A Day Removed
by John B on Sep 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT
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That was a rough loss. The Jets kept shooting themselves in the foot. There were untimely turnovers and costly penalties. Kris Jenkins was lost for the year with a torn ACL. Mark Sanchez played an abysmal football game and did not look like an NFL caliber quarterback.
More after the jump.
You probably thought I am talking about last night's game. I was actually talking about last year's Week 6 loss to Buffalo. It should provide a little perspective. The season was not lost at that point. The Jets recovered.
I'm not happy with what happened. I'm upset about losing Jenkins. I think serious concern about the play of Mark Sanchez is justified.
With that said, do not lose perspective. It was one game out of a sixteen game season. The Jets lost by one to a really good team.
Will things turn around? I cannot say, but please don't be that guy who talked nothing but smack during the offseason and then quits on this team at the very first sign of choppy waters.
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Agree
But that was before Hard Knocks, a huge contract given to Revis, a tougher schedule, and don’t you think Sanchez should look better in game 1 of season 2 than he did in game 6 of season 1?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Exactly.
10-21 for 74 yards. I mean, really. 10-21 for 74 yards. AND we held them to 10 freakin points!!! But no, we can’t win the game. Why? Because 10-21 for 74 yards.
‘10-21 for 74’ should be written on Sanchez’s forehead with a Sharpie.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not making excuses
but I can name at least half a dozen QB’s in the league right now that the Ravens could probably do that to. QB’s with more experience mind you.
In fact the Ravens D on several occasions last season held opposing QB’s to one or fewer TD’s. There are least 4 games where not one was scored thru the air and at least another two in which the QB’s threw for less than a hundred yards.
I’m not a damned statistician so check it out for yourselves
QB’s in general don’t have a fun time around the Ravens D.
Having said that, is Sanchez sucking ass? Yeah but there is a difference between him doing that against a hard nosed Ravens D in week one and having the same type of performance week 9 against the Rams defense.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, Everyone is so down because it was the first game of the season.
Realistically, we were facing the best Defense in the NFL not named the Jets. Sure, we looked like this in the preseason, and week one was really terrible looking. But, we were gameplanning for the Ravens. That’s what the staff felt like we needed to do again this great D. Did it look like crap? Sure it did but as The Smack said, how many other teams will do better this year? Not many. Hopefully, we’ll do better when we face them in the playoffs.
Good point if that was the Ravens defense from last year. But it wasn't.
Even healthy, their weakness is at corner. This game they played with back-ups out there and had Ed Reed on the sideine and we didn’t attack their secondary at all.
We should be very excited for the Defense. Seriously how long were they on the field?
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Sep 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
Ah, well. They were on the field so much because the Ravens were something like 11 for 19 on 3rd down, plus penalties. There is a lot to be excited about, but as big play as the D was, they were on the field because they could not get off the field.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. D did their job. Can’t ask for better than 10 pts. But if the O can convert a 3rd down or 2, they would also be on the field a lot less. Hey, if the O can score a TD against a second team secondary we win. How bout that?
Equal responsibility...
Offense was abysmal, but its partly the defenses fault, how many third downs are you going to give up, how many stupid penalties, how many 3rd and longs. Yea it sucks they were out there so long, but you know what that was mostly their fault.
I disagree. Those officials have a reputation for calling it tight.
All you can do is play football. Half of those calls were BS. Ultimately the D was outstanding. They only gave up 10.
The O only score 9 and were gifted field position inside the 35 three times. They gotta do SOMETHING during the course of a game. A ten-spot by the D against that O is more than sufficient.
No way...
Crack the only call that was BS was the Edwards call, you can maybe argue that the Wilson call was boarderline, but the rest were dead on (on defense). I admit the refs were being overly sensitive, and one sided, but none of the other calls weren’t penalties. The defense just did a horrible job on third and long, and third down in general, and its the biggest reason they were out there so long.
The Wilson PI was an absolute phantom call. The 3rd & 28 call on wilson was BS too. So was the declined call on Revis. A couple were legit, but plenty weren’t.
Still the O has to make a contribution to winning the game. Settling for a FG when already in FG range is not a contribution.
You let a team go 58% on third down, you did not play great
the offense played like crap I agree, but its also because the defense couldn’t get them on the field. There was a moment towards the end of the second quarter I forgot what Mark Sanchez looked like, yea that was partly Greene’s fault for fumbling, but Cro fell apart for two series, and their offense may not have been scoring, but they were keeping ares off the field.
by Judgegavel on Sep 14, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree.
The blemishes of the offense obscured some very schizophrenic defense. And part of the reason (aside from putrid play calling) why the offense couldn’t get rhythm was that it was on the sideline all day.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are so freakin crazy. They O was out of rhythm and on the side-line because the QB was terrible. TERRIBLE.
How can you get into a rhtyhm when you’re 1-11 on 3rd down???
It was BOTH.
I don’t know why the offense being terrible means that the defense wasn’t highly flawed. It would have been a different game if the Ravens were stopped on half of those 3rd downs (some of them extremely long downs).
I’m not saying that the loss was the Defense’s fault, I’m saying that the Defense was incredibly inconsistent, and failed in some rather important categories that lead to some game problems.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The defense's "flaws" don't exist.
How many opportunities are they supposed to give to the offense? They only allowed 10 pts, 3 of which came in the second half, zero of which came in the fourth.
If the offense scores even one TD, we’re talking about poorly officiated that game was rather than poking at a defense who didn’t pitch a shut-out against a great line-up.
They could not get OFF the field.
Do you actually think that the defense played a GREAT game?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!!!
Because they did. They suffered through all those BS calls and kept playing and only gave up 10 freakin pts kv!!!
You want so bad to make this a scenario from last year, when it isn’t. They gave up no points and got the ball back to the O with a chnace to win in this one.
Those were not BS calls.
Were you at the game or at home. If you were at home you would know that they weren’t bs calls.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Not at all.
You must have been at the game.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
They your rabbit ears weren't working on your tv
Wilson hooked Boldin’s arm before the ball got there. He didn’t mean to, but he hooked it a bit. It affected the play and was against the rules.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
you mean when he grabbe him?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Plus Rex said that it wasn't even
Wilson’s fault, the fault was that of the blitz which was screwed up. Under a 0 blitz there shouldn’t have been the time to throw that throw.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
some of them were the pure essence of bull shit
many were deserved though, and I can’t afford a ticket…I watched on UPN…because I also cannot afford cable
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
How many 100 yard receiving games did the defense allow last year?
How many this year?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple. Remember Welker? How many points did they score kv? How many in the fourth quarter? How many on that “infamous” drive you keep talking about?
NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.
It is ALWAYS about game management.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
You’ll see. The defense will show the same weaknesses of last year. Remember how the end of the games went? Remember Miami? Remember NE? Its a problem with this defense. Its a bully defense. As long as it is on top of you, it is amazing. When it comes to game situations, it is highly flawed, or at least it has been so far.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
When a defense cannot close the deal
When it perpetually keeps drives going eventually bad things happen. I’m not saying that the D played badly. They definitely played more than good enough to win, but it showed many of the same characteristics that made it a very flawed defense from last year.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
I guess you would be right if you weren’t wrong.
They didn’t perpetually keep anything going. The refs bailed out the Ravens time and again.
Ultimately they turned it over 3x on their side of the field (rectifying one of your major issues i might add) and they forced a punt with over a minute and a half left to play and a time out in their pocket to give the offense to drive into FG range and win.
The offense’s disastrous and repeated failures does not lie at the feet of the defense.
Anybody know
how many plays the Ghost was on the field?
Dead on. Rex could never close the door with his D’s in Baltimore. They got burned on many last drives to lose it. For all Rex’s talk he chokes a lot. People here complaine about or O over the years but we held leads more often than not…until the final opposing drives when Rex goes prevent and QB’s have hours to scan the field.
wait a minute @Raven
your the guy who said Landry was almost as good as Revis because he only had 2 less picks then Revis right?
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
not that there is anything wrong with that I was just curious
Revis had 2 more picks than Landry. WOW. What a game breaker. Oh please, teams don’t throw at him waah waah waah. He’s a 1 year wonder who stole money from the Jets with this contract. They show the same 3 interceptions on ESPN with all of them coming off some fluke bounce of the ball. Thank you ESPN for increasing the salary of these bums. Jokes on the Jets. I hope this game makes that fat head fire helmet no life gag on his friends 1/2 smoked.
by raven on Sep 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
LOL
too funny. holy crap! i just might need to log on with a new name. my friends have taken liberties with the insults and our communal ID. funny though.
i wouldn’t have given reavis that money. it didn’t get the raiders anywhere.
O okay that makes me feel better
well I will say everyone knew what plays he was calling last night on D and when the blitzs were not effective I would of liked to see some different strategy.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
They didn’t really do their job in second to last Ravens series. When all they had to do was shut down the Ravens and give the ball back to the O just needing a FG to win, instead, as usual, they allowed a long drive eating up valuable clock. Its not just stats at the end of the game (even the score), its about situational performance. The Defense was HORRIBLE on 3rd down, and HORRIBLE in pass coverage, and HORRIBLE when the team needed a stop. It was not as HORRIBLE as the offense, but just because the team had certain flaws, it doesn’t mean that the defense just “did their job”. A defense has many jobs.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ultimately their job is to keep the opponent from scoring. Can you really ask for better than 10 points? Is that even fair? They scored zero in the fourth and 3 in the entire 2nd half. Can we keep the expectations in the realm of reality for this unit.
If you had asked me if I would have signed on for 10 points from the Ravens (3 in the second half), I would have jumped at the opportunity to sign on for that.
Ultimately their job is to keep the opponent from scoring
Actually not. When the other team has the LEAD their job is something more than stopping the other team from scoring. Their job is to turn the ball over to the offense as soon as possible. In fact, this is part of their job the whole game. When the other team has to ball and the game is nearing close, if you let them grind the clock out the Defense has FAILED.
Ravens get the ball with 4:27 at the 26.
1st and 10 at BAL 26 J.Flacco pass deep left to T.Heap to NYJ 39 for 35 yards (E.Smith).
1st and 10 at NYJ 39 R.Rice left tackle to NYJ 32 for 7 yards (M.Kroul).
2nd and 3 at NYJ 32 L.McClain left guard to NYJ 30 for 2 yards (J.Taylor).
3rd and 1 at NYJ 30 J.Flacco right guard to NYJ 29 for 1 yard (B.Scott, J.Taylor).
1st and 10 at NYJ 29 R.Rice left guard to NYJ 31 for -2 yards (B.Thomas, M.Devito).
Timeout #1 by NYJ at 01:55.
2nd and 12 at NYJ 31 R.Rice left end to NYJ 36 for -5 yards (J.Taylor).
Timeout #2 by NYJ at 01:50.
3rd and 17 at NYJ 36 J.Flacco pass incomplete short right to E.Dickson.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They ran 7 plays for 38 yards and punted. The Jets got the ball back with 1:37 left needing only to get into FG range for the win and a time out in their pockets.
They more than did their jobs there.
The job was not done.
The FIRST play was a 35 yard strike to Heap. That was the FIRST play. In one play the Ravens were taken out of danger. The rest was just clock grinding. The Jets did this a lot last year as well. Freakin’ all over the place on D, holding the team down, looking dominant, but situationally letting the game go in the end. Its like a pitcher with GREAT ERA, but a horrible won-loss record. There are times in a game when you simply have to make a stop, you have to get a 3 and out. Again and again last year the Jets D did not. Same story here, both at the end of the game, but also on 3rd down all game. It is just obscured by how bad the team was on offense.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But they didn’t surrender any points!!! WTF are you saying??? They got the O the ball back with 1:38 left and a time out, needing only a FG to win!!!
How can you lay this game at the feet of the D with a straight face?
If the Ravens are up 1 and the run the clock out how is this the defense doing its “job”????
The job of the defense changes with the situation.
The REAL job of the defense is to help the team win the game, and big part of this is not letting the other team score. But also part of it is not letting the other team control the clock, control the time of possession. I don’t know how you can’t know this.
If a pitcher gives up 8 runs and in the bottom of the ninth his team has the bases loaded and no outs with the score 7-8, if the offense fails to score it doesn’t say, “Well, we did our job, we gave him 7 runs, what does he expect?” The offense had a chance to win the game, and didn’t.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
kv are you kidding? If it wasn’t for the defense and Leonhard’s punt return, Mark Sanchez and his dogshit offense would have been STF OUT! They managed NOT ONE scoring drive, of any kind! They were even in FG range a FOURTH time because of Cromartie’s pick, and Greene fumbled those free points away. As bad as that offense looked last night, in reality it’s actually worse. They didn’t even earn the sorry ass 9 points they are credited with.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing my point.
I’m not saying anything about the offense. I am talking about the defense. It showed many of the flaws it showed last year.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The D wasn’t perfect. Zero pressure after the first big sack, so Flacco had his way with the secondary as any decent QB will who isn’t rushed. I really hope that formula can’t be duplicated by other teams or we could be in for a long year. When the blitz can’t get there, mucho problemos. Because we don’t have a pass rusher who can get there on his own.
However, maybe it’s a matter of making adjustments, or throwing in some new wrinkles, and we’re back to tormenting QB’s next week. Sure hope so. Because no corner can cover forever.
Run defense was lights out. Even missing our best d-lineman.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In any case, the D played well enough to win. The offense played well enough to get shut out by Texas Tech.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
When the blitz can’t get there, mucho problemos. Because we don’t have a pass rusher who can get there on his own.
This was the problem last year as well. What it means is that MORE players have to be committed to the rush, leaving the corners are smaller islands, with more penalties, etc.
But worse is that it is in particular that on “close out” downs or game situations the defense melts. The offense seems to hold in its pocket holes in the D that it exploits at the right time. One of these is the tight end deep up the middle. Bellick did the same thing last year, as did a few other teams.
These actually are serious problems in any close game because while it will look like the D is dominant, it is just waiting to be ripped open. It happened alot last year.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had asked me if I would have signed on for 10 points from the Ravens (3 in the second half), I would have jumped at the opportunity to sign on for that.
That is not how reality works. Would you have signed knowing that you also signed for the Jets getting the ball down 1 at the 13 with 1:37 left not having moved the ball the entire game? I would not have.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are u serious, or do you just like to play contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian?
So the defense not only has to hold a potent ofeense to less than 10 points, but they also have to play offense too?
Cmon guy. They held them to 10 points and turned it over 3x and gave the O the ball insane field position. The O utterly failed to score a TD or move the ball into FG range in the waning seconds. The O did NOTHING to contribute to a win.
Completely serious.
Its the difference between a great pitcher, and a great ERA guy. A great pitcher knows that at are situations times when you have to shut the team down. Now a lot of great pitchers are great ERA guys, but some ERA guys are not great pitchers.
The defense did great in a lot of categories ,but there is they also failed in the same areas they failed in last year, situational closures.
The play of Cro is an extreme example of the same. PIs everywhere, but a 66 yard return that should have won the game.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically you want to gloss over the entire failure of the offense all game and focus on one supposed let-down by the defense as the crux of the loss.
Like a pitcher who pitches a complete game, gives up 5 hits, 2 runs in the fifth, and loses 2-1.
You’d rather say the pitcher should pitch better, than the team should score more runs. Thats just crazy.
The Jets score 9 points in 3 FGs, and each of those scoring drives began at the 35 or closer. Not once did the offense drive the ball from enemy territory into scoring position. Not once. And the defense should have won the game? Cmon.
So basically you want to gloss over the entire failure of the offense all game and focus on one supposed let-down by the defense as the crux of the loss.
Not at all. I think the offense was purtrid, and said so many, many times. But it doesn’t mean that the defense was not serious flawed, or caused some of it own problems for itself.
Like a pitcher who pitches a complete game, gives up 5 hits, 2 runs in the fifth, and loses 2-1.
You’d rather say the pitcher should pitch better, than the team should score more runs. Thats just crazy.
Your numbers don’t make sense, but maybe you mean 1 run. I’ll assume that. But if that pitcher had nobody on 2 outs in the ninth and 2 strikes no balls on a singles hitter, and gives up a home run, you say, That guy blew the game.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Your baseball analogy makes NO FREAKIN SENSE!!!
Because our pitcher gave up NO RUNS in the last quarter of this game, and very few overall.
You’re attempting to create the perception of a problem where there’s no problem at all.
If we score 20… hell if we score 11, then we’re RAVING about how dominant the D was last night.
I would not be raving at all. It was incredibly inconsistent. It was schizophrenic to the extreme. Do you think if Cromartie ran that int all the way back and won the game we should all be talking about how fantastic a game he had????
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How many points did the offense score. ONLY 1 point short. They must have done great!
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Did you think that Cromartie, Smith and Wilson had a great game?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
I think the defense snuffed that offense out, and they kept getting bailed out on 3rd down by bad PI calls.
Nice evasion of the question.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Yes. They played well. The defense only gave up ten points despite an extremely titght game called by the officials.
Played well, perhaps but great or fully did their job no...
no one is trying to say Sanchez did his job here, but the defense did not either, they let the Ravens stay out on the field way to long, with huge time consuming drives, and allowed them to be way to successful on third down. Now you want to make excuses for them that it was bad penalty calling, well Sanchez has basically the same excuse you take away some of the equally bad calls on offense, and the stupid fumble by Greene, and they don’t look quite as bad, and we don’t lose the game. The bottom line is neither did what they had to do, the score is meaningless to prove your point. We know Sanchez and the offense did not have a good game. But fact is when your defense stops a team only 42% on third down (regardless of the reasons) gives up almost 240 yards passing, and allows them to remain on the field so long (almost 40 minutes), they aren’t doing their job either.
You guys are in absolute and total denial. Their O was on the field so much because our O was in a rush to get off of it.
1-11 on third down. 1-11!!!! Are you freakin kidding me??!!!
No that was why the defense was out there so much not so long
big difference. Yes blame the offense for putting them out there too many times, but you blame the defense for letting them have 6-8 minute drives keeping the offense off the field, and letting the dominate TOP.
This back and forth is great -- dissecting every last detail
What did Sanchez have to eat before the game? Maybe that’s what threw him off his game. Wow.
by rintintinsoldier on Sep 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It's better then a blog full of insulting one liners.
It also shows we want to understand our team and not just be a typical bandwagoner i.e Patriot “fans”.
Patriot fans – You know what I’m talking about and I’m right. Their are plenty of new Jets “fans” as well, just not as much in this blog.
haha
this is getting ridiculous with the baseball argument. I think what kv is trying to say is this: If you have a pitcher who has pitched a 1 hit shutout in the ninth and its 0-0, and then gives up a homer in the ninth, you would say that the pitcher blew the game. Even tho he had a one hit SO going into the ninth. Does that make more sense?
by TurtlePower88 on Sep 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
crack has a point
we would not have even had those 9 pts had the D not held it down and stuck the Ravens progress early on.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea if you want to over simplify it...
I mean then the offense only came up 1 point short, so I guess they didn’t play that bad.
No we dissect what actually happened, the offense actually played worse than the score, they could not do anything aside from LT. And the defense really played worse than the score, they couldn’t get the Ravens offense off the field, so gave the offense no chance to get in any rhythm.
Hilarious.
I mean then the offense only came up 1 point short, so I guess they didn’t play that bad.
That is the perfect counterpoint.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What???!!!!
The Ravens had essentially 11 drives durng the game (last one doesn’t count, kneel down).
3 resulted in turnovers that gave our offense the ball in scoring range. At the Baltimore 11, 37, and 31.
5 resulted in Punts.
2 resulted in points. 10 points!!!
The ONLY reason the offense couldn’t get into a rhythm, or score a TD, is because the QB sucked. Completely and utterly sucked.
The offense did pretty good, it was only 1 point from a tie game. Right? I mean the name of the game isn’t scoring points, its scoring more points than your opponent, and they came VERY close to doing that. Right?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
NO. A mediocre offense scores about 21 pts. A mediocre offense against a good defense scores about 15. A mediocre offense against a below average secondary scores about 25 pts.
The Jets should have scored somewhere btw 15-25.
Your logic is beyond convoluted.
The Ravens defense was top 3 last year.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
That wasn’t last year’s Ravens defense last night. A real QB with our offense would have moved the ball and got some points on that secondary.
The defensive pressure was there all night.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
It wasn’t there al nite. He checked way too fast way too many times. And half the time it was there becuase he was so inept at making them pay for it.
It was because much of the night the Ravens were dropping 8. Cotch said it today on 1050.
Now when 8 are dropped do you want mr 20 interceptions threading the needle?
The Ravens KNEW if they dropped 8 they would force the immediate checkdown, and they prepared for it. They forced either the checkdown or the blitz crush. It was a very potent game plan concidering the state of the offense. Any time they needed to close down a drive they would blitz. Otherwise it was 8 back.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
i don't even have to read all this BS
Point is, when a defense holds you to 10 points, that means they did their job really well. But if an offense can only score 9 points, that means they didn’t do their job. Period.
now KV has a point
u really can’t say the Raven’s were slacking. They had pressure on all night and did a good job of switching looks.
Even when they went 8 man zone they still got pressure using only their front 3!
That big hit Sanchez took….that was 8 man zone, no blitzers but plenty enough pass rush for the Ravens liking.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 15, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The Offense had ample time in the last series to get down the field and put themselves in scoring position.
The defense was the one, that knocked the Ravens out of FG position, and kept the score within 1. No matter how many times they shot themselves in the foot, they did their job, and the offense didn’t. The offense had the ball numerous times in great scoring position, and failed. It’s not the job of the defense to score points. If they do, great, but that role belongs to the offense, and the D gave them more than enough to work with.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Sep 14, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The got the ball with 1:38 at the 18 with 1 time out.
They had time, but it certainly was not “ample” time. If the D hadn’t given up 35 yards to Heap in the series before it would have been more like the 37 yard line. Then they would have had “ample” time.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good QB’s win that game, or at least would give their kickers an opportunity to win that game, EVERY TIME.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That is different than saying the Jets had "ample" time.
And I’m not sure that merely a “good” QB pulls that off against the Ravens D. Perhaps a great one, but not a good one.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 14, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. But the problem with the defense, the problem it poses is a PRESSURE problem. That is the core of it. Their game plan was to allow the check down and the Jet game plan was to check down. It wasn’t that complicated. They knew what the Jets were going to do and allowed it, and snuffed it. The corners never came into play.
But if you noticed early in the game the corners defended quite well, particularly on Edwards.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Not at all. I guess you did not see the early pass defenses.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
And Sanchez was horrible after those early throws
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Matt Hasselbeck, Carson Palmer, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Schaub aren’t “great” but could have won that game wearing an eye patch. You say “Ravens defense” like they’re impregnable, but the coverage unit was second-teamers…
Sanchez wouldn’t complete that drive with 10 chances and 6 downs. He couldn’t even get halfway there! Against a spread out prevent with only 3 rushers? It was pitiful to watch.
by nationalist88 on Sep 14, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Last night wasn't all gloom and doom anyway...
The D looked good. Let me repeat, all other statistics aside: THE RAVENS SCORED NOTHING in the second half. Points are the only statistic that matters.
Let me give props to the Special Teams again too.
Really, we just need to pass more. That would have made a world of difference and come week 5 we’ll have Santonio with us and that’ll help.
I think a lot of unfair pressure is being put on Sanchez as a result of all the talk and the hype.
Look, THE COLTS lost by 10. We lost by 1 and were in it to the last seconds against a team that we could very well meet again in the playoffs.
Yes but...
In the Colts’ case it was a defensive meltdown. It was our offense.
All I’m saying is that we lost… and I think it felt more frustrating because of a lackluster offensive push and stupid penalties. However, we certainly didn’t get run over or anything.
There is something more to be said...
As mentioned even though our D gave up all those 3rd down conversions they did something that is still good. A lot of times a D’s success relies on it’s ability to bend and not break (if that makes any sense). There was some pretty extreme bending but the D didn’t give up points in the second half. Now if the Offense did more we wouldn’t be talking nearly as much about the flaws we did have on D. I guess the way people are talking about the Pats we will truly find out if our D is as good as advertised this weekend.
by Mac N Cheese on Sep 14, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I agree on a lot of those points.
I’m not going to speak on one of those, because I’m writing a piece on it which’ll be up in next 24 hours.
Something you mentioned, that is extremely disconcerting, that a lot of us noticed tonight. A long-term problem, possibly. Not short-term.
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I’m the last guy to mention ‘same ol jets.’
But….
We’ll see. Only week one. Rex said today the gameplan will be to throw the ball down the field. Let’s see how sanchez/the offense does, then we can pass judgment. Shonn Greene responding to the fumble… David Clowney needed to prove for a roster spot.
Good post though, it was short, but agree with it all.
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Disagree
I dont know what it is about the Jets but we dont want to let the chains off the QB’s at all…….. Flaco had at least 30 passes by the beginning of the 4th quarter Sanchez had like 13 you cant scare Baltimores defense with a whole bunch of running Peyton Manning would have passed the ball atleast 40 times at the 4th Quarter mark especially if the run wasnt working, are DB’s were getting beat (wish we had kerry) penalties out the A$$ and on top of all that Greene!!!? What the hell happened to Greene?? He is are bruiser to soften up the defense so LT can run a he pleases, the defense was tired as hell
Flacco is a lot better QB than Sanchez
He’s basically better in terms of accuracy, arm strength and defensive recognition/reads. You can’t really fault the Jets for not giving Sanchez as many pass plays as Flacco had.
Flacco looke like crap most of the game. He missed Le-Ron in the end zone by 10 yards, threw at Rice’s feet on the 5 and shorted deep balls many times. Thank gosh for Boldin. Whosyourmamma is a great pick up too. He drew 2 huge penalities.
well he did look a lot better in the 2nd half for you guys for the most part
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Total steal. Houshmanzata signed for $800,000 for 1 year. That is a steal too.
The Jets run D is awsome. We got nothin’ going. I was a fan of Jenkins when he was at UMD. Very sad news. To me, I feel like the Jets sort of won this game. You controlled field position and were screwed by penalties. We were damn lucky to get off the 1 yard line a few times. Don’t ask me how.
yeah Jenks is a big let down he work extremely hard to get ready for this season.
Well I said last night even if the scores were reversed I would not have a warm fuzzy feeling, I don’t think either team played to potential but at week 7 the win/loss will be remembered and thats it..
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
yep. like us, the Jets will make the playoffs and not go far because of the QB. i’ve never been a big flacco fan and actually wanted to see bulger against your blitz. he reads and delivers quicker. thats what a team needs when they are being moved upfront.
I didn't say Flacco was an elite QB
I just said he’s light years better than Sanchez. Even playing poorly on Monday, Flacco was still much better than Mr. Poise
There were some posts during preseason that bothered me. The jist of them was that the only important goal of the preseason games was to get through them with no injuries. That time on the field should be kept to a minimum for the starters. At the time, I thought, no, the offense is all amount timing and teamwork. You only get that through repetition. IMO the Jets offense was not ready to go against the Ravens defense. Of course many offenses are not ready to go against the Ravens at any point in the season. But, I don’t think the Jets gave themselves a chance. It was obvious the offense was out of sync the entire game.
I am hoping they just had big heads and didn't prepare as hard as they should of
and with a hard weeks pratice and good prep, they will look like a different team this week.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Yeah that's it
It was just a big head thing — not.
by rintintinsoldier on Sep 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
wow your talking smack when you almost lost to the Bills....lol
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Not talking smack at all
But the Jets certainly didn’t go into the Ravens game thinking they had it won — no way. Baltimore has too good of a rep for that to happen.
And yes, Miami barely won at Buffalo — remember last year, opening week, New England beats Buffalo due to a muffed kickoff by Buffalo return man. I’ll take the W.
by rintintinsoldier on Sep 16, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it was big heads more like
they didn’t game plan as well as the Ravens did. Sadly, we were out coached and showed poor discipline which also goes back on coaching.
Just imagine...
If revis still wasn’t signed after that game we would have been forced to give him whatever the hell he wants after that game
by Gare on Sep 14, 2010 10:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Next up!
Jets has put tremendous pressure on themselves, but must sole two major problems for New England—penalties and run offense. Penalties must stop. Running game needs continuity FAST—and who better to turn to than Hall-of-Famer LDT. Right now, LDT takes over TJ’s role with addition of screens. This is an absolute no brainer. Run with now and don’t stop. Greene comes in late to pound defense into submission. Defense and special teams need to stay on course. GO JETS!
Huh?
most of those yards were on 2 runs. Did you watch the game? Stats lie.
A runner who is effective in a game like this one (low scoring defensive struggle) is getting 3 to 5 yards consistently. A 6 yard average means nothing if 2 of the carries are for 15 to 20 yards and the others (I think he had 11 carries) go for 1 or 2 yards on average.
by rintintinsoldier on Sep 15, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually it means alot.
It means that runner broke off long runs that gave the team first downs. If you are alluding to the fact that LT would get 6 yards on any given carry that would be not accurate, saying he was ineffective or “it means nothing” is also inaccurate. It still means he had an impact overall.
The play calling was vanilla and predictable though, which lead to most of those 2 yard carries. They might as well of let the D in their huddle and explained the plays to them. That being said, even with my prior statement, he was still a threat to break a big run on any given play with an average that high.
LT breaking big runs will be few and far between this year --- he's on his last leg (literally)
but keep hoping.
Give me a 3 to 5 yard back any day in a game like that one. But we can certainly differ on opinion.
by rintintinsoldier on Sep 16, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Take it Easy on Sanchez
The weather conditions were horrible—the wind, the driving rain, near freezing temps—
This week will be better, I promise-after all we have Clowney back.
Was kidding on temps
just busting balls—the guy flat out sucked—his numbers look like that the game was played in the snow!
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