Handling of Offensive Coordinator Situation Might Define Rex Ryan's Tenure With the New York Jets
If you want one thing Bill Parcells did arguably better than any coach in NFL history, it was building a coaching staff. He surrounded himself with incredibly talented assistants every step of the way. The head coach can only do so much. He has to delegate authority. It is best to have good people handling the little things.
Look at the names he had in his four stops as a head coach. You have Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Tony Sparano, Todd Haley, Eric Mangini, Al Groh, and Sean Payton. These guys all of these guys eventually became head coaches either in the NFL or for a major college program. They had varying degrees of success. Even the guys who failed as head coaches got their chance in the first place for a single reason, though. They were fantastic assistants.
More after the jump.
The way two Parcells assistants handled assistant coach issues largely define their respective tenures as head coaches. There are a lot of parallels between Sean Payton and Rex Ryan. They both are considered gurus on their side of the ball. They are both more hands on for that side than the average head coach. They are largely coordinator/head coach types. Both had surprising early success that included trips to a conference title game.
Payton is an offensive coach. His second and third years in New Orleans, the team underachieved because of its defense. Payton had a 4th and a top ranked offense but missed the Playoffs two straight years because of a defense that ranked 26th and 23rd.
Payton knew he needed to make a change. He fired defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs. While there were other personnel moves, the biggest might have been his courtship of Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator.
Williams was a proven guy Payton knew he could trust to run the show. It is not true of every head coach, but Payton realized his ability to focus on his offense was part of what made him a good head coach. He needed somebody he could trust to give autonomy to running the defense. Williams had a track record of success as a defensive coordinator in Buffalo and was one year removed from a stint in Washington where he had three top ten defenses in four years. Payton took a paycut and used the money to entice Williams to join the Saints. Two years later, an improved Saints defense produced a Super Bowl winner and a 11 win season.
At the other end of the spectrum, Eric Mangini's run with the Jets got off to a promising start but was derailed in no small part because of his coordinators, particularly the defensive coordinator. Heading into the 2008 season, Mangini made an attempt to lure Rob Ryan to New York to replace Bob Sutton as defensive coordinator. Sutton had not done well in his two seasons with the team. In both preceding years, Mangini reportedly felt the need to get more involved with the defense during the season because things went so poorly. For some reason, Mangini decided his only two options were to either land Ryan or stick with what was not working. When Ryan proved unattainable, Mangini stuck by Sutton, whose defense failed to register a sack in a critical Week 15 game at Seattle despite the entire Seahawks starting offensive line being on injured reserve at that point.
Rex Ryan seems to be approaching a similar crossroads in his career. Like Payton, much of his value is generated from his work on one side of the ball. I have heard some say he should focus on the entire team, but he is one of the most brilliant defensive minds in the game. I want as much of his focus on the defense as possible.
The biggest problem on the team is on the offensive side of the ball. Brian Schottenheimer is simply not getting the job done. He has not been getting the job done for a long time. It is impossible to argue with merit that Mark Sanchez has looked like a total bust with the Jets. Total busts do not produce 95 passer ratings in 6 Playoff games. They do not lead 5 game winning drives in one season. Still, it is difficult to argue that Sanchez has developed as well as he should have. Should he not be further along? Should the offense not be further along with all the talent it has?
It is not like the offense was humming before Sanchez got to New York. He is the fourth different starting quarterback Schottenheimer has had with the Jets. One of the others was Chad Pennington, a very good player. Another was Brett Favre, who posted elite numbers both the year before and the year after he was coached by Schottenheimer. In five previous seasons, he has failed to produce even a top fifteen offense.
Sometimes we as fans can go overboard with emotion. I asked a friend who is a Rams fan his thoughts about Sunday's game. As a dispassionate observer, he gave me pretty much the same report I hear from Jets fans. He did not understand the play calling. He thought the Jets should have attacked down the field more. He did not understand why they did not use Plaxico Burress' size more. He saw some routes where it looked like every receiver was running four yards. There were no adjustments. To play Devil's Advocate, I asked him about Mark Sanchez. This friend said he thought it was tough to blame the quarterback given the play calling.
There seem to be fundamental issues with Schottenheimer's approach. There are times where it feels like there is no rhyme or reason to the way he does things. A good coach looks at his talent, determines his strengths, and figures out how to build on them. When he arrived in New York in 2009, Rex Ryan decided he was going to install an attacking defense. He was going to blitz like crazy, force you to figure out his exotic looks. You were probably going to need to leave in extra blockers, taking away receivers. Of the remaining receivers, the Jets were going to use Darrelle Revis to take away the best. There is no such obvious philosophy with the Jets.
It feels like the Jets are running a different offense every week. One week, they are trying to get to the edge with bootlegs, moving pockets, and outside runs. Another week they are passing from the pocket. Another week they are a run first team.
Let us talk about adjustments too. How many games in the past two years have defenses been jumping everything short without the Jets trying to make them pay by having a receiver run a double move?
How about making good use of his talent? You sign Plaxico Burress, who is a big target great at winning balls in the air down the field. How frequently have the Jets tried to exploit this? How many weeks is Dustin Keller not featured in the passing game even though he is too big for safeties and too fast for linebackers to cover?
We are just at the tip of the iceberg here. Schottenheimer does not scheme to his strengths. There are times it does not even appear he knows what his strengths are like on the end arounds to his slowest receiver, Jerricho Cotchery, last year. We get a lot of subtle, useless tweaks like all the times Santonio Holmes faked an end around on a handoff last week. Sometimes an offense fails when there is a logical flow. Schottenheimer certainly has his moments where he has been effective in the areas I have mentioned above. They have come infrequently, though. Even more disturbing, it is frequently difficult to see how Schottenheimer gets from point A to point B in his thought process designing the offense. One week Mark Sanchez has to call every play based on what he sees at the line. Later in the season, he cannot even change a play if he notices something.
Rex Ryan has built up a lot of good will among Jets fans. Even Mike Francesa admitted earlier this week that Ryan has the Jets ahead of schedule early in his tenure. There will always be some knee jerk reactionaries, but I think most Jets fans will give him a pass if this one season ends in disappointment. That is a conditional pass, though. He must recognize the problems on offense and correct them. Some say his public support of Schottenheimer indicates he is blind. I disagree. He has to express confidence. Unless he is going to fire Schotty today, anything less than a full throated endorsement will create a major story. Like Mangini, he has felt forced for a third time in three year to become more active in dictating what he wants from his offense. That is telling. If Brian Schottenheimer is the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets Week 1 in the 2012 season, Rex will for the first time start to lose a large chunk of the fan base.
There is room to make a change in season. I am usually against in season coaching changes unless at least one of three conditions exist. The first is the players have totally lost faith in the coach. The second is if somebody on the staff could conceivably take over and right the ship. The third is if a potential long term replacment is on the staff and could benefit from a tryout with an interim tag. At this point, one could argue all three conditions exist for the Jets. The wide receiver/Derrick Mason episode suggests problems. There are no less than two proven, successful NFL offensive coordinators employed by the Jets, Tom Moore and Bill Callahan. Moore might not want to give up a cushy consulting job for the grind of game planning, but Callahan will be coaching for a long time.
No matter what happens, the Jets need to reassess where they are at the end of this season. Schottenheimer's contract is up. Ownership seemed to strongly suggest Ryan keep him on when Rex was hired. He did so. There are times to submit to public opinion and times to shape it. Woody Johnson has a lot of faith in Rex Ryan. If Rex thinks a change needs to be made, Woody will listen. If Rex does not, a lot of fans will start to question whether he really has the judgment it takes to take the team all the way.
Ryan's focus on defense means his offensive coordinator will have a lot of autonomy. The Jets need a proven guy with a track record of success for the job he knows will be able to handle it. This is not a spot for on the job training. Ryan seeing it as necessary to get more involved three straight years indicates Schotty is not that guy. The most important move over the next few months the team will make will be at this position, not right tackle or safety. If Ryan finds the right guy like Payton did, the sky is the limit. If he does not properly address the problem like Mangini, he might well eventually meet a similar fate.
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this same OC helped take mark and the rest of our offense to two straight AFC championship games Rex likes Brian. this guy aint going nowhere unless he gets a head coaching job. sometimes u gotta put blame on the players too as they have been unable to execute. its a two way street but i believe it can be fixed and i believe that Brian is the guy for the job. oh and by the way when posted great numbers after he left here because he went back to an offense he had been running for 15 seasons
You've gotta be effin' kidding me
If you’re suggesting anything other than that he’s been piggybacked these past two years, you’re blind. Even if it’s the players not properly executing his brilliant schemes, if they’ve been not properly executing them for SIX YEARS now, you’re not a good coach. He’s got to go.
There's a reason Sanchez got to play hero in those late game drives last year...
Against teams like Cleveland, Denver, Houston… our piss poor offense that should have put the game away. Oh yeah, and what about Minnesota? 5 field goals. FIVE. Why? Our red zone offense sucked, much like our first quarter offense.
Yes, you have to blame the players sometimes, but historically it’s been the players combined with Sanchez running a great two minute drill that’s bailed Schotty out. When an offense consistently sucks, the OC gets the blame first.
Look no further than (here it comes again) San Francisco right now. The same inconsistent QB they’ve had on and off for years is suddenly lighting it up. Why? Jim Harbaugh, unlike Schotty, actually knows how to run an offense.
And by the way, GREAT article John. You articulated a lot of what I’ve felt about how Ryan is going to be affected by Schotty better than I’ve managed to.
I’m actually hoping we lose a few more down the stretch. When you look like you’re in free fall one of the coordinators usually gets to fall on his own sword. It ain’t gonna be Pettine or Westoff either. Our defense may be able to carry us to the AFC Championship game, but there’s not way we take the next step with the guy running our offense. He needs to go.
Although I disagree with some of your points,
I think you make a valid point about players being responsible for some of it.
And while I disagree with your opinion that you think Brian is the guy for the job, kudos to you for saying it.
I think he CAN run an offense, but not this offense.
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by CharlieIsles on Oct 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You Gotta Take Off the Homer Sunglasses
Yes, the players get blame too, but the bottom line is that BS is responsible for how his players play. He doesn’t get a pass when they don’t execute properly. It cannot be fixed and he most definitely is NOT the man for the job. He has never developed one QB and never produced a top 10 offense. There are too many important aspects of his job at which he fails miserably, and which one cannot blame on anyone else but him.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Getting his players to execute IS HIS JOB!!!
Putting them in position to succeed IS HIS JOB. There is such a thing as good plays and bad plays. Good rhythm and flow, and a disjointed mess.
How often have you seen this offense get rolling and really put it on an opponent that wasn’t already terrible to begin with?
The guy botched a game where his offense rushed (RUSHED) for 300 freakin yards!!!
This is 100% Cromartie's fault!
I just wanted to get your attention. I haven’t read the responses to this comment, but I’m guessing they explain how inconsistant this offense has been and how this team has been lead by a top flight offense. They might also point out your hypocritical comment about Brian helping us to two straight AFC Champ games with rushing based teams but excusing him from the San Diego shortcomings for the same reason the Jets were successful. All and all it is a team game and the blame should be spread but Shotty is a terrible OC with this personnel, the body of work speaks for itself.
So if.............
We get to a 3rd AFC Championship and lose then what? You have to want to make your team better every year I want them to atleast go to the Superbowl and lose!! Dungy couldnt get it done in Tampa Gruden came in and took them to the SB even though Dungy was on the verge some people cant get the team over that hump
Heck if we made the playoffs this year,
this guy would hold onto that to defend Shotty with it. “B, Bu, But we made the playoffs 3 years in a row…rabble, rabble, rabble…”
And that's just the problem...
We’re “almost.” Rex Ryan is good enough at what he does that he gets us most of the way there. Until Schotty’s gone we’re gonna be the team of woulda, coulda, shoulda.
But acknowledge...
Schotty just isnt the guy for the jets. I think in those playoff games, and most would agree from what ive read, that the chains were taken off of sancez and they were allowed to go and compete. Watching brian micro manage the offense into last place has to stop, we have the weapons, the skill set and know how to be on top the afc east. But the past few years we barely eek into the post season, where the ideology obviously takes on a different form and the jets truely unleash their talents. If we get rid of schotty, i would bet serious money that the jets would dramatically improve, given we dont bring in someone as dumb founding as schotty
Crazy dumb plays
In the playoffs I was wondering what the hell was he thinking!! The last game why the hell are we doing play action in a obvious passing play just go into shotgun and pass the darn ball
You forget a good coach gets his players to execute
Case in point Rex Ryan, the defense under Mangini was middle of the pack. Rex comes in and with basically the same personnel, become the number 1 defense in the league Rex’s first year. Did the players all of a sudden execute better on their own? No, they went from a mediocre coach to a great coach which put them in situations to succeed and got them to execute.
With BS, we have a mediocre coach and we have a mediocre and sometimes bad offense to show for it.
It is time for a change. we need to get a coordinator that understands designing an offense around his players and not having his players fit a system.
Are you kidding?
We made the playoffs IN SPITE of Schoddy’s crap offense, not because of it. The defense has carried this team for the last two years and everyone who actually pays attention can see that.
by struckanerve9 on Oct 14, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to add
QB Coach Matt Cavanaugh was a Super Bowl winning OC for Baltimore.
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Yeah but that's kinda like saying
Mark Brunell was a Super Bowl-winning QB for New Orleans.
Or that Cav is a Super-Bowl winning QB for the Giants. lol
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Baltimore’s D won that SB. The offense just stayed out of the way and tried to prevent from messing it up. That offense was awful. IMO Cavanaugh has proven that he can neither play nor coach in the NFL. He’s had 2+ years with Sanchez, and Sanchez is still making too many mistakes.
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I understand, and he was replaced by the head coach of the team they beat for that SB win. If he was the OC, then I guess he can help get the squad stay out of the way.
But really, all I meant by my comment is that apart from Tom Moore and Bill Callahan whom John B. mentioned, Cav also has some experience at OC. Just adding to the list.
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What about Jim Zorn as a QB coach?
He did good things with Flacco last year and I could be wrong but I don’t believe he has a job.
At the very least, Rex should ask one of these other guys to play call at least one game this season just to test the theory.
That would cause some kinda mutiny from Schottenheimer
I mean don’t get me wrong I’d love for him to suggest it because in the end the result is Schotty’s gone, but it’s completely unrealistic y’know lol
Generally, that is how a change starts. The OC gets his playcalling taken away for a bit.
Its happened many times to many OCs.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but usually it's the HC that takes over the playcalling right?
I could be totally wrong about that, but to hand it over to another assistant seems like a slap in the face to me.
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One of, it not your best post I’ve seen, John B. The only thing I can disagree with is your last paragraph. Of course, a proven guy is preferable, but what if one isn’t available? Does that mean that BS stays? No, I think he has to go regardless. Hopefully, Rex will identify someone that he wants to hire that is proven and that man will take the job. If not, then I think they may have to go with a collegiate OC or even an NFL offensive position coach who Rex thinks has potential.
The system is broken. There are just too many flaws in BS’s approach and handling of the position. A new system needs to be brought in that is geared to the strengths of the players on hand and which takes advantages of mismatches.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
The only thing I can disagree with is your last paragraph. Of course, a proven guy is preferable, but what if one isn’t available? Does that mean that BS stays?
What I’m getting at is they need to identify their Gregg Williams and not take no for an answer.
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Thanks for the clarification. I just hope it can happen. As you know, those things don’t always happen. The coach has to be willing to go to work for the Jets and either be out of work or his old team be willing to let him go. Often they are not. Even if they are, would Woody and Tanny be willing to shell out a lot of $s or possibly a draft pick or two to make it happen?
If not, I think they have to make a change anyway. At this point I think they have to try something else going forward in 2012. It can’t be any worse than it is now.
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We've got Bill Callahan in house
He’s very qualified and he’s already the assistant HC too. We refused to let him interview elsewhere for a reason, right?
Personally I’d love to bring in Tom Clements from the Packers as the OC but that wouldn’t happen until next season at least.
I'd Have No Problem
if the reins of the offense were taken away from Schitty and given to Callahan for the rest of the season. That could be his audition for the job.
In fact, I’d prefer it, but just don’t see it happening.
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Well, he was the OC with the Bills from '04-'05
In ‘04, the Bills’ offense was pretty good. They were definitely helped by an awesome defense that year, but considering the talent he had, i.e. a 32 year old Drew Bledsoe throwing to Eric Moulds past his prime and Lee Evans before his prime, handing off to sorta-rookie Willis McGahee (who had arguably his best year that year!) and Travis Henry in the midst of his… erm… problems, Clements did a pretty good job. In ‘05, with the terrifying combination of J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb at QB, they did pretty bad. In fact, Clements had playcalling duties stripped of him some time that season. As far as schemes, I have no idea. They seemed to be more of a rushing team when he was there, but that’s understandable given who they had at QB.
But even given that, I’m all for him for two reasons: 1) He’s been working under Mike McCarthy for several years now who I believe is tied with Sean Payton as the best offensive mind in the game right now; and 2) His work with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn. I know that Mike McCarthy probably deserves the majority of the credit for that with that QB school thing he does, but Clements takes part in that thing too. Packers fans seem to put a lot of stock into him.
Basically I’m just hoping that Clements has a lot of McCarthy rub off on him >_>
That would fantastic if it did
So I’m guessing that he would run a version of the WC. Works for me:)
The WC is incorporated into nearly every offensive system now. It’s very rare to find a true WC system, because it’s easier to incorporate into other things than the other way around. In any case, a heavy WC system would not be good for Sanchez. It is completely based on short accurate timing throws, of which Sanchez is terrible at. We would be better to revert to 2009 form with mostly running plays, and when Sanchez has to throw it, get him out on the play-action and on the move. He throws best deep and when he’s rolling out. Sticking in the pocket on short out-routes and curl routes are not what’s best for Sanchez’s skill-set.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 14, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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for what it’s worth Clements was a CFL legend here in Canada…and he played on some bad teams and still put up great numbers. As for what kind of OC he might be…I think he’d be a breath of fresh air around Florham Park……he’d be great if they could get him……just my 2 cents….and I did see him play in the CFL………he’s a football icon here in Canada
Great point about the fake end arounds
I’ve been saying it forever now. It seems like half of our runs this year have faked an end around. First of all, none of our receivers are fast or elusive enough to be a serious threat on an end around. Second, we NEVER give it to the guy coming around (unless its Cromartie, which is even worse). If everyone knows we aren’t giving it to him, and if everyone knows he won’t go anywhere even if we did give it to him, then why bother? Instead run the ball outside, which is where we run it most effectively, and use our good WR blocking.
great post
I’m hoping against hope that we let Cally take over at the bye-week.
by Crackback on Oct 13, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Excellent Post! One of the best I've read!
Like Plaxico said earlier this week, it’s a performance driven game. Anyway you slice it, Schottenheimer has not performed. Given the talent, there is no excuse for our struggles on the offensive side of the ball. I have long been a defender of Schottenheimer but I am no longer. I’m not one for mid-season changes but I think its time Callahan took over.
I find it really interesting that you brought up Payton and ex. DC Gibbs
In Payton’s book he says that Gibbs is a close friend of his and it was hard to let him go because of that, but you have to sacrifice friendship for winning. Maybe that’s what Rex has to do, friendship can’t get in the way winning.
Rex fired a longtime friend in his rookie year as head coach. Kerry Locklin was the DL coach at the time, and he and Rex have a history together. Rex wasn’t afraid to let him go in the middle of the season when there were constant substitution problems.
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I feel like the Jets need a proven QB developer at OC...
…if they wish to continue with Sanchez. Someone who knows how to cater the offense to the skills of the QB and groom him over the course of the season, instead of limiting the QB and not telling him whether he’ll be riding his bike with or without training wheels.
I actually don’t think Schotty’s problem is with his coaching ability. I think it’s with his ability to be an effective COORDINATOR. He can’t game plan, he can’t evaluate his players strengths, he can’t adjust in-game…the list goes on and on.
by struckanerve9 on Oct 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice job John B, can't say I disagree with any of that.
Maybe by the beginning of week 8 we’ll have all the people who disagree come around along with the front office so week can get at least two weeks to tweak the gameplan with a new OC or play caller.
Totally agree...
…but as sick as I am of Schotty these past few weeks, some blame has to go to Tanny (and Rex to the extent he influences picking personnel). In each of Sanchise’s 3 years, he’s had 3 almost completely different sets of receivers he’s had to throw to. Pass protection and run blocking has steadily degraded due to changes on the O-line (or lack thereof). And, as you mentioned, Schotty’s had 4 different QBs in his tenure to develop an offense around. As bad as Schotty has been, the front office isn’t making things any easier.
Sometimes I feel like Tanny prefers to go for the big headline moves (because big headlines get you instant credit as a GM) rather than address glaring needs that are otherwise dull or boring (e.g., the O-line). Way too much time was wasted on Asomugha….why, when you already have arguably the the best CB tandem in football and your O-line is deteriorating? Sanchez is taking a beating because of that strategy now when Tanny’s number one job should have been protecting his franchise player (and not getting rid of J-Co, but that’s another story….)
Schotty’s bad, no doubt, but Tanny should be taking more heat right now than he is.
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i here all of u but greg williams was fired several times and he won the super bowl not because he had a great defense but because they were good at getting take aways ever since then there defense has been lame. second some of ya’ll bring up callahan the same guy that got fired in Oakland and then got fired from Wisconson the position that he is in suits him well. and Brian is the man for the job now i aint saying he is perfect cause he has made his fair share of mistakes but this man knows offense period and everyone around the league knows that of him. players gotta execute and i know that will fall on the OC but lets be real, Brian cant make accurate throws for mark, he cant catch the passes for the receivers or get open for them, he cant pass protect and run block either. and lets not forget he has had to deal with a revolving door on offense. its like every year he has a brand knew set of receivers or new linemen or a couple of years back new QBs. he never had true continuity remember that. and he rex likes em
ever since then there defense has been lame
The Saints were the number four defense in the league last year.
callahan the same guy that got fired in Oakland and then got fired from Wisconson the position that he is in suits him well.
Callahan was the head coach of the Raiders. He was the head coach of Nebraska. He was not the head coach of Wisconsin. You talk about him being in the right spot, but those jobs he was fired from are completely different from NFL offensive coordinator. Nobody is proposing making him head coach of the Jets (or moving the Jets from the NFL to the Big XII).
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yea ok relax
it was nebraska great they were the same colors so i get confused sometimes and yea i know he was a head coach in both places, but like coach payton wasnt he known for his offense? if he being a offensive head coach and cant keep that job what makes u think he would be a good OC and yea that 4th ranked sure did there think in Seattle in the playoffs
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You're losing me.
First off, you’re very keen on telling people they don’t know what they’re talking about so don’t mix up Nebraska and Wisconsin and expect to not hear about it.
Being a head coach in the Big XII is completely different from being an OC in the NFL. And his defense in Nebraska was probably the biggest reason he got fired at Nebraska.
Seattle in the Playoffs? One game makes him a bad coordinator? Are you saying they should have kept the other guy?
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I think this guy is drunk…you’re efforts are better spent elsewhere. But I have to agree…I don’t think Callahan is the answer. Not sure who is, but at a minimum we need some continuity on offense, no?
If you think D'Brick was as bad a Ducasse
you’re drunk.
i never said he was as bad read my comment again will ya
but he was bad and he played for virginia
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they should not even be mentioned together in the same thought
Ducasse has had to learn 4 or 5 positions because HE IS NOT GOOD AT ANY ONE OF THEM. It’s not his fault Sanchez is taking a beating (except that he is not good enough to play, so maybe it IS his fault), but my point is that the O-line is deteriorating and there were players to be had in the offseason to shore it up, even if temporarily. Sanchez is our franchise player, that has to be Tanny’s first priority.
um dude
he is learning these positions cause we already have a great set of starters so if he gonna be a backup then he gotta learn several positions and for a young guy that aint easy and the o-line is not breaking down its just getting younger and all they need is time and experience. and bad is bad it dont matter where u mention it
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.....
….not sure that we picked up Ducasse in the second round to be some sort of multi-positional/hybrid backup. I thought he was supposed to be a starter and the future of this “young” offensive line you keep talking about. Are Wayne Hunter or Brandon Moore young? Not in football years. I’d rather they getter “better” at O-line rather than “younger” anyway. What good is “young” if you don’t know how to block?
so
ur telling that he was gonna beat out Brandon Moore? and wayne hunter is starting cause if u remember there was a lockout so we went with the experienced guy. and yea u do go young so u can coach them up so that in the near future they will be great and be starters cause like we got the best o-line coach there is
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the point
He’s not going to beat out anyone…ever. Because he sucks. You go young if a player has talent and potential. Ducasse has neither. Hunter was a mistake too. If you’re going to let Woody walk, you better get someone to fill his shoes. Hunter and Ducasse COMBINED don’t come close to doing that. Granted Turner was supposed to help out and went down, but if you’re O-line hinges on Turner, Hunter and Ducasse…you messed up big time.
Plus
This is a Super Bowl or bust year….why would you want to go “younger” this year when what you need is experience??? Also, every team had a lockout, not just the Jets…deal with it.
um
he didnt beat them out cause the guys ahead of him are pretty good and yes u wanna win now but u also wanna win in the future as well
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
except it’s not because it has no bearing on whether Ducasse is any good. He’s not. And Hunter’s not that good anway. The only reason Ducasse has played at all is because he was such a high pick.
Are you related to this guy or something? What have you seen from him that makes you think he’s going to be good? He is seriously the Gholston of the O-line. He’s actually worse than that because he makes everyone around him play worse. And he makes every fan want to kill themselves.
Seeing Vlad on the line
Makes me want to throw up, because I just know he’s gonna get Sanchez lit up, he’s awful.
This
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 13, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Why are so many Jets fans convinced it’s Super Bowl or Bust? This is a young, talented team with a third year qb, rb, and HC. While I hate as much as any Jets fan to call it a “rebuilding” year, all fail to see any reason to panic if we struggle. We lost three road games to 3 probable division winners – who here honestly expected to win more than one of those games?
Long Term
I don’t think Callahan is the answer, but for the remainder of this season, I think he’s better than Schitty.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
first off other then one time and i took it back
when have i EVER SAID THAT PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT N YES JOHN PEOPLE DO GET WISCONSIN AND NEBRASKA MIXED UP SOMETIMES. yea being a head is different is from being an oc but when ur expertise is offense and u still get fired from the pros and college thats a problem ( and Nebraska has never had a great offense they just run the ball even when he was there) and one other thing u know Greg Williams was always a good DC but y was he always getting fired cause the team he play dont win but Brian is a winner so he is staying and yes im attacking him for that Seattle game and funny thing it wasnt even his fault THE PLAYERS AINT EXECUTE and Brian goes through sometimes. oh by the way where was New Orleans defense ranked his first year there and where is it ranked now like this season just wanna know
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting fired by Al Davis should never effect how anyone is seen
Plus, he was OC there and got promoted to HC before getting fired. So he did have a bit of a run with them.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yet
he still got fired and al davis u say then y was he not given another chance to be a OC in the NFL then
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He will soon I think. He was blocked by Rex from interviewing in Tenn.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you got me there
I don't know what to say.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Was this before they hired Munchak(sp?)
Sounds like Rex was keeping a safety valve in case Schotty struggled yet again.
No, sorry Munchak is HC that wanted to interview Callahan for OC
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Um…now why is Schotty still our OC again? And if Callahan does become our OC what offense will he be running?
Who knows
Every offense now shares aspects of the others. I don’t think there is such a thing anymore as say, a west coast offense. Its all muddy now.
by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Being fired as a coach means nothing. Belichik was fired from Cleveland. He must be terrible.
Also Callahan took the Raiders to the Super Bowl and got really unlucky facing Gruden in the Super Bowl. Gruden knew everything about the Raiders and just took it to them. Also as an OC, he would have took them to another Super Bowl if it weren’t for the stupid tuck rule.
So he’s way more accomplished than BS is.
for the most who ever did this post has no idea what they r talking about
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yea and i took it back
now post when i said that
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 13, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point
As a Jet’s fan living in NO, I had a conversation with my Saint’s fan friends the other day about how overrated Gregg Williams is. He had one good year due to turnovers and defensive points and in the past 2 seasons the Saints have only won based on their high octane offense while their defense got mauled. Everyone here is sick of hearing Williams called a defensive “genius” and “guru”
I know
Rex is clueless on offense. But im watching to see his moves in coming days. Is he gonna think everything is okay if he beats the Dolphins. Even if we get a couple of wins and the offense plays good in a few games. Does that solve the offensive woes? I still dont think so.
and another thing
or o-line is fine so stop getting on tanny. look yea they have played bad at times this year but this is the same o-line that was once regarded as the NFL’s best. they will get it fixed. wayne is playing alot better and i can see why the jets like him so much. now about the depth what i think the jets are doing is building for the future with these young guys they r bring in. Vlad is gonna be really good one day i believe that. i mean this guy has to learn 4 out 5 five positions on the o-line and that aint easy and he is still a young player and is still new to the game so give the guy time thats all he needs is time. look at d’ brick it took him three years before he starting showing y he is a top five pick and he has been playing football all his life and i know cause we are from the same town and i saw him play all the time and i know him. the other young guys need time too so trust what the jets are doing they will never try to hurt the team.
D'Brick was NEVER even REMOTELY as bad as Ducasse
Ducasse literally just stands there sometimes totally lost. O-line has been neglected, plain and simple…just ask Sanchez’s broken nose.
The sad thing is, the Jets' season will have to end badly
in order for BS to get fired. If they get into the playoffs for the 3rd consecutive year, Rex and the FO have an excuse to keep him. If they fail miserably, let’s say a 5 or 6 win season, I don’t see him coming back.
and that will never happen
and second mark’s nose is fine and last i check that was not ducasses fault and yes brick was bad in his early years and the only thing he had to do was play left tackle
Sanchez
Remember last year on Hard Knocks, Snachez led two TD drives calling plays. Schotty is pathetic
I remember that. That was a good scene.
It’s amazing how one man can make something seem so hard. He is pathetic.
I remember that too
He made it seem so easy.
I know, right
Which is a huge contrast to Schotty, who is over there on the sideline like he’s performing brain surgery, struggling to call something that will get the team a first down. Ridiculous.
Sorry
Long time reader, first time poster. To clarify I was responding to Emmanuel Agu’s post about Gregg Williams above
Great post John
Sometimes you write just wonderful stuff. Thoughtful, full of perspective. And this is one of those.
Can’t find the stat, but heard it on WFAN the other day. Sanchez I believe throws more than 80% of his passes in the “short” zone – was the number 83%? Leading the league in this dubious characteristic. What kind of crazy pairs a slow, bruising running back with a short, short passing game so that the defense only has to defend the first 15 yards from scrimmage?
You wonder why we can’t take advantage of weak secondaries? It is because they only have to defend in a 15 yard bubble.
*it was pointed out that Brady passes in the 70s for the short zone, but throws a much greater number of passes, with a very different offense and receiver set. Brady is the top rated QB in the league (FO, DYAR), Sanchez in the hands of Schottenheimer 23rd.
I want Mike Leach!!
Leach is as big a personality in his own way as Rex. He is extremely innovative and would definitely instill the same type of swagger on offense that Rex and Mike Pettine give to the defense. The practices alone would be worth the price of admission.
Mike Leach is far and away my first choice for OC.
America #1
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 14, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love it.
If nothing else, he seems just crazy enough to be the perfect fit. Although… the dude loves the spread. I wonder how well he’d adapt to pro or if it’d be like Steve Spurrier who thought he could just bring the spread to pro and have it work like magic.
The Air Raid is, in my opinion, a great fit for Sanchez. It relies heavily on spreading the field, a two-minute hurry up style of attacking defense, and requires very few plays. Most of the plays are called at the line of scrimmage, which works well for Sanchez.
America #1
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 14, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It'd be interesting for sure.
I’d hire Mike Leach based purely on his history and story of getting into football.
The offense could use some swagger
We’ve been offensively neglected for so long, it would be nice to feel confident in the offense KNOWING that they have a plan. Not just feeling the defense out as Schotty often does.
That may be what he’s doing, because it would explain the painfully inept performance of the offense at the start of games. The guy is so incompetent you could go on for hours with reasons to fire him.
This is an ominous post and it completely rings true. We could realistically lose a talented defensive mind in Rex if he stubbornly supports the most glaring deficiency on this team. Because a poorly managed offense combined with a handcuffed QB, who is trying to develop and not extremely accurate to begin with, is not going to deliver us a Championship even if the defense was playing better. Which they might if they weren’t on the field the whole game.
by nationalist88 on Oct 13, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that this article
is the most well written thing I have seen in a very long time here.
I often wonder the what-ifs. Schottenheimer had been reported linked to interviews for head coaching gigs. I think he is a bright mind, but I think he lacks something, and Rex can’t help that.
I believe that Brian isn’t the best fit, but Rex believes in his guys, almost to a fault. Ground and pound versus an experimental, but bright OC. Time will tell if Sanchez is a good QB or just average who shows up in big games. He is still young and fairly raw.
One has to wonder if Tom Moore has had any influence. Is Tom Moore that good or did Peyton make his job just that easy.
And I still stand by I think that Mike T has been much to aggressive in his approach and we need to do more building from within.
JOB OFFERS
Who is out there that can take schotty’s job????
Depends...
Are you looking for someone who can reasonably lead us to a championship or just someone better than Schotty? If it’s the latter… half the football fans in the tri-state area would do it and do it for WAY cheaper.
Let's go eat a fuckin Snack!
Rex is a winner and we love him! We are finally relevant again so lets calm down and realize we have a solid team built for a full season. Sanchez has shown he gets better as the season goes, and excels in the playoffs.
Rex can help Brian. Rex screwed up in Baltimore. The kid should have been sitting in the shotgun (ala Brady) when the Ravens were jumping the line. I put that on Rex to not react for Brian and Mark, come on Rex, you taught the Ravens how to do that!
Get creative, throw the fucking ball down the field, play like a Jet and lets’ go eat a fucking snack!
Go JETS!
YEAH! LET’S GO OCCUPY FLORHAM PARK UNTIL THEY KICK SCHOTTENHEIMER OUT ON THE STREET!
Seriously though, fantastic article John. One of my favorites of yours.
America #1
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 14, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
My only other worry...
Is that when Ryan decides to go “ground and pound” for the sake of “ground and pound” he starts to sound like Mike Singletary. There’s another guy who let a crap offensive coordinator stick around for WAY too long.
Its one thing to have to start over with a completely different system
…midseason because you fire the OC…
Its another when you have a proven coach in your staff who knows your system and can take over while not drastically changing things in Callahan.
Rex needs to face the facts and make the switch ASAP.
Heck, keep Schotty as the Oline coach if you can’t find a replacement for Callahan. Just do it.

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