The Giants Are the Least of the Jets' Worries
by John B on Sep 12, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
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There seems to be some sort of movement among those close to the Giants to claim the two New York teams are in direct competition this year. Ian O'Connor said so in an ESPN New York article. Mike Francesa used some of his trademark bluster this morning, claiming the stadium belongs to the Giants and that the Jets are in their shadows over past accomplishments. Ed Valentine of SB Nation New York made a rather bold claim on this topic today.
For me, this is a little bit like the Yankees vs. the Mets. Remember back in 2000 when the two New York teams met in the World Series? The Yankees won, putting an exclamation point on their hold over New York's baseball landscape. Even if the Mets had won the championship that season, however, New York would still belong to the Yankees when it comes to baseball.
For me, this whole Giants-Jets dynamic feels a little bit the same way. The Giants have so much more history, and a recent study put them as the third-most popular franchise in the NFL while the Jets were ranked 18th.
O'Connor is a professional writer entitled to his opinion. Francesa has done more to discredit himself than when talking about the Jets in the past twelve months than any sports journalist in recent memory. Ed I consider a friend. He's a great guy. I don't agree with any of them, however.
The Jets aren't chasing the Giants. The teams do not play this year. The Giants have a better history. They have more fans. What does it really matter, though? The Cardinals were in the Super Bowl two years ago. They have a historically apathetic fan base. Did that make their run any less special? I'd rather have my team hoist the Lombardi Trophy than win vague popularity contests.
The focus of the Jets is on Miami and New England in the division. It is on San Diego, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore in the AFC. The goal is to win the Super Bowl. The Giants play no role and will not unless they are the Jets' Super Bowl opponent.
If the Jets are more successful on the field than the Giants, new fans will flock to them, and they will become the most popular team in the city just like the Mets overtook the Yankees in the 1980's. That's really not important, though. Let Francesa worry about symbolic victories. Let Brandon Jacobs worry about the preseason championship. What the Giants do is not Gang Green's concern.
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Good point
I really could care less what the Giants do. They are not in the division nor do we play them this year.
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The dynamic between the Jets and Giants is nothing like that between the Mets and Yankees. The Yankees are one of the greatest organizations in pro sports anywhere in the world. They have 27 championships. Their uniforms, players, logo, stadium and everything, really, are iconic.
A team like that can’t exist in football. The NFL as a system negates that possibility. Even if there could be a “Yankees of football,” it’s not the Giants. NY’s football loyalty is fluid. The Giants have only “owned” this city because we’ve allowed them to do so with our sucking. If we were to start ripping off wins while they struggled, things would reverse almost immediately.
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I would say the Cowboys are closer to the Yanks...
the Giants, I wouldn’t call their history great, nice sure, but nothing amazing, they are not the Cowboys. Sure they have more fan, but its not close to the discrepancy between Yankee and Mets fans, this is a very poor comparison.
The Giants have 7 NFL championships the Cowboys have 5
You’re right the Giants are not the Yankees but they have the third most NFL titles and the most playoff wins of all NFL teams in history. Dallas is like the Yankees in regards to random fan popularity. They did crown NFL champions before the SB.
Oh come on, do you honestly think anyone cares about pre-Super Bowl championships? By that logic, Cleveland was once a dynasty.
Giants have three titles. Let’s be realistic here.
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LOL!!!!! Are you Serious Yes people do!
Vince Lombardi is considered the greatest coach ever becasue he won 5 NFL tittles but only 2 SB’s.
I could go on and on but I’ll just leave it at that. If you don’t think anyhting pre-1966 does not count in the NFL then well I guess Jonny U, Jim Brown, Dick Butkis don’t count either. I mean really please re-think your statement. If your under 20 I’ll give you a pass but if your over then your not really much of an NFL fan.
Yes Clevland was a dynasty in the 50's
So the 65 Pack don’t count but the 66 and 67 teams do? Wow. Thats stunning, I mean stunning. I mean how about I say anything pre 1970 merger does not count. So SB III does not count. I mean if your going wipe away history because it does not make sense to you then well I can do the same.
I’m not saying that things that occurred before 1966 are irrelevant, I’m arguing that the championships accrued then are not perceived to be of equal value to those won in the modern era. People refer to the Packers’ three titles far more often than they do to their 12 total.
You don’t have to agree with this outlook, but this is how the football world operates. If you can’t list your rings with roman numerals, it just isn’t the same. So by all means, go into histrionics over this, but you can’t change the collective mentality of this league and its fans.
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LOL!!!!!
“If you can’t list your rings with roman numerals, it just isn’t the same” This is why Jet fans are not considered very intellegent. Jonny U is still considered one of the best big game QBs of all time yet he never won a SB (He got knocked out of SB V early on) and most of that occured in the pre-Super Bowl era so how does the collective mentality of the league and its fans not take championships seriously prior to 1966? How could players pre SB be relavant but not the games they play and win? You seem to have the I got into football in 1996 because it was cool and other people were and don’t know that much so I’m only going to make up rules that are convienient for me. You probabbly pay 150 dollars for a Jersey at the stadium too and talk about how “die-hard” you are. And genius 1956 is closer to 1968 than 1968 is too 2010 so SB III should not be considered “modern era”.
While I appreciate the rash of ill-informed ad hominem attacks, your argument still doesn’t hold up. I have quite seriously heard people talk about how unfortunate the Browns are for having last won the title in 1964, two years before the first Super Bowl.
No one here is saying that fans disregard the history of the league, or ignore the importance of Johnny U, Jim Butkus and other greats of their era (which, again, is not considered the modern age. If there is such a thing as a football historian, I swear to you they would use the start of the Super Bowl to as the line of demarcation).
I’m not going to sit here and debate something so obvious to everyone else with some douche who keeps saying “LOL!!!” especially one who keeps twisting their logic to denigrate SB III because they think it will hurt me somehow.
You’re wrong, buddy. In a million different ways, by a million different measures, you’re just wrong. Go away, You’re not getting another response out of me, fool.
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DUH
ME JET FAN ME NOT INTELLIJUNT DUHHHH
Very sound reasoning there, Landeta. Get over yourself.
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by kotite4ever on Sep 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
While I won't negate any knowledge you have of the game...
I will say this. You do seem to lack a realistic view of people. Now before you flip your wig and try to get into some bigger penis contest with me understand the logic to my statement. Nobody except for some of the older crowd references the overall championships. The sports media does not say “this team has won this many championships”…they say "this team is a 1, 2, 3, or however many time “Superbowl Champion”. With that said most of the NFL fanbase does not account for championships prior to the first Superbowl. If you pay attention simply to the way they talk about the Steelers you will notice some are refering to them as the greatest NFL franchise based off of 6 “Superbowl” championships. Those are all of their championships while you have teams with more overall championships like the Packers with 12, Bears with 9, Browns 8, and Giants 7. So to basically answer the topic at hand…the Jets can eliminate any "perceived’ hold that the Giants have on New York in less than a decade since there is only a difference of 2 superbowl championships between them. Just to close out my rambling…by your logic the Packers should have the biggest fanbase in the NFL not the Cowboys.
by Mac N Cheese on Sep 13, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand you want to defend your home when a team comes to town.
But the Meadowlands does not belong to either team. It’s just the place thoes teams go to work. Let it go Giants!
by colinyoung on Sep 12, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
I don't understand why people care about this at all.
It is so trivial. Just because there are two teams in one city there has to be an issue? I don’t get it. I love our state, I love our city, and I just happen to be a Jets fan.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Funny ‘cause a friend of mine is a Giants fan and I’m giving him crap when the Panthers were winning at halftime, right? So one of his responses was sending me a pic of a ticket he has in a few weeks to a Giants home game. And you know what it says printed right there on that game ticket? THE NEW GIANTS STADIUM. Tell me, how does that happen and how do they get away with it? And as a Jets fan whose money is paying for part of that stadium, how does that not piss you off?
by nationalist88 on Sep 13, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Francesca
dislikes the Jets because they won’t let any member of the team on his show(I can’t imagine why). He said so the other day.
because he trashes them all the time
I have to listen to him due to seniority, it is personal which is not the way sports hosts should be imo.
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Giants Fan
and I agree with ya.
Best of luck vs the Ravens tomorrow, expecting a good game
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All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
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Interesting
We face the same dynamic in the Bay Area. Whether the 49ers and Raiders are a rivalry and which team belongs to the area. I agree with your point John, cross-city teams should be the least of your worries.
Worry about your divisional opponent. The Jets only play the Giants every four years, so they should only concentrate on them every four years.
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So stupid
Jets and Giants are business partners, and they really don’t compete except for the affection of fans around here (and since there 20 million people living in the tri-state area alone, there are plenty of fans to go around). Only old farts like Francesa or print dinosaurs like O’Connor care about shit like this. I’m more concerned with the Dolphins, Patriots, and Bills than the Giants, and I’m sure Giants fans feel the same way about the Cowboys, Eagles and Skins.
Anyone who says otherwise is an obese blowhard (Francesa) or a shitty writer who has nothing to write about (O’Connor). Yawn.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
It’s a well known fact that 2 out of every 3 Giant fans are effeminate (ala M. Francesa).. Perhaps the Jets making their quarterback look like Frankenstein has spurred their inner manliness?
Yeah, you’re probably right, but I was at a pub this afternoon with some friends, minding my own business and watching the games and I had to listen to a bunch of Gints fans yakking about how much attention the Jets are getting and how little the Jets ownership has done for their fans for the last 40 years. So I might have been a little bit exasperated. But it was a bit like listening to teenage girls talking about the boys who ignore them, hence the effeminate remark,
You know Francesa isn't even a Giant fan, right?
He’s basically a Parcells fanboy.
Let them have the team of NY title.
It won’t stop me from following my team, the Jets. This all is in response to all the press the Jets are getting. They may had thought in the past that the giants didn’t have to share the NY or national press. Now since they know they have to share it or take a back seat; theses haters don’t know how to handle it but to discredit the Jets and their fans. FU_K THEM!!!!
Lombardi Trophy or Popularity in Tri-State Area trophy?
Idk about you guys but I think the Lombardi Trophy sounds a tad better. Anyone agree?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 13, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Giants fan perspective
I agree with John’s article 100% and I hate this whole Jets/Giants thing it makes ZERO sense from an on the field standpoint, BUT there is one big point that I think John and some Jets fans are missing. Your owner and HC started all of this crap with their talking. I never heard Mara, Tish, or Coughlin make any comments torwards the Jets and worry so much about the Jets. Rex said this is a Jet town now and this stadium belongs to us. Woody made a lot of the same sorts of comments about being the biggest show in town. I mean the whole coin flip thing, how during the building of the stadium it almost did not happen becasue Woody threw a fit becasue he did not want the Giants to have there office’s in the stadium so they had to move them 10 feet outside.
Much of this trash talking you’ve be hearing from Giants fans is a reaction to guys like Rex and Woody making comments and hyping up the team, unfortunatley you Jet fans are the ones who get a lot of that venom, thats never been present in the past, so you’re understandably pissed but if you look at it objectively the Jets coach and owner are just as obnoxious as some of these Giants fans. I know you want to defend your team and all but all this all started with your Coach and owner. I mean your owner did your ring of honor ceramony during a preason game, when a lot of the real season ticket holders are not there, just so he could do it before the Giants do theirs. I mean how much better would that be if that was done tomorrow night vs the Ravens?
I mean I’ll be honest I always kinda rooted for the Jets but my god unless you bleed green they are tough to root for. The coach is annoying and a loudmouth. The team talks so much trash even I was a Jet fan I would want them to shut up, (kinda like when Shockey was a Giant). “We are the Miami Heat of Football” really Antonio if you signed Peyton Manning in the off-season maybe you’d have a point. I mean the hype is unbeilivable. There is more hype with the Jets this year than with Indy, NO, and SD only Dallas is getting hyped up on the same level and that happens regardless. I mean sure on paper they are good they finshed very strong in 09 and I think they have a real chance to be a very good team and win 11 or 12 games no question but if they go 7-9 or 8-8 I would not be shocked either. I mean NE is not as good as in the past but there not dead, Miami is pretty good, the entire AFC south is tough, Pitt and Balt are solid as is SD. My point is the Jets are one of 8 teams that have a shot at the playoffs. They have some big strenghts but also some question marks one big one being QB which is a pretty big one. Sanchez is being annointed as the next great QB but his rookie season was worse than Jamarcus Russel’s. If Pennington was the Jets QB last year you win 2 maybe 3 more games. If he does not improve a lot it will be a dog fight to make the playoffs again like it was last year yet the way the Jets hype themselves you would think they’re going for their 3rd SB in 4 years. It’s just tough to take as a football fan not even as a Giant fan. I really miss Chad, Herm, and Curtis I really liked those guys and those Jet teams. Think of it like this if the Dolphins did what the Jets did last year and then talked themselves up this much how would you take it? I don’t think it’s just Giant fans either, I think a lot of other fans around the country are a bit turned off by the Jets there just happends to be two teams in this market so your going hear the other fan base sound off about the your team.
People should be used to the trash talk by now. The Jets could go 0-16 and Rex will still talk up a storm. The players themselves don’t do much talking unless somebody says something about the Jets first. Get used to the talk because its not going to stop, its just who the Jets are.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Sep 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
but get used to people hating your team and agiain not just Giants fans. So don’t complain about Giants fans putting the Jets down or dedicate posts to how wrong a sportswriters are about ripping the Jets.
So don’t complain about Giants fans putting the Jets down or dedicate posts to how wrong a sportswriters are about ripping the Jets.
Thats nothing new.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Sep 13, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
it may seem that way but again a guy like myself used to root for the Jets and I know a lot of other Giant fans that feel the same but it’s gotten impossibly hard. Sportswriters well they love you when you win and rip you when you loose so who cares.
You mean you liked the Jets
When they were quiet and bland and non-threatening. No shock there. it’s always tough to like a mouthy team when it isn’t “your” team, and to be fair, the Jets were talking a lot of crap last year too in the pre-season, it’s just that no one cared because the Jets were not seen as a serious playoff contender with a rookie coach and a rookie QB. Now that they had their playoff run and the non-stop talking reached another level, it’s become annoying to everyone (which I totally understand).
That being said, there are reasons why I like the Jets and not teams like the Giants, Steelers, etc. I understand that they are “model” NFL franchises with a crapload of titles and family ownership that goes back thousands of years (or so it seems). I view sports as entertainment, and the Jets have always been entertaining (oftentimes for the wrong reasons) if nothing else. I will always love the Jets because I always root for underdog teams, teams that are “second fiddle” to the older, stodgier, and more established teams. It’s why I could never love a stuffy franchise like the Yankees, no matter how much they win, and the Giants have never appealed to me for the same reason.
There are two teams in this town, and I feel like – in general terms – they appeal to different types of fans. The Giants won three Super Bowls, but the Jets won the most “important” Super Bowl in NFL history, and the fact that the Jets still get a lot of run out of that is both cool and pathetic at the same time, but it’s what makes the Jets the Jets. It’s why I love them and why I harbor no ill will towards the Giants. I wouldn’t trade my Jet fandom for anything.
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by kotite4ever on Sep 13, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i think along them same lines its why im an Islander , Met fan. but come on, a man can only stand so much...
non the less im thinking your a younger fan because when i became a Giant fan back in 84 ( i liked the jets back then as well). the Giants were far from dull (LT) and had no rings.
I don't mind Rex trash talking at all
What is he supposed to say, that his team sucks? Of course he’s going to praise his team and set high goals for them. I don’t agree with him hyping the team up as a surefire SB team, but I understand how it fits into his brash attitude and confidence. He made a rule last season about always having the players praise each other or a coach during exchanges with the media. That’s just a part of the team showing support for each other, and if they end up hyping the team and people take it as talking trash, so be it, it’s their opinion. If the Giants talked like this I won’t care either because in the end it’s just talk. Rex, for all his talking, has never showed any disrespect for another team or their coaches. The jabs he’s gave to opposing players were often the result of provocation (Channing Crowder), and it was always playful trash talk rather than any ill will. If people don’t like it, deal with it, talk trash all you want, I think it’s more entertaining that way. But don’t go around like Mike Francesa saying total nonsense like that the new stadium belongs to the Giants only. That’s not an opinion, it’s objectively false.
by secret defense on Sep 13, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
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