Is Kyle Wilson Better Than Antonio Cromartie?
I had a thought yesterday. I think Kyle Wilson might be a better cornerback than Antonio Cromartie at this point.
In this season, Wilson has shown more willingness to get physical. He has better instincts and ball skills. Cromartie is and always has been guy with big size, blazing speed and marginal skills everywhere else. His first instinct the second a receiver gains an edge seems to be to grab the receiver. He is a great athlete who happens to play cornerback. Running down the field step for step with a vertical threat, I would probably take Cromartie. Against any other kind of receiver, I would probably take Wilson at this point.
I doubt Wilson will get a starting job over Cromartie since Cro just signed a new contract. One could argue that contract was not a mistake as the Jets need as many good cover guys as they can find given the propensity of the coaching staff to blitz and the struggles to find a pass rusher.
What do you think?
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Honestly Yes, Agree with you 100%
I would bet if Wilson was on the outside, he’d do alot better job than Cro. And for the reasons you said, he won’t start
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
Too
early to say in Wilson career, but he has definitely improved.
This is what it sounds like When Doves Cry- Prince
Too early to say.
but if it is true I’d love to see him get a shot at 2nd CB as long as we have a suitable slot CB. As for Cromartie, secretly dangle him and no one bites I say in the next offseason have him take reps at Safety.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
assuming Wilson is capable of being a CB 2
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
by Noble_Lance on Oct 11, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
No one will bite
maybe if his salary was substantially lower. Our chance to get rid of him was this FA.
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i'm just glad we didn't get Nmadi
the eagles overpaid for a hyped player who’s not doing anything. “Nnamdi is human” is not a good response for the 60million dollar man.
It's not Nmamdi
It’s the defensive scheme. His whole career, Nmamdi has been told to lock down this guy, lock down that guy without any help. He has done that without a problem. The Eagles are misusing him. They are having him in zone coverage too much. The Eagles should have him in man coverage 90% of the time, even if there are other players in zone coverage. Of course if people are arguing that he is better than Revis, he should be great in zone coverage. But he’s just not… and that is the first reason that Revis is better. They also might be able to play more man coverage if their linebackers weren’t so bad and undersized and could cover receivers (including rb’s and te’s) better one on one. If they can address this issue in next year’s draft, or through free agency… oh boy.
Actually, the Raiders played lots of zone with Asomugha. Nmamdi was never asked to do what Revis does. Asomugha has been exposed this year because he is no longer clearly the most feared db on his team. People are actually throwing his way, and while I honestly never thought I’d say this, turns out he just might have been a bit overrated.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Oct 12, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how you define better
If better is being more physical, covering your receivers better, not drawing stupid penalties (both fair and not), not running your mouth to the best QB in the league and then getting badly burned, not being afraid of contact, not being grossly overpaid, and not being an all-around liability; then yes, Kyle Wilson is the better CB.
With all of that said I can see how people would think I hate Cro or an unfair to him. That’s not the case at all, I sing his praises when he earns it. Simply put, I like Cro when he plays well and I hate him when he plays poorly.
I am happy we got him instead of Nnamdi, but there was a serious majority of people who, even after this week, have been saying Cro is great and people are crazy for being detractors. My answer to them is to WATCH THE F__KING GAMES, especially this season.
Cro’s upside is as amazing as his downside is deplorable. When he plays to his abilities there is no greater #2. When he doesn’t, he’s the worst player in the secondary. If you have to guess which player you’re going to see every game, they’re not a great player. That’s the definition of mediocre. FO manufactures the “burn rate” stat which Cro had 1 good year at (his contract year) and all of the sudden in spite of his playing habits he’s the greatest CB in the NFL behind Revis. I don’t think so.
Cro’s tenure in SD was deplorable. Watch some game tape of one of the few seasons where he was starting for them. With us he’s been nothing but feast or famine.
Bottom line is I just don’t see where or how Cro earned his place in the league. Call me a hater all you want. I can’t believe people were supporting him in the post-game threads, that’s like rooting for a horse that had to get put down on the track. He played AWFUL. He’s BEEN playing awful.
Please don’t cite the fact that Cro has 3 interceptions to me. It’s because 1.he’s playing off his assignment or 2.QB’s take more dangerous throws on him because they know they can likely complete them. Lowery was a bit of a ball hawk too but that didn’t make everyone automatically overlook his shortcomings. I’d take better coverage and all around play than picks any day. We’re supposed to rely on a shutdown secondary, not turnovers (although it’s hard to complain about getting the ball back).
It’s awfully easy to make fun of the Eagles for grossly overpaying a hyped player who’s not living up to his paycheck, what about us?
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if cro continue to suck and kyle takes the #2 spot should we move cro to free safety?
If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?
~ Vince Lombardi
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Oct 11, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
I'm in favor of this
He’d only be marginally more useless in run stopping than Carrie Rhodes was. A great pass-defending safety is really the only thing stopping our defense from being league-best again. Well, apart from a halfway decent offense that can hold onto the ball for more than 3 downs at a time…
by Exystence on Oct 11, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didnt want Cro in the first place!!!
Honestly I think we would be better with Braylon!!! Second we could have done better in the FA Cro speed is up and down the field but Wilson has speed side to side and up and down the field. Cro experience gives him the edge but sometimes Cro looks like a rookie himself!!! Wilson working with Revis made big a difference I think he will be ready next year for sure plus he needs to show up anyway most likely its his contract year
Not sure about Wilson yet...
But Cro sucks…I’ve been saying since day one that he sucks and we’d overpay to get him back.
Making him our “ball-hawking” free safety seems like a good idea if Wilson is ready to be #2.
by Down Since '86 on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Oh Lordy, All Caps Man is going to be all over this like Cro writing child support checks.
I will actually disagree here, only because of Wilson’s inexperience thus lack of game film. My understanding is Wilson still gets help in his coverage and is covering lesser receivers. It is really hard to defend Cro’s play at all only saying he is expected to do more then any #2 corner in the league is asked to do. Then again he did fleece our FO for $8/year, which makes me a little ill just thinking about.
explain
only saying he is expected to do more then any #2 corner in the league is asked to do.
for I am ign’ant.
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Put on an island with no help much like Revis is.
I know it’s not happening as much this season, but that’s what the talking point is on our CB sitch, right?
If you're saying that other #2 CB's get more safety help, I disagree
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Although to lend credence to your point
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a 2nd CB double a receiver or give Cro help. Not to say it doesn’t happen, but in that sense yes, he is left alone more. Honestly at his salary he should be able to do that much. If he needs extra help against the likes of Torrey Smith, Deion Branch and Ochocinco then why did we even sign him in the first place?
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right now
Cro is the better corner no question but if kyle continues on the path he is on in the future he should end up being the better corner
That's funny
I didn’t see Wilson getting picked on at all out there, in spite of the number of passes thrown his way. Rather, I saw Wilson go above and beyond and make amazing stops while Cro was consistently beaten in coverage all game long, no matter who he covered. What’s funniest of all is that the receivers they covered were regularly switched throughout the night.
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Jonathan Joseph
We should have went for Jonathan Joseph in the off season. But Wilson is definitely better.
no we should not have cro is the better corner
by Emmanuel Agu on Oct 11, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he isn't.
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With Revis on the field ANY second corner is going to look bad at some point in all games.
Even ASO or any other corner,because they will get the most targets.
You know what? You can not stop every single pass play as a team for the entire game.
I didn’t see Cro being trashed after the Ravens loss when he played shut down for the whole game- minus one bogus holding call.
I only pull for the New York Jets.
What a shock, people don't trash Cro when he plays well!
What a concept. And no, #2 does not typically draw the most targets. The vast majority of the most targeted CB’s in the league are either number 1 on the chart, or an extra DB. OURS does, because passers recognize him as a liability.
Playing opposite an unknown rookie who has had 1 quarter of success his entire career, he BETTER play shutdown, otherwise we might as well cut his butt. You’re painting it as if he didn’t screw up in that game at all.
Nobody in their right mind will ask any CB to stop every single pass, and don’t pretend that’s what we’re asking of Cro. If that was our standards Revis would be in the dog house too. When I watch Cro play I see someone whose lack of awareness, tackling, and solid coverage added to his obvious fear of physical contact and inflated salary clearly outweighs the physical skills and potential he brings to the table.
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I've literally been saying it since about week 3
I might have even said it after week 1. I want Wilson to be the CB2.
by Exystence on Oct 11, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hell NO
Putting Cro at Safety is THE worst idea I’ve ever heard. Tackling/physical play is the weakest part of his game why would we put him at a position where this is a must have????
At this point I’d say Cro and Wilson are pretty equal with maybe Cro being a little better. I honestly think that by the end of the year Wilson will be better though and hopefully given a chance to start. A players salary shouldn’t have an impact on their playing time/role
by FlightBoy83 on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Well at least we didn't go after Aso
But the two biggest changes that we need to make is at the safety position and linebacker position. Bart Scot can’t play every down next year and it may be time to possibly looking to replace Bryan Thomas as well. We don’t have enough athleticism or speed if you saw the lions game last night you know what I mean. Me and one of my friends last night were noticing the problems Briggs was having and that type of linebacker in the league is staring have since its become more of a passing league along with more counters. Guys like Briggs and Bart Scott have problems changing directions and keeping up with the new NFL style.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I agree
Cro is wildly inconsistent, and he’s a penalty machine. I’d much rather roll with Kyle but money and politics will never let that happen. At least Kyle will be consistent (you’ll know what his strengths and weaknesses are and you can game-plan to account for them) and he’ll improve with experience. With Cro, he’ll lock down a route one play and he’ll get smoked on the same route the next.
by Crackback on Oct 11, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Judging from these comments
i feel like i’m watching a different Kyle Wilson than the rest of you guys. The Wilson i’ve been watching has trouble running with a TE, takes bad angles on tackles, and constantly requires help over the top due to his inability to keep up with any WR he covers. Oh, and he can’t block on punt returns to save his life.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I think you’re watching last year’s games, bro.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Oct 12, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions

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