Brian Schottenheimer Will Return in 2011
by John B on Jan 24, 2011 7:57 PM EST
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PrintRex Ryan said today in his press conference that we can expect no offensive coordinator change.
Rex said Schottenheimer will absolutely be back. Expects several assistants to be in high demand elsewhere though. #nyj
Let me start out by saying I do not think all criticism of Schottenheimer is justified. I think sometimes people take out frustrations on him over execution issues. Great execution makes any coordinator look great. He can only take so much blame for the games where Mark Sanchez could not hit the broad side of a barn. I think of Cam Cameron. He was an "innovator" in San Diego when he had Philip Rivers, LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime, and Antonio Gates. Ask Miami or Baltimore fans about that label.
With that said, we have gone over time after time where Schotty's thought process left much to be desired. There is the constant and needless motion and shifting that led to a critical penalty. There was going to Brad Smith on a big third and fifteen. There was the deep out he called against Miami with Sanchez struggling. I could go on. He reminds me a lot of Eric Mangini. He's a young guy who knows a lot. He has great flashes. He just was not ready for the job at such a young age because he cannot at times differentiate between what looks good on a chalk board and what will work. He tries to cute too much. He gave assignments too difficult to his young quarterback. I could go on.
In light on this, you might be surprised to hear that I support this move. It has nothing to do with continuity for Sanchez. I think people look at this as a cause of success too much while I view it as an effect. When you know you have something geniunely good, it is a good idea to stick with something even when it hits rough patches. When something is inconsistent, it is often a good idea to make a change. Giving a young quarterback a new playbook every year is a bad thing, but I think Sanchez would be best served with a better coordinator.
Why do I support the move then? It is because of the unclear labor situation. If a lockout drags near the season, players might first be working with their coaches a few weeks before the season starts. There will be no offseason programs. It would be next to impossible to implement a new offense. Even if they went with a familiar face like Bill Callahan, they would have trouble implementing Callahan's new wrinkles.
It's probably best to hope Sanchez has a big year in 2011, and Schottenheimer finds a head coaching job as a result.
I just hope Woody Johnson opens his wallet to keep Callahan in case he's one of the coaches in "high demand."
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Rex said Schottenheimer will absolutely be back. Expects several assistants to be in high demand elsewhere though.
I take that to mean while Rex will bring Lil Schotty back, Schotty could possibly still land a Head Coaching gig?
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That's EXACTLY how I take it too.
There was a time as well that Rex supported Pettine, remember the play calling question. It was striking how Rex defended Pettine on 1050, he immediately started talking about how Pettine was going to be pursued as a head coach in this league next year.
Rex feels that one of his great obligations is to do everything he can to get his coaches hired somewhere else. I’m hoping the very same is the case for Schottenheimer.
Maybe some leud photos, I don't know.
The only think I can think of is what Crack just mentioned below about Sanchez’s development.
YOU GUYS ARE NUTS
How can you possibly think this is a good thing? Please explain that to me? Ah, you don’t want to change OC’s on Sanchez forcing him to learn a new system. Ask Klecko and all of SNY what they think.
Did anyone watch the 1st half of the Colts game? Did anyone of you guys say once, WHY AREN’T THEY RUNNING THE BALL?? You think that Colts game was good? Are you NUTS? The Jets should have blown the Colts away. If Schotty would have just realized that he was running the ball for over 5 yards a carry, it wouldn’t have to come down to Folk.
Lions, Browns, Miami, GB, Baltimore, did anyone pay attention to the play calling? You couldn’t have unless you do think this offense is way below average. I don’t. I think Sanchez is a good young QB who HAS TO BE PUT IN THE RIGHT SITUATIONS, Schotty DOES NOT DO THAT.
How many times do we have to scratch our head when we RUN THE BALL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RED ZONE, AND THEN START THROWING ON 1ST AND 2ND DOWN?
LT21 said it the best, “I like this offense because of the zone blocking scheme” What happend to that? Don’t you dare sit there pounding your fat little fingers and say LT was old, he slowed down. YOU’RE NUTS.
Did anyone grow up watching Montana and Rice on the quick slant pass play? Did anyone notice everytime, EVERYTIME the Jets ran this play it yielded 7+ yards a game?
Listen up, if you think for one second that this team will win a SB with Schotty, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. Schotty will continue to blow opportunities to allow Sanchez to make plays. ITS OBVIOUS WHEN HE LET HIM MAKE THE LAST CALL TO EDWARDS SO WE CAN PUT FOLK IN POSITION. Schotty had no idea what to do.
Schotty has flashes of success, but his play calling HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. I truly believe that if we would have RAN THE BALL (OH BTW SO DOES EVERY JET FAN AND PLAYER) ON 1ST AND GOAL WITH OVER 7 MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME, we wold have a shot to at least tie the game. SCHOTTY JUST PROVED TO YOU THAT HE CAN’T MAKE THE RIGHT CALLS IN THE BIG GAMES, HE BLEW 2 DOWNS, AND THEN RAN LT, RAN LT UP THE MIDDLE. My seven year old son even said, “uh-oh they’re going to run up the middle” WTFFFFFFF???
Whatever, I have no choice to accept the fact that he’s here to stay and probably never win a SB with him on the sidelines with his 8×8 foot play calling sheet.
the end around to J-co….COME ON!!!!!!!!
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John, ok I get it. My hatred for BS doesn’t make me think logically.
But at least you do think Sanchez would be better off with a new OC, but under the labor situation, not right now. Point made.
Well we’re stuck with him anyway so I just pray that I eat my words, look really stupid, and understand that I don’t know jack about football.
Only God can give me the peace I need to deal with the play calling!
I don't think he is as bad as everybody thinks he is.
He’s far from perfect but what OC is. Josh McDaniel’s, I don’t think so. Mike Marts who suppose to be a genius, called a end around or a 3rd and one. After getting stopped for a lost, he call four vertical routes on a 4th and four. This is why that young QB threw an interception. Back to Schotty, While I’ve seen some incredible dumb plays from him over the years, I’ve also seen some great plays too. The two pick plays for touchdowns the last two games look like NE plays. They both were great calls. I really wished he would had kept LDT outside and SG inside and stop trying to trick everyone. He has to answer to the Jets offense starting so slow every game. However, I don’t want Sanchez learning a new system. I hope Sanchez gets a chance to call some of his own plays next season. Seems like he would be better off using Schotty system, but him calling the plays.
The thing as an OC you NEED to have a feel for the game, when not to call a bloody fly pattern on a down where you are currently running the ball dominantly, when not to call a 3 yard slant when you are running the ball dominantly and are about to get within a score.
Its a kind of permanent stupidity. Its not going to change. It risks games and risks seasons. Does anyone think that if Schottenheimer had until February 6 he wouldn’t OVER scheme some dreadful and complex offense that would stink in the super bowl. Ugh. Its not that he doesn’t call great plays. Its that he doesn’t manage the game itself well.
Yup, Shotty calls plays that have worked.
But Sanchez has made perfect throws in those situations. You can’t playcall perfect execution. If you knew you would have perfect execution, you could have a chimp back there throwing poop at a board of plays.
you are exactly right.
Sanchez himself has some serious weaknesses in short passes and timing, and this has to be factored into the play calling. Alot of time Schottenheimer has looked even worse than he was because Sanchez couldn’t thrown the ball within feet of his receiver. But you have to understand that when you make play calls. Sanchez isn’t accurate in touch short passes, and frankly he isn’t accurate with bomb passes (another favorite of Schotty’s). He’s best on the move, with intermediate, to middle deep passes that he can step into. They try to fit a round peg into a square hole.
True he calls plays that worked. But then I bet so did the Panthers’ OC. The problem is he calls plays that don’t work at the wrong times. The talent is there, he just doesn’t use it right.
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This is probably the best move. And for me it is about sanchez. Let him have at least one more year of stability, where he can focus on fine-tuning his quarterbacking skills and finding his game a little more. Hopefully we get both holmes and edwards re-done and he can take the next big step.
I think sanchez will have more ownership of the offense next year and he’ll be free to audible more often. He will have more leverage in the game planning and he’ll be in total control on the field. It’ll be schotty’s scheme, but it’ll be sanchez’s offense.
by Crackback on Jan 24, 2011 8:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think sanchez will have more ownership of the offense next year and he’ll be free to audible more often. He will have more leverage in the game planning and he’ll be in total control on the field. It’ll be schotty’s scheme, but it’ll be sanchez’s offense.
This is wishful thinking based on nothing substantial that I can see. The more familiar Sanchez gets with the offense, the more complex Schottenheimer will make it, just like he did this year. One can only hope that Sanchez is smart enough and mature enough to take it.
I disagree. Sanchez has much more weight now. And he has substantially more money invested in him than schotty does. He knows this. Now that he’s solidified himself as the franchise QB, he’ll start throwing that weight around a little bit. Its all in the natural maturation process. And I bet we’ll see him laying into receivers next year too if/when they mess up.
Sanchez now fully owns the playbook. He not only knows it inside and out, but he’s knows the timing of things. Next he’ll start to understand more deeply why we’re what we’re doing. What the motion is supposed to do to the D, how certain patterns effect coverages and how coverages can be manipulated, etc.
With his increased organizational prominence and his deeper understanding of the offense and is effect on defenses, its only natural for him to be more vocal and influential in the planning stages.
by Crackback on Jan 24, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crack, I was thinking of you when Sanchez made that beautiful look off in the Steeler game come back. It was the first time all year he really owned that ability that I could see. It wasn’t a memorized act, it was a real look off.
That being said, I have to compare your predictions from the last off-season on Sanchez, and also your description early season on how Brady was tailing off as a QB, already peaked and on the down turn, to say…well, your ability to predict QB play is a bit shotty (pardon the pun, and no offense).
I think using the actual word would be less of an insult.
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by John B on Jan 24, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said it with real affection (which seldom comes through). Crack is crazy, but in a good way.
by ________key on Jan 24, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I see the less well-beahved version of you has made an appearance. Leave it to good old kv to overgeneralize and misrepresent ur opinions into their most extreme form.
Sanchez has been looking off safeties for most of the year. And he’s done much more frequently and much more competently than you’re giving him credit for.
My predictions last off-season were that if sanchez didn’t improve, we’d be in deep doo doo. At the height of our first 5 game win streak, I said that sanchez was playing as well as anybody, even brady. He was. U keep twisting that into me saying that sanchez is brady’s equal. At no time did I make the claim that he was brady’s equal. Especially so when I continuously refer to Brady as the greatest of all time.
And kv, ur a smart guy and I lke ur comments, but ur not an authority on anything. I state my opinions just like everybody else. Nobody’s carries any more weight than the next guy.
But when u look at the natural maturation of franchize qbs, their power increases as their play contues to improve. And if don’t think that his sphere of influence won’t increase ur being naïve (no offense).
by Crackback on Jan 24, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I said it with affection and a smile which did not come through in tone.
by ________key on Jan 24, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
We are asking for major trouble if Callahan gets poached from us.
Our line is not just aging but some piece that have stepped in, Slauson and Turner that still need time to gel and one, Ducasse that is barely an embryo in football terms. Our offensive line needs all the help in the world to compensate for Shotty’s lack of consistency.
I don't think Schotty is terrible.
SO much as he tries to be fancy. He needs to do what he did with his QB and color coded systems. Not actually do that, but break things down and be simple, keep things relaxed and less crazy. Motions panicking the line and rushing the play. Just let it flow, let the game happen as it does. Feel the game and what can happen.
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With that said,
I hope that we keep ALL of the staff, minus Sal Alosi.
I think the NFL ought to change a rule
If you’re outside that white no-mans-land at any point in the play, a) whatever happens to you is your own damn fault, and b) you’re out of the play completely. Why the hell have sidelines and a buffer zone if you’re not going to make the players stay on the playing surface? It seems what people don’t realize is that if that Dolphin player took one more step to get back into the white (forget getting back onto the field) he would have run over Alosi. Personally, I think Alosi should have turned toward the Miami player in an effort to protect himself, but that player had no right to be where he was in the first place.
Would the NBA appreciate a player running behind the benches to get around a defender? The NHL a player skating through the stands? The MLB a player climbing 3 rows into the stands to make a catch? No, those players are all required to stay on the playing field (although falling into the first row to make a catch is reasonable). So the NFL ought to keep their players on the playing surface, or at least within the designated “buffer zone.” Alosi was wrong, but he wasn’t the only person to blame on that play.
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WOW. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME.
I’m more upset about this than our loss. I really sincerely hope this clown is gone by next season, cause it will make watching my team more of a chore than a pleasure. God help us.
Well why not? This is, after all, Brian Schottenheimer we’re talking about. The newer, younger addition to a legacy of coaching excellence. A mastermind of gameplanning innovation whose name is synonomous with success. A true champion whose creativity changed the sport, and who instilled a winning tradition in every team he was a part of and will be remembered for generations to come.
Ha. If you think this loser sucks as an OC, wait till he gets a chance to drag down a whole team as HC. Maybe he can lose more playoff games than his father if he tries hard enough.
by nationalist88 on Jan 25, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Don't have the time or energy to look this up, but...
Were the JETS consistently the worst 1st quarter team in the league? Week in and week out, including the playoffs it sure felt like it! Heck, you could easily make the case for the worst 1st half team!
That to me, is an indication of two things: Schotty having a bad game plan and/or lack of execution.
This team will never get over the proverbial hump with Schotty dialing up plays.
Callahan is our only hope and if he’s gone, not only will the O-Line take a nose dive, this team will too!
Callahan will probably be the first to go
There’s no way he doesn’t get an offer somewhere with the incredible job he’s done with our line.
Honestly though, with regards to Schotty—I wouldn’t even be opposed to him staying if there was any chance that he could improve. But you know when I was done with him? After the Packers game. Remember what he said, about how his players failed to execute? Seriously Brian? That’s the type of attitude he’s had all damn year long, which is why almost nothing has changed in the offense. At some point he admitted that maybe he should have made things simpler for Sanchez while he was struggling. That was when, after Week 14 after we lost embarrassingly to the Dolphins? He’s just another “genius” who thinks he’s a lot smarter than he actually is.
And it's not like it's just because of this season
People act like he hasn’t sucked for years now. He’s been the OC since ’06 right?
Here’s our offensive rankings according to FO since then:
2006: 12th
2007: 23rd
2008: 18th
2009: 22nd
2010: 16th
Hey would you look at that! His first year was the best. That was Leon Washington’s rookie year (and the only year he would be allowed to be the primary running back for whatever reason, another genius move by brilliant offensive mind Brian Schottenheimer I’m sure), Pennington’s last full year as a starter with the Jets (and two years before he totally owns us with the Dolphins and almost has an MVP year after we let him go for He Who Shall Not Be Named). We’ve been in the bottom half of the league since except for this year, where we just barely squeaked into the top half. We were worse this year compared to 2006 despite having loads more talent at every position except for QB.
His inflexibility and mishandling of the talent he’s had has been evident ever since that very first year. In 2006 with the 101 HBs that all sucked except Leon Washington (yet after having a couple of awesome games in the beginning of the year he barely gets the ball, wtf?). In general his mishandling of Leon Washington. Also, the QB situation in 2007. Then getting rid of Chad because he was embarrassing Kellen in training camp in 2008 and bringing He Who Shall Not Be Named. Maybe we shouldn’t blame him for that since it worked out at first, but being that damn stubborn at the end of the year to keep throwing the ball when Thomas Jones and Leon Washington were both having career years.
Last year you mostly give him a pass because Sanchez was such an inexperienced QB and he played so horribly. Of course, it did seem like he was putting too much on Sanchez at times (I mean for a former QB coach he sure seemed to not be aware of what he could do), but we ran the ball with the best of them. Was that because of Schotty or because of Callahan? The world may never know. And let’s not forget that Rex told him they had to scale the offense down at some point too. But then THIS year he comes out and all of a sudden he expects Sanchez to be this gunslinging world-beater right out the gate. And it’s like he doesn’t realize he’s not until Week 15. And I’ve already detailed the other stubborn things and mishandling of talent from this year in previous posts.
Callahan and Schotty
Pointing out that Jets haven’t finished highly in offensive ratings and blaming it all on Schotty is extremely misguided. Everyone has talked about the qb changes and if no one has convinced you yet, it will never happen. Someone pointed out how bad the Jets are in the 1st quarter, never receiving the kickoff to start doesn’t help, but you’re probably right, 1st quarter must get better.
My issue is this idea that Bill Callahan is “teh awesome” and that he should be promoted or something. Bill Callahan has been a excellent offensive line coach, but just like Steve Addazio at Florida, just because a guy can coach a line, does not mean he can run an offense. Bill Callahan went 12-4 using Jon Gruden’s system and went to the Super Bowl, which is impressive. What was not so good, is that he never changed the offensive calls and the Bucs knew every audible. He then went to Nebraska as a west coast offense guru, destroyed their offense and was such a disaster administratively that the program is just now digging itself out.
Schotty is far from perfect and those who want him gone (I don’t) have some good points, but doing it in the name of keeping Bill Callahan is most definitely NOT the right decision.
Dennis Thurman
Sorry for a double post, but I think Dennis Thurman is the coach that tweet may refer to. When I first heard Mattison left the Ravens, I figured Thurman would have been a candidate. Rex always talks about valuable Thurman is in gameplanning. I would think he’s the guy.
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