Two Key Matchups
To prepare for this Sunday's contest, Matty I of The Phinsider and I are both breaking down a pair of matchups.
I asked Matty for his take on both center vs. nose tackle battles.
Without question, Mangold is one of the top two or three centers in the league. I don't like the Jets (obviously) but I always enjoy watching Mangold play because he's a powerful, physical center who can really neutralize even the best defensive tackles. With that said, the Dolphins likely won't be asking for too much out of Soliai on Sunday. He'll likely continue to split reps at nose tackle with Randy Starks - who was the starting nose in week one but had to fill the vacant starting DE spot created by the injury to Jared Odrick.Soliai is stout at the point of attack when he is in there but tends to have trouble with centers who can match his strength. His ability to eat up space will obviously be crucial to stopping New York's ground game. I think Jet fans will be surprised by how difficult it's going to be for Mangold to move Soliai at the point of attack. But Soliai likely won't be getting any penetration. So I'm thinking this battle ends in a draw.
More importantly, though, keep an eye on Starks when he slides inside in pass-rushing situations. His combination of size, strength, and quickness (for a 300 pound man, of course) could be the exact recipe to give Mangold difficulty.
This is going to be a very critical matchup for sure. I've watched my fair share of Jet games over the past year and I've always been impressed with the job Pouha does when he's had to fill in for Kris Jenkins. He's obviously no Jenkins - I know this. But I always seem to notice how active Pouha is along that defensive front. And, frankly, I'm worried about this matchup.
Berger was a surprise winner of the center competition in camp, beating out Jake Grove - who has since been released. Though Berger is the better pass blocker of the two, Grove was definitely stronger at the point of attack. Berger's ability to run block worries me. He's not consistent and hasn't proven he can handle the bigger, stronger nose tackles in this league. Last year, Berger took over the starting center job in late November. Over those final six games, the running game struggled. The Dolphins averaged just 3.83 yards per carry during that stretch. Some think it's because the aging Ricky Williams wore down after seeing his role increase due to the season-ending injury suffered by Ronnie Brown. There's probably some truth to that. But I think Berger being forced into action had something to do with it as well.
Still, Berger won the job this year because of his performance in camp and the preseason. But I still think his run blocking needs improvement - which is why I will give a slight edge in this matchup to the Jets.
I personally think Mangold is going to give Solai and Starks big problems. He's handled lesser players. The center-nose tackle sets the tone against a 3-4 defense. A center who can get leverage allows the other players to find other players to block. A nose tackle capable of drawing a double team keeps the other guys on the defense clean. I think the Jets will have both in this game.
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He’s handled lesser players.
You mean better players right? Not part of the grammar police, just trying to understand what you mean.
Anyway, I agree, we should dominate both match-ups. I believe the Berger, Pouha match-up is more critical because the Jets stop their run they don’t win. Of course, there’s the chance they run back two kickoffs and one fumble return for touchdowns.
high hopes
i dont think mangold will “handle” solia without a double team. starks is too quick and will colapse the pocket. nice game against the pats last weekend. jets need to bring their “A” game. Sun Life Stadium will be rockin, dolphins/jets games are always fun. let Sanchez know i got a hot dog on the grill for him! good luck guys
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Mangold
Man Im pretty sure that this phinsider post is just a BIT biased. Number 1, Mangold went against Kris Jenkins every day in training camp to prepare him for this season and as we all saw in Hard Knocks, he did a pretty good job of that. If he can win point of attack vs. Jenkins consistently, Im pretty sure he can handle solia without problem. Secondly, the Jets just played the Pats and how many times did you hear Vince Wilfork’s name called? I cant remember a single time. Sure he was doubled a few times throughout the game, but there were also times that I saw Mangold 1v1 on VW and he was not allowing any penetration in the pass rush. VW is one of the best NT/DTs in the game, I think that you have to give the Jets the edge in this matchup.
Wrong Key Matchup
This game will be decided by a coaching matchup. Nolan vs Shottenheimer.
Nolan has improved the Dolphins Defense enough that it is winning games for the Fish without an offense.
Shott has had two game plans. One cost the jets a game where our D only gave up ten points and got the ball twice in the Ravens end of the field. He also provided a game plan where a sophomore Qb blew up the Pats.
Nolan is consistent. He will have plan for our team that puts Sanchez in places he does not want to be. If Shott gets conservative as I suspect, running on first and second down, this could get ugly. If Shott surprises Nolan, we should blow the Fish out.
Again, while the information above is interesting and I think your opinions are slightly more accurate than your Fish compadre, Nolan v Shott decides this game.
Harlan
If we can get a push with our center and RT, and send the RG to clean up a LB, which i believe is likely, we’ll be able to run straight up the gut of their team for big chunks.
We will win the trenches on both sides.
Not to mention...
If you can figure out how to score more points than us you will probably win ….
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Keller is another big match-up problem.
The Fins have had issues with TEs. Shianco sliced them up pretty good last week. I think the Jets should line up Edwards and Keller on the the right side, which should keep the safety to that side back. This will open up the running game but also, with Braylon running deep routes splittting the corner and safety, it will open up things underneath for Keller.
Attack Wake with this allignment on 2nd and long with quick, shallow out routes by Keller with Sanchez rolling out to that side, and maybe a couple of screens to LD. It will make him hesitate in his rush and look to bat balls down.
Agreed
We need to get their safeties to creep up and wear down their linebacking corps by running the ball down their throats and being physical to create even more opportunities/mismatches. Shonn Greene is a bruiser and I want him to carry off tackle and make the front seven hesitate a bit when squaring up with him, allowing some quick cuts from our change of pace LT! That moments hesitation allows for Keller to get open a little easier over the middle, sets up the play action beautifully and creates holes. I also want to see more of that trips/bunch formation which was quite effective against the pats. Granted the phins secondary is a lot better than the pats, we cant forget AP gashed the dolphins on the ground which I think we can be effective doing as well.
by MA Jets Fan on Sep 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I especially like that trips formation you brought up. Braylon, Keller, J-Co in trips is a tough tough cover. All run good routes and all are good after the catch. And its much tougher to double both Braylon and Edwards when they’re bunched.
Right
And then they have a tight end in with the o-lineman and their safeties presumably deep because of a “passing” formation which creates a favorable matchup in the trenches as well, you can run in this formation too as we did in the game against the pats with one back in the backfield. Have two plays in this formation called in the huddle, depending on the look you get from the secondary call either the run or a pass and get the matchups you want
by MA Jets Fan on Sep 23, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless we line up Vontae on Edwards and dare you to throw it that way ....
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
neither do we ...
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
of course ...
I wouldn’t be afraid to match up Jason Allen on Braylon Edwards … or Sean Smith… or Nolan Carroll…. not really worried about Braylon Edwards …
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Phinsider
Visiting that site is hilarious/pathetic, lol. There are numerous posts about how the Dolphins history is more illustrious than the Jets and how they all hate the Jets, etc. its pretty funny how scared they are of our team. Maybe its because recent history hasnt favored them so much, seeing as how they are 7-17 against us since 1998. That trend continues sunday.
What was the Jets record vs the Dolphins last season?
Because I am pretty recent history is all that matters in match ups. Unless Marino and Namath are planning to plan.
Nobody is afraid of the Jest.
How is it hilarious and pathetic? It's probably the most active and biggest sb nation blog
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
During Miami/Jets Week, of course.....
It was REALLLY bad this offseason… but with all the ridiculous hype and news stories you guys had in the regular media, you were just feeding it.
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It's not hating,
The reason there are articles about the jets is because it’s the week the Dolphins play the jets. If it was another week then you wouldn’t see anything jet related on the phinsider. So what? were not allowed to talk about the jets during the week of the Miami vs jets game?
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 23, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy your’re on crack if you think that the only time there are jets articles on Phinsider is this week. There’s a fanpost or fanshot just every single day.
And how would you know that? do you go to the phinsider every day?
and no your wrong any other week there is rarely anything jet’s related. And no am not on crack.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 23, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Mangold is beast....
I can’t see him being pushed around in Miami unless his injury gives him problems. I see the Jets running game as getting stronger as the game goes on.
Thanks for the post. Good to talk about somehting other than female reports and DUIs.
Outside pass rush
Cam Wake/Misi outside vs. Woody is a little unnerving, may have to bring a back to chip him on the outside, though if slauson mangold and moore can hold the middle, sanchez step up in the pocket, back slips out after the chip giving the checkdown option
Wake on Woody is worrisome. But Misi? Eh. I think Wake lines up to the TE side mostly though. So if you know he’s rushing, he’s going to leave gaping hole behind him. Can also screen his ass a few times and hit a couple swing passes out that way.
If he’s rushing, and we’re sending Keller and Braylon out on that side, the backs are going to be tough to cover if they chip and release into the flat.
can you really call it trolling?
when the lead writer from Phinsider and GGN ask and incourage readers to post on the sites???? to be honest with you, its not the jets so much that i dont like, just your loud obnoxious coach. kind of ironic how he tells his guys (via the press) he’s tired of the distractions….well if that’s the case, maybe he should have said no to “hard knox” or left that reporter alone, or kept his middle finger put away when he was in miami. then there’s whole “future champions” line written on the bus. i can see how he is trying to avoid the distractions. but hey, atleast he man’s up and takes the blame for starting it…..er wait….oh, no….he didnt…he blamed it on his players………
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I thought the point was to discuss match-ups. Coming over here just to say the Jets suck, or the like, really doesn’t add to the discussion and is pure trolling.
Nobody here really trolls. We talk football for the most part. Yeah we can be homers just like any other fanbase, but you don’t get the nonsense from us that we get from you. You won’t find multiple and daily posts on GGN dedicated to the Phins.
Fr8 is one of the few Phinsiders that comes over and keeps it to football. He can be a homer sometimes, and its annoying, but we all are. I can get into with Fr8 abot our teams and match-ups and at least have a discussion. Most of the other guys that come over to do nothing but troll.
Yup, and we certainly can have some heated debates, and disagree....
But its about football. Nobody every sees things the same way, especially on opposing teams, and even more so hated rivals.
I think you are WAY off your rocker sometimes, but you lose focus :) but, hey, you are a Jets fan, you are entitled to argue for the Jets until you pass out…… Phin fans do the same. If we all got a long, what would be the point of the game anyway?
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Oh im definitely off my rocker… more than sometimes. Lol. But IMO, so long as we’re talkin football its all good. And i never comment on your sight unless its about the Jets, and i generally just talk about my team positively and unapologetically over there. I just wish that a lot of the guys that come here would come to talk football.
Well, I think we can both say that we get a fair amount of trolls on both sites.
Usually its the trolls here, we consider trolls over at Phinsider….
and I’m sure the trolls over there, are people you aren’t exactly endeared with over here.
It is what it is….I just kinda learned to filter out the annoying people.
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That is true.
And I get annoyed at the Dolphin fans who troll over here just to start shit. I mean, these are divisional rivalries, they are supposed to be the most important games of the regular season. With that importance comes the chance to discuss the game with opposing fans who have the same vested interest in the game as you do.
I don’t post over here a whole lot, but when I do I try to keep it about football as much as possible, or maybe a light hearted joke meant in good fun. But I learned my lesson last year about how trolling and going the whole “Jets suck blah blah blah” route can just get out of control.
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i have been to GGN. i am not trying to troll. but i do like to start a little picking. my best friend lives on long island and has been a jets fan for years. it’s all in good fun. but honestly, i dont think the jets are aware of the difference in the miami team this year, not just in personell, but in attitude. the jets fans, as for the rest of the NFL, will see that on nation tv sunday night. come on GGN, besides your play-off games last year, what were the best jets games you saw? win or lose? the first Fins/Jets game last year was a classic. it’s gonna be a great one again.
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I don’t think we mind a little picking. I for one love it. I love a little smack. Even a lotta smack. Tell us that Long and Marshall are gonna dominate and why. We can go back and forth all day. But the “Jests suck, Rex is fat, Sanchez eats hot dogs…” stuff needs to stay over in Phintasyland.
well rex is fat, but so am i so thats fine
but…..as far as marshall..here’s my thought mashall and cromatrie are both probowlers so that could be a wash. were i think miami will find success is when your rookie cb (william’s?) covers the slot. i see bess catching lots of 5-7 yard passes for first downs. miami fared well against a strong minnesota rush defense. as long as brown and williams hold onto the ball. i see another 120 yard 1 TD combined performance from the miami backfield. i am conserned with LT. not so much with him running anywhere, but he does well when he catches those swing passes to the outside, and the screens up the middle. henne hasnt been spectacular this year but he isnt throwing any pics. what you see is what you get with henne. sanchez though, as you saw against the pats, can make plays but im sure he drives you nuts with the pics. strange as it sounds i sew a defensive gem, that somehow ends up in the 45 total point range.
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by frostyphinfan on Sep 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
*see
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by frostyphinfan on Sep 23, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rush
I think the Jets are going to be pretty stout when it comes to run defense after having seen this offense enough the past few years which may force henne into more passing situations than he’d like to be in in the face of the rush. Now thats how the Jets got him to throw a few picks in the second game last season and they could employ the same tactic. Now if they wanna run trick plays out of the wildcat then thats great but Ronnie Brown might not be as accurate as Henne unless his man is wide open
Keep in mind, Henne is the only QB to go 2-0 against you last year..
He was also the most effective and accurate QB you guys faced last year stats wise…
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first game Ill give you
He had something like a 130 rating but the 2nd game your offense was anemic he threw for 110 yds and did nothing
There ya go. Trust the Jets to throw many confusing looks at Henne to baffle him, he still hasnt started enough to diagnose the defense as well as Tom Brady and look how he played against the Jets last week
While his stats were bad, they were still better than Sanchez vs. Ravens :)
He was actually twice what CB stated, but CB likes to just make up numbers from time to time :) lol
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You're right my bad. But i'm a victim here.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=291101020
ESPN messed up their stat lines.
I think last year that really played into what happened ..
However, Henne has been facing Mike Nolan’s defense all training camp. It will be an interesting matchup on both sides of the ball. We are leaps and bounds ahead of where we were last year on defense. I think that is at least one reason that Henne has been a bit gun shy so far with airing the ball out. He will eventually figure out he can do things against other defenses that he could never try against the Dolphins defense. But a week like this week facing that defense will help him be better prepared for the Jets defense than he was last year.
On the other side, Sanchez is used to facing the Jets defense and will be much better suited to go against the Dolphins new defense than what I would want….
We will see how it all shakes out…
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
We are leaps and bounds ahead of where we were last year on defense.
Really? You played the Bills and a Viking team with no passing options.
I think that is at least one reason that Henne has been a bit gun shy so far with airing the ball out.
Didn’t he chuck it 35x against the Bills? I wouldn’t say thats gun shy.
Not gun shy in the number of attempts ...
That really isn’t his call. When you dump the ball off to your RB on a good number of plays and stay away from the deep routes, I would call that gun shy.
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 25, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
ummmm.....CB
Henne was 12 for 21, 112 Yards…1 TD, no INTs
1st match up he was 20 of 26, 241 yards, 2 TDs no INTs.
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what does the rest of the jets secondary
look like outside of cromartie and revis? with revis out, do they move that rookie to the outside? or do you have someone else to put out there?
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decent
Kyle Wilson will come into his own if eased into his role although he was torched and penalized in the first game of the season, he will start opposite cromartie. cro has gotten a few DPIs and holding calls but had a killer 2nd half against the pats, drew coleman has been elevated up to nickel CB and he was absolutely throttled in the Indy AFCC game last year but played very well in last week’s game. Otherwise the safeties brodney pool and eric smith will split time, pool being good in coverage and smith likes to lay the wood at the expense of penalties sometimes. Then Jim Leonard is the strong safety and can cover as well as tackle but is small and can have trouble with tall TEs.
who is your nickel corner??
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
kyle wilson is actually pretty good, its just not easy to play your first nfl game lining up against boldin on monday night fotball
Oh I agree
Im just saying there is a learning curve, he never should have been 1 on 1 vs Boldin that often in his first NFL start
and here is a shot in the dark.....
we all know the jets have been getting lots of love from the media…..do you think the jets are over-rated at all? and if not, will you guys give miami a little respect if we do win? what are the weakest points on the jets, in your opinion? do you consider them to be favorites to win the AFC over other teams like ; colts, ravens, pats?
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no trouble admitting where we are weak
Obviously the backup defensive lineman are going to need to step up with the loss of a great defensive player like Kris Jenkins so that may be an area of concern, however when he was lost last year in week 7 the run defense actually improved over the remainder of the season. The secondary will suffer without darrelle but once they start to gel a little more I am not concerned, cro/wilson/revis they are all very talented. On offense it may take a little time for slauson to pick up all the subtle calls and blitz pickups until he plays a few more games and he needs to work on his pulling. Obviously Mark Sanchez needs to be more consistent and play like he did last week more often. The Jets could not have played much worse against a very good Ravens team and they lost by a single point. So yes I do see the Jets being more than capable of competing for the AFC title. They will only get better as the season progresses
You could easily make the case...
That Pioha did better against us than Jenkins did last year. Then again, in the second game we were without Ronnie Brown, and Jake Grove… Then again … Now Joe Berger is now our starting Center and I would be lying if I told you I was comfortable with that …
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
These will be a battle to keep our eyes on. Mangold is a beast! But he’s nursing a shoulder injury. Still, he will win some battles against Soliai. But I think more often than not it will be a stalemate in there. I have no idea how Starks will perform against him. He could either prove to be a force or nothing. That will be interesting.
Berger has a lot to prove this weekend against Pouha. Based on past performances I expect Pouha to give Berger lots of problems. But Berger has improved from last year. So, this will be his real test to see how far he as come. Containing Pouha will be key for Miami.
Basically for the most part I agree with Matty.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
I think that on running downs Mangold would run over Starks ..
But on passing downs he might have trouble with the quckness that Starks brings to the table …
Yes, I admit I have CLS... which might actually be a good thing, I was positive we were going to win it all with Saban, then with Cam ... and even last season... I wasn't expecting much in 2008 though ... Hopefully its unfounded ... we will see....
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 24, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Pouha
Keep in mind that he’s an NT. So how he does against Berger won’t be judged so much by how often Pouha gets into the backfield (his almost-sack on Brady was an exception) but by how often a second blocker has to engage him, leaving another rusher (probably a linebacker) to make the play. In general, the Jets’ line doesn’t get a lot of sacks, but it does create a lot of pressure.
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