Trade Deadline
With the trade deadline quickly approaching, and Tanny already making a move by sending Derrick Mason to Houston, we have to consider whether or not to to make anymore moves. Right now our team stands in flux, we're weak at many positions, we're affected by injuries, and now there seems to be a slight rift between the offense. It's easy to see that the offense has struggled mightily protecting the passer, making big plays, running the ball, and essentially living up to expectation.
Our defense is also failing to meet the high expectations that comes with a Rex Ryan run system. It's no secret that we have no pass-rush without a blitz of some sort. But this year a secondary problem has popped its head out to say hello. Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard are the same type of player, and because of it we struggle covering athletic TEs and plays up the middle. Part of this can be blamed upon the fact that we have put much less pressure on the quarterback than in recent years, giving him more time to go through his progressions and find his TEs and routes over the middle of the field.
To address this problem, I suggest taking a look at DE Robert Mathis of the Indianpolis Colts. According to Michael Lombardi of the NFL Network, with the playoffs out of the picture for the Colts, and Mathis a FA next year, he is available at the right price. That price he claims could potentially be a 3rd Rd pick. A 3rd Rd pick for a perennial pro-bowl, effective pass rusher makes my mouth water. The only problem I see with this is that Mathis isn't exactly young, being thirty. Because of this we would probably be giving up a 3rd RD pick for a 12 game lease (I don't see us signing a 30 yr old to a long extension). However you do have to look at the fact that Mathis would provide a much needed proven rusher up front. The only question for me is would he fit our system, is he too much of a three point rusher? Also, is it too much to give up for a 30 yr old? And, is it Kenrick Ellis/Ropati Pitoitua's time?
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Lombardi is talking about it too?
Last I heard it was only Schefter being a monkey. He also said send Wayne to the Bills. And you are wrong, even though he is a 30 year old guy, he can still produce for I’d say…. 2-3 years. That’s good enough for a 3rd to be worth it.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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He's getting older...
He’s already slowing down, and Clayton said the Colts are keeping Wayne and Mathis anyways.
Mathis is not slowing down
He’s averaging 5 QB disruptions a game.
I have reservations about such a trade, but one isn’t about how Mathis is playing right now.
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Not worth it
Unless we rework his contract once we get him. Getting 12 games out of him and giving up a third round pick is absurd. Also he would need to get used to a base 3-4 and a new team…just too much too soon. Maybe try to go after him in free agency, but a trade just doesn’t seem to make sense right now.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Oct 15, 2011 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
We'd be a 4-3 team with Mathis.
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Its not that easy not that you said it is
4-3 would be…
DE Wilkerson, DT Pouha, DT Devito, DE Mathis
Three LBs would be Westerman, Harris and Scott with Pace either to big or replacing Wilkerson.
Personel simply doesn’t fit.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We play a ton of 4-3 without Mathis as it is.
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Yes agreed. And when we do, a $8 mill LB like Pace or Scott plays rather than sits. Mathis would comprimise that "stat"
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Only he wouldn't
Pace would play DE as he frequently does.
We literally do this all the time. You’d just be subbing Mathis in for Wilkerson.
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I'd play Wilkerson over Pace at this point. Its not worth it.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way it works is if you have confidence that Mathis can play for Thomas/Westerman
And I don’t so I say no. DE is different than a 30 year old playing stand up OLB in a 3-4.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
who says he can't rush standing up.
And if he can’t, so what. Let him rush with his hand in the ground then. Ur making this into a bigger deal than it is.
by Crackback on Oct 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And who says he can play standing up? My only question is who are you gonna sit to play him?
And I don’t like the options.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you high?
Mathis is a 2x the pass rusher than anybody on the roster.
+1
Standing, hand on the ground, ass on the ground, Mathis is better than the others.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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High or realistic. Just tell me who is gonna sit?
by CervezaVerde on Oct 15, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well doesn't matter anyway
“No, the trade rumors aren’t true,” Irsay tweeted
by CervezaVerde on Oct 16, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
he's been saying that for days along with the rest of the colts
it was a Schefter theory of smart trades, he was thinking the Colts could reload for the next season hawking Wayne and Mathis.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Oct 16, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Though I don’t think a 3rd or 4th round pick is worth it for 10 games for a out of position DE playing situational LB in a system he doesn’t know.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 16, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
[Sigh]
Obviously, it would have to be a sign and trade. And obviously he’d be playing his natural position if he couldn’t play OLB.
But don’t be so quick to dismiss him as an OLB. As a smaller guy that relies on his quickness and athleticism, he might be even tougher to deal with if given a little more space to work with.
Oh sorry, its a sign and trade of another 30 year old guy
Who is smaller than any of our other LBs. We are crossing our fingers that without any camp or practice he can play OLB. But if he can’t play OLB, we can just change the whole defense mid season to suit the new guy.
Forgive me if that doesn’t sound smart.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin's Making Plays
and you want to cut him? I’m confused. I thought you liked Maybin. He caused two fumbles tonight. Even though both went out of bounds before the Jets could recover, he was hustling, making plays. Gruden talked about how far Maybin ran to make that tackle and strip that caused the first fumble.
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I think most people who like Maybin
would gladly sacrifice his roster spot for Mathis.
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This got me thinking
I wonder if there’s any way we could unload Pace and add a good pass rusher before Tuesday. I know it won’t happen, but it’d be good for the team in my opinion.
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NO
The Jets already have too many older players. They’re not going anywhere this season anyway. It would be a total waste of a draft pick that could be used to add that FS or RT the team needs for next season and going forward.
NO TRADES involving Jets draft picks!!!
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– Yefim Novikov
You're really down on the season.
I still 100% expect the playoffs this year
I Hope You're Right
but am not holding my breath. I’ll believe it when I see it. Even if they somehow wind up making the playoffs, I think they get bounced in the first round.
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Honestly...
I’d rather see them try to knab Jerry Hughes
I'd dangle a fourth
if we can’t get a nice bargain then screw it.
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Depends on the cost (both in terms of the pick and the contract)
But in a vacuum, hell yeah. Cut Maybin’s ass and make him the real DPR.
Like Crack said it always depends on price. Here's what I think.
Pros:
Much better pass rusher than anybody we’ve got now.
Still playing at a very high level.
Completely transforms the defense.
Cons:
Wrong side of 30.
Is a free agent so an extension will need to be in place once trade is completed.
I worry how good he’ll be without Freeney. A lot of his production comes from having another great pass rusher across from him. Mathis is a small dude. Can he really be productive facing double teams?
Has a rep for not performing in big games.
Neutral:
We’d become almost exclusively a 4-3 team.
Probably would do it for a fourth. Don’t see the Colts dealing him either way, though. As long as Manning is back for next season, they’re better off holding him to try and make another run then.
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Anyone think we should dangle an offer or a pick to the rams for Jason Smith?
He’s still young and while he hasn’t played amazing up to this point hes still better then what we have at RT. I’m not saying they would def deal him to us, but I have seen sources say they were unhappy with him. They did bench him last week because he picked up two unnecessary roughness penalties against the ravens.
He seems unhappy with his current 0-4 Rams team, and at 0-4 the rams should likely be looking to next year. If he could dangle a third round pick and either Vlad or Hunter. It might be a good deal for everyone.The biggest problem is he has a high salary because he was the number 2 overall pick, so unless he starts playing like a beast we would probably need to restructure his contract. This is another reason the Rams might want to deal him….if they can’t even control the player enough in the game not to pick up multiple unnecessary roughness penalties and feel they are at the point where they have to keep him on the bench they might as well flip him to us so he is not eating up their cap room on the bench and they can get someone who actually wants to play there.
This would give us a RT that is far better then what we have now and was basically projected to be a perennial pro-bowler if he played up to expectations. So he has a ton more potential. We do have all that extra cap room just laying around so we could easily absorb the rest of his salary this year and get him restructured for next year. Rex usually does a good job controlling guys with high emotions who play physically.
I just don't think much of Jason Smith
I’m sure he’d be an improvement, but not that much of one, and cost is a major concern.
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Yeah no way guy is getting paid like a good LT
pass on Smith
Jerry Huges is on the trading block acording to sources
He has potential to be a great 3-4 olb unfortuntly we have too many projects at OLB and dont see the Jets bringing him in
Where’d you hear that? I’d love to see what Rex could do with Hughes.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 16, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Make that move not now, but...
RIGHT NOW!!!
I'd favor him over most other projects
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Hooowwww have we not jumped on this.
Dude’s DYING to play on a team that lets him play in space.
by Exystence on Oct 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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