Antonio Cromartie Should Get Plenty of Help on Brandon Marshall
by John B on Sep 23, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
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Brandon Marshall will spend Sunday on Alcrotraz. Antonio Cromartie drew Randy Moss for almost the entire second half of last week's game against New England. He should see Marshall on the other side for most of the night. He should not be alone, though.
While the job Cro did on Randy Moss was very impressive, I'm not sure he is at the point where the Jets can trust him to handle Marshall by himself. If he uses his strength and athleticism the way he did against Moss, he can take Marshall away. He hasn't shown the consistency, though, for Gang Green to feel confident enough to leave Cromartie on his own.
The Dolphins do not have many other weapons in the passing game. Davone Bess is a really good slot receiver, but he's no game breaker. Brian Hartline has 3 catches for 28 yards at this early point of the season after a 31 reception rookie year. The jury is still out on him.
The Jets need to double Marshall to try and take him off the table. They should force Chad Henne to target his secondary options. Can they succeed and beat Dwight Lowery and Kyle Wilson. Yes, but I don't see an edge of any substance for Miami. It's best to force the opponent to beat you by having significantly lesser players step up.
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Not sure Cro on Brandon is the right call...
although none of the other Miami receivers have to really be worried about so I guess we can try. I just feel with him being a short yardage possession guy Wilson’s is better suited to cover him, put Cro on Hartline, although thats not a perfect match either.
Why would you say that...
Wilsons coverage has been excellent so far this year (aside from maybe three plays), he’s made some rookie mistakes here and there, but hell so has Cro. and he’s 5 year vet.
My guess would be that Wilson might be more apt to bite on a double move
or something, since he’s a rookie…..
I personally thought he’s played well, and not shown a whole lot of that, so who knows. But if I had to guess, that would be it. Its the most common rookie DB mistake.
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Its funny
dolphin fans are treating this like the superbowl
rally towel
orange-out
and using the slogan “feed the wolf”
I didnt relize they hated there name that much that
I guess they relize dolphins are not very masculine and unintiminating
JETS
also
the phins fans are all very cocky about this game. they all seem to be under the impression that they are far more talented than the Jets. the dolphins have a rude awakening in store for them this weekend and i think the fans know it. they’re getting all worked up about how much better they are, because deep down they’re terrified of this game. i think the Jets are pissed about last year and they play best when everyone is against them, and they are quite simply a better team from the coach on down. i actually expect a physical beatdown of this miami team and the Jets should go to 2-1
by Crimetime Island on Sep 23, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
we arent cocky, about anything
we are just confident in our team
we arent like you guys writing “future super bowl champs” on the side of an RV
Miami's Superstarts: Brandon Marshall, Karlos Dansby, Vontae Davis (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and Hanley Ramirez :)
Phin fans are not cocky about any game.
We weren’t even that cocky about Buffalo. Some of the fans you’re referring to over at the Phinsider are just ignoramous fanboys who don’t know enough about football to be taken seriously.
I’m confident that the game will be very physical and that no team’s victory will be “easy.”
I find it quite ironic that even though your quarterback is younger and less experienced than ours (considering collegiate and NFL ball; similar experience in NFL alone, a mere few starts difference), Rex isn’t happy with “certain players,” we have the better receivers in this game, our defense is not far off yours, we have a 9-4 record against the AFC East since Sparano and a 3-1 record against the Jets under him, and this is our home opener after having won two straight on the road (including a division victory) that you “expect” a beatdown against us even though you think WE’RE the cocky ones. Huh.
Interesting to peruse the minds of the Jets fans.
Just letting you know, Minnesota fans felt this way last week.
I wish both teams no injuries and the best of luck. Best team wins.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, can we really use being cocky and confident as a reason to speak badly about anyone? lol
Divisional games are never easy, it’s not always about the most talented team, it’s about the one who executes on the day. Miami did that last year, I think we have a more talented team (on paper) than Miami, Miami fans might disagree and that’s absolutely fine. However just because we have the better team on paper doesn’t mean we’ll win the game.
I think any fanbase that have a good team should be confident of a win, what’s the point going into a game all doom and gloom. I expect to win this game, Miami fans expect to win this game, no problems there.
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I expect to win this game, Miami fans expect to win this game, no problems there.
except for the fact that Dolphin fans would be wrong. Their first win over the Jets last year was because they weren’t prepared for the wildcat, and their second win was because of three fluky TD’s by players that are now with other teams (like the Jets!) Chad Henne is a young, not very good QB, and the Jets will bring the house to unnerve him, without the fear that they will get blocked and he will pick them apart like a Tom Brady would. Only possible Jets mistakes will keep this game close.
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How can you say that Dolphins fans are wrong if they think they can win this game? they are 2-0, they are at home and like it or not they won both games against us last year. I wouldn’t call their scores flukey at all, they game planned their cover return scheme a certain way and it worked, they ran to the side where our containment wasn’t the best. Had Westhoff been in charge of those TD’s for the Jets, we would be commending him for a good game plan on special teams. You talk about Chad Henne like we have Peyton Manning. They might not have the Tom Brady to spread it around, but they have the players and the running backs to exploit an over aggressive TD. I think we’ll win this game, but I’m not going to say Dolphins fans are wrong for thinking they’ll win the game either, they have as much right to have faith in their team this weekend as we do.
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They ARE wrong!!
I’m not saying they can’t win this game, but if you’re playing a team far more talented than yours, you shouldn’t expect to win. Yeah, if you get an INT return, a kickoff return or two and all the flags go your way you can pull the upset, but when the other team is better than you, expecting a win is ridiculous. I didn’t expect to beat New Orleans last year, and I sure didn’t expect the Jets to beat Indianapolis. I hoped that they would, but I certainly wasn’t sure of victory. You would literally have to know nothing about football to look at the two rosters and expect the Dolphins to win, even if you have a pro-Miami bias.
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How can you say that?
As much as I think we are going to come out ahead, how can you possibly think that our teams are not evenly matched? We beat you guys 2x last year. Now even if I were to buy into your “the second game was a fluke” argument, the fact is the first game was not. So if we split last year instead of going 2-0 you would say that we were pretty evenly matched.
Looking at rosters is good if you are playing Madden, but we are talking about real life. Jason Taylor was let go because we have a OLB that we feel is going to be much better than him and we wanted to move on. Even Jason Taylor commented about how Miami fans were going to forget his name very soon with Wake at OLB. Make the case that your team is better. Fine, they are your team. But to say that our teams aren’t even in the same league? really?
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
JT better than Cameron wake?
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
But your missing that the rest of the article points out
how Wake isn’t and everydown player, and has to fight for playing time.
“His inability to master everything else that comes with the outside linebacker position — run stuffing, pass coverage, quickly diagnosing plays — continues to hinder his development,”
Are you serious?
I’m sorry, but your arguments no longer have validity. To sit there and tell me, let alone anybody (Jets fans included) that the Jets are “far more talented than” the Dolphins is absolutely ludicrous. Absurd.
The most general measure of success in the NFL is wins. The Dolphins are 9-9 over the past two seasons (since Rex took over, and I’m SURE you would want to start there) while the Jets are 10-8 in that time. I do not think that a one-game difference makes you FAR more talented than we are, and as for quarterback play: well, see my other post.
What I think is that YOU know zilch about football, because you were either CUI/CWI (commenting under the influence/while intoxicated), or are clearly delusional about the odds of this game.
Speaking of odds: Dolphins are giving 2.5 points at Sportsbook.com, and giving 2 at Bodog.com. Take away the home field advantage points, and each site basically says that the game is even on a neutral field.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
can I chime in?
My opinion is that yes the Jets are the more talented team. Talent doesn’t always lead itself to wins however which says more about the situation than anything else.
A coach of mine once told me something that in my youth I rolled my eyes at but now I hold it to heart. You take 3 things with you on the field. Talent (which is given to you by God or nature or whatever you believe in). You can’t buy talent or manufacture it. You can refine skill but you just can acquire talent. The other two things you can control. Heart and Intelligence.
I find it funny when a fan of a team loses and then says “yeah but we are still the better team”. Yes your team may have more talent, but something else in that formula had to give. Most likely a lack of heart or mind.
So I would say that in the last 2 years, the Jets have more talent on their roster, but much as it pains me to say maybe the fins have been the better “team”
Of course this year things will change for the better :)
España 2010 Campenoes del Mundo!!!
I'm sorry even on a neutral site no, 2-2.5 at home is not equal on a neutral site
I would not say far better, but quite simply the Jets are better. The only way the Dolphins would become better than the Jets is if Henne steps up and proves he’s far better than Sanchez, otherwise position by position (as a group) the Jets are either equal, a little better, or far better than the Phins. The exception to that may be RB, and DL, but even there the Jets are only slightly behind with the potential to be as good even better. Look at it like this:
QB – Even (maybe Jets slight edge, both still have a lot to prove)
RB – Phins slight edge
OL – Jets
TE – Jets
WR – Jets
DL – Even (if you were healthy I’d give you a slight edge)
LB – Jets
CB – Jets
S – Jets
BTW Dave if we are using odds to prove the better team...
Jets are 12-1 to win the SB
Fish are 22-1 to win SB
as per bodog
Dave, thank you.... :)
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OK ... how about this ...
The second game was closer than it should have been last year because our defense was so bad … The second that we fired Paul Pasqualoni as defensive coordinator our defense got better. Then when we stole Mike Nolan from Denver we got even better. How can you talk about what happened last year and overlook how we could do nothing but get better on defense from last year to this year. Sanchez is looking better than last year too, but so is Henne. We also added a real #1 WR this year as well. We are an overall better team than we were last year. You may shut Marshall down with Cromartie, and I am not saying that Cromartie is not going to be evenly matched up there. But there is a dimension to our offense that just didn’t exist last year, that has to be constantly accounted for.
You guys were productive against us on offense last year, but we were so bad last year on defense it hurt me to watch every single game… I knew as soon as we scored it was only a matter of time before the other team came back and scored .. sometimes it really didn’t take more than a play or 2. Towards the end of the season our defense would regularly give teams a 27 point head start, and make our offense try to catch up.
I would really like to see someone unnerve the QB that most people over at Phinsider refer to as “the Robot” … and if you can get him behind where he actually has to throw the ball deep … that would be good too …
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Dude, no offense, but Mark Sanchez is no better than Chad Henne at this stage in either quarterback’s development.
Henne has a 77.46 QB Rating after 15 starts in this league, including a 61.12 completion percentage, 13 TD vs. 13 INT, for 3,082, 205.47 YPG and 6.41 Y/A.
13 of those starts were without Brandon Marshall.
Sanchez: 70.73 QB Rating after 20 starts, with a 55.49%, 19 TD:22 INT, 3,277 yards, 163.85 YPG, 6.78 Y/A.
I was generous and accounted for Sanchez’s playoff starts last season. Very generous.
And yet: Henne is better across the board, save for Y/A and a slightly lesser TD/game. Every other ratio belongs to Henne, and Henne’s started less games in the NFL.
How can you possibly argue that Henne is a not very good quarterback while expecting that the Jets are going to even come close to contending for the Super Bowl with yours?
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I share your opinion whole-heartedly.
It just bothers me a hell of a lot when any team, division rivals especially expect to come into a game with us and just tear us apart, annihilate us to the point where we would rather put a white flag on the field and walk off with our heads down.
It bothers me more that, regardless of what the reasons are for it, we have the better record and any Jets fan can still tell us they expect to win the game. Like it’s a given.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I can remember hearing from most Vikings fans that they were going to run us over.. Their main blogger had to comment about how they needed to stop looking at last week’s game as an easy win, and realize that we were a tough team. We once again snuck up on another team, even though our offense was not really showing the potential that we all know they have.
Now everyone in the NFL is talking about how bad the Vikings were and that they are not the team they were last year. Is it possible that we have improved that much on defense from one year to the next? We only had 4 of the 11 guys starting last week that were starting last year, and we have a new scheme. GIven the fact that our defense last year was so pathetic that we were basically just trying to slow teams down as they did whatever they wanted to against us, is it hard to make the connection that we are better than we were last year?
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The Vikings had no receivers in that game, Favre was admittedly rusty and played horribly, and you won by 4 pts recovering a Favre fumble in the end zone and benefitted from 2 red zone picks.
To try to make it seem like you beat a good team is delusional. You were greatly fortunate to getthe turnovers where you did, faced an offense without 2 of its best weapons, and a QB who was banged up and admitted that he didn’t know what was going on on a lot of plays.
OK then,
The Patriots are nothing like they have been the past few seasons. Wes Welker is still getting himself back to 100%, Randy Moss is slowly become a shell of his former self, Julian Edelman is hurt, and anybody who knows anything about football will admit that the Patriots defense is significantly worse than either the Jets or Dolphins.
I can exaggerate too, buddy. Why don’t YOU guys admit that YOU’RE the delusional ones if you discount two consecutive wins on the road to begin a season, one a division game and one against an NFC Championship game participant of last season. I don’t want to hear the excuses. We beat a talented team, and that’s all there is to it. Does not matter what the score was. We won.
Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!
by Dave.Phuller on Sep 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the "luck" that you have when Tom Brady turns it over
3 times in a single game….
:)
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LOL Dolphins fans
getting all defensive. Let’s see if you wake up from the delusional world you’re in after Sunday’s beatdown.
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Settle down...
Perhaps I should have posted a big “SARCASM” in front of everything.
CB and I had a fairly decent debate about whether we were lucky for turning over Brett Favre 4 times in the Minnesota game. and I argued it would be more considered lucky when Brady turns it over 3 times, then Favre turning it over 4 times….
We had a difference in opinion :)
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Thats silly
the luck was that you were playing Favre, and he commits unforced errors all the time doesn’t matter the defense it all has to do with his wildness.
Brady on the other hand doesn’t recklessly throw interception to anyone, a defense actually has to challenge him and force him to do that, it wasn’t luck it was skill.
So its luck when we force turnovers
But skill when you do.
Okay, I got it.
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No...
Its luck that you were playing Favre, nothing about his turnovers are forced, except for the fact that he recklessly forces it.
Listen Favre is just simply a special case its all on him...
I’ve seen him tear apart the best secondary, and throw 5 pick to awful ones, its just the luck of which Brett Favre you play that day.
Feed the wolf started in the weight room... In the offseason..
It has nothing to do with the Jets …
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
KINDA similar
to the Jets and Jets fans treating pre-season games like the superbowl!
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Feed the Wolf has been the slogan since Training Camp....
Has nothing to do with this game.
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I personally fell like Cro's specialty
is when he’s in man coverage. If he gets physical, I don’t see any reason as to why he can’t take Marshallout of the game just like Moss.
how often does one get the chance get to use Cro and physical in the same sentence?
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
you have to let Cro loose
If we double Marshall, then the blitz will be non effective. The Jets need to mix coverage but don’t go away from what they do best.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 23, 2010 10:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cro has been abused by Marshall before
The strange thing is he’s actually better covering him, than he is defending a bubble screen. When he was able to play straight man under Wade Phillips in SD he was straight beastly, although at that time the Chargers pass rush was beyond good
IMO
STOP THE RUN!!!
Everything else will follow.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Sep 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone saying the game will be a blowout is just a moron
How many times did the Dolphins get blown out last season? Hmmm….none? How many times this season? Hmmmm….none.
How many times did the Jets get blown out last season? I’m going with none. How many times this season. Its still none.
The Dolphins and Jets don’t get blown out. It just doesn’t happen. Teams with good defenses rarely get beat bad.
This should make everyone feel better. :) Seriously, Jets fans, when is the last time you shut a game off in the 4th quarter because it was out of hand? As a Dolphins fan, you have to go all the way back to Week 2 of 2008.
They were blown out by the Bills last year
you lose by more than two TD’s its a blowout, even if it was with 24 unanswered points in the 4th quarter.
gavel you're so off your rocker its ridiculous
The game was tied 14-14 with 3 minutes left. NOT a blowout. Even if you DO count that, you’re still a moron if you think either team is going to get blown out. Comments like that just set you up to get ridiculed even more when your team loses.
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