Joe McKnight over Chauncy Washington?
by P_Funk on Sep 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
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PrintDoes anyone really understand the logic of the decision to retain McKnight over Washington? Do you agree with the decision? After all the criticism he received from Rex, and after being outplayed by Washington, was he given weight simply because he is a rookie? I can't even argue that he'll be used as a returner, since it seems like he won't even be on the active roster. Please offer any insight you might have.
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Please McKnight is twice the talent CWash is...
I dont know if he will ever reach his potential, but its way to early to give up on him. CWash is a journeyman RB, there were probably a dozen similar players released the last two weeks, and available any time during the season. Can we have some perspective here, this is CWash’s third team, and it’s not like he ever tore it up anywhere. I understand everyones down on McKnight, and odds are he may never amount to anything, but even with whats gone on CWash odds are a 100x greater.
Lets not get crazy over Washington, he has bounced around a couple years and he had a nice showing in the pre-season, but the chances are that he’ll never be more than a #3 back at best.
McKnight has had issues, but he’s a 4th round draft pick in his first camp. You don’t give up on home run potential like McKnight who has showed us his explosion because Washington had a nice pre-season camp. He’s not the first rookie to battle fumbling problems and he won’t be the last. The potential of McKnight is a lot more than the potential of Washington. You don’t give up on that kind of potential after one rocky rookie pre-season, you just don’t do it. Give him time.
This shouldn’t even be a case against case question, if anything it should be do you agree with keeping Woodhead over Chauncey, not McKnight over Chauncey.
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by David_Wyatt on Sep 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This.
Why is Rudy on the team?
People like him because he is little and white. He can’t make anywhere close to the impact of McKnight, but people like him because he is a feel good story. I mean he won’t actually ever help the team (not a rookie either like JM, 3rd year now), but that doesn’t matter. He’s got heart and we love him! Who cares if he isn’t good?
YES
I understand the logic. McKnight came to the Jets through the draft CW came through free agency. A fourth round draft pick is very valuable if that player pans out down the road. Much as I feel McKnight is a bust, I can’t really prove it and I can not blame the Jets for sticking with him. If he turns out to be a steal, I hate for that steal to be discovered by another team. The way McKnight came to the team justifies giving a chance to develop.
I was pretty high on McKnight when drafted, but
I’m telling you this guy is a Ferrari that is ALWAYS going to be in the shop, and by that I mean the mental shop. The one thing a pro player needs which is perseverance and fortitude he jjust does not have. He just grew up way too fast, and got way too much cred for his skills/talents and lacks a maturity of person to deal with the pressure of winning football. I suspect that this is a deep character flaw.
Keeping him is just chasing a dream that will not be caught. CW on the other hand is a get the hands dirty guy. Yes, he is replaceable, but every edge-of-the-roster guy is. He just adds MORE to the team. Do I really want McKnight returning punts during a pressure game? No I do not. He will put the ball on the ground and look doe-eyed. He just doesn’t get, and actually is worse at bringing his talents regularly to the field than his big brother Bush (who hasn’t been a “bust”, but is a little busted himself). CW is what the squad should be about right now, trench guys. The fact is JM isn’t the kind of guy you would ever want to have in regular pressure situations. He has the talent to do three great plays, and the brain to do one huge bad play that can flat out lose a game for you.
I would love to be wrong on this, but I don’t think I am. If we cut him I’m pretty sure Seattle is not picking him up. And that says a lot.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
I find it interesting that you presume to know
about things like how fast he grew up, and what type or fortitude he has, seeing as how he hasn’t even played real football yet. You also know enough of him to question his maturity? These are things you couldn’t possibly pretend to know, and now you are basing your opinions of him as a football player on these things?
I bet you Seattle doesn’t pick up Chauncey Washington either, who also played at USC under Pete Carrol.
The Chauncey Washington you guys hadn't heard of a month ago,
and the guy you all ignored when discussing running back depth around draft time, even when he was mentioned here a couple of times? That Chauncey Washington? I agree, I like the kid, but Joe Mcknight is ridiculously talented, he is super fast and a very good pass catcher. So what, a rookie had the fumbles in his first preseason. Kid is a baby, probably was just nervous. His first NFL football experience, he doesn’t know the speed of the NFL, because you can’t until you play a game
The funny thing is, that 4 years ago, Leon would have been the odd man out and never even became Leon if it were up to you, because he was than what Joe McKnight is now…. a baby, who used his great speed in college and had to adjust to NFL football between the tackles, where everybody is fast. The only reason Leon was successful (to an extent) as a rookie was because the Jets backfield was in complete shambles and he saw a ton of time. Think about it, if we had a certified running back that year, and a certified number 2 running back behind him at that, would you guys have even wanted Leon on the team? He averaged 2.9 YPC in his rookie year in preseason ball, and Derrick Blaylock averaged 3.7, Cedrick Houston 4.0.
So what if we had 2 running backs that year and instead of all 3 of the above guys making the squad, we only had room for one? Would you have left Leon out in the cold because of a crappy preseason? That would have been a shame. He would have never became Leon as a Jet, possibly not anywhere, and we would have missed out. So just give Joe McKnight a second to breathe here, perhaps even one real football game! Because I have sait it before, and will continue to say it until you all believe me, Joe McKnight IS Leon Washington.
btw,
I left out of my post above, Cedric Houston had some similarities with Washington. Bruising runner, push the pile type, I actually always thought he would have stuck in the league, but he didn’t. Anyway, not saying that Washington (Chauncey) won’t make it, I would love to get him onto the practice squad, but I am just saying give McKnight time. His talent will show. Leon was basically a punt returner and a 3rd down screen type back, which is all we really need Joe to be. If he learns to run inside, all the better. We don’t even need him to really do that much this year because of LT, so let’s just wait and see what a full year of practicing against the Jets defense does for him. It will probably make or break him, because the only thing I think can stop him is mental. He’s got the physical tools, and I know nothing of his mental toughness or weakness. I won’t hold any rookie camp mishaps against him, that’s why these guys are rookie. If it happens again next year, it’s a problem.
Kid is a baby, probably was just nervous.
No. He’s just a baby. A spoiled USC baby, and not likely to grow up. Leon was never a baby like this.
But if you want to collect other ridiculously talented USC babies, Matt Leinart can be had for bag of tennis balls.
And honestly I am no USC hater. Its just that some of the players that come through there are incredibly pampered and rather immature.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a USC hater, just somebody who makes baseless claims about the mental toughness, maturity, fortitude, and other things about a player that he couldn’t have any possible way of knowing whether are true or not.
Wait, let me check, maybe there is a guy in the CFL with McKnight's skills.
Keep it straight.
On one side of your mouth you went on about how lucky Revis was to be playing and suggested that you could find talented replacements in the CFL, and on the other side of your mouth you think that a 4th round draft pick who his own college coach didn’t want, and has shown no mental toughness in college, suddenly is irreplaceable.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How come
you feel like you need to stretch the truth and take out of context things I said and use them as arguments for your point? Are you that uncomfortable with your ability to come up with sound reasoning?
You contradict yourself left and right, and when doing it you usually throw in a hefty dose of profanity. What is one to do?
The idea that a 4th round draft pick is too talented to let go, but the defensive player of the year should just be “left to rot”, I don’t know, just silliness.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You present the situations as if they are the same,
if Revis hadn’t held out, and showed up at training camp, would I say let him rot? Of course not. If McKnight was asking for 160 million dollars, would I say we have to keep him? Of course not. I know that you know this, I don’t even know why I bring it up. You are way to smart to play stupid.
And maybe Matt Leinart can play?
We wouldn’t know, he has never gotten a chance. Kind of hard to when you are playing behind a hall of famer though.
Yeah, he never got a chance to show himself in practice.
Yeah, the whole team doesn’t know who the real Matt Leinart is? Maybe he’s a great QB, and Arizona knows nothing about football or QBs…or not.
Last I checked Leinart was kept on the bench by an ancient grocery bagger who you love, and a guy who couldn’t even really hold onto the Browns job.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It is interesting though
that you don’t mention that grocery bagger is going to be a first ballot hall of famer.
I never said I loved him either.
All I actually ever said was the Warner bagged groceries, and from that you took that I think CFL players are suitable replacements for Revis, and have used that as your main defense to every point that I raise.
Like I said, you can have the incredibly talented Leinart for a bag of balls.
Tanny was just asked and said that he was happy with Clemens and Father Time as back ups.
If Leinart is so great, why isn’t he being scooped up?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Scooped up?
You know he is on a team right. He was a free agent for a couple hours.
Yeah, he was REAL coveted in the league.
Leinart, who was released by the Arizona Cardinals on Saturday, arrives with the knowledge that his availability generated little interest from the rest of the N.F.L. Arizona had shopped him around and found no takers. Among the teams that passed on him was Seattle, where Leinart’s college coach, Pete Carroll, presides.
Carroll had his greatest success at U.S.C. with Leinart, but he apparently would prefer to rebuild his team with the veteran Matt Hasselbeck and Hasselbeck’s eventual heir, Charlie Whitehurst, whom the Seahawks traded draft picks to acquire even though he has never attempted a pass in the N.F.L.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was coveted.
You asked why he hadn’t been scooped up yet, I informed you that he indeed had been picked up.
Why do you resort to making things up again? You said earlier that I was just some idiot who cursed too much, so in that case, it should be easy to take apart my arguments without you putting words in my mouth or making ridiculous claims based on things you took from my posts out of context.
you said “maybe he is a good QB he never got a chance” (paraphrased), implying that he was short-changed. Nobody in the league wants him. I don’t care if he was “picked up” he’s a first round pick, ie. “bust”.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No I didn't
I said maybe Leinart can play (notice the questionmark)? We wouldn’t know if he can play or not. He hasn’t ever gotten to play.
Change the subject again though I see. Because I never said he was coveted, I never even said he’s not a bust, I just said there is no way of knowing yet.
What does “maybe he can play” and how does that differ from “maybe he is a good quarterback”??
Do you mean maybe he can stand under center and catch the ball when it is hiked? Yeah, I think maybe he can do that.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying that until he gets a chance to start for an NFL team,
you can’t really say he sucks. Sitting behind Warner is not a knock. For what it’s worth, I think Arizona made a big mistake in cutting him.
getting booted off a team that drafted you number 1 is a knock.
This just in.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
but I believe they made a big mistake.
Also, it was the same team that drafted him number 1, but nobody running the Cards now has any loyalty towards Leinart because he wasn’t picked under Whisenhunt.
For somebody who accuses me of bringing nothing to the table intellectually, you don’t seem to be providing me with a better example of what to do.
Obviously you would say getting cut is a knock, but obviously I just told you I thought it was a big mistake. Telling me the Cardinals cut him means he is a bust doesn’t work if I just told you I thought the Cardinals messed up by cutting him.
Michael Jordan once got cut by his highschool basketball team.
No, I am not comparing MJ to Matt Leinart. You don’t have to get 100 posts ready about how I said Leinart is the next Michael Jordan. All I am saying is people make judgements in error all the time.
but I believe they made a big mistake.
then how come nobody in the NFL wanted to trade for him, including his ex-coach? Is the WHOLE NFL making a mistake?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it was obvious he was going to be cut?
I thought you were done responding.
Washington outplayed him in preseason
but for the last 2 years clowney outplayed pretty much every receiver in the league in preseason too so we can’t base who is better on these exhibition games. Would I like to see Chauncy get a shot at RB behind the Jets line, yes i would I think he would work very well in the running style that the jets use. Seeing that McKnight is being kept I think he just needs to adjust to the speed of the nfl and get over his reggie bush mentality of being able to score every time he touches the ball no matter what. I think they should start him out slow and only give him a few touches a game, mostly screens and pitches, so he can get used to the speed of nfl defenses while being in his element of open field. After he masters that then move on to running it up the gut because right now he is terrible at identifying the holes and running between the tackles. He has a lot of potential and could very well be a great player but just needs to adjust. McKnight could very well add a lot of finesse to this smash mouth, run the ball down your throat football team.
He has a lot of potential and could very well be a great player but just needs to adjust.
A GREAT player????
Come on now.
And he never “adjusted” even to college to becomes a “great” college player. I guess I just am not one for guys that had everything going for them in college and couldn’t pull it off (just WHY did JM not make it big in college in a powerhouse team?), and imagining that when they get to the pros things are going to be different. It very seldom works that way in life.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I think its because they thought of him as the next Reggie and he tried too hard to fill those shoes. Here, they are going to try to mold him into a complete back. They will break him down and build him back up. And I think that if LD has a successful season, you will see McKnight begin to pattern his game after him rather than Bush. But his first step is to learn how to read zone blocking and how to use his explosiveness vertically rather than horizontally.
I think he will be fine. But he has to shed both the Reggie and the Leon expectations. I think he can do that once the season starts and nobody cares about him anymore. Nobody will be judging him and grading his performances. No more articles will be written about him. The pressure will be relieved and he can focus more on football, instead of trying to prove himself on every single run.
Greene had to adjust a bit too. I think LD is a great mentor for the kid, he has exactly the kind of style that McKnight would be most successful patterning himself after. Also would like the kid to hook up with Tiki in the off-season about securing the ball. He needs to carrying it more high and tight.
Honestly, I think its because they thought of him as the next Reggie and he tried too hard to fill those shoes.
Please give me the player who became “great” but couldn’t becomes great in college because he “tried too hard”. Honestly, I can’t think of anyone like that, but I am perfectly open to some examples.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re misrepresenting what i’m saying and you’re putting too much stress on fli’x use of the ter “great.” I didn’t take it to be as literal as you seem to be taking it. You seem to be taking it in a sense of HOF greatness. I think he meant it like Leon was great. More like a great Jet than an all time great.
And the point i was making wasn’t that he tried too hard. It was more that he was misused. I think the USC scouts and coaches saw a lot of similarities between him and Bush and they tried to create that with McKnight (and McKnight actually bought into that). I think he needs to unlearn that to an extent before we can see who he really is. He’s got a bigger frame than Bush and should be able to run with more physicallity and durability. Once he learns how to run in the NFL, he can showcase his talent a lot more. But he still needs to learn the offense and adjust.
Even the great ones (which i’m not saying he is) typically need more time than just a pre-season to adjust to the NFL.
I think he meant it like Leon was great.
Leon when he got hurt was one of the bests change of pace players in the game, at the Sproles level. Please then give me the guy who became as good as Sproles but couldn’t cut it in college because he “tried too hard”.
I just don’t by the “tried too hard” excuse. Maybe he “tried too hard” on an individual play, making mistakes trying to hit home runs, but did he “try too hard” in the weight room (he claimed that he sucked in training camp because he “tried too hard” in the weight room). Did he “try too hard” in the film room? Did he “try too hard” in meetings?
Very few players truly suck when the REALLY “try hard”.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems disingenuous
too say he sucked in college. He actually average well over 6 yards a carry. You don’t have to think that he will be a good pro, but saying he sucked in college doesn’t make it true.
He sucked to what he was supposed to be.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He averaged over 6 yards a carry.
6.5 to be exact. That doesn’t suck. Not at all. He can’t control would people expected of him.
I watched him at USC. It wasn’t the expectations. It was that he was horribly inconsistent. Full of potential, full of inconsistency. He will be nothing other than that as a pro.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask USC fans. Ask his coach who didn’t want him.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Did his coach actually not want him?
Or did he just not prefer him to Leon Washington? A guy that we couldn’t afford? You did all that talk about rebetting, well, that’s what the Jets did. Leon is making much more money then McKnight. Just because Pete Carrol didn’t pick McKnight over Leon doesn’t mean he doesn’t like him as a player.
Yeah, he preferred Washington, Washington coming off a severe injury, a player the Jets were willing to give up on. He could have moved to draft McKnight if he had any belief in him.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why should I ask USC fans or his coach?
USC fans and his coach didn’t say he will never be anything other then inconsistent as a pro. You said it, so I’m asking you.
based on watching him. I watch and follow LA football, do you?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I watch a lot of Pac 10 football,
having lived in Arizona for a few years.
Then we disagree on what I we each saw. I found him to be a very inconsistent college player who benefited from huge holes and running into the secondary, expanding his running average way beyond normal.
He was really untested in college on a stacked team, and should have played at a much higher level given his skills and the kind team he was on.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So now it is his teams fault for being too good,
so that impressive stats he accumulated don’t count? You can say the same thing about any good college player, they benefit from playing on a stacked roster against weaker competition.
Don’t you know how to evaluate players?
You take the team into account, especially in college. You have to decide if a player is a “system” guy or his true talent for the NFL. If a guy runs through huge holes that anyone can run through and isn’t a tackle breaker, you have to assess if he is actually much of a player.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay,
than why did you just cite all the other RB stats?
To show that it is a system stat. He makes good of the O-line because once passed the line his speed takes over, but frankly he needs a huge escort for his yards.
Siting his huge ypc stat as if he is a tackle-breaking, yard churning machine is misleading.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but all we need is for his speed to take over once he is past the line
he wasn’t brought in to run between the tackles.
I didn't cite his stats
as if anything. I just cited them. They are what they are, people can take them for what they will. Again, I never said anything about JM being a yard churning, tackle breaking machine.
Just another example of you taking what I said and making it into something totally different.
JM
didn’t average less then 3.8 YPC in any game this year. He did that once, 3.9 twice, 4.2 once. He average over 5 YPC in every other game(8 other games). Seems pretty consistent. You just seem to being harsh on a kid after his rookie preseason because you don’t like him for this reason or that one.
in 2009 the top five rushing averages on the Trojans:
McKnight 6.6
Bradford 5.8
Johnson 4.9
Havili 6.6
Bradford in one game already is averaging 9.1
Inconsistency is a play to play question, not a year to year question.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
bradford had 115 carries.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and was much less productive then McKnight was while shouldering a heavy workload.
I know though, the line blocked awesome for McKnight but they didn’t block for Bradford right, so Bradford is better?
“heavy workload”????
165 carries. Do you know anything about football?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I done arguing with someone who doesn’t understand football.
Cheers. Good luck finding more great talent in the CFL.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, there it is.
CFL jokes.
So answer me this, since you havent still. If I know nothing about football, why do you continually bring up this CFL silliness?
every response you have made to me,
is based on things I have never even said. Seems lazy on your past, I’m such a bumbling idiot, I should be easy to outsmart, what with all the idiotic nonsense I have posted you would think you wouldn’t have to resort to tired CFL jokes.
McKnight simply doesnt have the heart or the head to play at the next level. He had the same issues at usc, where he never was close to the player he was envisioned to be upon recruitment, but the coaches fell in love with his motor skills and his similarities to a departed heisman winner. Ask a usc fan what they think of Joe McKnight. He’s nothing like Leon Washington, who impressed the coaching staff with his work effort and commitment upon his arrival. Leon did have his maturity issues, there’s no doubt there, but he worked past them once he got to a nfl camp. McKnight is the same prima donna he was at usc, which is ironic because, if he were more self aware he would realize that’s he’s no longer a big fish in a small pond. This attitude will just slow if not stop his progress and not help him get past his ball security issues. He’s far more of a liability to this team than an asset, especially with him slated to be the teams top pr. I’d take a bag of used footballs over him.
USC is a small pond?
Lol.
I find it incredibly laughable that you guys act like you have inside information.
Just because you guys don’t like somebody it doesn’t mean they have maturity issues.
“Please, please, please don’t compare me to the great Reggie Bush!!! Its not fair! I’m my own man! I can’t handle it! In fact I can’t handle it soooo much I’m going straight to the NFL where I can be a bust faster than you can blink.”
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You usually aren't supposed to put quotations
around sentences that aren’t real quotes. Just saying.
Did I break the dookiehead rules?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
it was dookiehead who first told people they shouldn’t quote sentences that nobody actually said, while trying to pass them off as real quotes.
Only dookiehead got confused and thought that McKnight actually said that.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it even possible that a 4th rounder is a bust.
The chance a 4th rounder makes it as an impact player in the NFL is minimal, at best.
First of all he is a bust in his own mind because he didn’t think he was going to be a 4tth round pick. Second of all he is threatening to be a bust because your 4th round player is supposed to make your team, and I’m sure there are people who thought about cutting him. I suspect that he would already have been cut if they didn’t blow a 4th round pick on him.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the small pond is the college landscape
not surprisingly you fail to see the big picture shithead. Also, the classic writing of “I need $” on his eyeblack as a message to boosters isnt a sign of immaturity? and stupidity of course. you and McKnight are like 2 peas in a pod.
lol
shithead? Good one. Can you email me that, so I don’t forget it?
Ask a usc fan what they think of Joe McKnight. He’s nothing like Leon Washington
You don’t have to ask an SC fan, you can ask Pete Carroll who had enough of McKnight close up, and preferred Washington. In fact he preferred the much doubted L. White who already is gone, and they just released the much touted Julius Jones.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Who cares?
When has Pete Carrol ever proven to be a smart NFL coach? College coach, sure, he is an icon, NFL? Who knows.
Dude. Carroll was McKnight's coach.
Is there any person ALIVE who has a better idea of what McKnight is made of as a football player? I mean, beside you.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, just you.
And not only do you know about what he ismade of as a football player, but you know his entire mental makeup, based on a couple preseason games. Hehe.
I mean, just sit back and think about this. You mock me for giving my opinion of McKnight as a football player, but you than presume a whole bunch of random things about the kids personality that you could never have any way of knowing.
All I know is that his college coach didn’t really want him, after having seen him up close, and that coach had no problem with damaged goods he had seen up close, as he traded for White.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
All that proves is that Pete Carroll is apparently an idiot
First of all, he trades for a dude on one leg. We still have no idea if Leon’s ever gonna be the same. But that’s relatively minor, at least in comparison to other stupid shit he’s done so far.
Secondly, as you mentioned—he traded for LandWhale White. …And then promptly cut his ass. Clearly, this shows that Carroll really knows his ex-players very well.
Thirdly, and probably most tellingly, he had I’m sure an absolutely awesome chance to pick up his former QB at USC Matt Leinart, who even if he thinks he’s garbage, he should have picked up simply because he was a playing for a god-damned division rival—who by the way even with Derek Anderson at the helm would likely destroy them. Even ignoring the fact that Leinart played for him, why wouldn’t you pick up your rival’s freshly-cut free agent QB? That’s like NFL coaching strategy 101 right there. Moreover, however bad Seattle’s QB situation is right now, Leinart’s probably better than all of them except Hasselbeck. As soon as I saw on ESPN that Leinart got cut I was like REUNION TIIIIIIME and then I hear “oh the Texans picked him up, wtf!? Pete CarrLOL”
But make no mistake
I’m still pretty sure McKnight is a bust, I totally agree with you there. Just had to regulate a bit, lol
JM
After picking JM in the 4th round I think they really want to give him a chance and maybe mature and kick some a**. Even though I wanted CW on the team to provide other ground and pound runner if JM gets his head out of his a** he could be very valuable. The only concern is after Green who is the pounders at RB besides the FB’s. A good thing is RB’s are the easier top come by than almost any other position. If our line plays as good or better than last year any pounder with heart would do well. That’s the thing I liked about CW he has heart.
I didn't vote
Because there was no “ambivalent” option. We’re talking about a 3rd RB/special teamer. I would have been fine with either, because either will benefit in their limited playing time behind our O-line and TRich or the Terminator. I’d give a slight edge to McKnight because I think he helps more as a returner.
Hopefully now that Wilson is off corner duty
Wilson can return to returning duty, and keep JM from helping us as a returner.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But what if he fumbles
and proves how immature he is?
When Wilson starts acting like McKnight, let me know.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll leave you to figure that out.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys need to chill
Can’t we all just get along? It’s not like either of these guys is the second coming of Barry Sanders.
by BWJ on Sep 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask kv
all he seems capable of doing is responding to every post I make, saying something sarcastic about the CFL, lol, because I made a one line post about Kurt Warner like a week ago.
Honestly it was your endless and repeated profane posts
that put you on my list. Not to mention that you make very little sense.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Again,
if I make little sense, and I am just a profane troll with nothing to add, than how come you have to repeatedly put words in my mouth, or take sentences out of context to make your points? If I am such a moron, why can’t you just debate reasonably without resorting to stuff that you know is silly.
Like, do you actually think that I think any CFL player is capable of replacing Revis. I know that you know that I never said anything of the sort. So, if I am such a moron, than why resort to such childish tactics? My arguments should be easily picked apart, with “cheating”, so to speak.
I know very well what you said in the midst of your profanity laden rants. And it was inane.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Proving my point further.
If this is the case, why do you continually resort to making things up about me, or taking things out of context, making a case that I said things you know I didn’t mean the way you are portraying them.
Again, do you really think that I feel like and CFL player could have replaced Revis? Why couldn’t you have used one of my “inane profanity laden rants” to prove what a moron I am? Instead of more or less making stuff up?
I don’t make up anything about you. I capture the absurdity of your profanity laden points.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you actually believe that.
You would have everyone believe that I think any CFL player can replace Revis. You have said it numerous times already. You and I both know I never said anything like that. Again, why don’t you quote my profanity laden rants to disprove me, instead of using things I never said?
Hustle.
I’d rather a guy hustle and play on ore than one team (offense AND special teams) than a guy who has “quickness out of the backfield.”
Joe McFumble has done nothing to impress me. Are you really going to blame it on nerves?? This is your chance to prove yourself. Stay on your feet, hit the hole, and have the announcers call your name for good reasons.
Chauncey has shown me that he wants to be on the field at all times. He lit up the Carolina guy on the punt return. He recovered a fumble in the Eagles games. All out of hustle. All heart. McFumble’s got nothing.
heart
McKnight has more talent like some are saying but that doesn’t mean crap especially in the NFL. I think they want to make this work so they kept him. CW did have an awesome preseason and does deserve to be on the team more. But this is they way it goes sometimes. Maybe McKnight can go visit the wizard of oz and ask for a heart.
or maybe he will just grow up a little bit
and stop fumbling the ball, as is the case with most rookie, and you guys will be all over his dick when he returns his first punt for a TD.
Joe McKnight is the one who would contribute on ST, not CW.
Just because Chauncey Washington put a smack on somebody on one punt return (after a 20 yard return by the way) doesn’t make him a special teams ace or something. Funny, you guys ignored him when his name was brought up, now he should be on the team based on like 10 plays against second teamers? I like him too, but good god you people are silly.
You Like McFumble Because...
He’s a 2010 4th round pick. He’s the flashy guy from USC. If McKnight was a 6th rounder was TCU you wouldn’t think this kid deserves a shot. You’d think Washington, hey a kid from USC, deserves the spot.
USC is a tad overrated in the NFL. Admit it, you like McFumble cause of what he did in college, not what he’s doing now.
Of course you stick with McKnight because of what he did in college. Thats all you have to go on. Well that and 70 explosive punt return. Washington has been around for 3 years and has shown he’s not an NFL caliber player. He has yet to make the rister anywhere for any significant amount of time. Washington has been in our system for 2 years and has does nothing tothis point to gain notice. Despitethe fumbles, McKnight has at least shown flashes of ability and his contribution on specials as a return guy has far exceeded anything Washington has done.
So yeah, if it came down to the 2, you go with the guy who actually has potential to be an NFL player rather than the one who will be out of the NFL after this season.
Are you inferring I am a Trojan fan?
I am a Miami Hurricane fan, I also root for Rutgers. USC has nothing to do with it. If he was a 6th rounder that did what McKnight did in college and had the same open field explosiveness as McKnight, then damn right I’d want to keep him. I get why people like Chauncey, but he wouldn’t make as much sense as JM for this team. He can’t catch passes and return punts, McKnight can. Washington is a between the tackles runner, and there are no reps available in that area right now. Ladainian and Greene are getting those carries, the couple of downs when we want to pass, and LT needs a blow, McKnight will get in. Maybe he will return some punts/kicks. That’s it. If Greene or LT is out at any point, I am sure Chauncey is the first guy in line.
and if that happens,
I would guess Chauncey steps right in and gets more touches than McKnight does if he has to replace LT or Greene in any given game, because that’s what he does.
I honestly think that if Chauncey was the 4th round pick and McKnight was the undrafted guy it could still have turned out this way because McKnight just fits the 53 man roster better than Chauncey, right now. I don’t think it was about not wanting to admit they messed up a draft pick or anything like that.
I have no hate for McKnight, and I’m not going to knock a guy who still needs to learn the intricacies of the pro game, but Chauncey Washington played hard and did prove himself a viable option. Sometimes it takes guys a few years to break out, the fact that he’s bounced around to a few teams before means nothing. If I am a team that need a RB, I am taking a long hard look at this guy. I think letting him go could ultimately be a decision that we regret.
I agree.
I like Chauncey, but Chauncey is a power runner who would probably just sit behind LT and Greene and not even touch the ball this year, because he is the same mold as Green and he can’t help in the receiving game. McKnight is far more raw, but helps in an area we actually need some help in this year. He can catch the ball and return the ball. Plus, as we saw, Chauncey got thru to the PS, which McKnight wouldn’t have been able to.
CW
I’m one of those who wanted CW for special teams and RB. Yeah he would sit behind LT and SG but if one went down it would be a concern to rely one just one of them to pound and LT though runs between tackles is not a pounder. Plus it would be nice if we have the lead and want to pound the yds to run the clock I would put CW in instead of using LT or SG. Keep them suckers fresh. Never liked it when teams had a big lead and still had their starting QB and RB’s out there wearing out and risking injury. But I don’t run the team. lol
JM is a homerun hitter and more talented, but he needs to get a heart, get his head out of his a** and strap on some balls. GO JETS!
I think what it came down to is
maybe CW would have been better right now, but the team felt it was in their best interest to practice squad chauncey so that both guys stay on the team. Kind of like optioning down a talented minor leaguer at the end of spring training because he has options and the other guy doesn’t
Give Chauncey credit for playing hard and almost making this team.
With what he’s shown,he’ll be picked up by someone in this league.
usc overrated
Was it USC that had the most Hall of Famers and pro bowlers than any other college?
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