Kyle Wilson to Return Punts
by John B on Sep 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
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PrintSTC Mike Westhoff says rookie Kyle Wilson "absolutely" will return punts. Will share with Jim Leonhard, depending on situation.
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Wilson was a great return man at Boise State. Considering how little the Jets did well on punt returns in 2009, this is a spot where we should see a significant upgrade. The team now has a threat to take the ball all the way.
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One more small effect the Revis holdout had.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe McKnight...inactive
this is one of the best moves of the off season, Wilson is a game changer on PR.
Just so I know
Does anyone know who can or has be tried out to return punts on our roster?
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JCo, Leonhard, McKnight, and I guess Wilson now. Pittsburg used Holmes a lot, I think we tried Brad Smith for a short time last year, but he wasn’t good. Still can’t understand why they don’t use Woodhead, he seems perfect for it, I have to imagine that Westhoff has tried him in practice, so there probably is a good reason the do not. Still Wilson was dynamic in college, and is the best option I think.
Yeah I knew Cotch and Jim L did most of it last year
I was just trying to see if there was anyone I could not think of, Yeah I agree 100% on Woodhead he does seem perfect for it.
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Revis caught punts on that game where Leonhard broke his hand.
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yea that was dumb
i wouldve been more comfortable just letting it bounce and taking awful field position
actually...
according to NFL.COM B Smith was 4th in KR with 10 KR for a 31 yrd avg, 1 td of 106 yrds and 4th in PR with only 2 PR for a 13.5yrd avg.(nobody that had over 5 carries averaged more than 15 yrds) and he had no fumbles on KR or PR. He got the call late in the season and was good, better than JCo.
by george JETson on Sep 11, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Just makes me nervous using corner who is so important to what we are trying to do this year.
Yeah he is real good at it but if there is someone else who even looks close to as good as Wilson who would have less of an impact to the team if they got hurt, I would rather use them.
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But thats just the way I look at football keep the most important player out of harms way as much as possible unless of course it is something like going for a win.
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Are you less nervous about Leonhard? He seems even more important to the D. Also, maybe its just me but punt returners don’t really seem much more prone to injury than any other position. The advantage is that you see all the players coming. Its just one more play. The taxing thing isn’t the injury I suspect, its rather the game planning, having to learn schemes.
Plus isn’t punt returning one of the most important positions on the roster? Wasn’t he drafted almost as much with PRing as CBing? Punt returns change games.
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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
*in mind
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that was a kick off return, not to mention in a preseason game.
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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Leonhard also had the same number of returns the year before at Baltimore.
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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. I’m not suggesting him, I’m only saying that using an important defensive player has precedent. I don’t recall anyone saying “Please take Leonhard off of the PR team”, but maybe I’m wrong.
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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I just wish McKnight could step up and do it well
there is such a drop off after Wilson on the depth chart at CB,so weigh that against how much better he is V the next punt returner on the roster and then you decide if it is worth the risk, but he if gives us the best choice to score points on PR then I guess how could you not use him. I just wish there was a way to use someone less important…lol
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And for all his faults during pre-season McKnight was perfect on PR...
showed some ability, and was surprisingly sure handed.
Well, weigh the effect of a few breakaway punt returns from Wilson against a few putting-the-ball-on-the-grounds by McKnight.
I guess I have much less fear of Wilson (or anyone) getting hurt on PRs.
I mean under the same fear why not also limit Wilson’s snaps taken on D for fear of him getting hurt on anyone of them? I’m curious though, where does this fear come from? I can’t recall any PRs getting hurt on PR significantly.
I mean Deion Sanders, maybe the best CB ever and not the most physical guy, was a significant punt returner for 8 of his 14 seasons. Devin Hester a pretty slight guy shouldered the workload without much injury at all. Dante Hall, another small guy, had a heavy workload without much injury.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
would you agree that if you had 2 punt returners pretty much equal in ability that you would use the one less important to your team winning games?
Didn’t they not let him return the punts in the pre season when he was the starting corner and Revis was out?
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Didn’t they not let him return the punts in the pre season when he was the starting corner and Revis was out?
Was this really because they were afraid he would get hurt??? I took this as the priority of him learning the position thoroughly, and not having to divide his time learning to return kicks.
would you agree that if you had 2 punt returners pretty much equal in ability that you would use the one less important to your team winning games?
I don’t know that is a strange hypothetical. Wilson was one of the best punt returners in the nation last year. If you were to tell me that you had two rookies who were top punt returners in college last year, and one was more important to the defense, which one would I want? The answer is easy. But you seem to be acting as if ANYONE could return punts like Wilson. As if you are hoping some name you hadn’t even heard of was going to be called into service. It is such a small issue I’m not sure why you are worried.
You should be excited to see what Wilson can do with Westy scheming for him. There should be a lot of punts this year, and a lot of yards to be had. Jets were 13th in yards per last year, 19th in long, with 0 TDs, while they LED the league in number of returns (50). This is a hidden area for a lot of improvement. I would be thinking thank God we have Wilson.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You speak like I don't like Wilson
I love the kid I just don’t want him to get hurt
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IDK kv
I thought they said they were holding him from PR because Revis was out.
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Maybe you right
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It may well have been that Revis was out, but Revis being out just made it more important that he concentrate on the starting CB position, and learn it properly.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to know what the difference between Wilson and the next guy
Yeah he is real good at it but if there is someone else who even looks close to as good as Wilson who would have less of an impact to the team if they got hurt, I would rather use them.by BL3ACH on Sep 10, 2010 6:21 PM EDT
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you seem to be acting as if ANYONE could return punts like Wilson by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT
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I wanted to know what the difference between Wilson and the next guy
I don’t find that an uninteresting question. But consider that in 2008 Wilson lead the nation in punt return TDs (tied with another at 3), and was 4th in average, and you haven’t even heard of the guy who is supposed to be just as good as him because of something he did in preseason.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I did know wilson was a good punt returner but I didn’t know he was that good in college.
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He fell off the next year, but in 08 he was amazing.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong I love the idea of having a home run threat
on every PR, I am just a natural worrier about this type of crap…lol
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I understand, I worry about stuff irrationally too.
But look at this, especially the shifts against UI, and the acceleration against MNSU, they should give you chills:
He has a very different, tight running style on the return. He makes very angled changes of direction, and has real second to third gear changes of speed. He lacks the incredible 4th gear of Deion, but the guy is something else.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
smh
The best cover corner in the draft along with his punt return ability..how did he go behind those other 2 CBs?
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I think he is better then Haden but there could be an arguement but with the other 2 it is crazy….What am I missing here ???
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Yeah but that was my question was he just blowing the doors off punt returning
head and sholders above everyone else or was he close, I would rather see woodhead or Cotch do it, imo he can take more of a beating
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take more of a beating than Deion Sanders? Or Hester, or Hall?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that all three of the guys I mentioned were slighter than Wilson and had no problem.
Was there any player in the league more important to defense than Deion when he was Prime Time?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I not saying it is like off the wall out there to use staters to return.
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Hall returning was how he got on the team and was never a great receiver
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same with hester thats why the Bears took him so high and then they tried to morph him into a receiver
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Hey if he looks like Deion and is returning punts for TDs then okay, we just need 3 cover corners for rex to do what he wants to do.
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and when Hester became more of a focus on offense
Daniel Manning started to PR a lot and Knox last year
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Not saying Hester still did not return punts but if you have as dynamic of punt returner as we have seen in the last decade on your roster and you start giving reps to other people.
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You are missing my point about Hester. It was about safety.
Hester’s punt returns fell in 08 and 09 likely because he had 0 TDs in both those years, and his average had fallen from the mid-teens to about 7 yards per. He lost effectiveness. It was not because, I suspect, suddenly he was so valuable as a receiver. In fact he never became that valuable as a receiver.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The point about Hester and Hall was that these guys were very slight guys who PRed a lot and never got injured in any way worth mentioning.
The point about Deion was that this guy was precious to a defense, yet PRed for 8 years, even beyond when he was still “Prime Time”. Its just not that dangerous a position, as far as I have been able to tell.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if it is that easy
then why don’t we just let Shonne Greene do it? Why doesn’t every team have their most explosive marquee offensive player do it? There is a reason they don’t do that, save for the Super Bowl and Madden games.
And Deion is a whole different story. If I remember correctly, Deion played both sides of the ball also. Devin Hester started out and made a name for himself as a PR.
lol nevermind I got confused which room I was in
I have 2 windows open
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KW
it takes a special breed to return punts and KW has it. He has the ability to get good field position and take it all the way. I think usuing KW is a good option especially since JW can’t get his head out of his a** yet. Of course with a good lead don’t use KW but we need a good PR when the game is still in question.
Question I've always had
Why doesn’t the same person return punts and kicks? If he’s so good at punts, why isnt he good at kicks?
good question
seems like punt coverage is much closer to the returner upon the arrival of the ball. If you can make one lateral move and go, make one guy miss while standing still, you would be more suited to return punts, a faster guy with better vision I guess is better to return kicks because you can build almost up to top speed at times before the coverage team reaches you. Some guys can do both, but you’re right, most don’t.
Yes its a bit different skill set, PR is more difficult and complicated to some extent. You have the defenders coming down on you and have to make a judgement call on when to field or call a FC, plus they are more difficult to catch (the ball comes off the foot very different), and you don’t have the number of blockers in front of you. Fielding a KR is not nearly as crucial, as your usually surrounded by your own guys, so a mistake is just bad positioning not a turnover, also speed is a bigger factor as you have a chance to run a bit and pick a lane before you meet the defenders.
cajones
It takes bigger cajones to do PR than KR. On PR’s a lot of times the ball arrives when the guys trying to rip your head off arrives. Got to know when to hold em and when to fold em. On KR’s they could still be 25-30 yds away when you get the ball. I really respect guys who punt returns for that reason.
I bet KW could do both but as a starter its one or the other and KW is good at PR’s because he has the cajones and mentality for it.
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Ccant wait to see my boy returning punts! I went to high school wit him and trust me this guy is blazzzzing fast and hes so agile/elusive theres no way he doesnt take 5 punts for TDs this season.
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