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Rex says that the team is "fortunate" to have Schotty.  We've heard over and over that Sanchez is the guy, the one, the franchise.  Yet, against the worst defense in the league 7 of our 11 possessions ended in 3 & out punts (and time expired on one of those possesions, so its really 7 of 10).  While the Patriots, against our supposed best defense in the league had only one (!!!) 3 & out, and they punted 4 times out of their 11 possessions.  So what the hell gives here Rex?

Seems like every week the defense plays well for the most part, but gives up some huge play/penalty that keeps the other team's drive alive (Witten, McFadden, Rice, Welker).  Seems like every week the offense sputters, and its impossible to tell if its because of the OC or the QB.  And it seems like every week you (ie Rex) get a free pass.  Enough of the excuses and get it done.  This team is too good for a 3-game losing streak.  Yes, we lost to 3 good football teams.  But guess what?  We're supposed to beat the good football teams too.

This defense is too talented and too intelligent to keep getting sacked by silly mental errors week in and week out. This offense is too loaded to have such long stretches of ineptitude on a game to game basis.  They should fart 20 points on a bad day.  Enough with the "awe shucks, we'll get better" approach to the offense.  Take ownership of it like you do the defense.  I'll bet my last dollar that if the defense gave up a touchdown on every single opening drive of a game you would flip the hell out. So Rex... why don't you blow a gasket over this offense's apparent inability to score in the first quarter of games?  This problem dates back to last year. 

Why is it "OK" for Dustin Keller to come out of a game with one... I repeat, ONE goddamn catch.  Thats completely inexcusable.  The freakin guy should have at least one target per series.  How the hell does Joe McKnight come out of that game with one touch on offense?  The guy almost returns a goddamn kickoff for a touchdown in every goddamn game, but on offense we'll give him ONE carry.  Awesome.  How does Tomlinson leave that game with the same amount of catches as Matt "freakin one catch" Mulligan?  WTF is that??? 

Explain to me how we're so "fortunate" to have Brian as our OC?  Is Sanchez that bad?  Because Sanchez has looked pretty freakin good to me at times, especially in the clutch and double-especially in the playoffs.  Do you have some sort of "coach's son" affinity toward the guy?  What is it?  Because I don't freakin get it.  Don't tell me he's doing a good job Rex, because he isn't.  And he hasn't for YEARS.  Don't piss on me and tell me its raining.

Enough with the playing favorites.  Enough with the cronyism and the worship of all things Baltimore.  That goes for the players and the coaches.  Stop being beholden to your affinity for certain people, or past production, or prior location.  Your job is to do one thing: win.  If certain people aren't getting it done, then find someone who will get it done.  Either Eric Smith or Jim Leonard need to take a back seat to Brodney Pool.  Pick one and move on.  Both Pouha and Devito need to realize that if they don't perform up to snuff, that there's 350 pound athlete that needs grooming.  If they want to miss tackles and get blown off the ball from time to time, well then Kenrick can do that too.  At least he'll make some dynamic plays from time to time to go with it.  If Cro is going to keep blowing coverage, then Wilson could use the snaps.  If Kerley can play now, then Mason can kick rocks, his checks won't bounce.  If Greene misses reads, then Joe could use more touches.  Joe needs to get more goddamn touches anyway, WTF is going on with this???  But I digress...  Last year Greene fumbled in the first game and didn't get another touch for 2 weeks.  Seems like there's some other folks around these here parts that need to get the same type of treatment.  Enough with the nonsense and start winning.  And fire that moron of an OC and let Cally take over already.

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I believe the blame for our offensive woes lie squarely on Schotty's shoulders

I believe Sanchez will get right( he isn’t doing bad now) he’s shown glimpses of brilliance with below average offensive coaching imagine how he and his weapons will flourish once they get a good OC and a system that suits them(like the West Coast, perhaps) I mean 166 yards passing is unacceptable but that is the game plan Schotty went with. Just my thoughts on the subject.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If we weren’t primarily a running team, the Air Raid offense would be perfect for Sanchez. Mostly hurry-up, not a lot of plays so it’s simple, and lots of the slants and mesh routes that Sanchez is good with. I’d love to see Mike Leach brought in. They had him consult last year for a little but he’d make a great OC, and his personal style is very much Rex-esque. Definitely one of my favorite coaches of all time.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

And I like Leach too. Very creative, and he has an attacking style. And we need to use more spread. I just wonder how he would approach the running game.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. No clue though. But I don’t think he ever had a great running back or even a great line. But he’s the guy that made Welker great, and Crabtree a first rounder. Dude has talent.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest I’d be excited about it. I think Leach is basically Rex on Offense.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more. If Mr. T asks for my opinion anytime soon, I’d tell him to relieve Schotty of play-calling ability during the bye, and bring Leach in over the offseason.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES! THIS!

Spread the dam offense. WTF is up with these tight formations all the dam time with all this talent? That OC is a moron. We should have won that game Sunday. I hate this. I can’t believe this. Hell, I’m going back to work.

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by King A! on Oct 11, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see Mike Leach brought in.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Leach is needed to save my alma mater’s football team. :-P

The Jets will have to find somebody else.

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by John B on Oct 11, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

BC, right?

i feel sorry for you :)

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by rexthejet on Oct 11, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, kinda why I chuckle a bit when people say the Jets are doomed.

The Jets aren’t. If you want a hopeless cause, that would be BC.

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by John B on Oct 11, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ralphDrussoAP: BC released letter DeFilippo sent to ACC leaders “I regret misunderstandings/negative fallout my actions may have caused”

I would LOVE to see Leach at a school or NFL team that has actual talent. As good as he made Texas Tech, it was mostly because of scheme. The talent level there just wasn’t that good.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 11, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Wanna Talk About Hopeless Causes

then talk about a strong football program being built at Duke. But hey, if Stanford and Wake Forest can do it, Duke can too, and so BC should definitely be able to.

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by joeklecko on Oct 11, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We lost to Duke

at home no less.

Four years ago we had Matt Ryan and reached second in the nation.

I don’t have the time here since this is a Jets blog. Long story short, our athletic director runs the program like the Dolans ran the Knicks in the Isiah Era. Mistake after mistake driven by ego and stubborn refusal to admit mistakes.

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by John B on Oct 11, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

but but but

why cant he just get espn to help out your program.....

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez, I don't really follow any team in the NCAA,

but if your analogy is anywhere near accurate you guys a screwed for another 4-5 years at least. Dolan still is killing the Knicks.

by Timmaht on Oct 11, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OOH

That’s scary. Sorry to hear that.

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by joeklecko on Oct 12, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Idk, I'm kinda torn on going West-Coast.

WC is based more on precision and timing, neither of which is Sanchez’s forte. I think we should go more run-heavy and vertical in the passing game with dump-offs to our backs in space.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically every system now has elements of the WC. I think there are better routes to go while still keeping some fundamental WC principles, so you’re not as tied down. WC is easier to incorporate into another offense than the other way around.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Oct 10, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that but

With a full offseason working on the timing, I think it could really work and Sanchez has improved his short pass accuracy, because basically that’s all they do now.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean the type of system Atlanta runs?

Because that sounds like what they do or did last season at least.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The WC offense doesn’t suit Sanchez. Schotty uses a version of the WC offense.

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by joeklecko on Oct 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because Schotty uses it...

Doesn’t mean the system is problematic. Schotty is. The only way Schotty could ever look good as an OC is if Peyton Manning was his QB and that’s because Manning would also be calling the plays.

by cult hero on Oct 11, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schotty couldn’t even make Brees look good when he was in SD and we know how amazing he is.

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, Sanchez is getting a pass because of Schotty

Schotty sucks, but Sanchez is doing a terrible job of reading defenses. He seems to never have the right blocking assignment ready for the right side (His left side), blitz. Look at the big sack fumble against the Steelers and the Ravens. Looks like the same type of play. Ed Reed was lined up on Keller. That has to tell you something. Ed Reed is a great safety, but him holding Keller is a mismatch for Keller. Sanchez needs to read that. If Reed comes, throw at the blitzer, if he goes out on Keller, take advantage of the mismatch.

 NE did a similar blitz, he head LT protecting on the other side. This is important because if he sees these blitzers coming he has big plays throwing at the blitzers, but he seems to never picked them up. Also, on the 3rd and 8 when Kerley ran a 7 yard route. I blame Sanchez on that play. They only rushed three people, he had the time to either fake a pass and throw over the top of the defenders or find another option. I believe after weeks of getting beat up Sanchez is getting a little nervous in that pocket. I don’t blame him, but he has to do better jobs of making plays.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Oct 10, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about that too

Maybe the constant beatings have left him a bit shaken, but I think with a few weeks of consistent pass protection, he’ll settle down.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez Doesn't Control Blocking Assignments Does He?

Mangold made those calls. I’m not sure who made them while he was out. Was it Sanchez? If so, I never heard that. I think Callahan is to blame. There’s no reason why only Mangold and Turner would be capable of making those calls. Brick and Moore are veterans. They should be able to make those calls. Schotty also deserves much of the blame because he calls the formations, and designs and calls the plays. He could have altered the formations and plays to keep a TE (Mulligan) to Hunter’s right.

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by joeklecko on Oct 10, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seem Sanchez point out blitzers, but you might be right.

And if you are right, how could Mangold call out protection on someone blitzing from the outside. That’ too much responsibility for their all pro center.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Oct 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mangold does control the blocking schemes if I remember correctly...

I think the announcers pointed out him doing it in the Pats game and said he does all of it….he’s a good player and a really smart guy so I wouldn’t put it past him, also it would explain why it hurt even worse while he was out.

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also calls some plays for Sanchez

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know Mangold is still calling plays

I knew he was calling the plays and controlling blocking schemes during Sanchez’s first and second season but I thought that was mostly over at this point.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Oct 11, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Sanchez called the plays when they run no huddle

BTW have the Jets run no huddle during this 3 game road trip?

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by MDGeekyGrl on Oct 11, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mangold Calls the Line Blocking Assignments

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by joeklecko on Oct 11, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two words: Alex Smith

Yeah, he gets a pass in my book. Wanna see what happens to a king of inconsistency when he gets someone managing the offense who isn’t a moron? Look no further than San Francisco.

by cult hero on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on that

Harbaugh made Stanford the most physical teams in the PAC-12 and, now has brought that philosophy to SF. Harbaugh has taken the playbook dumbed it down for Smith to build his confidence and is slowly giving him more.

by JETSFAN IN SC on Oct 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, well said Crack.

The fact that he is coming out on Shotty’s side is really an indictment on Sanchez. You’re right it is impossible to tell if it’s Sanchez or Shotty. I’m inclined to believe it’s Shotty because our run game is also predictable, but you can’t really tell unless one of those two pieces is changed.

As for the personnel confusion, it could also be Sanchez or Shotty, Sanchez seems to go to Keller in spurts of the season. They has definitely overused Plax and went away from Keller and Holmes for whatever reason. Holmes spoke up, dumbly to the media. I really hope Keller is going to speak up to Sanchez or Shotty or just show them a stat sheet. He’s our best receiving threat at this point so he needs to be getting the ball or telling them to go elsewhere because he is getting doubled.

by Timmaht on Oct 10, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the reason he spoke up about Schotty is

That the Jets don’t need that type of PR mess right now. If Rex is doubting Schotty along with the players things will unravel.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shouldn't be doubting Shotty,

he or the FO should be getting rid of him outright by this point. Heck, the PR mess will start to shift to whether our HC knows what he is doing keeping such a bad OC.

by Timmaht on Oct 11, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Realistically, though we have stay with Schotty for the remainder of the season

Getting rid of him right now wouldn’t do much for us because we’d need a whole offseason to implement a new system. I think it would be too confusing just to drop Schotty’s “system”, pick up the interim OC’s plays in the middle of the season, then go with an established OC and learn his system in the offseason, getting rid of Schotty when the second the season ends for us is ideal.

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Change now

We should change now. If we do we will see whether Sanchez really can become the QB everyone thought. If we wait till next year we loose another season trying to pick it up and if Sanchez is not the guy we thought he was its too late to make a change for next year

by sledor on Oct 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but if somehow we were to end up 2-6, I think it needs to be done.

The offense couldn’t exactly get any worse. I mean right now they really don’t have a system, unless being terrible in all facets counts as a system.

by Timmaht on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, now.

Just do it. Get it over with. Plus, I want some offensive brains present that get to know and understand our current players before the draft. Don’t waste the rest of the year messing up Sanchez more.

Besides, it’s not like this limp-dick offense is going to get a lot worse.

by cult hero on Oct 11, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who Are They Gonna Hire

in the middle of the season? You guys just aren’t being realistic. In the middle of the season, they’d have to hire someone just as bad as Schotty, and that person would be like that phony Petrino with no loyalty and whose word means nothing. No thanks. To get someone good, they’re gonna have to wait until the season is over.

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by joeklecko on Oct 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Callahan

The guy has been here for several years and has the same philosophies as Rex

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 11, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What they should do is strip him of his play calling duties..

If we don’t want to change our system at least let some one else call the plays…Rex, Callahan, Tom Moore, Sanchez, Crackback, anybody….

by RhodesRocks on Oct 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

To add something about letting Sanchez loose this season.

Is he really being let loose? Have we audibled to a run this season? Last game alone gave him ample time to do this with those 3rd and shorts. Again, I would like to believe it’s Sanchez’s inexperience but is Shotty really giving him a leash or was that just a smokescreen.

by Timmaht on Oct 10, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't believe he's being let loose

If he lets loose and gives into his gunslinger ways, sure there will be more big plays but more INTs as well. Schotty’s holding him back to protect his own neck.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

With our Defense I would rather have a gunslinger who puts up points...

If we scored on half our our drives instead of 7, three and outs at least we would have put up a good amount of points and given the defense some time to rest so they could preform for us. Honestly we have an good enough defense that as long as he has a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio, we should win more games with Sanchez gun-slinging then this shit offense we have now.

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

With the defence that we have we should really be in every game. The fact that we lost 3 in a row is not the problem its how we lost them. Against Oakland the defence had a bad game. Against Baltimore the offence gave the game away. Last week against the Pats it was a mixed bag. The defence gave up 30 pts but the offence was pretty bad. They only clicked a few times. 7 out of 10 three and outs is not worthy of an NFL offence. Getting stopped before the endzone and settling for some field goals is one thing we were never close enough for that except the couple times we got in the endzone. There were plenty of times to kill time off the clock but 3 and out just kills your defence they spent quite a bit of time on the field.
    Its time to change now. Lets face it the way things are we can’t beat the bills once nuch less twice. We can’t beat SD and the Giants shouldn’t have much trouble with us either. That doesn’t even account for Philly or the Redskins. All in all we’re looking at a sub 500 year. Make the change now and see what happens

by sledor on Oct 11, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

We’re a team that’s built for a gunslinger. Ride his hand when it’s hot. Control the ball with the run when it’s not. Have a defense ready to deal with high risk/high reward stuff.

Oh yeah, and it’s be WAY more exciting than what we’re forced to watch now.

by cult hero on Oct 11, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can anyone explain the offense Shotty tries to run?

I may not see everything, but I can’t see what the hell our offense is AT ALL.
Ground And Pound? We get 4 YPC with Greene on 21 carries. Tom Brady’s Explosive offense threw for 33 times and BJGE STILL HAD 27 CARRIES AT 5 YPC.
When we want to throw, how do we do it?
Is it a short quick passing game with lots of slants and hitches? I barely see them. I know for a fact we aren’t a deep play offense even with all the playmakers catching the ball. Melreene’s right about not letting Sanchez loose. Just What the hell is this O?

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Its the...

We won’t do what you think we think we’ll do offense. Or, more concisely, the “Nonsense Offense.”

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For example, the genesis of every play call begins with this: “They think we’re thinking X, so we’re gonna do Y.”

We’d rather line up in a basic, balanced look and let the defense set their alignment, and then try to attack pre-snap weaknesses with our superior personnel. Its not only arrogant, but its stupid. Seems like we’d much rather do that than using our superior personnel to CREATE obvious pre-snap match-up problems.

You see, thats the “brilliance” of Schotty. He’s not only game-planning to disguise what we’re doing. No. He’s also trying to disguise what THEY’RE doing from THEMSELVES. He can’t just trick them. He has to trick them so good that they think they’re still doing it right. And we’re “fortunate” to have such a genius to grace us with his presence.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys should really read rexsanchez.com

and see the posts they have on schotty (aka The Beautiful Mind)

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by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

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by rexthejet on Oct 11, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably my most fav. quote in this history of GGN.
Schotty is the only OC I know that actually plays to his player weaknesses simply "because the other team won’t expect it"…the reason they don’t expect it is because its stupid and less productive then doing what we are good at even if the other team is expecting it.

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by Bro Namath on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

heres a quote i made last year on another post about the Denver game

Schotty loves to surprise teams. Instead of calling what has worked he wants to show teams looks they haven’t seen. Two problems. 1)When you are as talented as we are and a team is as weak as Denver is against the run there is no need to trick them. 2)You don’t execute plays you aren’t as familiar with. That’s why we only ran for so little at first.

a year later and nothing’s changed

by george JETson on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Contained Offense....

Almost the exact opposite of a Prevent Defense. Don’t take big Chances/Gambles. That’s us…we throw the slants and hitches and hope one of our receivers can break it open. Last year with Edwards we took a few pot shots down field but very, very rare calls. Shotty is like his dad….very conservative. That’s why he is big on the flash – all the pre-snap movement crap that confuses our players and not the D. Instead of coming up with fast counts to catch the D off guard. To Shotty’s thinking that would be unfair. Same thing if you came to line of scrimmage and nobody moved. He’d probably have a fidget fit on the sidelines and bash himself in the head with that clipboard. That’s our offense in a nutshell.

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by Canadian Jet on Oct 11, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Officially tried to see what O he ran

Nope No Clue, I just spent 2 hours looking up stats and writing a post about shotty’s history….NOTHING, JUST NOTHING

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Literally, I have no idea what we're thinking keeping this guy

Not once have we had a top 10 O since he was here

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wont believe schotty is gone till i see the stake in his heart (and even then......)

we’ve thought for long enough that he’s needed to be axed

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by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we the fans

But the players are frustrated now, kinda hard for Rex to ignore when it’s right in front of him.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't work

He’ll coach our O until the end of time. Just come to accept it.

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just had a great idea of who could get rid of him and coach for us

Kendrick Ellis

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he might as well coach

snce he’s had his butt on the sideline all season

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by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BLASPHEMY

Do not speak of such things.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been wondering about this, too.

He’s been here 5-6 years and has yet to produce a solid, consistent offensive scheme. An identity, if you will.

The Jets have given him good-to-great talent at just about every position, including replacing players who leave, but still no dynamic production.

He’s not Rex’s hire.

At this point, the Jets should either be really, supremely great at executing a core offense, be really explosive, or be incredibly versatile offensively. I don’t much care which way we go, but a lot of talent is being wasted.

by jkoyon on Oct 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW Rec'd for telling the truth

And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...

by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

crack, youve written a ton of great posts in your time but i feel this is the best

i think its kinda impossible to put down all the issues i’ve felt this team has had and wrte in such an awesome mix of eloquence and crass. i wouldve rec’d it anyhow just for the title but job well done

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

You make a very good point that I've been mulling over for some time

Is it Sanchez or Schotty? The conclusion I’ve come to is that its both. Schotty must waste so much time in practice drawing up all his stupid plays that there is little time left for Sanchez to practice what he needs to most. What Sanchez needs to practice most is staying accurate to Holmes, Plax and Keller. And maybe Sanchez could learn to use a little touch when tossing it to a FB who is ten feet away. And maybe Sanchez could learn to stop staring down his receivers and just throw them the damn ball.
But you also make another good point, and that is Rex can’t praise them both because then he looks stupid.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Schotty is just terrible but with a better system and OC those issues with Sanchez will get resolved

Because it all comes back to coaching. If he isn’t emphasizing Sanchez’s points of weakness trying to correct them and help him get better, then he’s not doing his job.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Look at Denver. Last year their offense was top notch with McDaniels. Now it seems that Orton and the boys have taken a giant step back.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

but meanwhile st louis’s offense has taken a giant step back w/ mcdaniels at the helm offensively. lets face it, last yr denver had a good offense b/c brandon lloyd had a crazy fluky great yr that came out of nowhere

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but a) bradform is way better than orton b) jackson is way better than whoever denvers rb was last yr c) denver didnt have good wrs ether. tell me if you ever heard of brandon lloyd prior to last yr or eddie royal either. this yr their best wideout is eric decker who i didnt know existed unti 2 wks ago

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll believe in Sanchez when I see it consistenly

I’ve defended him by sighting Schotty before. I’ve blamed the wildcat for breaking up rythmn on offense. I’ve blamed WRs that didn’t have training camp. I’ve blamed everything but Sanchez. Now its time for Sanchez to get his blame to. He is not a rookie anymore.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 10, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't play poorly against NE

61% comp. and a 105 rating. 2 TDs and no turnovers. Granted he didn’t pass much but he does what Schotty calls. The only bad game was against Bal. Is everything perfect, of course not, but I truly believe better coaching will make all the difference in the world.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referencing any particular game

Its rather he is up and down from game to game, quarter to quarter

by CervezaVerde on Oct 10, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that he's a slow starter

But Schotty should’ve done something to correct that a long time ago. Nothing ever changes with him, same plays, same game plan, same story.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The offense is a slow starter

Sanchez numbers are fine in the first. I think Sanchez issues are 1) holds the ball too long 2) fails to make good reads 3) stupid INTs 4) not always placing the ball in the best spot for the receiver

by CervezaVerde on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corrections

1. Buzzer drill
2. Schotty should be helping him with that
3. INT’s happen
4. The receivers frequently step in front of the first down marker.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is I have seen Sanchez be great at times...

Look at the play offs or him bringing us back in the last minute of games/over time to win it for us. I have seen him squeeze throws into tight place and throw a great long ball. He can do it, he has the skill, its up to the coaches to put him in a position to utilize his talents where he can excel. So far Schotty has done the opposite…why in gods name don’t we run a hurry up offense,

Sanchez seems to run it very well and do great at it…if we run a hurry up after and obvious passing down we can catch them with there pass defense on the field and let Greene smash their teeth in. If we pick up a 3rd and 1 and the D has their big run stoppers in lets hurry it up and go pass happy on their asses…this seems like such a simple concept when you have a QB who excels in the two minute drill, yet I’m really not sure I can ever remember Schotty trying it.

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, here is my gripe and it may be a long one but...

Sanchez is a 55% passer. He kills drives by his inaccuracy as much if not more than Schotty with his crappy calls. Take for example, this year (stats are ESPN, math is mine)…

Keller has 19 catches on 33 targets. That’s 57.5%.
Holmes has 17 catches on 35 targets. That’s 48.5%.
LDT has 14 catches on 20 targets. That’s 70%.
Plax has 13 catches on 34 targets. That’s 38%.

In 2010, we have as follows…

Edwards has 53 catches on 102 targets. That’s 52%.
Holmes has 52 catches on 94 targets. That’s 55%.
Keller had 55 catches on 100 targets. That’s 55%.
LDT had 52 catches on 79 targets. That’s 65.8%.

Compare that to 2008 when Schotty was the OC and Favre was the QB…

Cotchery had 71 catches on 111 targets. That’s 64%.
Coles had 70 catches on 117 targets. That’s 60%.
Keller had 48 catches on 78 targets. That’s 61.5%.
Little Leon had 47 catches on 61 targets. That’s 77%.

A little more from Schotty as the OC with Penny as the QB in 2006…

Coles had 91 catches on 152 targets. That’s 60%.
Cotchery had 81 catches on 124 targets. That’s 66%.
Baker had 31 catches on 45 targets. That’s 69%.
Little Leon had 25 catches on 31 targets. That’s 80.6%.

Sanchez accuracy is not Schotty’s crappy play calling and it ends drives just as much. Consider a game with 30 passes. Sanchez completes 16 for 53%. A more accurate QB completes 20 for 66%. That’s 4 possible 1st downs in a game. That’s 4 possible 3rd down plays extended.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

When you start putting stats up on the board in B&W things certainly jump out at you. Now the only thing on these stats that isn’t rated into it is “Dropped Balls”. To be fair to Sanchez he has had a good number of balls that have been well placed to his receivers so far this season. Unfortunately for him and the Jets offense the targeted receiver has not had the ability to clamp hold of the sucker. pretty much all have been guilty of that fact. It always amazes me how LDT drops these easy flare passes coming out of the backfield. Nobody on him but I’m sure its just a matter of timing with his eyes doing that last look upfield for potential tacklers and boink the ball hits him in the hands and its 2nd down. I know Mark can miss some easy passes so don’t get me wrong I know he’s no saint.
You didn’t have any target/rec’d numbeers for Mason….why?

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by Canadian Jet on Oct 11, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its the gorilla in the corner; Sanchez has to improve

Dropped balls happen to everyone everywhere. LDT caught 100 balls in 2003. He has good hands. Next time he drops one, consider where Sanchez placed the ball and how hard he chucked it in there. Its called a touch pass and Sanchez doesn’t always put a little touch on the ball to the RBs. Consider Sunday when he drilled it to Connor ten feet away for a drop.

I only put up the 4 leading receivers who by the way are for each year 2 WRs, a TE and a RB. Notice how Penny and Farve targeted WRs more. Sanchez targets the higher percentage TE and RB more but still has a lower percentage.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wide Receivers, Bottom 15 Drop Percentage, 2010

Rank Player Team Receptions Drops Catchable Drop %
42 Santonio Holmes NYJ 61 8 69 11.59%
53 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 53 10 63 15.87%

Also of note from 2008-2010 Edwards was last in the entire leauge, he only had 1 drop in 2010 so 2008-2009 was pretty god awful:

45 Braylon Edwards NYJ 168 29 197 14.72% 45

Also of note is that every single one of Cotch and Holmes drops in 2010 was a catchable ball. Sanchez didn’t pass as much in his first two years as other QBs so having high drop % receivers really hurts him in the stat department.

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless

In 2010, with one drop by Edwards, Sanchez was 52% passing to him. You can attempt to add drops in to the others, but then you must also add drops for Favre and Penny.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the Ravens game

Sanchez has thrown for 60% EVERY game this year.

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so these are the 2011 stats from above

 Keller has 19 catches on 33 targets. That’s 57.5%.
 Holmes has 17 catches on 35 targets. That’s 48.5%.
 LDT has 14 catches on 20 targets. That’s 70%.
 Plax has 13 catches on 34 targets. That’s 38%.

Sanchez is upping his average by passing to RBs. That doesn’t change anything I said above. In fact, its what I said above.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't it always the case

That TEs and RBs have a higher completion percentage? And is that also not the reason that completion percentages are much higher in today’s NFL than in the 1970s (aside from rule changes)? The fact is-I don’t think we are targeting RBs more this year than last (and if so-by only a small amount) yet Sanchez has been decently efficient outside of 1 game (where the whole offense was a total washout).

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

never mind-

I actually finally read your first post on this-I guess I agree…

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do your numbers change if you take the Ravens game out?

I mean Sanchez was absolutely awful in that game. I do wonder if there is a sign of improvement above 2010 (small sample not withstanding) if you remove his 11/33 or whatever it was. That is-were a lot of those throws (and incompletions) to WRs?

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

in that game nearly all the targets were WRs and TE-almost no Tomlinson. For example Santonio was targeted 12 times and caught 3. If you remove that game his completion percentage goes up to 61%. Keller goes up to 68% (Plax stays the same). I think the evidence is not clear at this stage. He has had trouble regardless getting the ball accurately to Plax 9who has also dropped a ton of passes) but otherwise you could make the case that aside from a game against a tough D at home with a backup center where his life was in danger, he has been better and better than it looks overall.

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhat better than 2010 but still short of Penny or Farve

And again, the point specifically here is Sanchez lack of accuracy is not Schotty’s fault.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but:
a)there are signs it is improving (especially when he has time to throw).
b)The OC needs to put his inconsistent QB in position to maximize whatever success he is capable of. I don’t see Schotty doing that. The Jets do not play to Sanchez’ strengths enough (throwing in early downs, play action and roll-outs) nor do they seem to run the kinds of pick and rub routes that many other teams use to get their receivers more open.

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

As an example:

an empty backfield on 3rd and short tells the other team you are passing-and you can’t even use playaction to freeze S and LBs…and we did that too many times against the Pats (2 or 3).

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point of using Penny and Farve as comparables

is that Schotty was the OC for them too. My point was to compare rather than just bash Schotty further.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

I get it-I just am not sure that Schotty even changes his playbook for a different type of QB. I understand that Farve and Penny were more accurate-but when I watch what Scotty calls-especially given Sanchez’s skill-set, I scratch my head (see above).

by Buzzy on Oct 11, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

However

The facts are the facts and was was said above is all correct but that only addreses the passing game.The running game is not working. If it was then the passing game would be better and that is on the OC

by sledor on Oct 11, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chad was one of the most accurate passer ever and we know were farve rates in terms of QBS

yet the offenses werent better or more prolific in scoring with either qb. in fact last year was the best with schotty as oc. heres a stat neither chad or farve had a 300 yrd game with schotty as OC.

by george JETson on Oct 11, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry but...

All you said to me was Chad was one of the most acurate QBs ever with Schotty as the OC. And Penny had 3 300 yds pass games in 2006 under Schotty.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 12, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on and Rec'd

It’s both of them. Right now, I don’t see Sanchez making it into the top 10 QBs in the league. He’s just too inconsistent. I think Schotty hurts him and the offense more than words can say. With a better OC, I think Sanchez could play better.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 11, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!!! GREAT Thread Title (and Post) Rec'd

Love your thread title. While a bit surprised at your post, I totally agree with everything you said. Too many people have been giving Rex a pass. Ultimately, he is responsible for the team’s play and whether they win or lose. Lots of other teams are playing very well even with the lockout and injuries. Rex has only himself to blame for the team’s play this year. It his poor decisions, coaching, assessment of the various components of the team’s play, individual’s play, and the abilities/efficacy of some of his coaching staff that has caused this sorry ass level of play.

He needs to pull his head out of his ass, keep his fat mouth shut to the media, and concentrate on acting like a HC with some maturity and football sense. If he doesn’t, he may be joining Schotty on the unemployment line within a season or two.

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by joeklecko on Oct 10, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Sadly, I agree klecko. Both units have dramatically underwhelmed. The only thing that seems to be consistent is McKnight busting kickoff returns. I do think that the offense is partially the blame for some of the defensive woes (they’ve been gassed). But the defense doesn’t do itself any favors with the dumbass 3 & 30 penalties or the easy completions given up by Cro and the safeties or their inability to get off the field… ever. And while Schotty being called to the carpet is much needed and long overdue, Rex too often gets a pass for the offense’s short-comings. He seems to be the only head coach in the league that never gets held accountable for the offense.

Guys like Coughlin has to answer for specific playcalls at times. Everyone nows he doesn’t call the plays. Rex? Nope, he gets a total pass.

by Crackback on Oct 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agrred...totally!

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by Canadian Jet on Oct 11, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You made a great point

Sanchez looks really good in 2 minute drills, no huddle, hurry up, and in crunch situations in playoffs and 4th quarters. Basically all the times where he doesn’t have much if any time to consult with his OC.

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by Bro Namath on Oct 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Not easy though

Lots of QB’s struggle there with those predictable defenses and of course the mental pressure.

by Melrenee on Oct 10, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

name me 5 jets wrs to choose from?

at most the jets use 4, and even if then, only sparingly. last yr brad smith was the 4th wr and he had all of 4 catches. this yr kerley is the 4th and basically never saw the field until they benched mason

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

aight

although honestly it’d really be nice if we ever had more than just 3 wrs to choose from. right now we 1.5. holmes and sometimes plax. mason sucks and kerley s a somewhat ok rookie. where’s our antonio brown or austin collie?

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am the opposite on that

I’d rather only see 3 WRs on a long third down. Otherwise, I want two TE or the FB on the field so there is the possibility of a good run game

by CervezaVerde on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe in terms of gameplanning sure

but we havent had any depth there in ages. and going 5 wide sent only a 3rd down gimmick. feel that it would greatly benefit sanchez sometimes to open things up rather than clog it in for him

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep in that case

I’d bet we didn’t run a pure 5 wr play in years

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by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

any coincidence to schotty being the OC?????

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 10, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For my opinion on that

See my many comments or my post

And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...

by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the hiring of Tom Moore is a sign of the end of Brian schottenheimer.

This offense has the personnel to be a dynamic one. And schotty is completely holding us back. Get aggressive! Throw the ball downfield to holmes,keller, burress, mason and kerley! Kick their ass! Dont get cute!

by jets4life24 on Oct 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thank you Crack

And while we’re at it WTF is up with not stopping the run or giving up 32 pts a game in the last 3. Ok McFadden and MJD are elite RBs but BEN-JARVIS?!!!!!! We couldnt get a stop when we knew he was coming? He got 50+ yrds on that last drive when we needed the ball back. D IS Rex’s thing!
I love Rex. I thought Namath was wrong on the over confidence thing, having his players believe is how he gets them to perform. He gets knocked for things that are not important, (his guarantees or boasts), but the things in crack’s post and the things I mentioned are deserved. Step up and take credit for this then fix it Rex!

by george JETson on Oct 10, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

...

30+ points in Baltimore came from 21 points from our O

And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...

by JetsFanMurphy on Oct 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I’ve been working myself into such a lather I forgot that!
Sh!t…I just knocked over my beer! Some how I know its Schotty’s fault!!!!

by george JETson on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHH! He can have a shot and go kiss a sideline reporter!

The 3 game losing streak doesnt make him right. Knock Rex for the right reasons, not for making his players confident. He got them to believe they were better than they were and they played up to that belief, beyond their talent…and thats a bad thing?

by george JETson on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex

I think Namath was spot on. Why else do you think the team is playing so poorly this year? They simply aren’t performing. Yes, they’ve had some injuries, but so have other teams, and their depth steps up. With the exception of STs, none of the units have played with any consistency or fire this year. They play as if they expect the other guys just to lie down and quit because they’re playing the Jets.

His guarantees are part of the over-confidence thing for the Jets players and it also paints a target on the Jets’ backs. It gives the other teams increased incentive and fire. It’s stupid, embarassing and imo makes Rex look like a clueless ass clown.

These thing are less important than the other things we’ve discussed, but they’re still part of the overall picture imo, and show that the Jets have a HC who really doesn’t know what he’s doing yet.

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by joeklecko on Oct 11, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with you Joe

Its been very disappointing to say the least to see the free-fall of Rex & the Jets this year. I think it all started from the off-season with the free-agent period and they never recovered. It was like they never had a contingency plan if they didn’t get that guy from Oakland and which of the 3 WR’s they were going to keep etc. Then we waited it out, lost out to signing better players and instead of type “A” quality players had to settle for C’s & D’s. Then we’ve watched team run the ball down our throat and pass through our interior like swiss cheeze Mmmm…..this the # 1 D….don’t think so……and our offfense still with its traing wheels on. An O-Line that couldn’t stop a High School team from getting to our QB. Meanwhile Rex keeps singing "Everything is alright in paradise(Jetsland). I don’t know if they are being too simple or stupid to wake up to this disaster on their hands or willing to walk it off and start over again with a new slate like they have done so many, many times in Jet history.

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by Canadian Jet on Oct 11, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Look at the steelers their line is even worse then ours and their offence still performs.

by sledor on Oct 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you liked the class mangini displayed

undeniable: Rex changed the mood, relevance and culture of this team! this franchise was looked at as doormats and pushovers who got little respect.
I’d rather be blowhards and hated AND in the AFC Championship game each year then irrelevant, not noticed and laughed at while home every year at playoff time.
I’ll agree with you and Namath when the players arent swearing by there coach. or when players from other teams arent saying they want to play for Rex.

by george JETson on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough

One doesn’t have to be a blowhard to be successful, or lose to show class or at least some propriety and common sense. I love Rex’s abilities as a DC, but am becoming less and less enthralled with him as a HC. This could all unravel and become just as ugly as it did with Herm or Mangini.

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by joeklecko on Oct 12, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

great post

i blame rex as much as schotty . when he was a raven his defence was the part of the team that won games for them . i think rex actually got off knowing his defence won games and not the offence .
 it seem the same here , its nearly like rex doesn’t want the offence to be too much of a sucess in case it detracts away from the job he does on defence . rex and his family are all defence minded so having a great defence to win the SB would look better on the record books for him than having a good offence win it . it seems like he wants to emulate his dad way too much

if its for you it won't pass you

by tinley24 on Oct 11, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Nahhh I don't think he doesn't want them to be too much of a success...

I think all those years with the ravens and having a rookie QB when he came here he is just used to the offense blowing. He has set the precedent that as long as Schotty doesn’t blow the game outright with offense he can keep his job. If Schotty has kept his job this long simply not loosing games on offense, while making no moves to actually try and win them…until we can’t possibly just play not to loose anymore(See all the close games we won last year…our Offense blew for 3 quarters while the D kept us in the game and there finally came a point in the game where Schotty had to let Sanchez throw the ball down the field instead of playing like an ass clown…and what do you know he actually won us the game…). Schotty calls plays on offense not to loose the game…that the fact of the matter and you can’t really hope to have a successful football team like that.

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what.....

Most of our problems will be solved when the Jets when the Super Bowl. The media will get off of Rex’s back, they will lay off Sanchez, our defense will get their swagger back and there will be some desperate team out there who will want to hire our “genius” OC to run their team.
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by MDGeekyGrl on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Schotty thought they would want him if he won a super bowl...

So he did what they wouldn’t expect and lost 2 AFC championship games… unfortunately much like his offensive play calling it didn’t work out for him..

by RhodesRocks on Oct 11, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Done

I think you articulated what many people have been feeling around here, and its evidenced in the comments.

The reality is the Jets don’t have an identity as an offense. They have faces and playmakers, but no successful characteristics that stands out. When the defense “plays like a Jet” it means they’re playing physical smashmouth football with a scheme that starts and ends with its best players.

What does “play like a Jet” mean on offense?

What is the trademark of a Brian Shottenheimer offense?

At least in 2009 it was run the ball down your throat. Now, I can honestly say I have no clue.

by SaxTom on Oct 11, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great points Crackback

And I think Rex deserves a lot of the blame for allowing Schotty’s ineptitude to continue without even a drop of criticism.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

you know whats even worse than just the fact that we have schotty?

i was just talking to a friend of mine who’s a huge ravens fan and i was massively complaining about schotty. he goes “well he cant possibly be as bad as the OC the ravens had when they won the super bowl (w/ tony banks / trent dilfer). his name is matt cavanaugh.” me: “NOOOOOOOOOO! HE’S OUR QB COACH!!!!!!!!”

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol

I’m beyond trying to figure out what the Jets are doing on offense.

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i guess the thought process is

that we only need a qb as good as dilfer or banks to win and so we have cavanaugh to mold sanchez into that type of qb…….

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

maybe this can explain some things…

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by rexthejet on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scary

Get these guys outta here ASAP.

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

its funny

i was actually thinking of the last time that i remember massive offensive changes in midseason bringing about crazy change and thought back to when jim fassell in midseason took over as the ravens play caller and immediately the offense started scoring like 30 pts a game. the awful OC fassel took the play calling duties away from? you guessed it: good ol matt cavanaugh

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, when Schotty is shown the door, he can leave it wide open for Cavanaugh?

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't.

But I’d love to see some other team let him have a go at it.

by Melrenee on Oct 11, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only thing i'd say is

that its possible that he makes for a terrible coordinator but good coach. keep in mind his prob here is playcalling. as a head coach he doesnt need to do that. being a head coach is more about being a leader and such and for all you know he actually has those qualities. his playcalling sucks though…..

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 11, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's usually the other way around.You have to prove your self as a co-ordinator before you get the HC job.

Son of Marty has not built quality offenses when he has had the pieces in place.That takes leadership skills.

by Putnan Prince on Oct 12, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i definitely agree w/ you

however my point was that different qualities are needed from being an OC to a HC. even if schotty was awesome in leadership qualities (and there really was no reason to think he wasnt prior to this mutinous season) if he sucks at calling plays he wont get results. so even if he’s unproven as an OC he could still be HC material (keep in mind that excellent coaches such as andy reid and jim harbaugh went straight from being positional coaches to HC position and completely skipped being a coordinator)

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Oct 15, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the debate: Schotty or Sanchez

SCHITTY

plain and simple, let’s not for get that neither pennington or favre could succeed in his system either. That should put it to rest and prove mark needs a shot with a decent OC

by JETSKID123 on Oct 12, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Penny went to the playoffs and lost with a 25th ranked offense

favre has been hurt his whole career but still had the career he had, just look up how hurt he was in GB and MIN

by JETSKID123 on Oct 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care what Favre did in Min or GB. Thats irrelevant to the discussion.

You said Favre couldn’t suceed in Schotty’s system. I countered that he got hurt then left. So we don’t know whether or not he could suceed in the system or not.

2006 was an alright year for Penny. The team made the playoffs. They were 18th in scoring and 17th in passing in Penny’s first year in the system. Then in a somewaht controversial move, Mangini benched Penny in 2007. Its debateable.

by CervezaVerde on Oct 13, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, while Penny had a good year in 06

he was not the whole offense, as a whole, ran under schotty, the O was 25th. That’s all that matters cuz schotty is not the passing coordinator, he is the OC, includes the run game. When Favre was here, yes he got hurt, but had he checked out, he wouldn’t have started and attempted to win those last five games. Did favre call a double reverse from the wild cat in the pouring rain in a game that he was hurt, no, schotty did.

by JETSKID123 on Oct 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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