Neither apparently do his receivers, who have reportedly been voicing concerns to the head coach. Schotty lost the fan base a long time ago. Now it seems like he is losing his own players, which is dangerous.
Rex Ryan: I have two big gripes with Rex today. The first was the defense on the drive where the Pats iced the game. You cannot blame that one on the players. The Jets had the wrong personnel on the field for way too long. They played a three man line of Marcus Dixon, Calvin Pace, and Jamaal Westerman. That is playing the pass in an obvious run situation where the Pats are looking to bleed clock. Benjarvis Green-Ellis had 10 carries on that drive for 59 yards. On a third and short on that drive, the Jets all out blitzed. Brady had an easy hot route short for a first down. That is like target practice for him on third and short. My second big gripe with Rex is his insistence on starting Eric Smith, a situational player if one ever existed, over Brodney Pool. Smith was really good today as the Jets used him at a linebacker spot for a big portion. The one exception was him biting on play action and getting beaten deep by Wes Welker in the third lined up at safety.
Eric Smith on the Big Welker Catch: That is why he should not be starting.
Antonio Cromartie: Absolutely toasted on the Deion Branch touchdown, lucky Aaron Hernandez dropped the ball on the interception, non existent in run support.
Defensive Line: On the first touchdown drive when the Pats ran it so successfully, and Phil Simms could not stop raving about the blocking, Mike Devito and Sione Pouha missed a combined three tackles that could have turned big runs into minimal gains or losses. Muhammad Wilkerson particularly seemed to have a tough time. He was sealed on some big plays.
Donald Strickland: Bringing him back seemed like a good idea at the time. He could not handle Rob Gronkowski.
Aaron Maybin: Very silent today.
TJ Conley: Only averaged 37.9 yards per punt, and there were some really ugly ones that put the coverage unit in a tough spot.
John Conner: Had a dreadful dropped pass that might have gotten the offense out of its funk sooner.
Bart Scott: The Jets had a lot of subpackages that limited his time, but he sure was quiet, wasn't he?
The Good:
Offensive Line: It is amazing the difference one player can make. Nick Mangold made the difference. The offensive line looked like an asset today. Mark Sanchez had time to throw. The backs had room to run. Everything seemed much calmer with Mangold in the lineup. There were less breakdowns. I think one of the untold areas where the Jets missed Nick was making the calls. There were a lot of breakdowns with Colin Baxter in there. I noticed Matt Slauson making a few calls the past few weeks. This week things were smoother. Do not look now, but Wayne Hunter is playing reasonably well.
Mark Sanchez: Sanchez really did everything the Jets asked. He was 16 for 26. His 166 yards were really not his fault. His receivers did him few favors. Mark's numbers could have looked better with some better play from them. I really liked how Mark did not leave the ball exposed when his initial read was not there. He still kept his eyes down the field and hung in there.
Shonn Greene: With the return of good run blocking, Greene had his best game of the year. He broke some nice runs, particularly on New York's first touchdown drive. I am starting to get worried about the way he reads blocks, though, because I thought there were a few cutback lanes he missed.
Joe McKnight: Set up a touchdown with his 88 yard kickoff return and averaged just under 40 on the day. Wouldn't it be nice if the Jets could figure out a way to get him the ball on offense?
Plaxico Burress: He was effective finding the hole in zones and squatting. He had 3 catches for 42 yards. Even though it ended up incomplete, it would be nice if the Jets could try and get it down the field to him like they did that time in the fourth quarter. Put it up and let him make a play.
Santonio Holmes: That route he ran on the touchdown was a thing of beauty. If only they could have looked to exploit the matchup edge he provided...
Jamaal Westerman: Simply put, a monster game. He had 2 sacks, a hit, and drew a holding call. I did not think he was as bad as people made him out to be before. I stand by my comment that Bryan Thomas' injury could be a blessing in disguise for this team.
Darrelle Revis: Revis was rock solid as usual. I am going to be annoyed to no end by Boston fans who do not understand how a defense works bragging about Welker burning Revis. That was not Darrelle's fault. He did a great job chasing down Welker, and that almost gave the Jets a turnover later in the drive. It pretty much took an unbelievable throw for Brady to complete a short pass to Welker. The penalty call against him was a bad one.
Calvin Pace: Pretty good in run defense setting the edge.
Kyle Wilson: I liked the job he did in coverage. The illegal contact on Aaron Hernandez was ticky tack and initiated by Hernandez. Brady made a great throw to Deion Branch to get Kyle. Aside from that, pretty good.
Brodney Pool: Another guy victimized by a ticky tack call, Pool showed once again why he should be starting with 8 tackles.
Eric Smith Not on the Welker play: And Smith showed why he should be a situational guy with 9 tackles dropping to the linebacker spot a lot.
Blitzes Generating Pressure: Some of it was coverage, but the Jets sacked Brady 4 times and hit him or hurried him a lot.
Jeremy Kerley: Great touchdown catch. He has probably won the slot role from Derrick Mason.
Other Thought:
- While the defense was not first rate, the numbers were a bit deceiving. The Jets were playing a lot of bend but don't break. The offense's constant three and outs also gave New England a lot more chances. The D took over with the Pats in their territory twice and held New England to two field goals. New England had three touchdowns and a field goal that last drive where the personnel packages were bad. Not stellar, but all things considered, not nearly as bad as the numbers would say. The guys on the defense did a solid job.
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Total agreement on Bryan Thomas
he just hasn’t delivered, and the pass rush already seems way better in one week against the top passing defense, I think we got lucky with his injury.
Cromartie is frustrating.
I get this way every mid-season but I want B.S. fired. There’s something to be said about being unable to deliver against the worst defense in the league. I blame him.
Let’s cut Strickland. I just don’t see how we could do any worse.
I won’t be terribly heartbroken if the rumor of Mason possibly being cut to send a message are true. Kerley looked at home in the slot tonight.
I hope Bart Scott is healthy.
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Worst-rated defense in the league
is not the same as worst-defense in the league.
If we had the worst defense in the league we wouldn’t be 4-1.
It is what it is
Good point
I really don’t think you guys have the worst defensive talent in the league. I’m not expecting a top five unit, but I’d be shocked if you guys didn’t move up a bit.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a worse D.
If you are going to make the arguement about “rated” versus “actual” there are a ton of variables you’d need to look at. It helps you D that you have an awesome offense that can control the TOP. The same variable hinders ours.
Green Bay Packers have
the 2nd worst Pass D. They are 4-0.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Oct 9, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez did not throw an interception,
or fumble the ball. In fact, the Jets did not fumble once! They managed to win the turnover battle. Most teams lose that to New England, and when New England loses that battle, they tend to lose. Their defense also got to Tom Brady more than the Pats got to Mark Sanchez(although I haven’t seen total pressures).
The Pats defense held all of your running backs to single-digit pickups in the run game. That’s not the work of a bad D, and to be honest Mangold looked far healthier than I thought he’d be.
It takes more than a good offense.
It is what it is
I didn't hear that rumor
I did read something of a mutiny by Cimini. What are the chances of this happening?
I don't particularly care but
I just want to know if Mason will be given the dreaded pink slip or if it’s just Cimini’s journalistic prowess working its magic once again?
On the Welker TD
Isn’t that Smiths fault? He’s supposed to have deep coverage and blew that. Revis got caught being lazy though
Yes
Wasn’t a TD, though.
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thanks to Revis
I thought that hustle was going to be the play of the game.
He closed – it seemed – 10 yards, probably completely out of anger.
Yep, oops.
Thanks for that clarification though
by NYJALLFINGDAY on Oct 9, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Revis fault...
it was zone… Smith got caught peaking inside instead of playing his position. Why is he even starting?!!! Ugh… this team is pissing me off.
The play calling is horrendous, personnel in some packages absolutely ridiculous, and Sanchez vision down field just plain dreadful. I’m done with making excuses for this team and will not make excuses for Sanchez anymore….He had time today to make it happen and failed to do so. They need to get it together. Kendrick Ellis should be on the field destroying o-lines. Ropati, Pouha, Ellis, Devito, and Wilkerson? What more could you ask for in running situations…??? We have a great team. Good personnel, now we need better coaching to put it together. Fire Schotty. End of story. His play calling is pee-wee football at best. The best thing this team did today was finally put Kerley in on offense…. he is explosive. What a terrible game plan against not so good defense. Spread these fools out and surgically remove their confidence. Three Wideouts and a TE will work. McKnight would have feasted on some of those runs to the outside… Greene for runs between the tackles and LT in Shotgun packages exploiting the LBs… spread the dayum field… why the hell are we always bunched up? No effing wonder Shonne Greene hits a wall every two three plays… stop with the tight formations if you’re running the ball in the open field. Tight formations are for GOAL LINES Brian!! You effing dummy. Somebody give this idiot a Madden game. He could learn something.
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by King A! on Oct 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pats D cannot stop a nose bleed
but they sure can stop the Jets.
Give credit where credit is due. Jets D looked incredible as usual. They looked ready to bounce back after last week’s debacle. They lost at Gilette, which every team has done in the regular season since 2006. It happens.
The Fins and their backup QB will cure your woes next week.
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Frustrating loss. But there were alot of positives.
Refs were a burden this week but our run defense looked lost. Sanchez had a solid turnover free game, shonn greene looked alive, and the protection was better. But we have to get off the field on 3rd down! Westerman looked solid today with 2 sacks.
by jets4life24 on Oct 9, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A lot of our run D issues
was the fact we were playing the pass and daring them to run it. It pretty much created a lot of mismatches.
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the same could be said for the patriots
playing the run and daring the jets to throw it. i’d like to see the breakdown, but it seemed the pats put 7 men in the box the majority of the game
Brandon Spikes makes a world of a difference for the pats run D.
After all, his first start of the year was against the raiders last well where we slowed McFadden down real nice-like.
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Great game,
i love to hate the Jets and I hate to love the rivalry. Belichick and Ryan are tied at 3-3. It’s not over yet, as we’ll be visiting you guys soon enough.
I wouldn’ t be too hard with Ryan’s defensive calls regarding personnel especially when the Pats started running their no-huddle. The whole point of their no-huddle is to not let the other team’s defense make adjustments so they can be taken advantage of. Ryan would have had to either burn timeouts or instruct players to fake injuries(see; NY Giants).
Oh, and while I already thought he was the best center in the league, Nick Mangold may have also proven that he is one of the toughest lineman in the whole league on either side of the ball. There’s no way his ankle wasn’t trying to kill him throughout the game tonight.
See you guys in November!
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Revis burned?
This Boston fan doesn’t think so. It was a well executed play that would’ve been hard to defend. When Wes caught that pass, I knew he’d get run down. He’s quick, not fast.
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Well not Pats Pulpit readers :-)
Less intelligent fans.
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Being 100% serious
Those guys keep up the high standard you help set when you ran the place.
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Thanks man
Good to have you back and enjoying your stuff. I hope all is well or as close to well as it can get.
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totally disagree that it would fool any safety,
But I will say that Belichick recognized something in game film at half and went right for the jugular. They knew that Eric would bite. And maybe even knew that the Jets would be in a zone.
Think it may be because BJGE was running the ball well that drive no?
Well I’m sure it had something to do with it, and Brady is probably the best at the play action…
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it was, believe it or not, the very first offensive play of the 2nd half. 1st and 10 at the 20. Belichick saw something, and went right at it.
oh wow...
yeah it must be. The pats were running the ball throughout the game, and i’m sure BB would think the safety would bite.
side note: the pats passed the ball 31 times, and ran it 33 times. lol
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Actually, if you look at the last two Pat drives of the 1st half they hardly ran the ball well at all. There was no real reason to be diving to the line, but clearly Belichick saw something.
Hardly, but they did run it.
and like I said, Brady is probably the best at the play action. I’m sure Ryan told his men to stop the run during the half too, so when brady went for the ply action it go to the safetie’s head, and he bit on it.
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Bottom line, Smith was WAY out of position.
And for me, this was the kind of play Schottenheimer would never have called.
Yeah schotty sucks. lol
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It looked like zone to me.
the safety should have picked up on welker, but he bit on the playfake, and welker got behind him.
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And nice to see you again MPF. :)
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Welker pretty much admitted as much
when he told Brady how Smith had been playing him, they took advantage and it paid off on that play.
Keep the faith!
Can't agree more with the write up.
We are going to have to start adding our Front Office to the bad along with Rex as the lack of offensive correction is down right criminal at this point. Shotty needs to be held accountable or fired outright. To say he is a capable offensive coordinator at this point or even workable is just ignorant.
Also the refs should have been on the bad for a second week in a row.
Not as terrible as last week but still not doing a passing job calling games.
Schottenheimer
is an idiot. I really am at a loss to understand how a guy who seems to try so hard to not be predictable somehow has opposing defenses always knowing what the Jets are going to run way before the snap. Running on first and second down is not generally a good strategy in today’s NFL either. I wonder how much of the stupid game plan (e.g. not trying to take any shots down field and run first early) is also due to Rex’s disgust with the Ravens game…
This is the Jet 1st Q offense (most of it probably scripted), and the 2nd Q
Who touched the ball or was targeted
1st Q
Greene
Greene
Keller
Tomlinson
Greene
Conner
Holmes
Greene
Tomlinson
Conner
2nd Q
Keller
Buress
Greene
Greene
Greene
McKnight
Holmes
Greene
Greene
Buress
Greene
Keller was not targeted again in the 2nd half
I've said it in the other thread here
that CHung (with the help of some other at points) shut down Antonio Gates. I think when it comes to the TE, our defense has so far been very solid.. but keller should have had more targets imo. Bad on Sanchez’s part?
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if they are shutting down the TE with rolled coverages, then the WRs should have been running free like gazelles.
Not always the case.
McCourty is still good (albeit disappointing compared to last year), and Bodden has been solid for us when healthy. Arrington is a good slot guy. They still can cover WRs one on one, but of course they can’t do it mostly all game like Revis can. Maybe most, but not all of it.
Like I said before, I think Sanchez would greatly benefit is the jets get another TE and adopt the pats 2 TE scheme.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
lol - what were you ranked in pass defense before coming into this game???
Listening to you one would think you have a few pro-bowlers back there.
nah. were average-slightly above average.
You have to understand the QBs get most of their yards against us in the 4th quarter, where they HAVE to pass the ball to win, therefore padding their stats. And for the past couple games we were without 2 of our 3 starting CBs. Bodden was in for this game, and we need Ras-I to be healthy.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
its a running out the clock thing.
Its like a prevent defense. prevent them from getting the big play, but when the receiver catches it, make sure he stays in bounds, and runs the clock out. In the redzone, is where they tighten up. And when some of the clock runs out, the pats would get the ball after the FG/TD, and run it out some more. If they get the TD, so what? They would have to get the ball back, but the pats offense gets the ball back, runs the clock out, and tries to march down the field for maybe another score.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I got it. The Pats are a good pass defense, despite the fact the were 32nd in the league and have had notorious problems getting a pass rush (maybe even more important than coverage), and despite losing their best LB. Got it.
Done debating.
Okay. I'll end on this note than.
The pass rush is fine, but thats mostly when Haynes and Wright is in healthy and in the game. But they can’t seem to get that sack. lol
The pass defense is good. Not great. They’ll give up some plays, and make some. Just that people make them out as worse than they actually are, and this is attributed to the 4th quarter think I told you about. People point out the Chad henne thing, but the truth is they shut down Henne, and let him sling it in the 4th because once the pats get the ball back, its even more game clock winding down, with a possible score.
Its just good. thats all. meh
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Most of those 400 yards cam in the late 3rd and 4th.
when we had 2 or 3 TDs ahead of the dolphins.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
and thats when we started playing prevent.
believe me, I noticed a gigantic difference in our defensive play when he started getting yards.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
disgusting.
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That Wes catch and run,
Was a Cover 4 by the Jets. Wes just split Eric and Revis. IMO, It was mostly Eric Smith’s fault.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Oct 9, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
mostly? lol
credit to the Pats for making the Jets defend the whole field and not just the first 15 yards from scrimmage.
Good point
It’s very weird for me to see Welker used to stretch the field, but we’re seeing more of it this year. I guess you gotta go with the dependable target and not what the guy’s labeled as, re: Slot Receiver.
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Indeed. lol
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Wow...
Brodney Pool: Another guy victimized by a ticky tack call, Pool showed once again why he should be starting with 8 tackles.
I mean 8 tackles, is not a good thing, he’s a pass coverage safety compared to the other two, and the Pats ran and he had to tackle Green-Ellis… because they could run down and when he’s making the tackle that’s not what you want. And, Smitty had 9 tackles. With a huge TFL one 3rd down.
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Eric Smith Not on the Welker play: And Smith showed why he should be a situational guy with 9 tackles dropping to the linebacker spot a lot.
yes, unfortunately he was running up to the LB spot on the Welker play as well.
IMO the worst coaching decision Rex has made to date...
…was talking BS out of taking a head coaching job a few years ago. He and Tanny need to make the tough decision and let him go. I would rather have Tom Moore calling plays from home than to keep watching this week after week.
Well it looks like his contract is up at the end of this year.
Please someone confirm that and make my day.
John Conner: Had a dreadful dropped pass that might have gotten the offense out of its funk sooner.
A big drop, but only kinda. What in the world are we doing getting cute passing the ball to Conner for almost no big reward? Do we want to say, “See Belichick, you just can’t predict us! We just got a first down with our hands-of-stone full back!” We spent a ton on Holmes (and relatively on Plax). Why are we trying to trick the worst pass defense in the league? Put your best talent in the best position to succeed. You don’t pressure the Pats D with mind games. You pressure it with talent, and you pressure it down field, imo.
Joe McKnight: Set up a touchdown with his 88 yard kickoff return and averaged just under 40 on the day. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Jets could figure out a way to get him the ball on offense?
I never would have thought last year, never, that Joe was going to become one of the few bright spots on this team. He is playing inspired football. Hats off to whatever coach or coaches that brought this guy along, mentally.
Kerley can take a hit. I like that. Digs lit him up in the back pads today.
I think Jim Leonhard should be in the next Nike "Boom" Commercial or at least the next time he makes one of those tackles he needs to jump up with a can of Kool-Aid and shout "Oh yeah".
i never thought our teams future
would cosist of a 5th round pick and joe mcknight. then again i never thought our O-Line would colapse for 2 games, so…
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How could you put Plax in the "good"?
Sorry, but those drops were horrendous. They hit him right in the hands.
3 catches on 8 targets. 3 drops I think. And failed to get his feet in on a critical play.
Plax has been average/bad all season. 13 catches on 34 targets.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So far, with Holmes going invisible at times, Mason getting benched, and Plax just missing something
These guys should all go have a sit down with Schotty and Rex and figure out what the heck is wrong with them
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't disagree with that.
The only thing I would change would be to have those three meet with Rex and whoever our new OC is.
I'm one of the first to call out Schotty but
Just think if these guys made some plays. Just think of this game if Plax made those crucial catches.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They shouldn't have to.
This offense should be dominating, at the very least playing consistently mediocre. With all the play makers we have, we shouldn’t be this bad on offense, IMO.
They shouldn't have to make crucial catches?
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How about just making a first down as "crucial"
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
if Mason gets cut, Cimini reporting; he’s in Rex Ryan doghouse.
This is what it sounds like When Doves Cry- Prince
I don't see the point unless he is taking a roster spot from another receiver
And I don’t see that he is. Patrick Turner? C’mon.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm all for it
i would like to see cromartie try to tackle him
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Needs to be run in practice.
Shotty you’re at Safety so if he get by Cro you are the last line of defense to stop him. Oh yeah and, he gets a 10 yard running start and you have to stay in front of him, show the team what you got.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 9, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh that's not good.
If Rex can’t work with you, that’s certainly not good but I wouldn’t be opposed to it. One less headache in that locker room.
I rather Kerley
take over the slot now, Mason would make a great #4 receiver.
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 9, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
or better
TO or randy moss
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I was never totally okay with the Mason signing
Plax, I thought was okay but I haven’t seen Mason do much and I’m not loving the vibe he’s bringing around the locker room. It may be just me but something feels a little off where he’s concerned.
Yeah,
I had no problem with Mason signing for depth, but I wanted Kerley in the slot, since the beginning.
I expect some big news to happen this week.
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yo john
first off why the hell r u getting mad at antonio for getting beat for a touchdown TOM BRADY HAD ALL DAY TO THROW u cant cover him forever especially with no help. and ur gonna call for eric smith benching after making just one mistake who the hell r u! and another with about when u said rex had trouble with his personal. first off he is one off the brightest defensive minds in football so i have no idea how u can challenge his thinking and second there is no obvious run down when u play the patriots. if Brady would have saw a run personal he would have thrown it man! and our defensive line did the best they could they only had five men in the box with a whole bunch of defensive backs
E. Smith has been atrocious in coverage. He's a running downs player only.
Our pass rush was decent throughout the game. E. Smith has been terrible again TEs, RBs, and deep zone all year.
Cro got beat by a single move in the endzone with no other receiver in the area where he was covering. It was “The Bad” not “The Terrible”, that’s prob what he was thinking. Cro was bad, even not considering the bad calls by the refs.
HOW WAS HE BAD HE PLAYED A GREAT GAME
ASK ANYONE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COVER SOMEONE WITH THAT MUCH TIME GIVEN TO BRADY U GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, I was a DE not a DB, but he definitely did not play a great game.
His INT was a product of a drop on that should have been a TD because of his poor coverage.
Branch Burned Cro that play.
Branch went one direction, than the other and Cro was left trying to keep up there, and Brady saw and threw to him.
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There is a phrase in basketball, getting one's ankles broken
That reminds me of the Branch TD.
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Pretty accurate if I do say so myself.
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AND ERIC HAS PLAYED WELL ALL YEAR
HE HAS ONLY HAD A PLAY A GAME MAYBE WHERE HE WAS BEAT BAD BUT THAT IS IT NO ONE IS PERFECT A HE HAS PLAYED WELL SO FAR
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 9, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
E. Smith has been awful against the pass all year.
I would encourage you to watch the games again and hit the Caps button again.
I HAVE WATCHED THE GAMES
AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS GOOD COVERAGE AND PROBABLY ONE BAD PLAY GIVEN UP IN A GAME AND YES IMA KEEP ON USING THE CAPS BUTTON!
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 9, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
than why are people making catches on him?
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...so defiant.
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Oct 9, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt see him make one good pass play this game.
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So you admit he was bad this game?
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you've watched the game right?
who do you think the TE have been running over all year?
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first off why the hell r u getting mad at antonio for getting beat for a touchdown TOM BRADY HAD ALL DAY TO THROW u cant cover him forever especially with no help
His job was to cover Branch. He did it very poorly on that play.
and ur gonna call for eric smith benching after making just one mistake
No, I’m calling for Smith’s benching after being not very good in coverage for his entire career.
who the hell r u!
I’m John B.
and another with about when u said rex had trouble with his personal. first off he is one off the brightest defensive minds in football so i have no idea how u can challenge his thinking
He made a poor decision. That’s how I can challenge his thinking.
if Brady would have saw a run personal he would have thrown it man! and our defensive line did the best they could they only had five men in the box with a whole bunch of defensive backs
Which is why they should have had more men in the box.
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by John B on Oct 9, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was great. lol
And I do agree with all you said.
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Yeah
Those were odd nitpicks.
I mean I can see where the people are coming from disagreeing with me saying Burress was good. These complaints? Sheesh.
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I thought Burress was good...... but he could have done a lot more which is left me with the feeling of "disappointment."
But hey Im a pats fan. I can’t complain. lol
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UR NOT MAKING SENSE
MORE PEOPLE IN THE BOX WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN MORE PLAYS DOWN FIELD FOR BRADY AND IF ERIC HAS BEEN SO BAD Y THE HELL THE JETS BRING HIM BACK FOR! WHAT THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY R DOING TOO!
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LOL
who the hell r u!
I’m John B.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Oct 9, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh
and wayne hunter since u havent noticed has been playing well for a couple of weeks now
I'm pretty sure I noted it when I said
The other weak link in the line has been right tackle Wayne Hunter, but he has quietly improved his play from brutal to passable the past two weeks.
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Tis is true... and he hath proof!
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and there is no blessing in disquise
with BT hurt and ur clueless about greene if he didnt cut back maybe it was because there was no cutback lane
No, there was.
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And BT's replacement in the starting lineup had 2 sacks today.
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Probably not
He had no sacks this season, did not even average half a sack per game last season, and had two the entire year two years ago.
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can i warn him now
i’ve been waiting to warn someone for a while now
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I THINK HE IS RIGHT
JOHN. B EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS WRONG AND WE SHOULD ALL JUST GIVE UP RIGHT KNOW THE JETS ARE GOING TO LOSE THEY NEXT 15 GAMES AND NEVR WIN A SB EVER AGAIN!!BRING ACK SOMEONE WHO KNEW HOW TO COACH LIKE ERIC MANGINI
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C'MON JETS!!!! BRING BACK BRETT FAVRE BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL GIVE THE JETS A CHANCE!!!!
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!!
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LOUD NOISES!!!
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Oct 9, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
JOHN B YOU SHOULD GIVE UP
AND TURN IN TO A GIANT FAN MAKE THIS SITE BIG BLUE NATION THE JETS WILL NEVER HAVE A QB LIKE ELI MANNING WHO WON A SB BOWL 4 YEARS AGO SANCHZ WILL NEVR BE ABLE TO WIN LIKE ELI WE SHOULD TRADE REVIS FOR ELI!!!
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WE NEED A BETTER PASS RUSH
WE NEED VERNON GHOLSTON OR WE’LL NEVER WIN AGAIN! OH AND WE NEED A REAL COACH. NOT MANGINI, BUT KOTITE
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 9, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
CALM DOWN!! CALM DOWN!!!!
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by rexthejet on Oct 9, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 9, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
one of my favorite pictures ever
i’m convinced a golden retriver could have done a better job coaching the team
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Honestly, I'm looking at it and I can't stop laughing
But the man did one amazing thing that 90% of coaches wouldn’t have done. Started Wayne Chrebect
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 9, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Whats your obsession with caps lock? lol
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i wonder what you must be like in real life then...
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by rexthejet on Oct 9, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
its also annoying....
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Westerman is Derrick Thomas?
I don’t think so.
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i hope you aren't getting worked up about this
i’m picturing some guy screaming at his computer right now…
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has bt ever had 2 sacks in one game?
i don’t care why westermen gets his sacks, as long as he plays at this level, i think it is pretty clear he can rush the passer better then bt
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MAYBE I'M JUST WRONG
MAYBE NONE OF THE JETS REALLY PLAYED BADLY LIKE I SAID. EVERYBODY PLAYED GREAT.
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YOUR RIGHT EVERYONE PLAYED GREAT
EXCEPT SANCHEZ HE HAS TO GO ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ EVEN JEMARRUSS RUSSELL ID RATHER HAVE RUSSEL OR KELN KLEMENS WE WILL NEVER WIN A SUPER BOWL WITH SANCHEZ EVER FOR 20 YEARS OR SO WE WONT WIN A GAME INTILL WE GET RID OF SANCHEZ BOO SANCHEZ
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YES KELN KLEMENS
HE WOULD BE BETTER THEN SANCHEZ WE WOULD WIN THE SB IF WE HAD KELN KLEMENS OR EVEN JOE NAMOTH IN A WELL CHAIR I HATE SANCHEZ HE IS TERRIBLE HE CANT COMPETE A FIRST DOWN OR KICK A FIELD GOAL I HATE SANCHEZ SHIP HIM BACK TO CUBA WERE HE COMES FROM
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you know i'm joking right?
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i tried to make it pretty obvious
i mean, cuba!
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We've done a 180
We started the night with some GGN members saying I was too positive.
Now apparently every negative thing I said was wrong.
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needs MOAR CAPS LOCK
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Oct 9, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
look
i aint mad (and the pic there was funny) but i just dont understand how everyone could think that our players r perfect. i mean like ya’ll complain about cro man do u know how many teams could use a cro right now i know darrelle is amazing but other then in this league corners get beat a good amount of the time cause recievers are so good and off course the rule changes. what im tring to say is be grateful for what ya got cause a couple of yrs ago thinks were bad but now they lookin betta now im not saying dont be critical cause thats our job but man ease up and yea i do think and i said think that BT has had two sacks in a game before i think it was agaisnt the packers a couple of years back when favre was the starter
NO NEVER!!!!
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what im tring to say is be grateful for what ya got cause a couple of yrs ago thinks were bad but now they lookin betta now im not saying dont be critical cause thats our job but man ease up
Pointing out that the man Cromartie was covering got open for a TD means I’d rather go back to Hank Poteat starting?
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Oh jesus....
As a pats fan I wish. lol
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no what it means is
u gotta but pressure on Brady cause its hard to cover someone for that long one on one
He was sacked 4 or 5 times w. a tons of hurries. Looks like Rex incorporated the gameplan of the Dec and Jan games.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Oct 9, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i find it strange
when opposing fans seem to be more optimistic then some of us
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it was a close game.
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Oct 9, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see how open Branch was or how he got open? This wasn’t exactly a guy breaking off his route and playing schoolyard football.
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i don't think you are going to get anywhere, john. b
good luck though
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but on the play cro was scored on
was he pressured then i mean c’mon u watched the game
yea Branch broke the route off cause brady was still on his feet
so he had e time to re route himself and get open that is hard on any corner in NFL to cover
do you happen to like cro, emmanuel?
you might be one of the few in the united states who does…
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i personaly hate him
but again this could be just me
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Just you.
The guy’s a playmaker, and while he takes some dumb risks in coverage, I can name plenty of times where his athleticism has come through in ways that nobody else could. If he doesn’t make that deflection pick last yesterday, we would have been practically out of the game by halftime. If he didn’t make that clutch return down the field vs. the Colts last year, the already slim chances of us winning would have been slimmed down to almost impossible.
I would like to look at how much he's helped us versus costed us.
I for one believe he’s made more boneheaded plays then good ones, like more PIs and blown coverages then clutch plays and INTs. He is definitely overpaid, IMO.
and yes as a jet fan i like cro
and u should watch him play sometime he not that bad
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Brady had time
But Cro was just burned. If Cro actually stayed on his man, Brady would have likely been sacked or throw it to someone else with an unknown result.
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ur not making sense
if Brady has time like he had on that particular play then anyone would get burned
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't Brady having time that was the problem for Cro.
Branch BURNED Cro. BRANCH was the problem for Cro, not Brady. Branch ended up wide open with Cro stumbling to catch up for him even though Cro was right on him a few seconds earlier.
That TD was more the result of Branch breaking free, and getting open more than Brady having time (which it took only about 3-4 seconds until brady made the throw, which is not godly time the way your thinking of it)
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um wrong again
first off cro never stumbled and two its was a result of Brady having to much time. cro had it covered initially but brady was still on his feet pading the ball so branch kept working his way open until he did. GIVE BRADY TIME AND HE WILL BURN ANYONE! KNOW UR FOOTBALL!
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
brady thrown the ball after about 4 seconds.
Cro had initial coverage, but Branch got himself open by classic mis-direction, and Brady found him wide open. Why are you defending Cro there? He was tasked with defending Branch, and Branch ended up wide open. yes, it could happen with most CBs, but its still bad coverage. Brady threw the ball after about 4 seconds, so he did not have a godly amount of time that your portray it to be. meh
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4 SECONDS IS ALOT OF TIME IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
AND WITH 4 SECONDS BRADY CAN BURN ANYONE! ITS NOT CRO’S FAULT U CANT COVER FOREVER! ESPCIALLY WHEN UR ONE ON ONE IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF IT WERE ZONE CAUSE U WOULD HAVE HELP BUT THIS WAS NOT THE CASE!
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't a lot of time.
Its not a lot of time in football standards anyways either. believe me, being a pats fan Ive seen brady back there much longer today. Cro just couldn’t stay on coverage with Branch that play. Does he suck? It takes more game to decide that but so far he is doing okay.
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wait ur a pat fan no wonder
but still when you can pat the ball 1 2 3 4 5 times my friend thats alot of time espcially in the NFL man n ur right cro does not suck he actually pretty good but even at that when u got that much time ur gonna get bet period
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
His job was to cover the WR. he got burned, and it wasn't THAT long.
He didn’t cover his assignment, and thats that.
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um if u watched the game
IT WAS THAT LONG AND ONCE AGAIN ITS HARD FOR ANY CORNER TO COVER A RECEIVER INT THE NFL FOR THAT LONG AND THATS THAT
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched the game, and the play about 5 times.
It was 4 seconds. I counted. Brady looked to his right for two seconds, than to his left, and threw on the 4th second to Branch. Wide open. I’m sure most corners in the league have no problem covering guys for 4 measly seconds. Hell, last year Branch burned cromartie to as well. Cro got burned again, and he couldn;t stay on him for 4 seconds.
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* I watched the game, and I watched the play about 5 times
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well i glad u did
first alot of corners would have had a tough time covering a receiver for 4 secs and when u give a QB like brady that much time u will get burnt and i watched it too in fact on the highlights everyone was saying what i was saying u give a QB that much time in man coverage u will get burt period and if u watched it brady had forever he could have stayed longer in the pocket with the ball if he wanted to c’mon mr i watched it five times
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
4 seconds is NOT LONG. Its pretty much the average amount of seconds any QB will have.
2 seconds to drop back, 3-4 seconds to look around, and throw it. Its not fast, but its not like he is standing there forever. This seems to be the center of this debate.
Cro got burned in 4 seconds. Thats bad, especially in the endzone where the field is short. He did a bad job staying on his man for 4 seconds. 4 seconds is NOT LONG, because most pass plays last for more than 4 seconds, unless the WR gets open quickly, or the QB throws it for the WR to make a play. In a short field? Cro got burnt, that’s that. It was bad coverage.
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When the camera followed Branch
I noticed Branch pulled a move on Cro that left him stumbling too, which was why he was so open. He didn’t get open because Brady had 4 seconds (lols), but because he broke free from Cro’s coverage pretty easily.
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yea ur right
he put a move on him put ur telling if there was pressure in Brady’s face he would have completed that throw? time was needed for that route to develop and thats what brady had he had all day n yes 4 seconds is alot they offensive lineman that u block at least four seconds and the ball should be out not only did they do that but if brady held the ball longer he still would have had no pressure in his face i mean the guy hoping turning his head looking for an open guy when the whole time he wanted to go to branch but he knew he needed time for the route to fully develop and thats what happened and cro couldnt do nothing about it
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
emmanuel
here is the link. as you see on the replay, around 3 seconds into the snap, branch goes one way, cro goes the other. it’s one thing if he was near him. branch just totaly faked him out. the announcers even mention that he wide open, no one is withen 10 feet.
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thanks for your effort jack
but i think it is impossible. i think we would need a second by second break down of the play to convince him.
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Yeah.
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u cant convince me cause the replay
is saying exactly what ive been saying all along. its man to man coverage its a double move route but here is problem Brady has so much time to throw (and once again 4 seconds is alot of time) that he can wait for the route to develop and throw the ball with out pressure in his face if Brady wanted he could have held the ball longer and still no one would have touched him. KNOW UR FOOTBALL GUYS!
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a single move, an out.
Great link, watching it again makes Cro look alot worse and highlights his weaknesses.
Watching the reply shows Brady moving the WRs around so it was single coverage with Cro there.
Branch went up through a very weak press attempt to get Branch to the inside,faked in and went out. Cro bit on a pretty standard fake. It’s how any novice WR is trained to do an out.
So Cro failed to get him to the inside like he wanted then was worried about him going inside behind the coverage he didn’t realize he had no help to the outside.
ok
Brady moved welker in so he could block bart cause if he did not move him in then bart would have had a free run to the QB now cro knows the defense and probably expected bart to get there so he could make a play on the ball but instead bart never got there which gave brady a whole lot of time to make the pass to branch cause like i said u cant cover the receiver forever
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it was one move
it’s not like he was covering him well, the second he turns to brady, he is wide open. it’s not like the route broke down, it was all one route. you are the only one here who believes he wasn’t burned on that play. the anouncers say he got burned, and about 5 people on this blog have been trying to make you see sense.
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i don't uderstand what you are seeing
try and convince me it wasn’t one route. you can’t.
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for 24 hours now
we have been trying to convince you he got burned. pat fans and jet fans have been trying to tell you this. if you think we “DON’T KNOW OUR FOOTBALL!!!” i suggest you go somewhere else were they might understand
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 9, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'M IN!!!
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i'm told we have to speak to this guy
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I wouldn't do that if I were you.
Next thing you know Ellis will be kicking through your protests like the Kool Aid Man and then what are you going to do?
Disagree about Sanchez in the good
First of all, he had solid protection today. But even on a lot of the passes he completed, he threw it behind the receivers. The TD throw to Holmes was great and he hit him in stride, but other than that the receiver either had to slow up or stop completely and reach back on a lot of the throws. Once in a while that’s ok but when your protection is good and your throws are never more than 15 yards downfield, you can’t be consistently behind your receivers.
On a side note, the fact that the receivers ALWAYS run 3rd down routes short of the first down line is something that has to change immediately.
Got to agree
there were key possessions where he came up empty and was missing open guys, especially early in the game. Plus, he is looking to hit receivers short of the chains. That’s not just on receivers not running their routes. It’s on him for not looking downfield a little more. There was a play where he had McKnight open, but went shorter to Kerley. There was another play where Holmes was wide open, and he went to Burris in coverage instead. He’s been extremely frustrating to watch, mostly because every throw is under 8 yards.
Loved Greene today. Despite doubts about whether or not the running game could turn on a dime, we did very well today considering how bad we’ve been before. With Mangold back, I expect that to only improve.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
It was an inspired effort for sure.
But lets see if he can do the same against a team that isn’t an injured worst defense in the league.
The bar is pretty low
when an 80 yard day from Greene and no runs more than 15 yards long gets this kind of rave reviews.
Well, I picked the wrong day to travel 4 hours one way to go to the game
But at least we were competitive
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john u forgot to mention ferguson round house kick it was pretty epic.
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
When I saw that All I saw was that he was down
I was like oh sweet jesus Noooooo!!!!
But then I saw him have a helmet on his foot and It was hilarious
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope we lose this week.
I hope the D keeps doing what it needs to and the offense continues to sink. We need a new OC and a new offensive system. Until that changes, we’re never going to be championship caliber. We’re going to be “almost” so long as Schotty is with us, it’s just that simple.
And...
It’s not that I want to lose, but the worst thing about making it to the AFC Championship game twice is that people say, “Well… he can’t be that bad.” When our has a bad day, it’s generally over for us. (See the Raiders game.) That’s WAY too much pressure to have on a defense all the time. It’s harder than it is for an offense.
People called me a troll when I said the Jets might go 9-7, or even 7-9, during the preseason. Just FYI.
Trollers keep on trolling
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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you aren't related to mike piazza, are you?
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Talking about this game and has happened to so far.
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Very Win-able Game.
I think thats the most frustrating thing.
I hate that I missed all those 1st quarter PI calls. The calls I saw from the second quarter on, very suspect. Revis call was bogus. Wilson call too close. Plaxs catch also looked good. With the calls we didnt get over way Im suprised we stayed in the game.
I take back everything I said about Greene. Well not everything. He sure can hit a hole when they give him one.
That big long drive they had was AWESOME. Thats what we have been missing. We just marched down the field. Imagine if that happened all the time. Our Defense would be even more amazing. Right now our defense works too hard.
Cro still wishy-washy. I dont care how long Brady had to throw. Cro should have been on Branch.
We gotta go one game at a time. Let beat the Fins
but wait
and u made some great points but how is he wishy washy when Brady had all day to throw its not fair to cro at all
Cro is making $8 million a year
Is it fair to expect him to be able to cover?
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Money versus production. Pretty much says it all.
He’s not a shut down corner, doesn’t tackle, and only have 5 INTs as a Jet in 19 games.
Actually 5 regular season INTs, he did get a post season one or two.
Still not worth even close to 8 mil
Revis only has one in over 20 games, he must suck.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
your right
vince wilfork is a better cb, because has 2
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yea
ur right john but it is humanly impossible to cover for to long its not his fault anyone who knows football who saw that play would agree i mean Brady had all day!
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 10, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
and all ya can hate on cro
but guess what he aint goin no where anytime soon so i suggest u learn to love em now cause he gonna be here for a while cause the coaches for sure love em
at this point
i wouldn’t rule out anything. i mean, the all caps and interesting nitpicks, you never know
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Don't know why but I find that really funny
Cro lurking around GGN. Poor guy would get his feelings hurt. Lol
Honestly
we only lost one more game than I expected so far this season. Things haven’t looked good, but our team has done this before. I am definitely not close to losing faith in this team.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
by bm01bath on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Gotta say, I'm not impressed at all by Plax
It’s not just rust, he’s really slow. He could not get out of a break on one slant. It’s like he’s got a fridge on his back. He’s not a deep threat, the team doesn’t really have a deep threat right now.
Let's put our cards on the table
First off, the biggest problem of this team is Schotty, plain and simple. This was clearly on display today when we couldn’t even put up 200 yards of passing against one of the lowest rated passing defenses in the league. Sanchez put up 70 yards in the air over the first 3 quarters. That’s pathetic against a struggling secondary and he had plenty of time. The problem is that not only is Schotty killing us on oiffense, his inability to script drives is hurting our defense by keeping them on the field too long. Why does almost every other team use the no-huddle to their advantage except the Jets? What will it take for Rex to read him the riot act?
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
If we don't change how we game plan offensively
I don’t see us making the playoffs.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 10, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be sad
I think even with Schotty we will win more than 6 wins (or should I say despite him).
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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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