Should Joe McKnight Make Jets' 53-Man Roster?
by Matt Birch on Sep 2, 2010 11:05 PM EDT
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PrintRB Joe McKnight, Jets' fourth-round draft pick, started his tenure as a Jet by throwing up in rookies' minicamp.
Since then, he has had one electrifying punt return, but also coughed up the football three times during preseason.
Manish shared some of Rex's comments on Twitter, touching on what the RBs' status with the team is right now:
Rex on mcknight: "I don't see how he can make the active roster. Disappointed in him" #nfl #nyj
Rex says mcknight "is going to make this team. I'm just not going to play him." #nfl #Jets
So, according to this, McKnight WILL make the 53-man roster, but Rex will deactivate him every week until he proves his worth.
Before this evening's game, during it, and after I felt as if McKnight should be demoted to practice squad. He is still young and has a lot of upside, and we have to keep him in our system, but we need consistency this year if we want to make a Super Bowl run, and cannot afford mistakes such as the ones he is making.
How do you feel, GGN?
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He would never be demoted to prax squad; he would be exposed to waivers and would have been picked up.
He had a lock on a spot from the begenning.
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Right, as raw as he has looked, somebody would snatch him based on potential
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Right, but he shouldn't be on the field right now
He’s probably got it eventually, just not right now. That fumble tonight was really bad, can’t even give it to the D it was mostly his drop
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 2, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s kinda where I’m coming from.
Cannot afford those mistakes this year.
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He won’t play anyway. Greene never saw the field until leon went down, and Greene looked a hell of a lot better than McKnight did.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 2, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We let Leon go because A. Injury concers and B. We couldn’t afford to pay him after this season.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We could be dealing with two holdouts right now.
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Jets wouldnt have caved in for Leon though. Revis maybe (we’ll see), but prolly would have told Keels/Leon to f—- themself. Paying Mangold and Brick was much more important.
Chauncey Washington is at least a capable RB3, could have taken that spot.
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Well ok, no do-over on Leon
Can we at least have a do-over on our 4th rounder?!
Haha, that makes more sense.
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Please he's 28 years old, and never proved he could be a full time starter
with the injury he would never be the same and would cost to much, I’d prefer the Leon Washington from 2 years ago, but not the one we could have kept this year.
No, I don't think so
The Jets will give him some time to develop. Let’s just try to find the right role for him for now. We didn’t draft him to be the next Leon Washington…oh wait a minute…yes we did. But at any rate, he can find a way to contribute, just give him a little bit of time to come out of his shell – he IS under a lot of pressure to perform at a high level for someone who was only drafted in the fourth round. Let’s try to keep expectations low and just let him go to work.
He's been really awful
If he has genuine potential I don’t mind him taking up a roster spot but it would be downright irresponsible of Rex to play him and I’m glad he’s not going to.
Leon Washington, in his rookie preseason
rushed for 59 yards on 20 carries, with a long of 18 yards. Meaning in the other 19 carries, he rushed for 41 yards on 19 attempts, 2 yards a carry basically. What I’m getting at is who gives a shit? It’s the preseason, and the kid is a rookie. Maybe he was nervous and tentative, maybe he just hasn’t adjusted to the NFL speed yet after a whopping 29 carries. You guys are a tough crowd. This guy is a 4th round pick who was never going to contribute a ton this year anyway, and we are expecting him to replace Leon right now? Leon wasn’t even Leon in his rookie year. This is the same group of people who poopoo’d Chauncey Washington when a couple people mentioned him last year, and now want him on the roster based on a series of like 20 plays in games that don’t count (not knocking Washington, just making an example). At the end of the day, just remember, it’s only the preseason it doesn’t matter. I’m surprised people aren’t questioning the Santonio trade after his couple fumbles.
by dookiehead on Sep 3, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 3, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Said the same thing last week about the Leon comparisons.
This post deserves a good rec count.
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Exactly, my only point was that he shouldn't be seeing the field much now
Not ready to call him a bust at all
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 3, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh no doubt, he needs to prove his reliability in practise first, but keep him with the 53, let him learn day in and day out in practise.
I’m hoping that when he’s confirmed on the 53, he can then move on and try and improve. There has been far too much premature negativity around him.
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The Similarities between Wash and McKnight end with their draft selection and position
I’ve said since the Jets picked McKnight he was a bum, and that’s all he’s shown. The guy has terrible conditioning and can’t hold onto the football. He also doesnt seem to have too much upstairs. The facts are that he’s been outplayed by every back on the Jets roster and doesnt deserve a spot on it. A coach like Bill Parcells would send him packing. It doesnt matter where you’re selected in the draft, and having that be your saving grace to make the squad is straight bs. As far as his pr duties, he has shown very little there as well. The one return he did have that went for a big yardage was very well blocked and he should have finished it by taking it for 6, not gassing out at the end of it. The Jets need to find a pr because if you don’t think this guy will fumble away a win or two for the team this year with those duties (or as a 3rd down back) you’re out of your mind. As for “waiting for him to develop” , go ask the usc trojans who I believe are also still waiting for the same thing. Stop drinking the frickin kool aid and open your eyes.
How much does being outplayed matter
when nobody is playing for real anyway, because the games don’t matter?
Now his punt return doesn’t count because the blocking was good? Oh, okay. I mean, i know when Leon returned kicks he went one on eleven without any blockers on his side, so you are right, McKnight shouldn’t need stupid blockers to return a kick.
4 years ago, were you sitting on your computer talking about Leon Washington sucks with his 3 ypc in the preseason and what a waste of a draft pick?
You actually don’t have to answer this, because based on the above post, your opinion won’t carry a ton of value with me.
I agree with you
but it does matter a little if you know cuts are coming, your job is on the line and a player still goes out there and throws up a dud. Not speaking McKnight specifically, just in general
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by Lord Smackington on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Players should be playing their hardest every play they are on the field regardless of anything else. A person’s true character is often revealed by how they act in circumstances where they face little or no reprocussions. If McKnight, isnt “playing for real” because he feels his draft status assures him a roster spot, that’s even more of a reason to send him packing. Furthermore, the games matter for about half the team who are trying to make a nfl roster, this is essentially their super bowl.
Also, my gripe about McKnight’s long return was his lack of conditioning which didnt allow him to finish in the end zone. I never saw this from Washington at all, in fact, from his rookie year what probably impressed coaches the most was his work ethic and desire to improve. Thats like McKnight and day when it comes to Joe.
Lastly, your last statement just makes me chuckle since based on your statements its obvious you know very little about the sport of american football or the history of the New York Jets. I believe your name says it all.
Getting rid of Leon Washignton was a huge mistake. Exspecially to sign some one whowsn’t that great of a running back in college. Joe McNight was a joke then and is still one now!
Yeah,
we should have just paid more than we would have been willing to pay a healthy Leon, coming off a broken leg. Good call. Leons a moron, he turned down more money than we ever should have offered him and than he broke his leg. I have no sympathy for him. He got greedy and he got bit.
he better make the roster
with such a deep draft this year it would be such a freaking wasted if he gets cut. I think (or maybe just hope really bad) he will get better as the season goes on.
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I honestly do know what to do.
McKnight has proven that he could be valuable in the passing game and in punt returns. But we already have plently of options in both respects.
Chauncey has put together a decent preseason with the back-ups but with a few trip-ups along the way. Theres no doubt that he runs with power and could be a nice backup for Greene.
I guess the answer to the question is another question. What player would you rather have a mediocre back-up for so you can try to keep the game plan that the starter gave you in the first place? Especially after an injury. This team must understand the value of dumpoff passing and the big play “possibility” that LT gives this team. And I guess thats why Joe is still here. For the possibility that he could come around and be that guy. Im not sure I see that happening tho.
by colinyoung on Sep 3, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions
Practice Squad it is..........
He needs to be on the practice squad this year to learn and develop some confidence. He doesn’t seem mentally tough enough to make a mistake and recover quickly. Chauncey Washington seems to be a better fit for the ground & pound offense.
That’s not happening. He’d have to clear waivers.
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You think Chauncey Washington will clear waivers?
I am sure Rex and Westoff might be asking the same question. That would be a win-win situation.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Sep 3, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
He should definitely make the roster.
I find it odd that the patience for Sanchez is endless “Eh, its just the pre-season,” yet so many people are so quick to give McKnight the ax.
Woody and Chauncey have been in NY, in the system, and have been around the block, and have proven that they don’t have enough talent to be any more than special teams contributors.
McKnight has to adjust to living in NY, adjust to being on a new team, learn a new system, learn how to read zone-blocking, adjust to NFL speed, and learn how to run inside.
Right now theyre giving him a crash course on interior running. He has to not only adjust his style from a more horizontal (bounce everything outside) approach to a more vertical approach (see the hole and get up field). Not only is he changing his style, he has to learn how to read zone-blocking (which doesn’t necessarily have a designated hole to hit). Of course he’s not as productive as he can be, he’s not being used in a way that will accentuate his strengths.
He will be much better in the regular season when most of his touches are likely to be on screens and swing passes, and maybe some draws. They’ll get him in space and let him do his thing.
I’m reserving my judgment on him until I see him fail to perform in doing the things he should be good at. And if he’s still making the same mistakes next year and is showing no improvement, then yeah, cut him.
by Crackback on Sep 3, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Never have I agreed with a comment on this site as much as this one right here.
Well said CB.
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Well said, rec'd
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
fyi
the jets can’t execute a screen pass to their rbs. Their wr screens are often painfully predictable. McKnight is definitely “best” in space but when you can’t hold onto the football it doesnt matter how talented you are otherwise (and he’s not very talented otherwise)
Maybe they didn't run any screens last year
because they had no receiving running backs. Huh!!! What a concept right? Jones is a horrible receiver, so is Greene, Leon was out for the year. Why didn’t we have a screen game? Apart from the obvious reasons of having no backs who can catch???
The Jets attempted to run screens to their rbs last year and the receiving ability of their backs was last in reasons they were not effective. A screen is primarily a rhythm play like a draw, it requires the entire team to sell it well to be effective, the easiest part is the back catching the ball (which is frequently tossed like a fragile egg and is a reception I’m sure even you could secure. The screen game was bad last year primarily because of Sanchez and the oline. The team hasnt had a olineman that worked well on a screen since Kevin Mawae, who is an absolute master at the intrecasies, of the play. (Dave Szott was very good too but had a shorter Jets career). So as bad as Joe is when the screen game fails again this year, he’ll be the last one I blame for it.
Why are we condemning McKnight’s overall talent and future because he can’t hold onto the football now? people are acting like he is the first RB to put some footballs on the ground. Didn’t LT have 8 fumbles his rookie year, Greene was hardly Mr Reliable at the start. Fumbles can be corrected, and what people conveniently exclude, he was getting a couple runs of 7-8 yards last night. Hell that’s not bad for a guy that’s not very talented.
Give him a chance, and that doesn’t mean 4 pre-season games.
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Ball Security issues are the #1 red flag for a RB regardless everything else
If you recall Tiki Barber’s same issues almost cost him his job despite a pro bowl player in almost every other facet of his game. Its like a wr who can’t catch the ball, (glares at B.Edwards) it really doesnt matter how good you are at other things if you can’t be consistent in that area. The problems with McKnight are: 1) He’s not that tremendously gifted of an athlete as aforementioned players and 2) and most importantly, he hasnt shown the degree of desire needed to improve his own shortcomings. I would say that’s the primary reason I don’t want him on the squad. Lastly, his fumblitis will be magnified while returning punts, and most likely cost the team a game or be a huge momentum shift which leads to a loss.
Its a little different...
because for whatever reason (I’m not at the practices) the Jets believe in Sanchez, he has the mind, the work ethic, the coach ability and the coaches do trust him. With McKnight the coaches seem to have a total distain for his character, question his motivation and his work ethic, the only thing he has is great athletic ability.
Not saying we cut him, as I think we should keep him at least another year, but its not just his performance on the field this kids a question mark everywhere.
chauncey
CW can also catch out of the backfield, I’m glad he might be getting a chance. Very steady guy and I was one of the guys being laugh at for promoting him way before preseason. He was not a flashy guy in college and might not pan out but he is strong and steady. Yea if Green goes down god forbid, CW is the guy to get the poundage. He’s also strong enough and not afraid to pick up blitzes. I say give him a good look and a chance.
I agree with Ryan
keep him on the team but don’t make him active. For all his flaws he did show some good things and he is just a rookie. By no means would I put him in the field but he has potential. With his size, skill and speed once he does put things together he could be very dangerous.
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by Lord Smackington on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
He makes the team because he's the starting punt returner, and indirectly because of Revis
I think if Revis was with the team Wilson would have been the PR, but they haven’t used him there all preseason, so I’m thinking with his success there he is our PR.
Truth is I think if Revis was there and Wilson was returning punts...
they would probably be considering cutting McKnight with his miserable pre-season(still wouldn’t think it likely though)
McKnight would never reach the practise squad, he would need to clear waivers and there is 0% chance of that happening, wait I’ll give it 1%.
He’ll stay on the inactive game status until he proves his worth in training.
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Not a good receiver, still no love for Chuancey I see. In college CW caught some passes out of the backfield in 2006 and 2007 had 2 receiving TD’s in 2007. The other nite had 1 reception for 11 yds and woodhead had 1 reception for 10 yds. Not a ton of receptions in college but they still kept throwing to him once in awhile. Coaches must have been stupid to throw to a guy who can’t catch.
We threw it to Jones and Greene a few times last year too, doesn’t mean they have good hands or that they’re good receivers in general (running routes, yards after catch, etc).
Lol. Thats funny because i was thinking the same about you. ; )
I just wish they would trade him already. Cut our losses. No way he’s playing unless they meet his demands. And I honestly don’t think they have it. I don’t think they even have the $12M per they’re “offering”, because they refuse to talk guaranteed money.
Yeah
I’m ready to cut ties. We won’t have him anyway, might as well get some nice compensation.
You have to wonder who would trade for a guy that wants a contract that high though.
No you have to play it out...
first game is key, if we win, Revis caves, if we lose, he has the leverage, I don’t see it going past then.
good sense
So now judge you say crack makes good sense when he agrees with you. Even though the facts say otherwise some people are blinded by their comments as the only ones right and try so hard to convince others. That’s why they say opinions are like assholes everybody has one.
crack
I guess I am wearing the cranky pants today. lol
Judge and I have a history with CW. I did some posts awhile back thinking highly of CW and hoped that he would make the team and got some crap from the judge about CW even when some agreed with me.
I’ll calm down and just worry about the season ahead. I’ll also watch my words and spelling as some like to worry about people’s wording instead of talking football. Unless you totally cant understand I usually know what people are trying to say and don’t have to comment on wording or spelling but on football.
lol
Wording refers not to your lack of English comprehension but rather how you represent yourself as an angry child.
You’re not exactly talking football. You’re just talking about yourself and your stupid grudges.
As often and deeply as I disagree with CB
I fail to see the point of that post beyond a poorly worded and thought out resentful petit insult.
whatever
There always some on forums that have to make a comment on people’s spelling or wording and not one word on football. I responded to comments to my my post and not just came in out of no where to bud in on something. My opinion, my asshole response. This is a forum where we agree and disagree and many times we talk trash but keep going.
Look at crack all the flack he takes and we disagree on many things but he give it and takes it well and it all should be in fun. I respect that, there are some who you can feel they make it more that that, they act like they are smarter and let you know. It’s just different personalities, no worries. Sorry you had to read it and felt compelled to respond about my attitude and wording. I took off my cranky pants today. Is my wording correct? lol
Facts say otherwise, wtf?
You point to CW being able to catch out of the backfield as a positive (over Woodhead, or Mcknight). CW has had a total of 15 receptions in college, thats almost absolutely nothing for a RB. On the other hand McKnight had 66 receptions in college and Woodhead had 119, and can play WR. Listen CW is a good between the tackle runner, I agree, but up until now has show nothing in the passing game.
Cant catch
So not much receptions so that means he can’t catch. Yeah was just a small positive besides his hard nose running. But of course your hate for CW so now he cant catch and because you said he’ll never make it.
We’ll he had a chance the last game and 1 catch 11 yds and woodhead 1 catch 10 yds, the same. Why even throw to a guy if he cant catch. So yea wtf!
I don’t hate CW, I honestly think he should make the team now, if its between him and Woodhead, I would say Woodhead, but at this point I think they both make it. But don’t be mistaken, CW is not making it because of his RB skills (and certainly not his receiving skills), he’s making it cause he contributes on ST. As for his receiving skills they are not anything to write about, in fact as a RB I would grade them poor (as i would Greene), that is just not one of his strength. On the other hand you have LT, McKnight, and Woodhead who are all great receivers out of the backfield.
judge
Just like on the other post on a reply to your comment, I said he’s possibly getting on the team because of ST. That we agree on and I said having a extra RB who can go hard was an extra bonus. I did add that he can catch which started things. lol
But he can catch, I saw some of their practices and CW is not known to catch the ball but he can catch. A friend of mine is a crazy USC fan and he goes to all the games and some practices.
Every RB, hell every player with two functioning hands can catch, but I would certainly not list it as one of CWash strengths.
strength
Who said that was a strength. I said he can catch out of the backfield and that’s a plus. He can catch if called upon, he doesn’t have hands of stone.
Can let it go and have to add things to get your point across. btw judge, not to be an a$$ but follow what you say in other posts, in another post you stated why are they carrying 4 TE’s and 7 RB’s and I said because of special teams and if they play that position well it’s a bonus. Now you say the only reason CW will make the team is because of special teams. Oh thanks for letting me know, I forgot what I told you.
over 200 votes?
I would love to know what over 200 people are thinking. How can you possibly think McKnight should make this team. He deserves to be on the practice squad, thats about it
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