Jets 31 Dolphins 23: Gang Green Finally Prevails in a Tight Contest Against Miami
The Jets are 2-1 and in a three way tie for the AFC East lead after scoring a 31-23 victory over the archrival Dolphins tonight in Miami. Gang Green has sent an early message to the rest of the division. This team owns head to head wins over the other two competitors. Banking those early could be important late in the year if tiebreakers are needed with these talented squads.
More after the jump.
The Good:
Mark Sanchez: I will start with the quarterback. He was excellent for a second straight game. Mark finished 15 for 28 for 256 yards and a second consecutive 3 touchdown game. Jets fans had to love what they saw from him. He was making good decisions with the football. He was going through his progressions. He made some clutch throws when the team needed him to do so. There were a couple of big mistakes that Miami just missed taking advantage of, but winning a tight divisional game requires a bit of luck. Imagine I told you that 3 games into the year Sanchez would have 6 touchdowns and 0 interceptions. There's still a long way to go, but those preseason games where he didn't look good feel like a long time ago. Don't they?
Dustin Keller: Keller was shut out in the second half, but he was a key factor in the Jets jumping out to an early lead. He finished with 6 catches for 98 yards and 2 touchdowns. The Jets knew they could create mismatches with Keller's athleticism. To Sanchez's credit, he looked to exploit them. The sky is the limit for somebody with Dustin's physical ability. It looks like he might be putting it all together. He's running very crisp routes. He also threw some key blocks in the run game, which has not been his forte at all. Is he turning a corner there?
Braylon Edwards: We can talk all we want about whether Braylon should have played. I have been vocal that I do not think he should have. I think the first quarter suspension was ridiculous. It hurt the team but sent no real message since he was on the field for the key points of the game. Braylon was a big part of the win, though. His 67 yard touchdown catch totally changed the game just when it looked like Miami was taking control. The defender slipped, and Braylon finished the play as he should have. He also had a big third down catch and drew a penalty to extend the drive that salted the game away. I'm not sure how I feel that kids will go to bed tonight praising Edwards after what happened in the past week. He helped the team win. I wonder at what cost.
Pass Protection: Miami had been doing a good job getting to the opposing quarterback early in the year, but the offensive line did a terrific job tonight keeping Mark Sanchez clean.
Damien Woody: I'll single out Woody because he was great against Cameron Wake.
LaDainian Tomlinson: 88 yards from scrimmage on 18 touches. He's making people miss. He's exploding to the hole. He found the end zone when the team needed it. He looks like the 2005 version of himself. I'm amazed right now.
Shonn Greene: The numbers are again so so, but Greene did some effective running to fight for tough yards as the Jets were looking to ice it.
Brad Smith: Smith was as dangerous as ever with 41 yards on 3 carries working out of the Tiger formation and on an end around. A 16 yard run out of the Tiger bailed out Brian Schottenheimer for the offensive coordinator's insane call to go to the formation on third and 15. He also had a 54 yard kick return.
Brodney Pool: He might not get much of a mention, but he saved the game twice on the last drive. He had a touchdown saving tackle on Brandon Marshall and made the deflection on the intercepted fourth down pass.
Playing Coverage at the End of the Game: I have to give Rex Ryan credit for going away from his normal attack mode when the Dolphins got into scoring position. He knew his corners couldn't handle one on one assignments.
David Harris: Harris led the Jets with 7 tackles and was making plays all over the field.
James Ihedigbo: The Jets effectively blitzed him off the corner a few times to combat the Wildcat. It worked.
Sione Pouha: Miami ran for less than 4 yards per carry in no small part because of Pouha's continued ability to control the point of attack.
Howard Green: I thought Green handled his matchups very well for anybody, let alone a scrap heap pickup.
Steve Weatherford: I'm still not sure how this guy got so good over the course of one offseason. He hit a 61 yard kick tonight and had another pair downed inside the 20 in 4 punts.
Eric Smith: The Jets lost a game to Miami last year in no small part because of special teams. Smith's blocked punt was big.
Coverage Units: Only because this was Miami, and the Jets did not allow a return touchdown.
The Bad:
Antonio Cromartie: I'm not sure why Cris Collinsworth kept praising his play. When the guy you are on has 10 catches, 166 yards, and 1 touchdown, you haven't done your job as a corner. Yes, he won a few matchups, but a corner can't lose that consistently. Darrelle Revis' agents could be excused for wondering if they might have been better served waiting until this game to see if the Jets threw money at their client.
Kyle Wilson: The Dolphins picked on Wilson early. He is still a work in progress. His recognition skills have to get better, and they will. Unlike some of the other games, I think a lot of his mistakes tonight were rookie mistakes. They will be corrected with more experience.
Jason Taylor: I know he had a sack, but he really wasn't much of a factor otherwise.
Matt Slauson: Those penalties will land a player in the coach's doghouse.
Penalties: I called out Slauson because his penalties were bad, but the Jets are still playing undisciplined football. They can't keep giving away all these yards.
Other Thoughts:
- Wouldn't a better way of celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month be telling a story or two about a Hispanic person or people who have played a prominent role in shaping professional football? Putting the teams' names in Spanish on a television scoreboard graphic for an English language broadcast was distracting and silly.
- Last year I though Mark Sanchez was a bit better than Chad Henne in both meetings between the teams even though the Jets lost both games. Tonight I thought Henne was a tad better than Sanchez. Miami lost, though. It's funny how these things work out.
- Orange you glad the Dolphins wore those jerseys?
- I have to give a big shout out to all of the Dolphins fans who came over here this week and gave us such great and lively discussion. Things got heated at times, but that's what rivalries are about. It was a really enjoyable week. I look forward to doing it again later in the year.
- This is why the Jets never should have let Darrelle Revis play last week. He wasn't helping the team playing less than 100%. The team ended up losing him for tonight, when he really could have been used.
- Let's not go overboard ripping the officials. There were a few suspect calls, but championship teams need to overcome that. The Jets aren't a championship team yet, but it was nice to see them do just that anyway.
The Jets now have a great chance to pick up a third division win next week. Let's just enjoy this one for the moment, though. The monkey is finally off this team's back. Gang Green is back in the win column against Miami. This is going to be one fun and nerve racking season.
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Once again great game
The rematch should be just as entertaining, and it could be for the division
•Last year I though Mark Sanchez was a bit better than Chad Henne in both meetings between the teams even though the Jets lost both games. Tonight I thought Henne was a tad better than Sanchez. Miami lost, though. It’s funny how these things work out.
I think we’ll see plenty of classic duels between these two.
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Completely disagree on the Henne vs Sanchez comparison, while Henne put up a ton of yards, he was very streaky looking awful in the first quarter and at times in the fourth. He was just fortunate to get a lot of redos. Sanchez was consistent the whole ge and won.
by Judgegavel on Sep 27, 2010 6:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lots of Sanchez's yds came on that broken play that should have never happend.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 27, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Please
he made much tougher throws all game than Henne. Most of Hennes completions were pitch and catch, and do to poor coverage by the Jets secondary. Should’ve been could’ve been is not reality. Sanchez never had a period like Henne did in the first quarter where he was missing open guys, and holding the ball to long.
Because it was a broken play I will ask the league to reverse the score for you...
…because Miami has never had a broken play. We can go all day about the broken plays and bad calls, etc… but the last word is Miami had a chance at the end and didn’t win.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Sep 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So?
How many of Henne’s yards came from a momentum swing that was the result of a bad call that gave you guys a first down on an incomplete pass. How many of your yards came from playing a depleted secondary?
Give it a rest. We won. Both QBs played well. Deal with it.
by cult hero on Sep 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lame.
Who knows what would have played if that play hadn’t happened. Broken plays are part of the damn game.
True, but i was mostly responding to that idiot judgegavel
who keeps on saying Henne is garbage.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Henne isn’t garbage.
I think it’s kinda cool that these two QBs have started at the same time since I expect it’s going to improve an already stellar rivalry.
Plus, I’d love to see Tom Brady get outgunned by both of us in his “golden years.” Haha.
(And I didn’t even realize I posted twice to the same comment. Once in the evening and once in the morning. I was on a roll!)
Where did I say he was garbage?
I was just saying I thought Sanchez had a better game and the reason why.
I have to agree with the OP. Though Sanchez looked great, I think Henne had a slight edge. No matter though because the final score is what counts.
I have to disagree. I thought Henne only had better NUMBERS because he was called on to throw more. Sanchez showed a heck of a lot more poise in the pocket, made more difficult throws into tighter spaces, and also scored what should have been a rushing touchdown (if that was holding Slauson they need to change the name of this game to ballroom dancing). Henne made some good throws, but his receivers were often WIDE open due to poor secondary play by the Jets. I also saw a lot of Henne’s throws to the sideline sail on him.
by struckanerve9 on Sep 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Smith is also what pat White should have been as a triggerman for th WCe
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pool
JB agree with Pool saving the game. Another post they we’re giving accolades to coleman but he had a gift interception. If coleman wasn’t there the ball would have dropped to the ground. I was worried for a second that coleman bobble the interception and the phins TE somehow got the ball. Awesome game!
Good write-up
I think you overstate the effect of Braylon’s playing tonight on impressionable youth but I will agree to disagree on that one. Some points on the D. I thought Miami did a really good of taking Cromartie out of bump and run at the line which also hurt his ability to cover a little but he really does need to do better. On the other hand, after Moss and Marshall he doesn’t have so much of a challenge next week. As for Wilson, while he got victimized outside, I though he had a couple of great coverages on Fasano in the slot which was nice to see.
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
wilson
Yea wilson was doing much better when they moved him to the inside. I think he’ll get better, just have to get use to the speed of the game and facing way better receivers than he did in college. He also have good coverage on the play to Bess but the jets never questioned the call which replays showed bess did not get 2 feet in bounds. The phins ended up getting their first TD on that drive and got some momentum.
Glad you wrote this
He also threw some key blocks in the run game, which has not been his forte at all. Is he turning a corner there
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A couple of LdT’s runs don’t happen without Batman’s blocks.
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from Stinky Fish Stadium. What a win! Sanchez was outstanding. I can’t wait for the Used-to be-Tuna gang to come to the new stadium.
Nice man, what a game to attend
I feel bad for the Chicken of the Sea and their 138 Latin owners that we had to show them what the business was and steal the division lead from them….
really.
really
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138 latin owners? Ross owns 99% of the team the only latin minority owners are 2
Don’t know why you would point that out when your QB is latin.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 27, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, you can’t put JT in the “bad” category when he picked up a sack tonight. Because that’s essentially all he was brought here to do.
And Braylon Edwards? Come on. Let’s not get on a moral high horse with this guy. This is a league that employs rapists, accomplices to murder, coke addicts, and scumbags who torture animals for sport. Bray got lit and drove a car. Let’s not send him straight to the gas chamber. Is there anyone who hasn’t got behind the wheel drunk when they were 25 or younger?
Besides, IDC if he drove drunk 10 times if he keeps playing like he did tonight. But that’s me.. You ain’t hurting nobody? Do your thing..
1 qtr
The jets had bray miss a quarter which was more than I thought. Bray knows now that he is on watch and could be suspended in the future if he blows it, this is his first DUI offense.
Plus I thought that if the jets had him miss a lot of playing time it could violate an NFL players agreement on Bray’s playing rights. Even some analysis thought that BE would miss only one series.
Thank you sir
Agreed 100% about Braylon, the first thing I thought was get off your high horse as well
JT was wbaused by Long all night long
and his only sack came against a FB
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More about Braylon...
See son, go out and get drunk and you give Tony Dungy an excuse to get on his high horse during my football time. So please, stay away from the booze.
CHAMPS
What a win.
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Not yet
There’s plenty of football left
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Sanchez to Keller connection!!!
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Thought Jets' Coaches in general did a great job
They shut down the Pussycat
They were well prepared on offense with a good gameplan and some of Schotty’s better playcalling for sure.
Special Teams came up with a huge play.
Jets spent a lot of time watching tape on this team in the offseason looking for revenge, and it showed. They were the more prepared team.
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There are so many video clips I want to post, lol. Poor Miami.
But will wait until tomorrow to keep this article on top.
Good stuff John, you pretty much hit on everything. I was happy with Woody’s play also, a big improvement from first two games and preseason. We need to be able to run better to the left though… Slauson.
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Hard to believe but...
Just did some research because I thought tonights LT touchdown was his first “real” td as a Jet. That is true, but it is also only the second td LT has against Miami ever!!! Yes, prior to tonight he had only one rushing td and no receiving tds against Miami in his career.
Sorry made a mistake
In 6 games to date he has had the following
vs Miami 5 games 86 attempts rushing 287 rushing yards 57.4 yards per game 3.3 yards per carry 2 tds 22 receptions 134 yards 26.8 yards per game 6.1 yards per catch 18 longest catch 7.0 yards after catch 9 first downs 0 td catches 0 fumbles 0 fumbles lost
I did not include the stats from last night, but you get the picture. Sorry for the bum scoop initially.
Sanchez v. Henne
Overall I like the write up, although I disagree on JT being a negative. He was doing what he needed to do. Other than the sack he wasn’t stand out, but I didn’t find myself screaming at him while watching the TV. (Unlike, say, Slauson.)
Also, I dunno that Henne was slightly better than Sanchez. We had a better run game than they did and so they needed to lean on Henne more than we needed to lean on Sanchez. (That might be why you liked Sanchez better last year. The wildcat tore us up the first game.)
I do feel like the Dolphins are for real and here’s to hoping the Pats don’t even make the playoffs.
rating
Hero, the QB rating for sanchez was 120.5 awesome, for henne it was 91.4 ok, but not close to 120.5
I agree that henne had to pass 44 attempts therefore had more yds but sanchez did have 28 pass attempts and more yds per reception, so I’ll go by the ranking of 120.5 over 91.4 If sanchez only threw like 15 passes and had a high rating then maybe he didn’t have to pass much so his performance could be slightly dimishied. But he had to make plays passing and he did come through big time. Not to take anything away from henne who surprised me also with his play tonite.
Not to mention
Henne looked awful in the first quarter, and ultimately failed on three drives in the 4th. Sanchez never really looked bad, was consistent the whole game, when he was forced out it was because of either a penalty or bad play calls, and in the end drove the team down for the TD and won the game.
by Judgegavel on Sep 27, 2010 7:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to take anything away for your win
And both qb’s played very well but Sanchez definitely made mistakes just the Phins didn’t captialize like they should have. Sanchez threw 3 balls that 9 out of 10 times would have been picked. The deep pass to Clowney that Jason Allen had 2 hands on but it hit off his helmet. The ball that Sanchez threw late to the endzone to I believe Keller that was tipped and went right thru Clemons hands. And obviously the Langford pass that was really gift wrapped for him. Obviously we didnt captalize off those mistakes and we lost. But Sanchez played a good game and seems to have a bright future. So enjoy win
by afceast on Sep 27, 2010 8:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That Langford pass was a WTF moment.
It looked like he threw it as lightly as humanly possible. Although, my problem with Henne and I’m guessing the Fins fans have the same sentiment is that he could finish the game. He had a perfect opportunity to set the game up for OT and couldn’t make that happen. His throw in the endzone that got picked was not a well thrown ball for where the coverage was and if he throws that ball down and away you guys have 6 points. But, it’s tough to critique a few balls on both sides because it was a QB duel against good-great defenses.
Yeah while we would have loved
to comeback and win alot of Miami fans are giving more of the blame to the play calling then Henne. The wildcat has become a drive killer this season and needs to be scrapped. It hasn’t worked all year and these coaches are to stubborn to just dump it. I was impressed to finally see the Henne/ Marshall connection and hopefully it continues.
by afceast on Sep 27, 2010 8:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, we did the same against the Ravens.
Week 3 seems to be the week for new QB/receiver connections to gel. Flacco/Boldin also had beast games as well. I really think you need to throw out of the wildcat for it to work. You guys tried but the pass wasn’t close. I think that’s why Pat White was pretty crucial for you guys developing it. So, IMO, without that passing threat I can’t see the appeal.
Should of, could of, would of...
Henne did play well, but Cro missed a sure int., Bess was out of bounds on that one catch, Henne had a tons of second chances because of penalties (some good some bad). We can disect to death what could of happened but it doesn’t matter.
Sanchez never had a bad stretch like Henne had in the first quarter, where he was missing open guys, and holding the ball way to long. Henne failed with the opportunity at the end, Sanchez delivered, better game all around, the end.
You sound stupid
I said enjoy your win and was discussing facts with someone else so cut the shoulda, coulda b.s. Marshall batted that ball away from Cro’s hands, these were balls Miami defenders dropped with nobody around. Sanchez might not have had a bad stretch but could have easily lost the game for you on the Langford throw. That was a horrible pass/decision. He dropped it & you got a win. I understand you have not won against us in a loong time but its a little to much excitment coming from you
by afceast on Sep 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wtf are you talking about
how does Marshall batting it away make it any less of a mistake by Henne. How can you blame almost interception when they were tipped by the receiver on the QB (Keller play, Allen miss) How often do D lineman come up with those balls (almost never) those guys can barely hold a football, let alone intercept one. You sound just as stupid defending your could be errors as I do, the bottom line was they weren’t. Henne didn’t get it done in the 4th when he had to, Henne couldn’t do anything right the first quarter, Sanchez did, those are things that actually happened.
I understand you have not won against us in a loong time but its a little to much excitment coming from you
Really, Its not like I’m some tool going on Phinsider beating my chest about how good my team is to get a rise out of other fans, thats you coming here, before the Jets put you in your place. The only thing I was talking about here was the QB comparison you want a pat on your back for the loss here ya go. Dolphins D played great against between the tackle runs, Henne completely picked apart our rookie QB, and did a great job getting the ball to his all pro wide receiver.
Does anyone really understand QB ratings or even take them over what
the scoreboard says?
by Putnan Prince on Sep 28, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Braylon had a great game
Had no problem that he played and thought they only sat him the 1st quarter to shut people up and they were still yapping. He’s being paid to play football not to be a role model everyone including him knows what he did was wrong
great game
Fan, Bray did have an awesome game and the complaining mostly by other teams if it was their player would shut up. But since its the other team’s player the peanut gallery has to complain.
Everyone including Bray should know that one more time they’ll be harsh suspensions to pay. If he doesn’t wake up after this, I wouldn’t support his a** and wouldn’t care if they come down real hard. The Jets overall have a better record than most teams on players arrested.
Sad Comment
Tell this to anyone that has ever known someone killed by a drunk driver! You going to “shut” those people up?
by Vman in Germany on Sep 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Please, its not like he's getting off scot free
The NY Courts will punish him appropriately. Nobody is saying anything to endorse what he did, all the people in the NFL urging the Jets to punish him more are just taking cheap shots. What the Jets did or did not do has nothing to do with condoning what he did or not, entirely different issue. Like Fan said, he’s not being paid to be a role model.
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Yeah,
Edwards didn’t kill anybody so unless they have a position with the league or the team or the jurisprudence system, with the applicable responsibility, tell them to shut up.
Your Comment is a "Sad Comment" for trying to equate Braylon's situation to an actual Drunk Driving Tragedy....
WAKE UP!
The guy was driving fine and if it weren’t for his tinted windows, guess what? None of this would even be an issue and he and Brick and Ghost would’ve been back at practice doing their thing and nothing much else.
Would have lost to Miami without Braylon.Outstanding game under the microscope.Now
let’s all hope he didn’t go out to celebrate with Sanchez and Keller.
by Putnan Prince on Sep 28, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Game and I'm happy...
But where has Shonne been…? LT is doing great and I’m ecstatic, but if Shonne is playing at the level we expected him to play at when we let go of Jones we’re offensively manhandling people;EASY. Excellent, just excellent showing by the offense, but Shonne hasnt been playing too well and I fear its gonna bite us in the butt one day.
finally, no more the dolphins beat the Jets twice
My number 1 hater is Michael Lombardi. Can’t wait to watch NFL network to hear his dolphin bias ass give the Jets credit. Probably won’t see him this week.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 27, 2010 7:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great point GG
Only question marks so far this season has been the discipline and Greene. Although aside from the start of the Ravens game they haven’t really been in a ground and pound situation, I guess next week will be the big test for him.
Btw, can’t say enough good things about LT, he has been everything I’d hope he’d be. Is anyone missing TJ right now?
by Judgegavel on Sep 27, 2010 7:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, Shonn Greene is making me miss TJ
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 27, 2010 7:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve kinda been looking for Greene, too. But as long as LT is doing well, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. That should make Shonn very fresh later in the season.
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I thought Shonn looked good in our last drive of the 4th quarter (he barreled over some dolphins), but limped off the field after a play. Then Tomlinson came in for the rest of the drive. He may not be getting great stats, but I think he will be great pounding other teams in the second half as the season progresses.
Yeah I was wondering why the hell he wasn’t out there for the TD drive. If Shonn was injured it makes a lot more sense. I dunno why LDT’s getting praise for getting it, because I’m almost positive if Greene was out there he would have pounded it in right at the get-go and we wouldn’t have even needed all that drama there. It actually worked out in our favor in the end, but I still hated to see that.
Tomlinson’s been great in other ways, like getting some good runs against NOT stacked defensive boxes and getting YAC in open spaces but pounding the ball is not his forté anymore and I would HATE to see him vulture TDs like that off of Greene all year.
Either guy can score at the goal line
Its just LdT goes up and over while Shonn goes through. Im in favor of giving him some tds though, spread the love!
Fins were doing a good job stopping the through though
and did a good job vs AP last week in the same spot. I think LT was the right call there, that over the top move helped LT score the most rushing TD in a season and is much tougher to stop, and the better option vs. that defense.
Yeah, they just aren't confident in Greene
not fumbling the ball on goaline carries. That’s about the worst thing that could happen down there and until he fixes that I can see why they are running LDT down there.
I dunno
Has Greene ever fumbled it at the goal line before? To me it seems his fumbles come once he’s past the LOS and gets careless while looking to bowl some more guys over for extra yardage. I would trust him to be able to punch it through.
I agree. I’d like to see Greene get some touches in those spots. But LD does have that leap that looks pretty damn hard to stop, not mention he also seems better at the moment in finding holes/soft spots, also his threat as a receiver may make DEs and OLBs a little more hesitant about crashing down inside.
sounds like a fantasy football problem
cause as far as I am concerned, anyone in green and white can pound the rock for a td. Why do you care that LT is stealing TDs from Greene if we are winning and Greene is staying fresh for the end of the season when Ds are tired and other teams’ RBs are injured?
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It just doesn’t make sense to me at all. I’ve seen some stats that show that Tomlinson’s been one of the most inefficient goal-line RBs in the league for the past couple of seasons. Meanwhile, Greene is a pile-pusher who damn near never goes down on first contact. It is counterintuitive.
I dont think thats the case
TJ wouldn’t be doing anything either he needed 15+ carries before getting anywhere, and he would not be getting that. Only play I missed TJ was the Greene fumble game 1.
I disagree strongly with this statement
Shonn Greene has not been ineffective at all over these three games (aside from that one lost fumble). He hasnt been seeing as many carries because LdT has had the “hot hand” in the early going and they are right to give him the carries because he is making many defenders miss. But Shonn is a totally different back, he is fast and PUNISHES defenders, those hits to the linebackers and secondary pay dividends down the stretch and really wear down defenses. I loved his effort in last nights game, you bring a fresh strong back in in the 4th quarter when the defense has ben worn down and is tired and he is going to be effective just as he was last night. Did you see how hard he hit that dolphin on the sideline on their last drive? killed him. and he was not going down on first sometimes second or third contact. Limiting his carries throughout the year will only make him fresher down the stretch come (hopefully) playoff time. Then we have two good backs pounding the ball down their F***ING throats. JET FOOTBALL BABY!
Yeah seriously
Greene looked great yesterday. He NEVER went down on first contact on any carry he got. I particularly remember a play where Jason Allen “tackled” him and then got up and started flexing like he did anything and I almost shit myself laughing because his “tackle” consisted of him getting piledriven into the ground by Shonn’s shoulder. The dude is a BEAST
I don't think he's looked bad at all but certainly not great...
he had two fumbles in the Baltimore game (only one lost). and just hasn’t had those huge gains (a couple of decent yes, but his long for the year is 9, and he’s had a lot of stuffs too). A lot of it is lack of opportunity of course, but he needs to show more in limited time. It still early but next week is the type of game he needs to step up.
He cant break every one for big gains running off tackle
Which seems to be the only runs they give him, which is fine but breaking larger gains requires more carries, they wont always be immediately into the secondary, he is still running hard downhill
by MA Jets Fan on Sep 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not big gains but decent gains, it seemed last year...
he would have 2-3 of those 11-12 yard runs a game last year when he got going.
Two things
One, Keller has “turned a corner” as you say, but I don’t care for the implication that he has somehow been a disappointment in his career (which I hear a lot on here). That’s ridiculous. The guy’s rookie year, he played with Brett Favre and looked pretty good (for a rookie). Last year, he was paired up with a rookie QB who didn’t know how to be an NFL quarterback, so obviously he wasn’t going to look great. THIS year, Sanchez is playing better, and that’s why Keller is exploding. Also, Keller’s blocking has been terrific this year – a huge improvement.
Secondly, the whole “send a message” thing with Braylon Edwards is just so idiotic. It’s bad enough I hear it from preachy Jet-haters Mike Francesca and Gary Meyers, but to hear it on this site over and over is tiring. The Jets job is to win football games. Period. Why on EARTH would they not play their big play receiver? To “send a message to the kids?” Good lord. It’s very easy as a parent to explain to your kid that while it’s true that Edwards is a good football player, he should not look up to him (I am going to tell my kid when he gets older that he, quite frankly, shouldn’t “look up” to any of these athletes – role models should be people intimately involved in his life, not people on TV anyway).
I HATE what Braylon did and he should (and will be) punished by the league, by the legal system, etc. And that is enough. I wish we would stop with all of the absurd pontificating about how the Jets should have sat him to fulfill someone’s morally extreme ideal system. I don’t give a damn what Tony Dungy thinks, and his is the prevailing opinion. I’m so sick of this conversation.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
+1
Well said.
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-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
Braylon should not be treated any differently than any other player who has been arrested for a DUI (1st offense). This outcry for the Jets to suspend him, when it is unheard of in the NFL for a team to suspend a player for a 1st time DUI, just reeks of media bias. If it was a well-known CEO of a major corporation, would people be yelling for him to be suspended from his job? Let’s park those high-horses people. Braylon will have his day…IN COURT.
by struckanerve9 on Sep 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what p*sses me off about what John B wrote.
He’s basically swallowing everything that the Media and Tony Dungy says…and he’s the one who writes up the Articles here.
What kind of message are you sending us Jets fans that you support the Holier-than-thou crap spewing from Dungy’s ass and the Media’s?
Time for a little flame here
How bout Leon and his 2 KO returns for TDs? hahah Brad Smith is doing a great job on kickoffs but it is clear that Leon has fully recovered from that broken leg.
He looked awesome yesterday
Always liked Leon, was very sorry to see him go. I’m a big fan of Brad Smith too, but he definitely doesn’t have the same burst as Leon Washington. Glad to see that, as you said, he is indeed recovered.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No flame there, Leon definitely deserves respect.
He has recovered well and looked 100% on those returns. They definitely got a steal there but him being 100% was far from guarenteed.
I’m really happy that Leon is doing well. It’s too bad that the Jets needed to let go of him, which was basically a cost cutting move.
by struckanerve9 on Sep 27, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Terminator
How about NBC showing not one, but two replays of Conner leveling someone on special teams coverage. I can’t imagine what it’s like running full speed into another person and just getting flat out stopped in your tracks.
Why nobody really wants to play special teams
The worst hit is running at full speed and getting blindsided. The best thing to do is go down, if you fight the hit there can be broken bones. I learned this the hard way (Broken Collarbone). The guy didn’t put me on my ass, but my collarbone snapped. The funny thing is I didn’t even know and played a couple more plays.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Conner is freaking immovable
I think the second highlight they showed, he looked like he wasn’t even running that hard and the other guy was running full speed and they met nearly head on and Conner didn’t even budge an inch and the other guy got blown up. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guy block like that.
Arrogance and Discipline
Next week against Buffalo will be a great opportunity to get Greene more involved and tone down the arrogance thinking Wilson and Cromartie are good enough to play like Revis. Rex’s arrogance is killing this D. I understand if Revis is out there, but Wilson can’t play straight up man 80% of the time. Might be another week of high school discipline during practice. Penalties are getting out of hand!
If the Pats can put up 200 rushing yds against Buffalo, just think how much Green and LT can rack up. Side Note: Woodhead scored for NE on Sunday, which is nice for him, but a bit of a slap in the face, knowing we drafted McKnight and he can’t even hold the ball or run without tripping over his own feet. At this point I’d much rather have Woodhead!
I've been saying this for a while now.
Keller is one of the best tight ends in the league. He’s so underrated its criminal. You put this guy with an elite QB or an above average QB (Romo, Shaub) and he would be a star. People would run to him for fantasy.
If you remember when Farve was here Keller was the talk of the town, people was giving him credit right and left because Farve had a magnifying glass on this team so our talent was realized by the league and media. When he left people stopped giving a shit about Keller and now Shaincoe is one of the best TE in the league, the same guy that had 11 TD’s in his career before Farve. Farve comes and he gets 11 in one season with him.
Keller is one of the best and when Holmes gets back you better watch out!
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I already ran to Keller in fantasy lol
Netted me 20+ this week.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What a win
If the secondary behind revis improves and we blitz more effectively i’ll feel even better
ITS SHOTTY TIME!
good descion making and good throws by dirty sanchez , kyle wilson turn around and know were the ball is you could of had several easy picks, stop the stupid penalties .
John B, enough with the Braylon Bashing, okay?
You’re starting to sound like Tony Dungy and Dick Vitale. And that’s not a compliment….

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