Breaking: Braylon Edwards Charged with DWI
by Matt Birch on Sep 21, 2010 8:36 AM EDT
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PrintSince his move from Cleveland, WR Braylon Edwards has been on his best behavior. Browns fans were getting ready to eat their words. Unfortunately, he slipped up last night, and his loss may be the AFC East's gain, as the Jets have back to back divisional games coming up.
Edwards was busted while driving under the influence of alcohol.
NY Post provided the details surrounding his arrest.
Jets' wide receiver Braylon Edwards was busted on a drunken driving charge early this morning, after cops pulled him over on the West Side and found he had double the legal limit of alcohol in his system, cops said.
Edwards, 27, was arrested at 5:15 a.m. and charged with DWI, after cops pulled over his Range Rover at 34th Street and 12th Avenue for having overly-tinted windows. Police said they smelled alcohol and Edwards blew a 0.16 on a Breathalyzer, or double the state's legal limit of 0.08, cops said.
The Jets have issued a statement also:
"We are very disappointed in Braylon’s actions this morning," GM Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "The Player Protect program is in place for our organization to prevent this situation. Braylon is aware of this program and showed poor judgment.
"We are reviewing the information with the league and will impose the appropriate disciplinary measures."
Edwards will likely NOT face a suspension from NFL, unless Jets hit him with one.
His DWI does not fall under personal conduct policy, rather the substance abuse policy, according to Collective Bargaining Agreement.
If this is, indeed, his first violation of the substance abuse policy, he would be fined half-a-game check to a max of $50,000. Braylon also would be subject to evaluation, counseling and random testing, if league administrators determine that action, in addition to the fine (Per Chris Mortensen's Twitter).
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Jesus
What a goddamned selfish idiot.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
So What, this is insane
I live in a place where not only do they not have laws against DWI, but it is also legal to have an open can of beer in you hand and drink WHILE you drive. I do not drink alcohol and it always shocks me.
This is rediculous.
WR core is gonna look great for the next two weeks!
Curtis "my favorite" Martin - 1 of the best!
Siiiiiiiigh
This is really disappointing. It really looked like he had turned it around. Maybe it was just this one slip-up but it’s a pretty bad one :(
I fear for our offense. Lord knows what conservative depths Schotty will dive to now…
Can't these idiots afford drivers?
Seriously. Worst time for this due to no Santonio. Braylon used to be one of my favorite players since joining the Jets, but now…
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Right
Between the dumb fight he got into with LeBron’s friend, to the stupid taunting penalty on Sunday, and now this. The guy has always had issues, but he’s been pretty good since joining the Jets. This DUI comes on THE SAME DAY WHEN RYAN RIPPED HIM FOR ACTING SELFISHLY!!!! Is Edwards stubborn or just dumb?
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Hopefully he’ll appeal, and get this suspension postponed until Holmes comes back. I wouldn’t cut him loose, but this should be his last season as a Jet.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Sep 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Are you freaking high? He’s done nothing but help the Jets, besides this incident. Who’s going to replace him genius?
This is a pretty bad incident, though
Granted this is his first transgression with the Jets…but he’s a grown ass man in a high profile position, he should know better than to get trashed and get behind the wheel of a car. He totally let the team down by being selfish. Ironic, given that Ryan had just criticized him for being selfish with the whole “taunting” thing from Sunday. This is going to cost him some games, and we can’t afford to lose anyone from the receiving corps right now.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Holmes...
I’ve been saying it all along, we probably only keep one with both being FA at the end of the season. Holmes is the better player, and that’s who we should make first priority. Although no way we should cut Edwards yet.
by Judgegavel on Sep 21, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not high, but Braylon might be. That’s why I said “after the season.”. There’s something called trades and free agency.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Sep 21, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Question....
I saw a tweet for Mortenson that said this does not fall under the personal conduct policy, but that it falls under substance abuse… If Braylon doesn’t have any other instances, he may get away with this one (See Ronnie Brown for an example)
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AAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!
Braylon you GD idiot!!!! You have a great game and then go out on a freaking Monday night, get bombed and get behind the wheel…..You dumb M F’er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just heard Clayton say the league is unlikely to take action until he's gone through legal process, which won't be until next year.
He also said that the Jets can be pro-active and suspend him, and the league won’t take further action.
If the Jets were smart, they should resign him now while his head is scrambled for a huge discount, then suspend him for the Buffalo game.
Yeah, a huge discount until he screws up again and gets suspended.
We all know a lack of concentration causes drops…if you see where I’m going with this…
Braylon if you want to be taken seriously in this league you need to grow the F up brother!
Seriously Braylon, the time for partying is when the season’s over and you’ve kissed the trophy man!!!
Yup
We shouldn’t cut him or anything, but we have every right as fans to be disappointed in his stupidity. He’s such a good weapon the field it’s a shame to see him hurt the team with this crap.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
On the Bright Side
Two points:
1 – At least Santonio will be back after the Buffalo game
2 – At least now Mike T’s decision as to which WRs stay and which ones go will be much easier.
:(
To quote Frank Caliendo / Dr. Phil: “Braylon Edwards, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!”
Why can't they keep both?
Braylon hasn’t played so good he deserves a huge contract and Holmes hasn’t even been on the field yet.
There’s no reason that they can’t keep both, it’s not like there’s a young superstar breaking out this year for us.
There will be other teams that would want them and pay a higher price
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 21, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Braylon and Holmes have both hurt their FA value with their off the field behavior, although after what Lebron did to Cleveland, Edwards is probably now a hero for punching out one of his entourage.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Sep 21, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of them would have to take a Paycut for both to be able to stay.
I think I see Braylon doing this more than I’d see Holmes….We’ll see.
So stupid
Get a damn cab, you’re rich.
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Jets don't have to suspend him, but I doubt he's on the field this weekend.
The “new” NFL will probably more than likely have the Jets suspend him for this week even though they aren’t required to.
There's no way in hell they suspend him this weekend.
If they suspend him at all, it will be against an easy opponent after Holmes comes back.
I'm not saying they should do it but....
Just wouldn’t look too good for the Jets if he’s on the field this weekend. I think the NFL in general is getting very sensitive to crap like this….I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s benched
There in a “info collecting” stage and won’t make any determination until they’re “comfortable they’ve got all the facts.” That is unlikely to be done by Sunday.
Even if it was done by Sunday, The Jets have a CRUCIAL GAME against the Team in First Place IN THEIR DIVISION.
Without Holmes being there, you think the Jets FO and Coaching Staff would be idiotic enough to keep Braylon out in a game where we’d NEED to score TDs to Win?? You take Braylon out, who do you put in his place?
EXACTLY.
It would be Cotch and Keller…that’s it. They should bench him for the Buffalo game.
let him play this week, suspend him for the Bills game.
We need him against a pretty good Miami secondary. As for the bills we don’t have to attempt a pass against them.
still in custody at the moment
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Probably trying to determine if he's Al Quaeda or something. I bet that's why he was pulled over in the first place.
after cops pulled over his Range Rover at 34th Street and 12th Avenue for having overly-tinted windows.
I mean…overly-tinted windows? C’mon….you cops could come up with something better…
Do you know whats really disturbing
Braylon Edwards was out with Donte Stallworth drinking the night Stallworth killed a man while driving drunk. To see what happen to Donte and STILL place yourself in a situation that could have been deadly is very stupid. Hope he gets a serve punishment AFTER the Miami game. Gonna kick his drunk ass all over the field
by afceast on Sep 21, 2010 10:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, didn't know that. I'm sorry, if that can't give you perspective on the consequences of immature behavior, then he should be traded.
I know, I’m going over the top, but I do respect human life.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 21, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup while both ith the Browns...
They were very good friends. From Stallworths statement in the article Braylon brought most of the alchol that night but still Stallworth did a horrible thing getting behind the wheel. Its just shocking after seeing a friend go thru that and a person losing their life that you would put yourself in a similar situation.
It just shows
That Braylon is a very, very stupid man.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Sep 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon Big O. Let’s get the priority list straightened out right now:
1. Beat the Dolphins
2. Make the playoffs
3. Win the Superbowl
Youy can throw respect for human life in there somewhere on the list, but not in the top three.
by nationalist88 on Sep 21, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If guilty, he should be suspended ASAP. If the league doesn’t step up, the team should and show this is not acceptable.
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What are his chances of playing Sunday against the Dolphins?
If I recall, in the games we played against them last year he really shined.
How will we know he’s guilty though?
Will take months for court proceeding.
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I agree.
Double the legal limit is pretty conclusive, he’s got no excuse in that situation. It’s a bigger PR hit to us to let him play then it is to BS with “gathering facts” and have him on the field.
Screw the PR Hit. Everyone was crapping on the team even before this. Remember what happened after we lost to the Ravens?
Besides, we are trying to win the Division here….
You want to bench him? Do it against a team that is and will be virtually no threat this year(Buffalo).
Yeah, but IMO we might as well not give anyone more ammo to use again us.
And again IMO, I think it’s the right thing to do for the player and the team. As a fan wanting our team to win I understand and won’t want him to sit out if I was only think about that perspective.
Timmaht, at this point, So much ammo has been fired the Jets way, that another bullet won't make much of a difference.
Just as long as the Jets DO give the Proper punishment to Braylon, that’s all that matters.
It's a bullet of a different flavor.
We get flack for dumb crap for the most part. This, presumably when the dust settles, will be deserved flack if we don’t handle this correctly. But, yeah, I think we agree here on principle just not the implementation of the punishment. And we both wanna see some Fins get destoryed as well, which works.
He wasn't pulled over because of erratic driving, he was pulled over because his windows were too tinted.
Maybe he wasn’t even drunk. Maybe he had a few drinks, got pulled over, gargled some mouthwash and blew a high number from the alcohol in the mouthwash.
Pssshhh, really?
Actually, didn’t Mythbuster disprove that mouthwash idea? But, either way, I highly doubt anything other then he was over the legal limit is going to come from this. Plus, shouldn’t this millionaire have someone checking if his f-ing tint is the legal limit…it’s so frustrating how dumb alot of these really lucky athletes are.
Who cares if what his limit was when his driving was fine?
If he’s driving fine, why did he get pulled over? Some of us know what getting pulled over because of tints is really all about.
Just like some us know the what this statement is really all about:
it’s so frustrating how dumb alot of these really lucky athletes are.
I have a Criminal Justice Degree jack@$$, so don't imply I'm naive.
It doesn’t matter if they were following him because he was rich, black, or drunk coming out of a club, I’m not debating the right and wrong of profiling. If he’s had enough drinks for his sobriety to be in question and he still drives he is dumb. He has the money to call a $100 cab right, call Arnold to get the chopper, or have a teammate do the thinking for him. Hell, if I do it, I’m dumb een if I don’t have the money to have his options but I would have alot less to lose in comparison.
If you are a multimillion dollar athlete, you are lucky. Why? Because there is a very small percentage of athlete’s of pro sports calibur that make it there (Due to injuries, poor guidence, lack of connections, etc…). In reality, a very small percentage of future stars will actually get a opportunity to make it. So, yes it is lucky to get there, and even if 1% of millionare athletes screw it up at all when they have the money to prevent it, that is dumb on their parts. So my statement stands.
You aren't seriously going to pull the race card here are you CB?
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It's been pulled on multiple occasions here.
I started it by pulling the dumb card, the immature card, and the irresponsible card. Which are three traits that are colorless, I can say as a fact living in Japan, Europe (For a summer), and currently travelling around some hick areas in North Carolina.
I guess we can pretend that race is in no way part of what happened.
But I guess we assume these guys are dumb and lucky because who would they be without football, right? I mean, you can’t glean anything racial out of that statement can you?
Enabler
That’s just what Braylon needs after the Stallworth incident, his fight outside the nightclub and this stupity. Let him blame it on racism. That will be sure to cure his obviously poor attitude and get him concentrated on the goals of the team. C’mon, man!
Anyone including your grandmother will get pulled over at that time of morning, because the cops know that if you’re on the road at that time, you are about 10X more likely to be a DUI than at 5pm. My father-in-law got pulled over at 4:30am on the way in to his company to check his night-shift manufacturing crew. He had on a business suit and looks like Peter Lynch (of Fidelity Magellan fame). Hardly a case of racial profiling.
Bottom line is that Braylon is a young guy who doesn’t appreciate his God-given talent. Even his own dad has been critical of him. So skip the race card BS. It’s been so overused, it doesn’t hold water anymore in 99% of the time it’s laid down.
by Black Dog Jet on Sep 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
People of all races are athletes, some get paid pro salaries, and
they all can end up in these positions.
“Plus, shouldn’t this millionaire have someone checking if his f-ing tint is the legal limit…it’s so frustrating how dumb alot of these really lucky athletes are.” – That’s the whole quote. I explained why he was dumb in the statement. Did I say “black” millionaire? I didn’t even say “black” tint. This argument is as far from color as anything.
I’ve already explained this pretty clearly and if you still think that is racist in anyway you have a problem. If this same thing happened to Mark Sanchez, Wes Welker, the Chinese Lineman the Bills got, or Jake Long (after having problems in the past that have shown their immaturity but still not acting like a responsible adult) I’d make the same statement, because they all have the money and the fame, and targets as multimillion dollar athletes.
dude cmon Crack
With tinted window how did race play a part here?
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I totally agree. But it does happen all the time and everyone knows it.
Including Braylon, the people he was hanging out with, his agent, the cops that pulled him over, and all of us. So why not avoid that potential situation especially while drinking.
Are you sure Braylon knew this?
I bet there are many that Live in NYC that had no idea about this ridiculous traffic law. Heck, I live in Jersey and I’ve never heard of any such law here….Hmm…maybe I should look it up.
But regardless, for the police to use THIS excuse to pull over Braylon is just a bit too fishy for me….
Maybe the Beard had something to do with it, too.
With all the paranoia regarding Muslims, Al Qaeda, and that stupid mosque they’re trying to build, perhaps the Cops thought he could’ve been “those people”.
Lot of what-if’s here.
yup you can't get you car inspected with tint on your windows
everyone knows
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Well the Cops, unfortunately, can do whatever the F they want..
But the “Tinted Windows” excuse is a bit…..farfetched.
If he didn't, his agent should have.
I mean, I agree with the What-Ifs, but in the end you end up being accountable for your actions so not knowing isn’t really an excuse in my book. I wonder if the care passed a NY inspection, because I know personally you shouldn’t legally pass inspection with your tint at too high of a grade.
then he can fight it
but if there is any tint on the front 2 windows, then it is not allowed as far as I know.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I mean the reason they use it as an excuse to pull people over is that it’s a subjective way to pull someone over. The legal level of tint is fairly low in NY if I recall correctly, most tint jobs go way above it because it isn’t a law in most states. But in NY they can measure it while getting your inspection. The problem is if one place refuses you can go to 10 other places that won’t hence putting you at risk to be pulled over.
I agree though there aren’t enough facts to make as deep of judgements as we are trying to make but we picked up these players knowing there baggage and it’s tough to see anything that might be a sign of it rearing it’s ugly head again.
thing is, Tim, as I stated above : The Police can do whatever the hell they want.
If they want to pull you over, they have a million asinine reasons(lame excuses) to do so and you can’t do anything about it.
Oh, I 100% agree it's asinine.
I’m just saying we know the reasons it happens. I’m not even saying that if the windows weren’t tinted it wouldn’t have happened. The fact is, cops pull people over just out of needing to fill a quota and they have 100 reasons why they can do it (And get away with it) based on their “judgement”.
it happens all the time its a reason in its self
yeah I agree but it happens all the time, its a dumb reason but in the states it is against the law cops use it all the time
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
no man you can't get tint on your windows in the front and not know
you can’t get your windows tinted without the tint place telling you its against the law. Otherwise people get a ticket and come back and want the ticket paid for and their money back. So they don’t do it in the first place with out making you fully aware.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
When I was in Driving class, this law was never explained to me.
When I got my license, this law was never explained to me.
And up till this point(and Story), I never knew about this law.
Did they teach you this law when you learned to drive, BL3ACH?
I don't think so, but why would they?
This is not a traffic law that you would learn in drivers ed, it has to do with your car. It is in the DOT handbook , I don’t blame Edwards for having tinted windows. He is famous I am sure he like his privacy. And if he got a ticket for 60 dollars, I am sure a ticket here and there is worth people not being able to tell it is him in the car.
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They would not tell you this while getting a license but getting a car registered this information is made available to me.
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Lets say he did not know, wouldn’t that be his fault because he did not seek that information out?
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Perfect example- I live in NJ where you can turn right at a red light unless there is a sign telling you not to. When I go to NYC I am so used to turning right unless I see a sign (in NYC it is always against the law to turn at a red light so there is no signs) I forget and do it anyway. I have been pulled over for it, usually I get a warning but I have gotten tickets for it before. I tried to use the excuse “officer I am from NJ I did not realize I could not do that” some times they buy it but other times the cop says “you are responsible for knowing the laws of the state you are in”
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It sucks but I can’t blame a cop for something that is on me, even if the cop is being a total douche, I left him a reason to pull me over in the first place. And I am sure cops make a lot of money on people not knowing the law because they are from somewhere else. Which is a total screw job but its the laws.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
The only reason I know that law is because
one of my good friends in high school delivered pizzas and he would get pulled over weekly for his tint, usually by the same couple of officers. So, he got it checked out and everything was right at the legal limits in NY at the time but since it was borderline the police got away with it everytime. He ended up getting the tints taken off after one of his windows got smashed basically out of convienence.
I agree John
If the Jets hit him with a 2 game suspension right now it might deter any further action by the league and will show a good stance against this kind of behavior. The Jets come out looking good. Braylon gets a slap on the wrist. And everybody forgets about this by week 5. Im wondering if the Jets drag their feet with this for a few days and let Edwards Play the Miami game. We shouldnt be suprised if they try to push this out a few days so they only have to suspend him for the bills and Vikings games.
by colinyoung on Sep 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If they suspend him for the Bills and Vikings games, that would be fine 'cause the Bills are an opponent we can afford to not have Braylon
and the Vikings? We’ll have Holmes back.
It all works out.
He was just showing the club how to drink like a Jet!
He must have been really sad that he didn’t get that game ball. It’s ok, I doubt the team will “gather all the facts” before the Miami game
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
On the contrary, I think this is a perfect time for jokes.
Nothing is going to happen this week. This is only his 1st offense with a substance abuse, so he will only get a fine from the league. It is up to the Jets to suspend him, and even that is iffy, since the Union frowns on teams handing out suspensions
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt not getting a game ball had anything to do with this. On the contrary, I bet he was out celebrating his solid performance in a big win.
The end of the night came (roughly 5 am), he already had his car in the city, and said “Screw it, I’ll just drive home instead of waiting for a ride to show up.”
Obviously a bad decision, but thousands of people make the same decision every weekend. I’m not defending his actions, just making the point that this probably has nothing to do with being a ‘cry baby’.
I'm guessing there was little sarcasm there.
But I agree, it would be pretty silly if he was a cry baby about that.
You have the right to joke all you want, but this idiot seen first hand the affects of driving while impaired
A life was loss, and it didn’t stop him from getting behind a wheel.
He is an idiot, nothing we say or do will change that
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we want Edwards on the field anyway if he's not 100% mentally.
I know people will debate this as he is our #1 receiver and we don’t have alot of debth there at the moment but, with the PR hit we get for sure, the mental issues he’ll have coming into the game, and the fact that he is clearly immature and needs to be held accountable it is to our detriment over the long haul to let him play.
Exactly
“In a recorded interview with police, Stallworth said he met fellow Browns receiver Braylon Edwards and others at a hotel sometime after 2 a.m. on March 14. Stallworth said he drank some tequila from Edwards’ table and later bought some shots himself.
“Three, four at the most,” Stallworth said. “I wasn’t really counting.”
This guy might have a serious drinking problem
Edwards, 26, said he and Stallworth had drinks earlier in the day by the pool at the hotel before “meeting at the nightclub. A receipt shows that Edwards spent $3,443 that night at the club – including $1,500 on Perrier-Jouet Rose champagne and $695 on Grey Goose vodka – and he said Stallworth didn’t seem impaired when they parted ways early the morning of the crash”
the only problem he has, is he is an idiot, and idiots shouldn't drink
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I also read that the alcohol might have had no influence on what happened that night.
Because the guy darted across the highway at the time and place he did, even if Stallworth wasn’t drinking that night, he probably would have hit and killed him.
Great way to spin it
Fact of the matter he was still UNDER THE INFLUENCE when he hit the guy. Doesn’t friggin matter the pedsetrian always has the right off way.
Just so you know
Stallworth, 28, is sentenced after pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter in the death of 59-year-old Mario Reyes
DUI MANSLAUGHTER being the keyword
No doubt he killed the guy. Also no doubt he was under the influence. But there is a doubt as to whether he killed the guy BECAUSE he was under the influence.
But it doesnt matter
Edwards was there seen what his friend went thru and seen the reprocussions of their actions that night. If that doesnt make someone use better judgement then nothing will.
There's no debate there really.
I think this guy should be suspended for at least 4 games. It’s not a team thing at that point (Even though it is a team PR thing), it should be a individual who is going to ruin his life kinda thing (Or ruin other peoples’).
Yea def. a suspension
But if the Jets do it atleast wait until Holmes comes back. I want the Miami game to be evenly matched and no advantages to either
Meh, I think there is no reason for a suspension if it's not immediate.
He needs to get his issues out there and worked on as well as have the punishment there immediately to be most effective, it’s about the individual here, not the team.
dude....WE NEED THAT IDIOT TO HELP US BEAT THE DOLPHINS!! THEY ARE 2-0!!
I’m not going to jeopardize the Jets Season because of MORALITY issues.
Play him this game and then you can suspend him all you want.
Even from that perspective, which I understand,
don’t you think he’ll be distract, which could lead to crucial drops and overall ineffectiveness? I doubt he’s going to be 100% there. I’m sure he’ll play. I just don’t think it’s good in the long term for him or the example it sets for the team.
A Distracted Braylon Edwards is better to have than lining up a focused David Clowney
don’t you think?
In the End, TALENT always wins out over Average Ability(Clowney)
I think the Fins D is good enough that if
our running game doesn’t beat them, I’ll be a little worried. They should cover better then the Pats and get pressure on Sanchez as well. But I’m confident in our run game to set up the pass.
If he couldn't drive, thats one thing. But apparently he could drive.
And if he could drive fine, whats the problem?
Somebody died
So obviously he couldn’t drive well enough. CRACKBACK YOU ARE A SORRY PERSON. Tell that mans family that because he could drive in YOUR mind the life HE took doesn’t matter. PATHETIC
well i apologize then
But c.b they thought Stallworth was ok to drive also and look at the results. All humans make mistakes but this is a pretty bad mistake to make espically if you seen first hand the horrible things that can happen
Although alcohol was involved, it might not have been the cause of the Stallworth incident. And if Braylon thought that was the case, he might have just processed it as an unfortunate set of circumstances. Which it arguably was.
And if Braylon felt he was ok to drive, and was in fact driving ok, I see no reason to drop the hammer on him.
you can debate all day whether alcohol affected his driving or not
but the bottom line is that Braylon broke the law, endangered himself and other people (not to mention putting himself ahead of the team). If you break the law and you are caught, then you will be punished.
by secret defense on Sep 21, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, afceast, the CB is debating the cause not the right and wrong of it because
obviously he was wrong/stupid/has no friends? for drinking and driving.
thats why some jurisdictions called driving while impaired.
The alcohol impairs your judgement. So even though he might not been at fault, the alcohol could had slowed down his reflex ability to avoid the person he hit.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think players should be out drinking during the season
it’s one thing to go out drinking during the offseason, but during the season it shouldn’t be allowed, somewhere in their contracts it should state no clubs and no going out drinking.
Not at all
He was wrong and should face punishment as well HOWEVER Ronnie Brown wasn’t involved in a situation where a person died and the AGAIN decided drinking and driving is an ok thing to do.
I know you get it so stop the silly role
Braylon Edwards provided Stallworh with alchol that night/morning. He was directly involved was even interviewed by police about it.
it doesn't make it any less wrong for Ronnie Brown
so stop putting your own player on a pedestal
Am against drinking and driving it doesn't matter who it is
And i wasn’t even talking about drinking and driving, i was talking about going out to drink and going out to clubs, these players get paid millions they have a big responsibility, i don’t think it’s to much to ask players not to go to clubs or other related places for 4-5 months of the year.
by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And they also have targets on their backs, which they know is there.
Even if they go out, it really is amazing how this happens still in the 21st century with basically handheld computers and 24 hour transportation. Even if he was out alone he could have gotten home and called someone to arrange to have his car picked up during that trip.
There are people with drinking problems, who drink way too much, and people with idiot problems, who are just idiots.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
I rather Braylon plays, because i want to see Vontae go up against him
If he is suspended, makes more sense to suspend him for the bills game and fine him.
why cant atheletes take a taxi?
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Oh but heres the kicker
JETS offer a FREE service where players can get a ride home if your drunk at ANYTIME no questions asked. Obviously he choose not to do that
Obviously he felt he was ok to drive. Obviously he was or he would have been pulled over for erratic driving.
But he was pulled over for dark tints.
Yup I guess he felt that way before also
“We’re friends. If he were anything outside himself, I would have told him to stay here. He looked OK. He looked fine,” Edwards said in a recorded statement.
The service isn't there for when the players don't feel OK.
It’s there for when they go out drinking. Braylon apparently doesn’t have good judgement and neglected to use the system, it’s not acceptable. Most DWI/DUI aren’t by people that are swerving erratically and he should know that.
Most people when we go out drinking....
…don’t have the luxury of being offered a free service to take us home, either. You either pony up money for a cab or simply do not drive home that night. I’m not saying I’m perfect, and I’m not saying I haven’t driven before when I should have (when I was in my early 20s a couple of times come to mind), but if there were consequences, I would have had to pay them. It would have been my fault for being a dumbass, and God forbid someone got hurt.
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by kotite4ever on Sep 21, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And there's also plenty of times when people may not have been legally drunk...
felt ok to drive, and drove home fine. Maybe Braylon’s driving wasn’t impaired enough to effect his driving. I suspect that if it was, that would have been why he got pulled over.
True enough
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by kotite4ever on Sep 21, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
CB, lets assume your theory of profiling is true, which it very well could be.
How does this make him any less responsible for his actions? Even if he knows he can drive fine, why should he not take the extra precaution?
Also, what is to say he didn’t come out of the bar and a Fins fan visiting NYC called the cops and said he was drunk? I’m not saying this is likely, but I’m sure it happens more often then you’d think with these athletes, so, why should he not take the extra precaution?
This is assuming we have practice today, but why does he need to be out at 5AM at the club when he has work the next day? He’s a grown man and probably gets plenty of play, but I’m assuming the free Jets no questions asked service wouldn’t asked questions if he brought two chicks home with him, so why should he not take the extra precaution?
I get where you’re coming from with he felt OK to drive, and the cops are out to get him, but it happens way too often to alot of athletes, the league emphasises this, and he’s already gotten arrest as well as seen a teammate kill someone, so I don’t know what you’re arguing for here. Should he not grow up and act like a grown mature man, or act like a kid but be mature enough to use the resources provided to keep him safe?
Alot of those were rhetorical so don't worrying about answering those.
My point is that you seem to not think he is accountable for his actions and he is, with no doubt. He needs to grow up and realize he’ll have plenty of time to act like a kid when he’s retired and out of the stoplight. Heck women will still be all over him if he has the money, and he’s a pro athlete so he still should be in shape. I just don’t get it.
Actually I heard these things happen on a Monday night
because teams don’t practice on Tuesdays. Not sure if its true, but heard it this morning.
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That would make sense. I think that is true though.
But still , I mean I was done with 5AM nights soon after I graduated and I didn’t have the need to scam for chicks either which probably helped. Then again, I wasn’t making millions of dollars that could be affected by such behavior also.
oh I am not condoning that behavior
Like they say nothing good happens at that time. Not that I don’t have my late nights but then again I also don’t have a professional contract for millions of dollars that asks me to be on my best behavior for a few months out of the year.
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Im arguing that he shouldn't be suspended,
He did something that probably most of the people feigning outrage about has done before and probably still do more than they care to share,
That he was probably ok to drive, he probably passed a field test since none was mentioned,
And that the sole reason for him being pulled over in the first place was absolutely racially motivated.
So tinting your windows is a race thing?
Apparently, you haven’t seen the country. I’ve lived in big cities and small towns and tinting your windows has nothing to do with race. It has to do with aestetic purposes and to prevent visibilty into your car. There is plenty of people of all races tweeking/modding their cars for this former reason. Their are also plenty of drug dealers of all races doing this for the latter reason.
Yes it is profiling, but not profiling for a race, it’s profiling because of that latter reason and more importantly it’s an easy ticket to pull anyone over for. Cops are assigned ticket quotas, this is were race really doesn’t match at all. To prove they are doing their jobs they need a name on a ticket a certain amount of times. If you are looking more into it then you are naive and should get with the times.
What the heck are you talking about?
Im saying that he didn’t get pulled over because of tints at all. That the tints were just an opportunistic excuse. I’m saying that he got pulled over because there was a nice car full of black guys.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and believe otherwise, then you’re just naive.
Here's what you said:
“Obviously he felt he was ok to drive. Obviously he was or he would have been pulled over for erratic driving. But he was pulled over for dark tints.”
You implied the car was pulled over because of tinted windows. Then made the connection that tinted windows = “a nice car full of black guys.”
But I must have my head in the sand…
No. I implied that he was pulled over because of race, and that tints were used as an excuse.
I guess you’ve never experienced the pleasure of being pulled over for absolutely no reason when in a nice car full of people of a minority race in NYC. And dragged out the car and forced to assume the position and questioned about your where your heading and what your intentions are.
Sometimes it because “the windows were tinted”, sometimes its because of the tail light they decide to bust for you. Sometimes they ticket you for running the stop light that you were stopped at, with them immediately behind you. Sometimes they’ll just follow you for a while for no reason at all.
Its fun. You should try it some time.
but everyone said that is not what happened here people close to the situation.
don’t blend your personal experience with this situation.
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that race didn't play an issue here
thats all over the radio TV ect.
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On ESPN radio one caller called in and asked
“did race play an issue here”
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And they said with absolute certainty it did not. according to the sources they have.
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I just don’t understand how they could talk like that unless they know this for sure??? IDK
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They do it all the time. I didn’t hear anything from anybody who was in the car. I don’t even know who else was in the car. Apparently another starter was.
yeah I agree it does happen
which sucks but my only point is I don’t think it happened here
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I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
I mean….Tinted Windows?
yeah…Pull the other finger, Cop
I can't say for sure it didn't but you can';t say for sure it did
but if the car has blacked out windows, I just don’t see how it is possible to even attempt to pull him over because he is black.
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Possible but depends on the angle, did the cop see him from the side , back , .
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But it is hard to see in the car even thru the windsheild during the day, 5 in the moring its still dark. I just don’t think it did.
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Well I quoted your whole comment,
and then connected your implication in the previous comment. And while your situation(s) are unfortunate and do happen still today more often then they should, it doesn’t prove anything about this situation. Minimizing your risk of having any reason to be pulled over and knowing he’s a target based on his fame and money alone is immature and reckless on his part, as I’ve been saying.
How often does he go out?
Maybe they had a day off the next day, a bunch people were on the West Side for J-CO’s thing, and they went out after and had a good time.
Whats stupid or immature about that? Maybe he shouldn’t drove bc he had a few drinks, but apparently he was driving just fine. Maybe they were on their way to the diner where they could eat and get some coffee before going home. I know that something a lot of people do after a late night out, including myself and friends. There’s nothing stupid or immature about it.
Maybe he was just unlucky to be rich and black at the wrong place a t the wrong time.
today was an off day
imo he could be out as late as he wants, nothing wrong with that imo.
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You're generalizing my comments
The fact he was out was not the problem, if he was off the next day, which I later found out he was. The problem is the choice to drive while having any quantity of alcohol. Also, to drive a car that has a valid (Not to say it wasn’t frivilous) reason to pull it over. That is immature and reckless to the T.
“Maybe he was just unlucky to be rich and black at the wrong place a t the wrong time.” – Maybe he was, maybe he knew he was drunk and didn’t care. The point is moot as even the best lawyers can’t prove that point.
The problem is the choice to drive while having any quantity of alcohol. Also, to drive a car that has a valid (Not to say it wasn’t frivilous) reason to pull it over. That is immature and reckless to the T.
There is nothing wrong with having a few drinks and being ok to drive. Especially for a 6-3, 215 dude. There is also nothing wrong with having your windows tinted so long as its within the legal amount.
There was nothing immature and wreckless about what happened that we know of so far. They say he was twice the legal limit, yet a bunch of people felt he was ok enough to jump in the car with him, including a teammate.
I acknowledged this below.
Since we don’t have the facts, we are filling in with assumptions. Twice the legal limit, if accurate, is not a few beers. It is 10 in 2 hours, even considering he is ripped it would only make him take more drinks to get to that limit.
Saying his teammates and people felt it was OK to drive with him could mean nothing. Maybe they weren’t together all night, maybe he doesn’t act really drunk while he drinks.
The immature and reckless thing he did was drive have drink while he was twice the legal limit. What are you not understanding? I’m using the number we have to work with .16.
The tint is totally speculative at this point as we don’t know about his car. I did look up the tint law and it can be found here.
Having a criminal justice degree myself,
I have written a thesis on racial profiling and done research on the matter as well. Listening and reading the facts that have been released to the public thus far, I would like to know what were probable cause factors which led to giving Braylon Edwards a breathalizer test when he was pulled over for tinted windows and not for erratic driving. I have also been a passenger in a car that was stopped after going over the 59th st bridge for having tinted windows, which resulted in the driver getting a ticket for not having his insurance papers in the vehicle. IMO police officers have been known for using Reason A for a stop and then reacting to an unrelated Reason B result.
as soon as edwards rolled the window down he smell liquor or beer
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how can you tell with blacked out windows?
there were black guys in the car?
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plus cops don't like tinted windows as a matter of saftey
They do not like walking up to cars when they cannot see what the passengers According to a few cops I have asked when I kept getting pulled over for tinted windows.
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Does that make any sense to you? They fear for their safety when cars have tinted windows, so they pull over cars for having tinted windows?
He seemed to mean safety of other drivers on the road
not the officers safety themselves. He I got a warning from my eye care professional about driving with progressive lenses at night.
no I def meant cops saftey in that point but its saftey in general also
At night in a dark part its very hard to see out of tinted windows especially with real dark tint
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Just because a cop is nervous and doesn’t like it, he will still pull a car over with tinted windows. He just might have backup or over the loud speaker as the driver to put all the windows down.
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not on about overall saftey in that post
but that is also a reason, you can’t see anything backing up with heavy tinted windows or out of the side windows merging.
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that does not matter
It should be your golden rule, if you have more then one beer always get a ride.
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Exactly. I can understand why you won't in most places.
I mean if you’re with friends or some ladies it would look much better to have your own ride, but in NYC it is not just normal but common to take a cab or get picked up or have a free team provided service pick you up (I’m assuming that last one is common as I am in no way employed by any team). How aren’t agents, PR personnel, and coaches enforcing this is a wonder to me with the amount of value these players have to them?
So kids will make poor choices because star athletes make poor choices? Will they also go murdering people because they’re fans of Arnold and love the Terminator?
Bingo.
So lets stop with the athletes are role models thing. They’re not. They’re famous. Thats it.
Apples to oranges.
Actors in character playing roles is much different then athletes doing things that people do on an everyday basis on a professional level that an individual could conceivable do themselves.
Braylon Edwards is still on probation in Cleveland
Now facing a probation violation for his act and probably jail time. Guess erratic driving is the least of his worrys no crackback
cmon braylon you don’t have enough money do hire a freaking driver?
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The Jets have a free/no questions asked service to pick them up.
It’s about ego and maturity really. Which Braylon obviously has too much of one and not enough of the other.
Meh
Innocent until proven guilty. Sounds like he was a victim of “driving while black.” Though if he was drunk, that’s pretty damn stupid. Even if he is guilty I really, really, really, don’t care. Athletes are athletes, not role models. If he’s guilty we’ll know after the trial. Let’s play him until he gets jail time. By then the season will prolly be over, and we can get someone from the draft to round out the Holmes/Cotchery receiving corps.
"Athletes are athletes, not role models."
Really, not role models? Which is why kids and adults alike by select players jerseys? You can get custom jerseys for the same price now and days but that option seems to be alot less popular. Granted, these players don’t volunteer to be role models, but they are without a doubt and get paid more then 99% of the world to have that label attached to them.
U serious?
People don’t buy jerseys because of who a player is off the field. They buy it because of who they are on the field. Lets not pretend we care one iota about these guys and what they do other than what happens when their cleats hit the turf.
Yes I am serious.
Players will be role models to some and not others. In your case such as mine, you like a football team so you by the jersey to support the team so you can show that support. In the other case, as is with most kids, it’s a little more deep then that, especially now and days. Kids can follow every action of their favorite player, most don’t know enough about football to follow the team they just want to play like that one player. They can follow them so much that they try to emulate that player. For them to play like = to be like. I mean it sounds obsessive, but that’s the concept of a role model, which happens and will continue to happen more as time goes by.
And when that 8 year old grows up a little more, he’ll realize that these guys are just regular people that are gifted in a particular area.
A portion will for sure, but a significant portion will look up to these individuals.
There are more then a few kids who strive to be pro athletes throughout high school and even college and even more that just love sports enough to have athletic role models. You’re going to need quite an arguement to convince anyone here otherwise.
What sane person have you ever known to pattern their behavior to that of a star athlete? How many kids ran down to AC to get their gamble on and be like Mike?
Cmon man. Thats just nonsense.
Your are taking the phrase "role model" and warping it into "obsessive stalker"
Kids look up to role models and can develop habits and trends based on them. I’m not saying they completely develop personalities from them like you are trying to imply. These trends and habits would be with risky behavior, drinking and driving, and making poor choices in general.
I think it depend sometimes they imo ask to be role models
guys like Peyton manning and Tiger Woods- you see those faces everywhere, they endorse things and ask people to buy stuff. A guy who is just good at sports and just keeps to himself should not be expected to be a role model if he does not want to imo.
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I know and it's notable that they wouldn't want to be role models.
Heck, I wouldn’t, especially in my 20s with alot of money. But being a mature adult around the same age as Braylon I realize that if in his situation fans of my work might want to be like me. He worked hard to get there too, why jeopordize it by not having a driver? Heck, that would still be awesome in itself.
Even in your example, which makes a good point, Tiger Woods knew what he was doing was inappropriate and tried to hide it, but in the spotlight you have to be so careful not to screw up because people will see that for better or for worse.
This has nothing to do with being a role model...
…and everything to do with not drinking and driving, especially when you have a free service available to pick your drunk ass up from the bar. Also, it sounds more like he’s the victim of “driving with tinted windows,” which is a stupid car accessory I’ve never understood anyway. “Oooh, look at me, my car has tinted windows, I’m such a badass.” If you’re going to draw attention to yourself, you’d better not be drunk of your ass while driving at over TWICE the legal limit.
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by kotite4ever on Sep 21, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
umm.
Right. Cuase the NYPD routinely pulls over cars with tinted windows at 5 AM when the streets are pretty calm, becuase window tint is a traffic hazard. Come on. I’m sure they heard heavy bass, and thought “Hey a brown guy driving a car with rap music playing, must be a drug dealer.” As that’s the empirically documented response most police have.
Besides, I don’t care if what he did was stupid, because we don’t even know what he did. Innocent until proven guilty. And even if he is guilty, I don’t care. He’ll be punished accordingly, and that will be that. It’s just as matter of getting as much football as possible out of him, before the cell doors come down. This is a sports league, not a finishing school. Woody Johnston’s a robber baron who never had to work a day in his life, and the rest of the NFL ownership is no different. But just because NFL owners are all pretty evil, doesn’t mean I won’t watch the team. No one in the NFL has an ethical leg to stand on. So lets just play ball and let the law do the punishment.
BS Argument
Ask Bart Scott if he buys that shit. We got off track and didn’t reach the Super Bowl because “the Man” is crampin’ Braylon’s style (and Woody is a robber baron).
How about when Braylon has a crappy practice because he’s hung over and pre-occupied by his latest brush with the law.
And Crack, you’re in a rhetorical hole with the “race card” cliche’. Stop diggin’!
by Black Dog Jet on Sep 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What sense is that?
“Range Rover w/ blacked out windows at 5:15”
translates to the cops as
“drunk idiot of any race, I don’t really care cause the city needs the cash for my under-funded pension.”
I got pulled over at 2:30am (as designated driver) in a silver 4Runner with a USAA sticker on it by two hispanic Highway Patrol officers. I never once thought it had anything to do with race, just the time of day it was.
Brock, it’s 2010, not 1960. Bottom line is, Braylon made (another) bad move. Don’t look to give him the cheap out. He blew twice the limit for Christ sakes!
by Black Dog Jet on Sep 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
To put that in perspective, twice the legal limit is 10 beers or shots in 2 hours. Granted he’s jacked and probably metabolizes that better, but considering the time that pobably passed since his last drink, that is alot if it’s accurate.
Well that's what they teach you in drivers ed and health class.
.02 per beer/shot gained, you lose .02 per hour. Results may vary due to like 100 circumstances, but that’s the average.
are you kidding??
at 5 a.m. any time you have a reason to pull a car over you do as a cop. 25% of the time you can give them a ticket and lets say 1 in 15 might have been drinking and could lead to a DWI which makes the cop a hero to some “Ah you stopped a drunk driver from killing someone”
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The rest of the time it is just people going to work and that is usually easy enough to tell.
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Yeah but....TINTED WINDOWS? TINTED WINDOWS, MAN!!
Poor excuse…just a poor excuse…
I don’t blame Crackback for playing the race card but it sounds all too familiar….
I am just speaking for personal experiences
I am white I have been pulled over for the same thing in NYC and NJ for tinted windows, usually after 12 a.m.
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*and been ticketed
not saying race is not a vaild question, just in this case it does not seem to have played a factor.
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Of course it didn’t, and usually doesn’t. I’m white but I don’t get a free-pass excuse that I was “profiled” when the swine roll up to steal my money. And I have been pulled over, or know someone who has been, for any reason you can possibly conceive in your mind. Except DUI, but still. Won’t get on a moral high horse here and pretend like I never drove drunk. Who the hell hasn’t?
by nationalist88 on Sep 21, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well
It’s Edwards’ first alcohol-related offense, so he won’t get an automatic suspension. He also has an assault charge on his record, though, which could lead to commissioner Roger Goddell taking action.
Just because the two offenses technically don’t overlap, they do because of Goodell.
Its up to him really.
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by Patssuck456 on Sep 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
HOWEVER, this falls under the Substance Abuse policy, not the Personal Conduct one.
Goodell usually brings the hammer down on the Latter than the Former.
I propose we suspend him for Weeks 9 & 10
Which happens to be games against Detroit and Cleveland.
That way, we can get Santonio back and fully into the offense, before losing Braylon.
Alternatively, we suspend him for weeks 5 and 6 – 2 games against Minnesota and Denver. But again, after Santonio is back.
Also, we could rationalize the delay....
By saying that he’s on probation prior to the suspension, and with good behavior, he could knock it down to 1 game.
Ugh.
I’ve been a big supporter of “The Beard” since game one. I still want to like him too. I hope Rex rips his ass off and it’s a real wake up call.
If not, dump his ass. I don’t mind having a motley crew for a team as long as they keep their team in mind. This kinda crap is completely selfish.
So wait....You're dissing all the students who went or are going to Michigan?
What school did you go to so I can say “What can we expect from a ___________” right back at you?
That is very rude and ignorant of you to say that, man.
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