More Cost-Cutting: Jets Release Tony Richardson
by Matt Birch on Sep 5, 2010 8:32 PM EDT
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Last week, the Jets cut long-time Jet, veteran WR Laveranues Coles.
Today, they have released FB Tony Richardson, after Rex was quoted last week as saying he'd be "very shocked" if they released Richardson. Well, Rex, and the rest of us Jets fans, are now very shocked, as the Jets had a perfect blend of leadership with young talent in himself and John Conner.
In this cost-cutting move, which is undoubtedly to save up money for CB Darrelle Revis, the Jets will likely try to bring him back after week 1. However, other NFL teams may have their eye on him for a short-term, one-year deal. If Richardson wanted to spite the Jets for cutting him, he could either go somewhere else for a year or retire.
Richardson was to retire last season, but told the Jets he would come back for one more season. The 15-year veteran has always been a consistent fullback in the NFL. As far as the depth chart goes, the Jets now have no one to backup FB John Conner.
Thomas Jones, Alan Faneca, Jay Feely, and now Richardson. When will the cost-cutting and releasing of the locker room leaders end?
Could this be the reason? (Per Manish's Twitter)
BREAKING: Rex Ryan & Revis met in Fla this weekend 2discuss contract impasse. No resolution yet. But lines of communication open
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And really the only two I have a problem with is...
TRich, and Feely, and TRich only for the leadership aspect. In actuality aside from Feely I think they have improved every position (although LG is very debatable, but long term I understood the move)
I think Chauncey Washington will be listed as FB2?
But I honestly have no idea
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In my eyes though, I agree with you.
There is no backup FB on that team. They may try to move Washington there, but who knows really. This move shocked me..
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Yeah and I thought we cut Washington
But I mean I’m hoping T-rich has some side deal to come back like Coles, but even then I’m confused because it would be a 1 year contract in an uncapped year, then you think AD isn’t coming to fill in for Pace.
Coles doesn't have a side deal to come back
they just hoped that he would still be interested if they wound up needing him down the stretch.
He’s already said he isn’t.
This will be a good of Hard Knocks eh?
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Sep 5, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not confirmed yet
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Last thing I heard, was in a talk with Washington’s agent, the Jets PLANNED to waive him, and move to practice squad.
Nothing confirmed yet
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Oh, It's Not for Revis
They’re not cost cutting to save up money for Revis, they’re just doing it so they can make the team younger. Although a smart team tries to go younger when these “young guys” have a measure of experience.
Seriously, of the veterans we’ve cut, who have we replaced them with?
Jay Feely – Nick Folk: Disaster Level Downgrade
Alan Faneca – Slauson/Ducasse: Severe Downgrade
Thomas Jones/Leon Washington – Shonn Greene/LT: Minor Downgrade
Tony Richardson – John Connor: Time will tell
Marques Douglas – Mike Devito/Vernon Gholston: Maybe an upgrade
My point is, not only do we lose value as far as a playing standpoint is concerned, we also lose a lot of veteran leadership, which a lot of young guys playing in a big city environment like NYC really need. We’ve signed a few veterans to be sure, but we don’t have to throw some of our team’s top performers for the sake of a few bucks – does anyone here HONESTLY think that Richardson being cut will be the difference between the Jets re-signing Revis and letting him stay on holdout? Come on…
Disagree with all of those aside from Feely, and thats just minor downgrade and...
Faneca-Slauson which is minor downgrade. The other three I would say we upgraded, although Conner can not replace TRich’s experience.
I don’t see how these cost cutting moves have anything to do with Revis. This is an uncapped year, and these moves don’t save that much money. Maybe it’s a move for cheaper free agents like maybe an Adalius Thomas. Cutting players like Coles and Rich wouldn’t be enough to help sign Revis.
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by rxmeister on Sep 5, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hear you but to me
If your going to go for it all with Edwards and Holmes and Cromartie etc, when you know you can’t sign all three next year you have to go for it this year, not start cutting corners then it sends mix messages to me.
Mike T. straight up TOLD Coles last week that they were cutting him to save money for Revis
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On Hard Knocks
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Yeah?
And what happens when Revis says, “Sorry, it looks like you need me more than I need you. The price has just gone up.”
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean that. I just so frustrated right now.
With Tannenbaum, with Johnson, with Revis, with those ESPN creepers, and those stupid smug Dol-triot fans.
I’m not saying they’re right, it’s disgusting what they did.
Just giving their rationalization behind the move.
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Yeah but thats a load of bull. Woody said a while back that money wasn’t the issue. It was back when specualtion was rampant that the reason they hadn’t signed Revis yet was because of cash flow problems due to the new stadium. Woody vehemently denied this, stating that they have never had an issue signing any player they wanted since he’s been the owner.
So somebody is full of it. Either Rex/Tanny or Woody. And whether we sign Revis or not, he won’t be the last player to take a hard line with this FO now.
I think Rex
was trying his damnedest to keep T. Rich on the team. But his word only goes so far in personnel decisions. Right now I wholeheartedly blame Mike T for this mess of an offseason. Of course I don’t know all the details…
Well, if the Jets wanted me to lose all my confidence for this season, I just did. Thanks Mke T!
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devils and stuff...
I get less and less optimistic every day.
I’m starting to return to the cliche ‘pessimistic Jets fan’
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Honestly,
I just keep losing more and more confidence in this team’s leadership as the offseason goes on. Even if we do get Revis, we’re still going to have problems up the you-know-what unless and until we WIN THE SUPERBOWL. If we can’t do that, all of these BS moves will have been completely for nothing.
T-Rich was my favorite
no more “…and the home of the JETS!” :(
I hate the Dodgers, Patriots, Dolphins, and terroirsts
Actually, “and the home of the Jets” has been a game winning chant way, way before T-Rich came. At least as far back as when Herm was HC, the Jets have been doing that chant after every win.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Perception is reality.
Fit to be tied
If you keep anybody on IN SPITE of salary reasons it should be Richardson.
We had an uncapped year with a near perfect roster. When we seriously downgraded the kicker I could handle it. Could handle Faneca and Jones walking away for nothing. Could swallow the crappy picks in the secondary rounds of the draft and the trading of a mediocre safety for an unreliable oft-injured one. Took the unwillingness to hire cheap band aids like AT in stride.
For some reason this is the breaking point for me. Business is one thing but these are absolutely retarded business decisions. If this is all for Revis then screw him. I’ve never been so tempted to not watch a Jets opener in my life.
T Rich
Just got home a got a big surprise, they released T Rich. Man this guy gave his all for the team and came back one more year for them. If another team picks him up and we lose a veteran leader, more than TJ and AF.
I know CW and Clowney were on the bubble anytime if we pick up players but T Rich, unreal. I guess they really believe in the terminator, he flattens people.
I agree with you
I know this may seem reactionary to some but I’m not buying any tickets this year.
Don’t even know if I’m gonna watch the first game. Maybe when they get serious about winning and bring back the real roster after week 1.
LOL
Man, are you guys overreacting to end of roster decisions! I’m not happy with Richardson being cut, but to act like it’s the end of the world, and like you’re going to pull a Revis like holdout is really silly. Conner beat him out in the coaches eyes, and they decided to save some money, simple as that. There’s plenty of leaders left on this team.
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by rxmeister on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol @ Conner being superior
Tell you what buddy, you go ahead and buy a ticket and have fun watching the terminator and whatever else just short of scab football they have to sell you.
I’ve ALWAYS sided with the FO in my lifetime as a fan, for the sake of the team and it’s overall well being. The cost cutting and cheapness in the face of overwhelming opportunity is unacceptable from a franchise valued so high in an uncapped year. Especially with an anchor of the team like our bulldozer of a fullback.
But screw the top scoring, best blocking, most dedicated team players you come out of retirement or keep the salaries low. We don’t need them.
No…I’m not overreacting. This is where I draw the line as a fan. This is when I withhold my dollars.
Let’s see how much you agree with the moves when your billion dollar teams frugality buys you a losing season.
I’m against them cutting him, as I said, but it’s just not that big. Richardson is old, and don’t think you know more than the coaches because you watch Hard Knocks every week. They might have seen slippage, and talked about it when the cameras weren’t rolling. Sorry if I’m not ready to storm the Meadowlands with pitchforks and lighted torches. If the Terminator doesn’t get it done, they’ll bring back Richardson or they’ll find someone else. You’re acting like they cut one of their best players.
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by rxmeister on Sep 5, 2010 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think when you see how badly the rushing suffers
you won’t place his value so low.
But for now we’ll agree to disagree and hope you are right.
I don't know how any of you can expect to win
The entire locker room is going to be absolutely disgusted with the FO after this harrowing offseason and preseason..
Gee, Im trying to think...
Are there any other Veterans we can release on this team to cut costs so we can sign this guy? Lets give Cotch his walkin papers too while were at it. He’s been a great leader. Bye Bye D Wood. we gotta make room for Revis and his leeches.
by colinyoung on Sep 5, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
get rid
I’d rather get a real good players and a #1 pick than keep mevis. When he comes back is it going to be the same. The team wants to win of course but will the respect still be there since he told his team screw you, I’m all into me and my $.
Try to think fof what the locker room psychology is like right now.
Nevermind Revis, Harris, Richardson, Feely, Coles, Clowney, both Washingtons, and everyone else who felt the burn of the business end of football. Think of everyone who is left. Imagine their mindset.
If the top scorer, the top blocker, the team leaders, the various team anchors are too expensive to keep or pay a fair salary, what exactly CAN you do to keep yourself a contract with this team?
Nothing you cant do shit. Mike T better pull a rabbit out of his ass soon.
by JETS4CHAMPIONS on Sep 5, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't get it
his salary was ~850k, they’re not exactly saving a ton of cash. i like john conner and all, but weren’t there places to cut? does anyone love any of the guys we signed?
50-1 odds
Conner can’t hold a candle to Richardson. Any team like the Chiefs would be INSANE not to put him in front of their RB committees at whatever price he wants.
We don’t deserve Tony after this. And LDT has zero value with this move, beyond short passes.
I don’t get it his salary was ~850k, they’re not exactly saving a ton of cash.
You don’t get it? Combine that with the money they saved on (squeezed out of) Clemens, and if you do that like a 140 more times, you can pay Revis anything he wants, for free.
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by kv on Sep 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah this T Rich move was garbage plain and simple I will not justify this move
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I think Mr. T (the accountant) thinks he is playing a combination of chess and fantasy football
And the guy who wins is the guy who saves the most money in little micro deals. I don’t think he (or they) realize just how much how the team treats “guy in the trenches guys” will reflect on future negotiations. Honestly, in my opinion, the deal with Revis was made that much hard by these kinds of moves.
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by kv on Sep 5, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yup with players on the outside looking in also
Yeah I am sure most players will want to come to the Jets for the hype and being on a good team, but there are still players out there where treatment is the most important thing to them.
But it seems like they squeeze the players who are not the superstar types of the team, or the best players on the team. We heard Tanny say in hard knocks something along the lines that all the non starters are almost playing for the minimum.
It really seems llke Jets saving money is the most important thing.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I have to say
I often like the offseason moves this teams makes but,
it seems like as long as I’ve been aware of the business end of football Jets have been really stingy, especially with resigning players or keeping them til payday/bonus.
Maybe I’m wrong but it feels like they sacrifice team success for money every year. I think it’s time for Woody to sell his team.
Why does T-Rich lose a job and Woodhead gets to keep his?
Seriously, I am a big proponent of giving Danny Woodhead a chance in the NFL, but COME ON! You’re keeping HIM on the roster instead of the 15+ year veteran in Tony Richardson? Refresh my memory, how much of a contribution did Woodhead have to our running game last year…? I like that he think’s he’s got a little bit of Wayne Chrebet (Lord Praise His Holy Name) in him, but if anyone should “take one for the good of the team” don’t you think it should be him instead of the veteran-anchor at Fullback?
+80 million
How about Gholston? I appreciate his hard work recently but he costs plenty of money even after the reworked contract and delivers NOTHING.
This is so stupid my head hurts.
ok guys no need to spoil your season because the Jets management is idiots
Even if you could get 500 to 1000 people to protest, you gonna have 50 to 80 thousand people walk right by you.
and BTW, you may not realize it right now
but the management just DID spoil your season.
Yes, I feel that strongly.
This belongs in a separate column
John?
Can we please get a “Let’s Hear Your Complaints About the Upcoming Season” thread over here soon?
I think we’re gonna need one.
Thank you.
Anybody expecting the Jets to re-sign Richardson
right away, or after Week 1, in order to either re-structure his contract (now) or make his salary non-guaranteed (post-Week 1)?
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
You're assuming he's still going to be available at that point
Stranger things have happened, but unless there was some sort of verbal agreement I’d be surprised if teams don’t Woo him immediately.
I don't care how much of a team player he is, the Jets basically beg him to play one more
year and then pull this shit. …I would tell the Jets to go screw
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I would hope that this is just a roster/budget adjustment
Otherwise I can’t see the point. In a vacuum this isn’t a terrible idea, but taken with everything else? If this is about Revis a) some voodoo nonsense is going on if 850K is enough to close the deal and b) if the FO have decided that the path to glory is to screw over the team long term to pay Revis then why on earth would you cut T-Rich when you could make up the same amount of money from other guys. The Clemens deal rubbed me wrong with the implementation but I can understand the rationale even if the implementation was horribly horribly botched. This just makes no sense.
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 5, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Breaking news
Manish Mehta just tweeted that Rex Ryan had a meeting with Revis last week.
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by rxmeister on Sep 5, 2010 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I will care once he signs
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 5, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How convenient for them to dishonor the blackout when they cut a much beloved player.
Theyre just trying to shovel this shit storm at Revis’ door-step. SCUMBAGS.
I know Rex contributed to blaming Revis
with cutting other cheap players like Coles. But I really think that Mike and possibly Woody are behind the shiftyness. Not that I don’t think Rex is capable, I just think at the very worst he’s trying to save face for what his bosses have done.
Well that is how you keep your job. But he wants Revis bad so it is understadable that he is willing to do some dirty deeds.
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I agree with the first part more than the latter
Think he’s going to be ready to roll no matter what players he has. What I witnessed was a man trying to stay coach for a long time.
Like dvdvil said in another thread, TRich was supposed to be retired and the Jets begged him to come back.
Unless TRich blessed this move and comes back after week 1, this is truly scumbaggish.
by Crackback on Sep 5, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know about that, but once you beg a guy to return you don’t treat him like that. You just eat it, especially since its an uncapped year.
Now they’re trying to blame it on Revis, which is just adding to the scumminess. There’s no reason for there to be a “leak” regarding a meeting, especially when there’s supposed to be a blackout.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck Mike T, Fuck Woody “Broke-ass” Johnson. Now I am really starting to jump of the bus.
T-Rich is the man. The only man left in that team. Fuck them, fuck them all to hell.
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Anybody else starting to really dislike Woody Johnson
I have no problem with Mr. T I mean he has done a great GM job OVERALL, I don’t like the stupid guys we picked up and cutting T-Rich hurts alot (my only Jets jersey…) but I think Johnson is screwing the Jets over.
C-Mart for owner!
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CMart for owner would be awesome.
I vote YES!!!
wipe your freakin tears!
As usual, jumping to conclusions without taking a breath to see the whole picture. You guys are so smart its a wonder why none of you are running NFL teams. The NFL is really missing out on some really good couch GM’s. It’s business like it or not. Everybody involved is aware of it. The players won’t be homeless. T-rich isnt the reason why we would have a good or awful year. As rich as you think woody is, he does have expenses and there’s nothing wrong with actually making money off the team that you own. Dont act as if he hasnt spent a lot of money towards this team. Well i guess we can expect a 4-12 season cause as holmes goes deep in week 8 with the game on the line hes gonna drop the ball cause he will be thinking about how he misses t-rich. sanchez is gonna throw an int cause his focus will be on how he hates mr t for cutting his friend. Most of you guys need to calm down, have a beer, and play madden with t-rich as your lead back.
For those keeping track
Downgrades at the following position:
Oline
Entire Running Committee including FB.
Safety.
LS/ST.
Kicker/kickoff.
Would be Improvements:
Receiver (we have a suspended one plus have cut one, so for the first three games it’s actually a downgrade as well)
Cornerback (contract impasse with starter, so this is highly debatable)
Linebacker (Pace is out, too cheap to sign AT as a band aid)
So what little money Woody DID sink into the team was used acquiring the likes of LDT, Pool, Jason Taylor, Cromartie, Wilson and some very questionable picks. Plus taking on suspended Holmes. What move did they NOT make that wasn’t excessively cheap? There wasn’t a single signing that doesn’t leave a huge question mark.
Now they’re cutting guys working for crackers because Woody is either cheap or having finance problems, and they’re breaking the blackout so they can shell their shifty behavior all on Revis. If he can’t handle the expenses he needs to sell the team.
All of those things, as well as the existing players seeing how the others left, is why we will have a season record more like you sarcastically described.
Go on, explain to me why we’ll have a good year.
Lets calm down for 1 sec ok
Oline-i wouldnt say we downgraded at all, we cut what was considered teh worst pass blocking olineman in the league. Slauson appears to be run blocking well, and he should be fine pass blocking and will get better.
RBs- Even though tony is gone, he may b back, but he is declining. And as far as jones goes, im happy he is gone. Greene gets the bulk and LT is 3rd down. I prefer that than 2 RBs that do the same thing. LTs looking good so far.
Safety- Rhodes is doing nothing at arizona in pre season while pool has looked very good.
Kicker- ill take folk and taylor over just feeley.
I don’t mean to brush off what you say but the only place I’ve heard a single person agree with you is the running committee.Greene is talented by a huge ?. LDT is simply over the hill and will look as bad as TJ was starting to, and he’ll never duplicate TJ’s results this season or last. What really hurts LDT at any down is the downgrade at fullback. Whether Leon Washington will be as good remains to be seen so we’ll hold off there. Joe McKnight is beyond terrible and you can count that as a downgrade to the backfield as well as special teams.
Pool is already experiencing health issues. The man is chronically injured and he’s not performing as good at Rhodes was in any capacity, who was mediocre most of the time. The only benefit is that he hits hard.
Nobody else I know has said Slauson (who was battling Vladmir “I suck at football” Ducasse for the position) is greater than or equal to Faneca. If I am wrong and this is popular opinion please forgive me.
We cut our long time long snapper and our kicker who was our top point scorer last year, for Nick Folk who was released in the middle of the season last year. Saying kicking isn’t a downgrade is denial if I’ve ever seen it.
Factor in T-Rich, injuries, holdouts, Woody’s sudden cheapness in an uncapped year, and you get low expectations from me.
I will be absolutely thrilled if the team proves to be championship caliber without everyone we’ve lost by circumstance or choice. This is the reality, not what I want.
I actually agree with Steve in a number of areas, its certainly not so black and white
One area I 100% agree with steve is at RB (not counting FB), TJ was a complete waste last year, we are much, much better with Greene and LDT. TJ was the worst starting RB in the league last year for yards after first contact.
I also think Pool is a better fit (not player) than Rhodes.
The O-line move doesn’t look good right now, but more because Ducasse has looked terrible than anything, Faneca was one of the worst pass blocking guards last year and for the money needed to be replaced. We are missing more of his reputation than his actual performance.
At FB, I honestly thought this might have been the idea all along, I think Conner is the better player, but he will not compensate for TRichs leadership and experience.
We should have kept Feely.
If it was the plan all along
why in gods name would you lure Richardson out of retirement only to crap all over him?
Sorry for the triple post
If you think TJ was that awful, then you think his wonderful stats were entirely due to the fullback we released and the oline we retooled. Unless you think Schotty makes an otherwise bad RB good for 1400 yards.
I guess I can swallow that you really believe that Greene-LDT-McKnight-Conner is superior to TJ-Washington-Greene-Richardson. It just sounds in the same vein of ignorance as OMG LDT ISNT REPLACING TJ. Same age, same contract, same awful YPC, only difference is LDT’s catching ability. If he is replacing Washington that’s a hit in more ways than one. If McKnight is replacing Greene that’s flat out masochistic of us.
And Conner’s a better player? That’s not AS tough to swallow, Tony is old. If he can duplicate Tony’s success I will send Rex a prime rib smoothie.
Just think about this.
When Revis does sign (hopefully before the opener), just think of him intercepting Flacco’s pass to Boldin and returning it for a touchdown. Then the hope will be back.
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T Rex
I agreed with all the things the FO did but still do not agree with this move. Yeah the terminator might be ready to take over that is understood but even Rex on Hard Knocks said we cant get rid of T Rich he is the man, the leader, something like that, and I didn’t hear Rex say that about any other player. Now they pick up Patrick Turner who had good numbers but I thought was not that good at USC and got cut by the fins. Maybe because he was Sanchez teammate.
This is just brutal
They have absolutely no leadership now on the offensive side of the ball. Talent trumps intangibles, naturally, but you need guys like TRich, Thomas Jones, Alan Faneca…sigh. I guess this is because that a-hole Revis is trying to squeeze every last dime out of this team, so they have to go paper-thin at every key position and lose veterans that help in innumerable ways (both in the locker room and on the field).
Whatever. This is why I love the Jets with all my heart, but as I’ve gotten older, professional sports have just started to sicken me. It’s all just a business, and these guys are all just mercenaries. Case in point – Jason Taylor plays for us now. Money is all that matters.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
TRich
Too bad about TRich, but let’s be realistic here. Carrying 2 fullbacks is a luxury we cannot afford right now. There are only 53 slots. Look at the other teams who were in the top 5 last year in rushing, Tennessee, Carolina, Miami and Baltimore, not one of them are carrying two fullbacks. Cuts have to be made and hey, they drafted Connor for a reason and he is ready.
T Rich is the guy who keeps the team clock turning
And I have seen what he can do over the course of a season, sure Connor looks great but preseason is preseason
We don’t have a player on the roster who will keep the others in line, that crap is important.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Yeah, but TRich is 38 years old and eventually you’ve got to turn the page and get younger. No one should be surprised once they drafted Connor. When is the last time the Jets carried 2 fullbacks? Plus Connor seems to be doing pretty well on Special Teams.
thats all well and good I am just no ready to pass the torch after 2 preseason games
after they begged him to return this year
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its basically TRich vs. Woodhead.
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by kv on Sep 5, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you even make that statement...
Woodheads on the team because of his ST coverage, TRich does not cover on ST.
Cmon Judge. You make it seem like any other guy with a pulse can’t do what Woodhead does on specials. What is he an All-Pro gunner all of the sudden? There’s like 10 guys that can cover kicks for him.
Not really my point...
yes anyone can, but the point is thats Woodheads position is not really RB, so to say its TRich vs. Woodhead is silly, its no more that than TRich vs Cumberland, or TRich vs Mulligan, or TRich vs Laury.
Its my “silly” opinion that the NEXT guy cut would have been Woodhead (and we’ll discover who that is once Revis is signed). Its a roster spot. I actually like Woodhead, but to team cohesion there is no comparison. If Woodhead had been cut to day, who would have said anything?
But sure, if you want to list four other guys opposite TRich, I’m down with that. The fact of the matter is it looks like a bad move, from a perspective that isn’t going to be found on a stat sheet.
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by kv on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Now if/when Coles or TRich resign in week 2 you may see Woodhead go, if not when Holmes returns week 5. Depending on what they make of Turner.
The other angle is its all about salary.
850k huh?
If that’s the gap in Revis’ contract and woody can make the difference it’s time to sell.
If not then it’s just greed. No reason to get rid of a guy you begged out of retirement. Especially a blocker and team leader the caliber of Richardson.
Every penny counts.
I love TRich, and think he’s a great player, and agree this is the wrong move, but you guys are making way too much of this. He’s 38 years old and was beat out for his starting job, and they don’t need a back-up FB who plays no other role. Who knows maybe the Jets are bringing him back to be a coach, I’ll wait and see before I go all chicken little like the rest of you.
Its just a scumbag move Judge. Like i said before, if TR is on board with it because he’s retiring this year anyway, and he’ll be back in week 2, then i don’t care. But you don’t ask the guy not to retire and bring him back and then cut him. You let him at least hold a press conference and retire.
If you ask him to come back, then you can’t cut him. Its just extremely poor taste. And it sends a bad message to the team and sets a bad tone for all future negotiations.
Pro Sports is not a lovefest its a business
you don’t know what was said, or why they did what they did, its all speculation.
Of all the things I read today
that was probably the most idiotic.
And that’s really saying something.
by your formula...later danny, there is a spot on the PS for you
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well if someone thought Connor would start and we would never miss a beat then
I could see someone seeing TRich as expendible..but I don’t se it that way at all
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they are not comparable...
because they play different positions, and TRichs role is not measurable by simple performance or role. But take away the leadership and intangables, considering Conner’s your starting FB, and you really only need one, and TRich doesn’t play ST, in that simplistic for Woodheads more valuable.
But take away the leadership and intangables, considering Conner’s your starting FB, and you really only need one, and TRich doesn’t play ST, in that simplistic for Woodheads more valuable.
It’s pretty “silly” to “take away the leadership and intangibles”, they are part of what gives value to a player, especially on a team that wants to get to the Superbowl, establish a running game and protect its QB.
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by kv on Sep 6, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not when your looking at X’s and O’s, and salary. I’m not saying they are right, or I would make that choice, but take the emotion out of it, and a case can be made that Woodhead makes more sense for the roster.
I’m not saying they are right, or I would make that choice, but take the emotion out of it, and a case can be made that Woodhead makes more sense for the roster.
And why would you take emotion out of it? I’m not talking about how I feel about the player, I’m talking about the emotional value of him to the team, or to particular young players. When building a team “emotion” is a prime ingredient, and Rex Ryan cannot be the sole source of emotional value on the team.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor can the back -up FB, your completely over valuing the emotional role of one player here. T Rich is a great blocker and a great vet, but they found what they think is a replacement, move-on.
You can’t ignore the psychological compounding effect that all these cuts of vets have on the team. Its bad for business and its just poor taste. Its sleezy.
Its not as sleazy as holding out when you are already signed to a contract. ;)
I’m not ignoring it, but you guys are making way way to much of it.
No I’m just waiting to here the full story and see what develops, before screaming and yelling about a half story.
What was said behind the scenes, you don’t know what TRich and the Jets have worked out. Maybe he wanted a reduced role when he found out he wasn’t the starter, maybe they are offering him a coaching position. Maybe this was just done because they felt if it wasn’t they were going to lose someone else, and TRich was making the sacrifice because he wouldn’t be waived, and didn’t have to go anywhere else. I’d like to see how it plays out.
I really hope Richardson and FO had an understanding.
But it seems so incredibly unlikely in this busines.
The probably has the same “understanding” that Clemens came to understand, and Faneca came to understand when he was having a nice dinner with Mangold.
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by kv on Sep 6, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
You can’t ignore the psychological compounding effect that all these cuts of vets have on the team. Its bad for business and its just poor taste. Its sleezy.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 6, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Listen i get how everybody is a fan of Woodhead. But its basically because our expectations are so low for him. He can be so easily replaced, but he works so hard to suck just a little less than we thought he would that we kind of respect that. And he’s a good tool for coaches to use to get through the dog days of August, “Woodhead is kive you guys!” But he’s no NFL football player. You can get any warm body in there to replace him.
Basically what I’m getting at is that its offensive that T-Rich got cut for the likes of Woodhead. His presence alone means more to the team than any positive Woodhead could bring.
Again Crack it makes no sense comparing the two
Woodheads on the team because of his ST role (not ability, role), and for no other reason, just like Laury, Mulligan, and a number of other players. Westhoff hand picks these guys. And simply put Woodhead will simply see more plays on Monday, than TRich. You kick one off ST and you better have a replacement you know can play that role, and TRich is not him. So to say it was Woodhead vs TRich makes no sense. It’s TRich vs. the additional talent player they decided to add, in this case I would assume Turner.
kv ...your just making an observation right
your not comparing the 2? You think the Jets kept Wood over TRich…Well I guess in a way they did, Woodhead is still on the roster right?
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Exactly. To say that they don’t play the same position isn’t the point. They are first and foremost roster spots. Now which spot depth do they need more? And which player has more value to the team?
But maybe Revis is getting signed and Woodhead is gone too. Or some other fellow.
And maybe TRich is coming aboard in week 2.
It still is typical Jet FO stink.
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by kv on Sep 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree in theory
In a way everyone on the roster beat out T Rich for a roster spot, I don’t see anything wrong with looking at it that way. The exception being if you were real thin at a position and could not cut that player for fear that you won’t have enough players as the season goes on.
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Everyone huh?
Woodhead Turner Gholston Coleman
I don’t accept that the need for any of those people is greater. Get rid of Clemens for another backup if you need to cut such a relatively small salary that badly.
Gholston is needed because of Pace, but all others I really don’t think are worth as much, on several levels.
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by kv on Sep 6, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats the point the Jets kept all those players and cut T Rich
I love Woodhead he is def a fan favorite and tries his ass off but/ Gholoston just became a little move important with Pace going down/ Turner could of gone/ Coleman could of gone even more so if Revis gets signed soon
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Look,
They just better bring him back. Like now. Like RIGHT now. I better go to sleep, wake up, and find out it was an error.
Well, wishful thinking's always nice...
Right brother?
of course but if I am TRich I am pissed at the way this played out
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New 2 tha site and im not even a JETS fan but....
and i mean no disrespect but from the outside lookin in… the whole offseason is strange… i mean after the title game the jets tell revis they are gonna pay him handsomely… then wen the time comes up they dont… soo y even tell him that in the first place and put that in his and is agents head? draft night u trade a guy u promised to pay before injury and show no loyalty and then turn around and expect revis to not want long term security? they jus opened a new arena… have any of u seen tha estimated numbers is revenue they are making? that arena has them and the giants getting paid hand over fist… yet u are still cost cutting? ur first round pick makes more then ur best player and th FO sees nothin wrong with that? it almost seems like they going out their way to get rid of the veterans honestly.. ur coach says a certain player will definitley make the team.. and the FO cuts him anyway?and if ur plan is to bring him back after week 1, to not guarantee his contract thats pretty stupid.. ur gnna sign him in week 2 and keep him thru the season and pay him soo al ur doing is saving 1 game check from cutting him?i mean is anybody talking or communicating? Even tho I dnt believe this team is superbowl quality.. i do believe revis will sign eventually into the season… he has no reason to sign now since hes tooken it this far…. 1 of 2 things are about to happen ladies and gentlemen… the first 3 games the JETS lockdown the passing game of other teams and make him look replaceable in turn making Revis realize he is not worth wat he thinks and folding or ( and i believe this 1 will happen first ) the Jets secondary gets shredded and then they have 2 pay him wat he wants… either way… by week 3 or 4.. he shud b back… But with all the high profile free agents u have on ur team and with that FO runnin things… Next years Offseason might actually be worst
by Chikzluvkooljay on Sep 6, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
I would not kid like that
The T-Rich thing six ass, but getting Revis back lessens the sting for me. The only thing that could make it all good is if the football gods would create a clone of either Emerson Boozer or John Riggins. Now either of those2 would be an upgrade at FB!!!
no not that, someone just did that yesterday I think or a couple days ago
Just to see if anyone was still in the room but thats why I was not buying it at first. I got real excited for a second until I realized he was kidding around. Very odd this news would break around midnight.
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justified imo....but Revis will go a long way to make me feel better
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It is justified
He just prefers we be blindly optimistic and never question anything apparently.
He is right though. This signing will shut most people up.
Maybe, just maybe
After week 1 we’ll get Richardson Coles and maybe even AT.
Wishful thinking, I know. But that would really round out the team nice-nice.
well thats 4 players on the current roster that would need to get bounced including Revis
I assume they have 53 right now?
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ok guys no need to spoil your season because the Jets management is idiots
Even if you could get 500 to 1000 people to protest, you gonna have 50 to 80 thousand people walk right by you.
Latest reports say TRich was only cut for roster flexibility...
As they couldn’t lose a cb till Revis was signed. TRich could be resigned as early as today, now that Revis is back.
by Judgegavel on Sep 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
wow
The dude is good, I didnt see that comming.
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