Albert Haynesworth: Pursue or No?
by John B on Sep 14, 2010 8:17 PM EDT
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PrintWe might as well discuss this. With Kris Jenkins out for the year, I am sure we will hear suggestions from the media that the Jets might be interested in disgruntled Redskins lineman Albert Haynesworth. The 6'6" 350 pounder is in the second year of a seven year, $100 million contract. He made the Pro Bowl and All Pro teams in 2007 and 2008. Like Jenkins, he has a rare blend of strength, size, and athleticism.
Why is he available? Despite taking Washington's big money offer less than a year ago, he wants out instead of playing in a 3-4 scheme. The team offered to try and accomodate him by offering to move him if he would not take a $21 million bonus. He took the money and skipped offseason drills in protest. It's one thing for Darrelle Revis to hold out for a new deal after outperforming his old contract. It's another to take a monster deal and then throw a temper tantrum because you don't like the scheme a year later. In case you were wondering, Haynesworth also complained about the defensive scheme last year. He also came into camp out of shape and failed multiple conditioning drills.
The guy's physical skills are enticing. There's a reason he is available, though. I'm usually for rolling the dice on big talent when all it would cost is a mid to late round Draft pick. This is a definite exception, though. Perhaps he would embrace playing for Rex Ryan like so many do. Perhaps he would be fine playing in a 3-4 here. The problem is the Jets would depend on this guy if they got him. This is very tempermental guy who has frankly acted like a selfish baby the past few months. What would happen if he decided he didn't like the system or wasn't getting enough playing time or thought it was too cloudy overhead for him to play hard? It's worth nothing that those two All Pro seasons happened to come when he was without a contract for the next year. He may have Jenkins' ability but none of his commitment to team or work ethic.
I vote do not pursue.
How do you vote?
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NO!!!!!
If I Could vote 1000 times, I would.
We have enough problems in our locker room!!! We cut all of our veterans on offense, and we saw the result last night.
We don’t need cancers on the defensive end as well. He is one.
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Apparently his old team the Titans are in the lead to trade for this "cancer:"
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a stupid, ignorant post
You must not watch too much football if you want Haynesworth to be brought in.
Especially after we saw last night, we have enough distractions.
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Ah. I tell you that the Titans (Haynesworth’s old team that knows how he is in the locker room) is interested in him, and you tell me that this is an “ignorant” post, and that I don’t watch too much football.
I guess you mean that the Titans are ignorant and don’t watch too much football, because it is the Titans who are interested in him.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wish there was a hell no vote....
Because that’s where I’d have voted. I can’t say what the interest is in from the Titans, unless they have selective amnesia. Albert’s antics were well documented there, from his lack of team play to his temper tandrums on and off the field.
Obviously I have no insider info, but I live just outside DC and can tell you that his antics here have pretty much necessitated a trade. The Skins have paid the lions share of guaranteed money to him already, and John mentioned the $21M dollars. He took that money with no hesitation and never mentioned the word trade knowing that Shanahan was going to a 3-4. Come April he was ready to sit out training camp and pretty much did.
Mike Golek on ESPN ran the same distance at speed as a retired player, but first Albert failed the runs then gave up altogether.
The Titans may want him, but at what price? The Skins were offering a fire sale (highly unusual for Dan Snyder) but there were no takers. That includes the Titans.
At a time when the Jets need team players, this dude is a train wreck waiting to happen. Some players go through there entire careers like this, and it would seem Albert is one of them. And financially, what’s his motivation? Pride does not seem to be a catalyst to him.
I am not here to call anyone out, but I have to ask that he keep his distance from the Green, because he’s already received the only green he’s interested in. And has offered no value in return.
And for the record, I only voted once but would vote 1000 times if I could also.
I can’t say what the interest is in from the Titans, unless they have selective amnesia. Albert’s antics were well documented there, from his lack of team play to his temper tandrums on and off the field.
Apparently the early signs are that the Titans are front runners in the AH sweepstakes. What am I going to say? You don’t like him. Everything is “well-documented”, but the Titans who know him well want him. Maybe they see Superbowl twinkling.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher admitted Tuesday that the team would entertain a potential trade to bring DT Albert Haynesworth back from the Washington Redskins.
“If they’re willing to look into the possibility of dealing him, of course we’ll listen to them,” Fisher said, via the Nashville City Paper. “We listen to those types of things almost every day.” here
The Titans and Redskins initially discussed a Haynesworth trade in April during the NFL draft, with the Titans offering a fourth-round pick, the paper reports. This next round of conversations started last weekend, according to the paper. However, now the Redskins want at least a second-round pick, and the Titans aren’t willing to go that high, the Tennessean reports.here
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that I don't like him....
I respect your opinion and I’m not questioning his playing ability. And liking or disliking him have no relevance here. My opinion (just that) is that he’s excess emotional baggage based upon his playing career. And I’d like to see Green avoid that, same as any other player who might not fit into the team chemistry. I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t have value at some point to the Titans (apparently a 4th round draft choice).
Probably the “old school” in oldskooljet.
yo..
be easy. What did he say that was stupid and ignorant? It’s the truth, they are trying to trade for him. Get a grip
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You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
We cut all of our veterans on offense, and we saw the result last night.
I don’t agree. Tomlinson was one of the few bright spots, and he wouldn’t have been here had we kept Jones.
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maybe 11 rushes for 39 yards and a 3.5, long of 10. Just what he ran for KC last night.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Give Jones LT’s carries last night and you would have had ) yards, LT actually made people miss, and did not simply go down when touched.
Can't consider LT a 'veteran' here yet
He’s still new to the system, and is new to our zone-blocking scheme.
I’m talking about Jets’ veterans, guys that can tell other guys where to be on the field.
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Thats the coach and the QB’s job. Besides, there’s plenty of Jets “veterans” on O. They don’t lack for leadership. They lack for QB competence.
Do you ever get tired of taking shots at Sanchez? Don’t bother answering because I know what you’ll say. GET OVER IT. Let the season develop. If it’s November and they’re 2-4 then get as pissed as you want. But when he plays against the second best defense in the league in week one, you need to lower your expectations and accept what happens. It can only get better, and it WILL get better. Take a breather Crackback, I think you need it.
by revis_island on Sep 15, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the defense was the bigger problem last night.
the D was a problem but the offense really did stink it up too.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
huh
The defense gave up 10 points, despite the myriad penalties thrown their way and despite being out there nearly 40 minutes. How were they the problem again?
Yeah, especially considering the matchups they had.
We are greatly underrating their upgrades on offense. They’re bread and butter was their run game, we stopped that cold. They are loaded at receiver now and we were starting a rookie on a one of three receivers that could start on a number of teams. This explains the penalties and third down letdowns.
Our D was also out there for 70 or so plays. How can you blame them for tiring down the stretch in the first game. Give it a few games before you let everyone know you’re jumping off the bandwagon, us perminant fans will let you know when the season’s over.
Matt seriously how can you blame that loss on the cuts...
Slauson was fine, LT was far better than TJ, Folk didn’t miss a FG (almost, but didn’t). That game was lost because the Ravens have a good defense, Shotty call a bad game, and the defense had too many penalties, and gave up to many 3rd downs.
The Jets lost because Sanchez take any passing chances that QB's need to take to win games.
Our running game was good, our defense was good, our passing/QB lost the game for us. That’s how it worked out.
Go isles or Go home.
u know
I agree but while I was watching I saw the insane number of check down passes and recall hearing and reading interviews where Rex & Co lauded Sanchez’s (is “Sanchez’s” right? looks funny) new found ability to read his check down and get the ball out and how now with LT here it’d be a strength.
I thought to myself then that the staff probably drove home ball control and protecting the football and so he was playing it safe trying to please the coaches and taking the game plan a little to literally.
Then Rex went to the presser and basically said as much
Even with that though alot of people forget while we had the number one defense last year, the Raven’s had the number three defense…they’re pretty good.
While it’s true I didn’t expect the offense to look that bad, the game pretty much went the way I thought it would…except for the whole us losing part.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone said because of that one play Slaus was bad
IDK I thought he played well for his first game.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Slauson did look like he held his own
he didn’t have a perfect game but he did very well against a very good Raven’s D
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Fat Albert can't play in a 3-4 anyway
Not mobile enough and cant wrap up tackles well himself, needs another guy upfront. He takes up blockers and gets off them well but system is predicated on him having another guy next to him.
We do run a hybrid with 4-3 mixed in also, but that’s a waste of $$$ to bring him in for htat.
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For lack of better terms....
He’s a big B!tch (yes with a capital B). He doesn’t want to play in a 3-4 (I know ours is modified). Watching how he acted during the offseason and now seeing what he was doing on the sidelines during the Redskins game keep him far away from our Jets!
I have to say that given that the Titans want him back his attitude
and cancer in the locker room might be overblown. The big thing is: Can Ryan scheme something that would take advantage of his skills. If Ryan things YES! (with caps), then I say Yes. If not YES, then no.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
You keep saying that, but Tennessee plays a 4-3
Have you not realized he can’t play in a 3-4?
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I am responding to (aside from your nasty tone) the claim that he is a "cancer" in the lockeroom.
Not whether he can play a 3-4.
Now if Ryan cannot accommodate his skills (and if you watch any Jet football you know that they are not in a 3-4 all game), I say yes. If not, no.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
For the nasty tone, see above:
That’s a stupid, ignorant post
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree with you kv
I am shocked an editor/writer for GGN would write something like that. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions whether they are right or wrong. To call another person’s opinion stupid and/or ignorant because it is not your own is uncalled for. I know at PSA the editors would never do such a thing. I think Matt owes you an apology for the wording he used. I want no part of Haynesworth btw.
The Jets should be concentrating on their top need. A pro QB
Sanchez sucks so hard it’s getting funny.
its an uncapped year
lets go give kurt warner an offer he cant refuse
good thought, but the answer
could be B Smith, sitting right there with four full years of starting QB experience.
Its not entirely true that he doesn't want to play in the 3-4.
First, he was more opposed to playing the nose. Which, like Jenkins, he wouldn’t have to do here.
Second, he has embraced the system and has realized the benfits of playing in a pressure system.
All the “he doesn’t want to play in the 3-4” is flatly untrue.
Agree.
First, he was more opposed to playing the nose.
He wants to be a pass rusher and not just eat up blocks. The end in the 3-4 still isn’t the pass rusher he wants to be, but it is a nose. maybe there is a meeting ground between the two.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if he could be had for a late round pick he would be a titian right now imo
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Trade the Kraken.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you can always use a good kid with 0 career sacks. maybe we can sign him to a long term deal.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as i’m hopeful that the Kraken will turn it around this year, you can’t count on it. Even if you only get Albert to play sometimes, you can bank that. And if he wants to prove to the world that he can play, Rex will put him in a position that he will succeed in, especially on passing downs. The guy can still beast.
You can’t bank on anything from Gholston.
You can’t bank on anything from Gholston.
Agreed.
It is all about Woody’s pockets.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no of coures trade him for hanes but I don't think he would do good here
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
But everyone will hate us....
if we get another guy with “issues”…uh, nevermind…everyone hates us already. As a matter of fact everyone hates New York teams unless they suck – then they just have fun kicking them while they are down.
If Rex says go for it – go for it. He has put it all on his own back anyway.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER TALENTED BIG BODIES OUT THERE, OR CAN BE GOTTEN FOR CHEAP?
I challenge you to put together a list of other, more realistic guys for us to bring in.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
What list?
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 14, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Richard Seymour?
If I have my facts right he was franchised by the Raiders and refused to take a long term deal. He instead took the one year tender. He pulled a hamstring on Sunday but isn’t expected to be out long. It may be clear that he doesn’t really want to stay with Oakland, I know he was having fits when first traded.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that a problem?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess its not , i thought u may be looking 4 a replacment in the mold of KJ.
none the less RS claims to be happy now.
Doesn't exist.
These KJ types are premium players of the first order.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
but Oak gave up a top 10 pick for him (unless Oak gets good this year)
no way they let him go without serious compensation.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
If they are likely to lose him after this year, that could be a different story.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
NYJ is a black sheep team
We haven’t had issues bringing in people of controversial character before, why start?
I just wonder if he’s worth what they’d ask/his salary.
I’m certain it won’t happen so I’m not going to think on it too much.
I hope we get one of the top big guys in the draft. I was sort of hoping we did that in the last draft so Jenkins can teach him
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
Maybe we should pay him to become our D-Line coach.
Heh. Worth a try I suppose.
NO!
Only if he’ll take a pay cut and get paid his worth—about $2m for this year.
Pursue:
We have a big hole in our D, he fills a big hole in our D. If ever there was a year that would be our best chance of winning the super bowl it’s now, not next year or the year after. Trade a 2nd rounder for him, bring him in and he will be his effective self. Reports say he is always annoying, out of shape, and outspoken every training camp. And after all those training camps, he throws up solid years. Not to mention, in our defensive scheme I could see him being effective and getting 6+ sacks easy with our system.
Go isles or Go home.
I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell Tanny gives up a 2nd for him
I voted no for a lot of reasons but if it was for Vernon then fine I guess, but I just don’t see giving up big value for this guy.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
* only because look this year what a 3rd and 4th round fetched
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
As a Ravens fan living in Skins country
Here’s what you need to know:
1) He’s not a team guy, when he’s in the game, he consistently ignores gap assignments and goes for it. Because of that the Redskins mostly use him in passing situations.
2) He can’t play more than 2-3 plays in a row because he gets tired and will fall to the group as if injured to give himself a breather. In late game situations, that burns time outs
3) I love Rex Ryan, when he went to New York, I sort of adopted the Jets as my second team (a distant second, but second), everything I hear about Haynesworth, he’s not a Rex Ryan guy.
4) Thanks to Jim Zorn, he’s used to not practicing and showing up on game day…think that’ll go over well with Rex?
5) Good game Monday Night, I know the NFL doesn’t like knock em down defensive slugfests, but I do, I hope for your sake, Rex backs off the zero blitz packages.
For those of you concerned about the contract, about 41 million dollars has all ready been paid, the rest of the contract isn’t going to count as much against a teams salary as one might think.
Local radio says the skins want AT LEAST a 3rd rounder probably 2nd round pick for him.
No
I’d be open to it if we could both keep the salary obligation minimal AND only lose a late round pick for him.
If these things were possible, which more than likely it’s not I’d THINK about it. So long as can cut him without repercussion should his silly ass start to act up.
I wouldn’t give up Gholston…not because he’s great or I see potential but because he knows the system, wants to be here, and with Jenks down we need the depth.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
Yes....but
wait until his value decreases some…every week this guy becomes more the poster boy on why NOT sign players for these enormous, long term contracts. By the end of the season someone will pick this guy up as a reclamation case. He’ll show up in DC again and register 4 sacks AGAINST the Redskins.
Meh, I voted yes on impulse
Thinking about it, I really don’t care much either way. I don’t think he’s a gamer, and I definitely can see Rex getting fed up with his ass very quickly. I have confidence in Devito to do a great job as a run stopper, and he showed he can create pressure as well last year in the playoffs.
Still, if it’s true that he can be acquired for a late-round draft pick, then I guess there’s not really anything to lose, right? Except yet another draft pick. e_e
Last Year
Last Year without Jenkins we obviously did just fine on defense. And against what is a good Ravens team who are supposed to have a good offense, we looked just fine Sunday without him.
I say stick with what we have that has seemed to work quite well when needed…
why not
Albert was a a problem for a team that total suck with the Jets and with Rex Ryan he will respect the team and Defensive of schemes we will run. And if he dont it won’t hurt up it will only help up and Im totally tired of Jenkins cut his ass he is soft with his cheeseburger eating ass on the field.
by motivation1006 on Sep 16, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
Albert was a a problem for a team that totally sucks. With the Jets and with Rex Ryan he will respect the team and Defensive of schemes we will run. And if he dont it won’t hurt us it will only help us and I’m totally tired of Jenkins cut his ass he is soft with his cheeseburger eating ass on the field.
by motivation1006 on Sep 16, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
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