Ravens Receivers Against Jets Corners: Thinking About Matchups
by John B on Sep 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
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PrintIt is obvious to say the Jets should be very thankful Darrelle Revis is back. It is particularly true for the opener, though. Antonio Cromartie against Anquan Boldin was something of a scary matchup. Boldin has an extremely physical style of play, and he does a lot of damage after the catch by breaking tackles. Cromartie has a lot of physical ability, but he shies away from physical play. I think Boldin would have been a tougher matchup for him than Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall the next two weeks. Moss and Marshall are much better receivers, but those matchups generally would have been more contests of athleticism, where Cromartie could fare better. This isn't to say those guys lack physicality, but it is not as central to their games as it is for Boldin.
Revis handles every kind of receiver well. He's very good playing a physical style. He's also a very sure tackler. He does not give up many yards after the catch. He should handle Boldin. There might be some question as to whether he is fully in football shape and ready to exchange contact with the Baltimore receiver, but there is every reason to expect the Jets to have him ready to go. He hasn't been sitting on his couch eating potato chips the last month. They have had a few practices to work him back in.
Antonio Cromartie will line up against Derrick Mason, a favorable matchup for the Jets on paper. Mason has lost much of his speed and athleticism. He put up solid numbers last year for Baltimore, but he was the only competent receiver on the roster, forcing Joe Flacco to force feed the ball to him.
The real question now is what the Jets do when the Ravens go to three receiver sets. There are many unknowns. Baltimore last year went three wide on less than one out of every three snaps. Only two teams did so less. There is talk they will lean more on the passing game this year. How much more will they, though, against the best pass defense in the league.It is also unknown how much of a role T.J. Houshmandzadeh will play in the offense. Houshmandzadeh was signed less than a week ago. The Ravens say they will work him into the offense quickly. He sits behind Mason on their depth chart. A very precise route runner, the slot seems like a logical place for him to work.
If this is the case, I'd like to see the Jets put Cromartie on him and leave Kyle Wilson outside on Mason. Wilson is more used to playing outside, and a guy who runs routes like Houshmandzadeh is a tough matchup for a guy in his first game. Cromartie's athleticism could help eliminate some of the advantage T.J. gains by his precision and open space in the slot. Wilson could play the more limited guy in a more comfortable role.
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Their passing game really isn’t that scary when you think about it. They really don’t have a deep threat that can clear out certain areas of the field. I agree that sticking Revis on Boldin and Cro on Mason is the best bet. Im not expecting Houz to be a big part of their game-plan this week; he just hasn’t been their long enough. We should be able to lock them down no prob.
So basically we man up and blitz the house like always. So long as our safeties tackle, we should be fine. Hopefully Pool is healthy enough to play. This is the perfect game to see what he brings to the table. He can play down-hill and bring the wood. But even if he doesn’t, this is a good game for Smith as well.
I agree. I’m not sure how well their receivers really compliment each other. There’s no deep threat. In theory, that was supposed to be Stallworth, but it was crazy to view him as a sure thing anyway as many did. He’s been away from the game for a year. Nobody can say how that will affect him. He was coming off a 17 catch year in Cleveland two years ago anyway.
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I agree with John on TJ
I saw the proof in the Saints Vikings game. If a QB is not on the same page his WR they end up at a disadvantage and sound coverage ends up winning out. Flacco needs time with TJ to be dangerous. Wilson can handle this stiuation easily.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually wait.
I just read you post again. Mabye Im not agree with you John. Sorry for the confusion.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not expecting Houz to be a big part of their game-plan this week; he just hasn’t been their long enough.
The thing about TJ is that he really has an advantage here in this game. He’s likely to be in the slot. At 6’ 2" he has four inches on Wilson, and the experience level comparison would be a joke. Its a rough player for Wilson to cover I think.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Lowery
Dwight Lowery is our 4th corner, IMO he matches up well with both Mason and Boldin (eek)…
Not that I would play him, but I feel comfortable with Lowery in a Rotation with Revis, to give him a little rest for the fourth quarter, or to rotate with Cro especially on first down for improved run support…
or Mason.
Mason runs routes and shakes guys almost as well as anybody in the league. He’s like Cotchery, but better. He has sick hands and really not much footspeed but he is as intelligent as they come. I think he would use the aggressiveness of Lowery or Wilson against them. I would rather see one of those guys (Wilson) on Boldin because Boldin doesn’t run great routes, he just is very physical and hard to cover, but I think Wilson would be up for that.
Also remember that Derek Mason is the safety blanket for Flacco. He has never played a real NFL game with Boldin or Housh, so he is probably going to look to Mason (or Heap or Rice) when things break down. Because of that, if we have any 3 WR sets to defend on Monday with Housh, Boldin and Mason all on the field, I honestly might matchup Wilson on Boldin, Cromartie on Housh and Revis on Mason. That way we take away Flacco’s go to guy, Cromartie’s size is best trying to cover the bigger Housh, and Wilson is stuck on Boldin, but we can roll coverage that way if we have to.
I honestly might matchup Wilson on Boldin, Cromartie on Housh and Revis on Mason.
Agree with you on Mason being dangerous and special, but you are going to play Cromartie in the slot on a player who isn’t going to be thrown the ball much, play Willson on a punishing, huge receiver? It doesn’t make much sense.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson is small, but physical.
Man Cromartie on Housh, erased. Man up Revis on Mason, erased. Have Wilson take the slant away from Boldin with a safety shading to that side.
I know you can take away Boldin with Revis, and take away Housh with Cromartie, and roll coverage to the other side also, but I am just curious to see how Wilson could hold his own against Boldin. I think he is physical for a smallish guy and will show that he isn’t afraid to press cover the big boys. I would like to see different looks on defense all night in general though, maybe have Revis take Mason out of the game for a drive, than have Cromartie play on Mason and try to bait a pick, just confuse the young QB in the loud stadium.
Wilson is small, but physical.
Being “physical” in a mental sense, like, “likes to mix it up” does not make up for 30 lbs at the line, especially when you are rookie. In fact it probably works to your disadvantage as Boldin is used to the overplay.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But trying to
cover maybe the smartest receiver in the league is probably also a mismatch. It’s down to choosing physical or mental mismatch, i’ll chose physical, because worst case is he gives up a 15 yard pass.
and because I would like to find out what Kyle is made of
see how he fares against a big beast. Plus at least he is covering Boldin before he and Flacco have ever really gotten to work together.
Ah.
and because I would like to find out what Kyle is made of
First game of the year against a potentially great defense and a souped up offense and “dookiehead” wants to find out what his third CB is “made of”. Great motivation for a game plan.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, taking
one post out of context and using it to make your point doesn’t usually work so well.
T.J. He offers problems in terms of height and experience but he has been with the team the shortest, will likely only be in the slot, and will be a third or fourth option in the passing game. It seems obvious.
I am interested though to see if Revis takes Mason at certain points in the game.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps
Until Flacco’s rhythm with Boldin is better established, it remains possible that Mason will be the favorite choice on 3rd and 7+. Cromartie vs. Boldin doesn’t sound good to me but if Rex thinks he knows what Flacco is going to do, and he thinks he can get the pressure there fast enough, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him take that risk.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I can agree with this in principle. I think Rex has said that one of the things that he hopes to do with Revis now that Cro is there is to move him around. Not sure they are going to be doing this week one, but teams in the past always knew where Revis was going to be, and that will be changing some this year.
On third and 7 I’m not sure what I would do. I suppose a lot of it is judgment about how good Revis and Cromartie are looking on the field, and also how much trouble Bolden is causing, if at all.
But if one is really worried about Mason the natural thing to do isn’t to put Revis over there, its just to roll the safety over, and let Revis stay with his man.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If that is true,
then why wasn’t Revis guarding Lee Evans, Kevin Walter, Coles, etc while we rolled coverage to Johnson, T.O., Ocho, Johnson?
T.J. is not getting the ball thrown to him.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Why,
because you say he won’t?
You really seem to proclaim a lot of your opinions as fact.
And then using those opinions, along with out of context half sentences you copied from my posts to make your point.
He’s not getting ball thrown to him because he has spent almost no time with the team and is no longer a top receiver in the league.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
Flacco has too many other suitable options to bother too much with a WR he’s not on the same page with. His TE could be a real problem.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing about TJ is that he really has an advantage here in this game. He’s likely to be in the slot. At 6’ 2" he has four inches on Wilson, and the experience level comparison would be a joke. Its a rough player for Wilson to cover I think.
T.J. is not getting the ball thrown to him.
Both pf these came from you in the last hour. Which is it, is he a non factor or does he have a big advantage.
You act like I am contradicting myself. Just because T.J. has an advantage over Wilson doesn’t mean the other receivers don’t have bigger ones. It only means that perhaps in the red zone, or on a 3rd conversion, this is an advantage to which the Ravens can turn. It isn’t like to put Cromartie on T. J. to stop this, he’s been on the team for 5 minutes. But to think that Wilson will simply shut down T.J., of this I’m not sure.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
woah woah
Ravens fan here. couple issues with what you just said.
1) You don’t put Wilson on Boldin in his first game. You just don’t do that. I don’t care how physical he is or how good he is, he’s a rookie, it’s his first game ever, and Boldin isn’t the type of dude you do that with. You put Revis on Boldin, it’s a no-brainer. Also…
Have Wilson take the slant away from Boldin with a safety shading to that side.
You say that as if Boldin only runs slants. He was the fastest receiver in NFL history to catch 500 passes, so he runs a diverse route tree. That said, he won’t do much on Monday with Revis on him.
just confuse the young QB in the loud stadium.
Do you think Flacco is more likely to get confused by Ryan, the D-Coordinator he practiced against as a rookie? When Flacco faces Pittsburgh twice a year (and Cincy’s D isn’t too shabby either)? Or do you think a 2nd year Sanchez, who threw 20 INTs last year and has clearly shown a propensity to throw questionable passes, is more likely to get confused by a similarly complex Baltimore defense? I think you know which side I’m leaning on…
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Do you think Flacco is more likely to get confused by Ryan, the D-Coordinator he practiced against as a rookie? When Flacco faces Pittsburgh twice a year (and Cincy’s D isn’t too shabby either)? Or do you think a 2nd year Sanchez, who threw 20 INTs last year and has clearly shown a propensity to throw questionable passes, is more likely to get confused by a similarly complex Baltimore defense?
This is a good question. Never mind Flacco practicing against Ryan two years ago (with very different personnel), both QBs have practiced against their own great defenses for more than a year, with Flacco having the advantage. Is the Raven’s pressure going to be that much different in principle than the Jet’s D practice pressure. I’m not sure. If indeed Flacco has the edge here, and he does, the problem is that the Ravens’ d-backfield is decimated, and the one thing that backfields of skill do is capitalize on QB mistakes. If indeed Sanchez is more confused than Flacco, the Ravens simply don’t have the same number of playmakers to take advantage.
So what it comes down to is two pressure pass Ds trying to confuse young QBs, with one QB having an advantage in poise, and the other QB having the advantage of throwing against a very weak backfield where mistakes are not as problematic.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah Lowery can't cover Mason either
I didn’t realize Orange mentioned
Mason in his post as well for players for Lowery to cover
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I dont think there defence is scary either
I think there starting def had a total of 20 sacks last year. Now sacks are not the end all, but Lewis i belive only had three and there leader in sacks, Mgata only had 6.
I am optimistic in getting a W
Jim Clancy
Bogus (If Housh plays he can have a impact)
The Ravens use the routre tree numbering system. It is the Coryell route tree sytem that allows a smart experience player to be up and running in 2/3 days. The bang 8 or smash 7 route is the same in every system in the NFL.
Houshmandzadeh is a veteran NFL WR. He should play. Kyle Wilson, a rookie locking down a former Pro-Bowl savy WR will be real easy. Laughable!
Still it takes time for a reciever and QB to develop chemistry and get on the same page, and for a receiver to learn tendencies of the rest of the offense, route running is the least of it, its very doubtful he will have any impact, or be up to speed yet.
You saw it in the Saints vikings game.
Farve was notably off with WR’s just beacuse he missed camp. It is very possible that Flacco is not on the same page with TJ yet. Wilson is very good at technical coverage and has proven it against starting WR’s. He can cover TJ.
by colinyoung on Sep 11, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea and the rookie thing is a tad bit overblown...
certainly a vet has some advantage over a rook, but its small, actual talent is going to be the deciding factor.
"Ready to go", but perhaps not "ready to finish"
This is a very good point about Boldin’s style of play:
It is obvious to say the Jets should be very thankful Darrelle Revis is back. It is particularly true for the opener, though. Antonio Cromartie against Anquan Boldin was something of a scary matchup. Boldin has an extremely physical style of play, and he does a lot of damage after the catch by breaking tackles. Cromartie has a lot of physical ability, but he shies away from physical play.
But.it isn’t carried over in conclusion to when it comes to Revis (who you say handles all styles well).
There might be some question as to whether he is fully in football shape and ready to exchange contact with the Baltimore receiver, but there is every reason to expect the Jets to have him ready to go.
It is true that he handles all styles well, when he is in “football” shape. The one difference between football shape and regular very good shape is tackling, your body being ready to absorb the pounding and pounding. Other than just an expressed belief that the Jets will merely transform Revis into “ready to go”, the Boldin match up actually might be the worse kind for Revis in week one. Not because he shies from contact like Cromartie, but the exact opposite, he likes the contact. Boldin is going to beat him up all day long, from pass routes to run plays, and the “football shape” question might loom large.
Billick was interviewed in 1050 and was asked if he would “go after” Revis, or is Revis just too good. He said a very interesting thing. His first response was basically “he’s too good”, but then he added, “but maybe late in the game”.
As great as Revis is, and as great as the Jets might be at getting him “ready to go” a real test might be the 4th quarter after Revis has been banged around for two hours by a guy who has 20 lbs on him and is extremely physical. “Football shape” is not a myth, its a fact of the body like calluses, and it isn’t something that you do a rush job in getting. The 4th quarter might be a dangerous time for Revis. One thing is certain, he sure is going to be sore.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
This is a great post kv
I agree. But if we think about this honestly. Do we really expect this coaching staff to play Revis 100% of the snaps? I really don’t think so. “Football shape” is a term most people have no respect for. It’s understandable when you think about it because most people don’t play football. I can speak from experience on a much smaller scale. Im listed on a semi-pro roster to play guard if the team needs me last second untill I have ankle surgery. Im in shape, but in not in football shape and hitting guys in a game setting feels like im running into oak tree over and over again. 4th quarter comes around and Im shot. Revis is a pro so I expect better from him of course but in this case BB is exactly right. I would hit him hard late in the game and see if he gives. The Jets need to preserve him. They can’t play him the whole game. Especially if Mark keeps giving up the ball like he did last year.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But if we think about this honestly. Do we really expect this coaching staff to play Revis 100% of the snaps? I really don’t think so.
I can answer this on two levels.
1. If he doesn’t play the majority of the snaps you run into the Cromartie vs. Boldin problem which could be big one. I see a lot of YAC for first down and more there.
but even more…
2. If you remember last year Rex showed in fact TOO MUCH trust in his defense. He believed in their ability to stop the ball in a big spot almost like he believed in magic. He promised not to do this this year, over-estimate his defense in play calling and game management. We’ll see if he’ll do as he says. But what I can foresee is that Rex is going to overestimate Revis’s greatness. He is just going to be: Hell, he’s the best player in the universe, let’s just put him out there! That is his style, and actually he has admitted that he is going to be prone to doing this (in his Revis press conference he hinted strongly). Its just Ryan football.
I can speak from experience on a much smaller scale. Im listed on a semi-pro roster to play guard if the team needs me last second untill I have ankle surgery. Im in shape, but in not in football shape and hitting guys in a game setting feels like im running into oak tree over and over again. 4th quarter comes around and Im shot. Revis is a pro so I expect better from him of course but in this case BB is exactly right. I would hit him hard late in the game and see if he gives. The Jets need to preserve him.
I’m glad you know this first hand from semi-pro. I know it second hand because my wife is a muay thai fighter. When you are hitting and being hit with full force there is just an adjustment period your body goes through. It literally “toughens” over time, the vibration doesn’t go through you anymore.
But I’m not sure about your idea of “preserving” him. You can’t “preserve” a guy who isn’t in football shape. Its not like cardio where you just don’t tire him out. Its more like, you hope that he gets used to it by halftime and mentally toughens his way to a good performance. I don’t know that playing him 50% of the snaps on D in anyway saves him for the 4th. I could be wrong about this, I just think that you have to play him and let him toughen through the game, and hope that he has enough resolve to not have Boldin break a big tackle in the last 5 minutes.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is though, is that Revis doesn’t have to bang on every play. And Boldin can only exact punishment if he catches the rock. Boldin just doesn’t have the quickness to separate from Revis to make catches on a consistent basis where he could thereby drag him around and punish him. Revis will probably just take away the slant and just run along side Boldin on everything else. I consider Boldn erased, even against a rusty Revis.
Plus, the safeties will be playing downhill and trying to lay sticks on Boldin and TJ on all the inside stuff; LBs as well.
The corners will be manned up and the LBs and Safeties will basically be playing kill the guy (loved that game).
The thing is though, is that Revis doesn’t have to bang on every play. And Boldin can only exact punishment if he catches the rock.
On every run play Boldin can hit him. And will.
And if Revis plays press coverage, which he will, every time he tries to tie Boldin up at the line to break timing, this takes something out of you.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re way over playing the contact on a corner. They rarely bang into players, unless its a ball carrier coming straight at them. They rarely are involved in direct collisions.
On every run play Boldin can hit him. And will.
That NEVER happens. Receivers obstruct when they block corners, they hall out a deliver a smack. They can’t, they’ll whiff.
And press coverage isn’t all that different; its all arms. Besides Revis would be the one dictating the contact in those situations. Its hardly punishment.
I’d be more concerned about him matched up on a receiver like Holmes who has deep speed plus precision route running ability. Boldin plods and plows and can’t separate from Revis.
Boldin can only punish Revis if he catches the ball. I just don’t see that being a successful game-plan.
You’re way over playing the contact on a corner. They rarely bang into players, unless its a ball carrier coming straight at them
You are right. Boldin achieved his reputation as a, or perhaps THE dominate physical receiver in the league because corners never come into contact with receivers. I wonder how Boldin got so good.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Please. Boldin made a living off Fitz clearing out weak NFC West zone defenses for him. Not getting off of press man coverage by the best in the game.
this.
Boldin is a good possession receiver that played with a hall of fame QB, a future hall of fame WR across from him, and a weak conference. He is a good player, but I agree with Crack. Take the slant away, he isn’t going to beat you deep, and Flacco isn’t going to be sitting around in the pocket. That’s why Mason scares me most out of the 3 WR’s. He is Flacco’s go to guy who he has chemistry with. Wilson on Mason would worry me, I think Wilson can handle Boldin though, to an extent. Take the slant away, run alongside him on anything else. Trust your athleticism.
He is a good player, but I agree with Crack. Take the slant away, he isn’t going to beat you deep,
I wonder if anyone has tried to take the slant away from Boldin before?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he has ever done that without playing a single snap of contact football.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Boldin has ever faced
a defense like this Jets defense before, or a cornerback like Revis before?
Yeah, the Jets are going CRUSH him.
Put the Rookie in him I say!
Maybe bring Lowry off the bench to snuff the dud out.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, back to sarcasm,
maybe we should just throw some CFL guys on him?
Senseless talk needs to be translated.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bouldin has faced this secondary before with devastating results
Aside from obviously being a very violent and physical sport, football is extremely mental also. Correct me if I am wrong, but the last time Bouldin faced Gang Greens secondary, didn’t Smith fracture his face? You think that is not going to affect Bouldin’s play a little? I know he is the epitome of toughness, but he is still human, and I would not knock him if he got alligator arms a couple of times.
And just as well it could motivate him to punish
this D as much as he can, motivated for revenge.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, all of this football shape talk is valid but...
what kind of football shape was Bouldin in after missing a couple of games due to that injury and what kind of season did he end ip having? I think Revis will be just fine!
Please. Boldin made a living off Fitz clearing out weak NFC West zone defenses for him.
Not at all. Boldin’s first year stats (2003), before Fitzgerald were 1377 yards, 13.6, 8 TDs and then after an injury affected year, with Fitzgerald in (2005) 1402 yards 13.7 and 7 TDs. Boldin was a beast before Fitzgerald came there. He has always been a monster of a receiver.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.
He’s not a monster.
Or,
Well, if he is a monster Revis eats monsters.
How about just; Revis is magic.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We also aren't mentioning
that Flacco and Boldin have never played meaningful football together. This is their first real game together, and trust me, when the heat is on, which it will be, Flacco will look to 3 guys. Derek Mason, Todd Heap, and Ray Rice.
Flacco will look to 3 guys. Derek Mason, Todd Heap, and Ray Rice.
And that is why you would put Cromartie, your prime cover addition, on a slot player who will seldom be thrown the ball like T.J.?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the point. He could be better than him all game long until the last 5 minutes.
Let me ask you this, is there a receiver in the league that is more likely to give a player not in “football shape” more problems late in the game than Boldin? Maybe one or two, but I would much rather him be playing Moss in the 4th, than Boldin.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, probably dozens.
I would be far more worried about Revis having to cover a little speedy guy who can fly past him.Revis on Boldin doesn’t scare me at all.
I just don’t understand football shape. Revis can run plenty fast.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t understand football
Apparently not.
See, isn’t it just silly for me to only copy and paste half of your post, take it out of context, and use it as part of my argument?
by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not silly at all. It was a typo. I’m glad for you to point out typos if that makes you happy. Continue on. I’m a very poor typist.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And actually I posed this question to Crackback from whom I expected a reasonable answer. I don’t think I would ever ask that kind of question of you.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch.
My feelings are seriously hurt.
You mean serious answers like sarcastic CFL jokes?
is that why Boldin had more than 1300 yards receiving as a rookie the year before Fitz was drafted?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I mentioned this. People pretend that Boldin was invented by Fitzgerald. Not at all the case.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just delusional
Jet fans apparently see everything great about there secondary and very liitle in the Ravens WR corps. Just no respect. Kinda’ like there coach Rex Ryan.
Never mind that Boldin has been to multiple Pro Bowls, is the leading WR in Cardinals football history, has the highest receiving yard games in Cardinals history (with and without Fitzgerald) and has the respect of a ton of NFL players. Not of that matters to Jet fans. Wow!!!!
How many receptions do you think Boldin is going to have against Revis?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Let me call Cam Cameron
And I’ll get back to you. Probably zero? I mean the greatest player in NFL history (Revis) is in the Jet secondary.
I am going to save some thoughts for the preview section of Jets/Ravens on The Baltimore Beatdown Blog.
I mean the greatest player in NFL history (Revis) is in the Jet secondary.
Well, the funny thing about your attempt at exaggerated sarcasm is that you are not really that far off, he is merely a player coming off arguably the greatest single season by a corner, not the greatest player in NFL history.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
C'mon man...
Like the rest of the league, get off ours.
Revis is nice and you know it. He’s a beast and he’ll do just as well this year. No one said he’s the greatest player in NFL history, but he’s looking like one of the best corners. Give him credit, where credit is due. And if he does it again this year (matter of fact, if he shuts down Boldin), then YOU better post a FanPost saying you’re sorry for your unwarranted sarcasm.
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
You know what
I have never done a fan post on any blog. I don’t have the ego. In fact, I’m not sure I know enough about the game. But I’ll tell you this…….I will do something on Gang Green Nation either way.
Please, about Boldin. The leading receiver in Cardinals history? Who’s on that list anyway? Hillarous. Boldin is overrated. And if the glass man can make it to the 4th quarter that will be a feat in and of itself. He will get his face cracked again before he even catches a whiff of a hundred yard day. Revis has punked much better receivers who had much better QBs throwing to them. Yeah, i’d bet on Revis even on 1 weeks practice.
…and has the respect of a ton of NFL players.
LOL. You sound like a whiny chick. Get outa here with that mess.
Crack, you sound like you’ve been smoking again. Give Boldin some respect.
Do you know who is the number one Active yds per game receiver in the league? (79.2)
Boldin.
Do you know who is the number one Career yds/game receiver in the history of the league?
Boldin.
The guy is not chopped liver.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
He played his whole career in the NFL Minor Leagues, with a HOF QB and HOF counterpart.
If Revis sticks Boldin, I’m predicting 4 catches 28 yards, and some sort of leg injury at some point in the game (just because thats what Boldin do) and he’ll be out for the next 3 weeks.
You are losing credibility. Minor leagues?
He is one of 31 players ever to average 100 yds a game in a season.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
NFC West? Cmon kv. Revis has owned much finer WRs than Boldin. He’s not even a top ten wide out. He’s good don’t get me wrong. But its crazy to think that he’s the guy to outclass Revis.
Its going to take a better breed of QB with a quicker and crisper route runner to burn Revis.
I have never said that he would outclass Revis. In fact I’m not sure who here even suggested that. Even the Raven fans were rather subdued as to this match up. The response on Boldin was to the idea that Boldin was simply a creation of Fitzgerald, a kind of pretend dominate receiver. He has the best career per game numbers in the history of the league, I don’t care if he played against Pee-wee players, it is something. And the idea that no player’s accomplishments in the NFC West count for anything is ridiculous.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 11, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
His career year when he averaged over a 100 yds a game was in 2005. That was the year that the woeful Seattle Seahawks of the minor league NFC West went to the super bowl. And he had a combination of Warner and McGown (6 games) at QB.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 11, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean the vaunted NFC West of 2005 where the 49ers were an awesome 4-12? The Cardinals an amazing 5-11? and the Rams an astounding 6-10?
Is that the NFC West of 2005 that you’re referring to?
I said I wasn't but I am...
CB, Boldin is one of the best active WRs in the league. End of story. That 2005 season that you are talking about… well I heard that Boldin actually caught passes against about… 10 other teams in the league. Point is, it doesn’t matter who he played… Name all the other WRs that put up numbers like this dude. Don’t sleep on the man, and don’t underrate him either. Revis is a beast, but when Beast meets Beast, Someone usually gets the best of somebody. Its a toss up in favor of Revis and a major reason for that is Flacco isn’t Peyton…
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
Although I think we can all agree...
he is not better than Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Roddy White, or Ochocinco (last two maybe arguably) and how did they do against Revis last year.
And we can all agree that Revis will not be playing at the LEVEL he was playing at last year, in his first game (having missed all of preseason).
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I agree with that...
I think he will be in fine shape, he’s a veteran and a professional, and this whole football shape thing is being blown way out of proportion, he’s a CB not a RB, or a LB, at the very most its his tackling that may not be 100%, everything else should be fine. He may even have more energy not having been worn down by the doldrums of 4 weeks of camp.
you guys know plus 100000000
just looks stupid. +1 gets the point across.
And we can all agree that Revis will not be playing at the LEVEL he was playing at last year, in his first game (having missed all of preseason).
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Judge...
We can’t say that… well… except for Andre Johnson.. everyone else isn’t a possession WR like Boldin. Boldin does the dirty work, going over the middle, getting first downs, etc… THIS is what he does. He keeps the chains moving and does it better than any WR in the league at the moment. I’ll definitely put him up there with the receivers you mentioned and put him higher than Roddy White and Ochocinco. He has a different game than the rest… comparing a Home Run WR to a Move The Chains WR is a difficult task.
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
No they are not just simple possession receivers they are actually mostly complete receivers. White, Wayne, and Johnson all had more receptions last year, Moss had one less. Smith, and Ocho, are more simple speed guys, although Smith needs a decent QB. You can put Boldin higher but honestly the only one I would give you is maybe Ocho, and thats cause his play has dropped off the last two years, and there are tons more I’d put ahead of him as well.
Here’s a list that was done during the offseason, that I think was pretty good:
http://www.nfltouchdown.com/nfl-top-10-wide-receivers/
I think like 8 on is very debatable and Boldin would fit in that group.
Oy Ve!
I said that BOLDIN is more of a possession receiver… with the exception of Andre Johnson being a complete beast all around… everyone else is more of a Home Run receiver. And yes I put Boldin higher than Ocho and Smith because Smith will hit the craziest slumps over a season, Ocho doesn’t live up to full expectations. Boldin isn’t your home run receiver, he gets 7 yards, then 5 yards, and then will hit you with a 15-20 yard gain. He’s a Move the Chains WR and everyone that you mentioned is a Home Run WR.
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.
Im sorry but how does this explain how he’ll magically be open against the best cover corner in the game.
Boldin won’t be up against NFC West garbage defenses where he can pad his stats and he won’t have a HOF QB chuckin the rock into his bread basket after another HOF receiver clears out an open path for him. Boldin doesn’t exist. He’s just a rumor… a shadow. There’s no such thing as Anquan “Eric Smith cracked my face” Boldin.
Right but, and what I meant was I wouldn't call..
Wayne or White home run receivers, they are complete receivers. Moss is certainly more of a home run guy, but he’s also shown capability as a possession. I agree with you on Smith, but its also because his QB. To simply label them all as homerun guys is inaccurate, they are complete receivers despite their tendencies. We’re not talking Jackon, Driver, or Harvin here, they are just simple HR guys.
To make it simple Revis shut down Johnson, and Wayne, both better possession guys than Boldin. Revis shut down White, Moss, and Ocho, arguably as good possession receivers as Boldin. All of them might be better downfield target than Boldin, but that only makes them harder to cover.
If you wan’t better simple possession receiver comparisons, Revis did a great job on Brandon Marshall in 2008. But I actually would say Boldin is a more well rounded receiver than Marshall, and less of a possession guy in comparison.
Lol, wana see what kind of slumps Steve Smith would hit playing
in a spread offense with Kurt Warner, across the field from Larry Fitzgerald with Steve Breaston in the slot? Wanna see what kind of slumps Boldin would have had playing with Jake Delhomme and Dwayne Jarret in Carolina?
crack boldin is a good receiver
why is kurt warner offering to pay out of his pocket to keep him in AZ? (random and doesn’t prove anything)
watching him in a game I don’t understand why would would think otherwise.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Hey crackback
Boldin is overrated. And if the glass man can make it to the 4th quarter that will be a feat in and of itself. He will get his face cracked again before he even catches a whiff of a hundred yard day. Revis has punked much better receivers who had much better QBs
You’re a lead blogger here at Gang Green Nation. You bring the bolg down just a little with some of your comments. I want to continue to respect you but you’re making that very difficult. Put the Tequila down and move away from the key board very slowly.
Boldin just doesn’t have the quickness to separate from Revis to make catches on a consistent basis where he could thereby drag him around and punish him.
Boldin really don’t have the quickness to separate from any of the better corners, that isn’t his game. His game is body positioning and route running. He gets the angle, shields with strength, and catches the ball. If the timing is right with Flacco its hard to stop.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
*doesn’t
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Revis isn’t a dainty corner like most others though. He’ll redirect and disrupt the timing and make the window very tight. He will snuff Boldin easily.
He’ll redirect and disrupt the timing and make the window very tight.
How is he going to redirect him without touching him?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No. He’s going to push him off his route with his arms and not bang into him. Which is why saying that his game shape will suffer due to lack of contact makes little sense.
No. He’s going to push him off his route with his arms and not bang into him.
And what is going to happen when Boldin runs right through his “arms”?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In football shape.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Boldin is nearly the size of a linebacker.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you don’t understand what “football shape” means.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m thinking you are making too little of it because you love Revis.
Bellick seemed to think that going after Revis late in the game was a possibility, depending on how he looked.
All I have been saying is that this is a factor in match ups. Its a factor that Billick brought up. I don’t care how many monsters Revis eats, or how much you don’t care for Boldin. Its a factor to watch for.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying he won’t get the catches to make it a factor. colinyoung made the point earlier about playing guard in semi-pro. I saw you raised his example somewhere around here.
But colinyoung plays guard. He’s banging on every single play. For a receiver to exact punishment, cumulative punishment at that, he’ll have to make a ton of catches. I just don’t see Boldin doing that to Revis.
You make a point Crack
But I wasnt trying to say my situations interchangable with Revis’. It’s not by far. Im just trying to say that theres a possibility that certain parts of Revis’ game, parts that make him great, will not be 100%. And that it might be problematic. I know you dont feel that way. I understand why. Revis talents bring about a feeling of superhuman ability. Could we see some slip ups? Not likely, but as usual im just exploring the possibility to make for good conversation.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Im just trying to say that theres a possibility that certain parts of Revis’ game, parts that make him great, will not be 100%.
Completely this. Revis at 90% or even 80% in the 4th is still pretty damn good, but in close games differences of 10% can make a difference in winning and losing.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ravens fan
if it comes down to Revis, you win. If it comes down to Sanchez, we win. You’ll be able to hold us under 21 points, but I’m not sure you’ll be able to score 10 points yourself.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
if it comes down to Revis, you win. If it comes down to Sanchez, we win.
I kind of agree with this. I certainly don’t want the game hanging on Sanchez.
If you want to frame it that way in terms of QBs its more like this.
Flacco (better than Sanchez) vs. Revis, Cro, Wilson
Sanchez (worse than Flacco) vs. a very suspect secondary
with both teams able to bring the pressure.
You have to put the QBs on one side, and the defensive backfields on the other. It isn’t just Revis who is better than any Ravens corner, Cromartie likely is (in this defense), and maybe even Wilson.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
10 points?
Maybe he means by the end of the first quarter :).
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. So you say it won’t be a factor I and I say, “in the fourth quarter keep your eye on the Boldin/Revis matchup” look for a change in body language. Look for how well Revis is wrapping up.
Now, I know when you are watching that game on Monday you’ll be paying attention to it, now that I’ve brought it up.
Maybe its nothing, its just my little, tiny, wee contribution to the conversation.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think whenever somebody doesn't agree with you,
you accuse them of not understanding football shape, or football analysis, or college player scouting. I watched Ty Law get signed a couple day before a game and play every snap on Randy Moss. He wasn’t a 25 year old stud of a human being.
you accuse them of not understanding football shape, or football analysis, or college player scouting. I watched Ty Law get signed a couple day before a game and play every snap on Randy Moss.
Well we had a nice post here somewhere from someone who plays semi-pro ball who said the point about “football shape” is something that fans (I guess like you) miss.
That fact that you bring up defending Randy Moss, notoriously the least physical player in the league, as an example of how little football shape matters, I think pretty much shows you don’t know what football shape is or how it can affect the game.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course,
I don’t agree with you so I must not know what I am talking about. I’m just some fool who wants to put CFL players all over our defense. Randy Moss must be really easy to cover. Sorry.
I've heard the Ty Law case before.
But his game is all about grab ass. Jearsey pulling and challenging the ball, not the WR. Revis’ game is phyisicality. Alot of his best games came from ear-holing guys on run plays, jamming, and a superior leaping ability. All of these thing are kept sharp by playing the game. You have to expect Revis to be rusty in these areas. When your rusty in some areas you get winded. Revis might not be ready to play the whole game. It’s simple.
by colinyoung on Sep 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Again completely.
There are small aspect of timing and physical endurance that cannot be approximated.
Revis deserved his “aura” but he has to build it back up again in year two, piece by piece. He simply is not going to be in top form in his first game back, and to imagine that he is is wrong.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is
Boldin is a much more mentally tougher player than TO, Randy Moss, Ochocinco and other guy’s who are ‘better’. Physically stronger. Again, the down playing of a players strength is just not sound analysis.
I have seen Revis bully tops WR’s in the game. With everthing on the line, something to prove and a National audiance watching this game, Revis is going to punk out Boldin the way he has others. Get real.
The run game is where some of the starch is going to be taken out of Revis!
The run game is where some of the starch is going to be taken out of Revis!
I guess the appropriate response would be for a Jets fan to say where the starch was going to be taken out of the Ravens’ secondary, but of course it would have to have some starch in it for any starch to be taken out.
Just sayin’.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a good post
And it always a mistake to assume that a player that has missed as much time as Revis has is going to play at a high level immediately. Boldin is a much better player than he gs being given for here. If Revis is “attacked properly” his lack of football conditioning will be a factor. It is easy to accomplish this by running certains routes.
I think Boldin can much more success against Revis than many others do. Boldin can wear on DB’s. If Revis is on Boldin the 1st 3 qts., big plays are a very real possibilty come the 4th.
Hate to agree with a Ravens fan, but when he agrees with you there really isn’t much choice.
That being said, I only mention it as a possibility and I’d be perfectly happy to see Boldin stranded on Revis island in the 4th quater.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hate to say I like a respone from a Jets fan
The pic gets a rec. Your football IQ is high given you’re a Jets fan.
The thing that remains an advantage for the Jets is the lack of speed of the Raven WRs imo.
Like you said no deep threat to clear out defenders for the slower elite WRs.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
I think that with Cro and Revis (and Wilson) the whole threat of speed thing is going to be diminished this year. All three guys can fly. The biggest problems are going to be problems of communication and timing with 2/3s of the first CBs new to the defense. In this I guess the Ravens and the Jets break somewhat even.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, Mason is really good
he isn’t flashy, but I think he might be able to confuse a rookie with his intelligence. I honestly wouldn’t mind trying out Wilson on Boldin, I think Wilson wouldn’t back down from Boldins physical style of play and would go right at him. I don’t worry about Boldin beating Wilson deep. If Wilson can jam Boldin a little bit Flacco will have to throw earlier and maybe we can disrupt their timing. Basically I think Wilson can do better against Boldins physicality than against the knowledge and route running of Mason. Just my opinion. I would probably move all 3 cornerbacks around to all 3 main wide receivers.
I honestly wouldn’t mind trying out Wilson on Boldin, I think Wilson wouldn’t back down from Boldins physical style of play and would go right at him.
Kyle Wilson: 5’ 10", 190 lbs, years spent pro: 0 years
A. Boldin: 6’ 1", 223 lbs, years spent pro: 7 years
Wilson would be destroyed by Boldin who would drag him around the field like a rag doll.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see than
Wilson is supposed to be a jam cover man to man guy. Whatever player he gets put on is going to be a big challenge, so I’d let him try to go man to man with Boldin over letting him try to outwit Mason. We stuck Revis on all the studs as a rookie, why not Wilson. I’m not saying let’s have Wilson guard Andre Johnson when the Texans roll around, but with a 3 man WR group like this with no clear number one, I like that matchup. Put Revis on Mason, Cromartie on Housh, and then Wilson on Boldin, with safety help.
Wilson is supposed to be a jam cover man to man guy.
He is supposed to jam a guy that is almost impossible jam due to size, a guy who out weighs him by 30 lbs and has 7 years of experience on him and is likely a prime QB target.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's find out
at worst, he gets his ass beaten for two 15 yard gains, and we put Revis back on him.
I completely disagree Boldin is a prime QB target.
Flacco has chemistry with Mason, Heap and Rice. When shit breaks down, that’s where the ball will go
I completely disagree Boldin is a prime QB target.
He’s a “prime” target when compared to T.J. who you want to waste Cromartie on for some bizarre reason.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Cromartie is more physically suited to
cover Housh then Boldin? You keep saying Housh is not going to have a big impact, but all I said was to have Cromartie cover him when he is on the field. When he is on the field, he is a threat. He may not play many snaps, but you have to take him seriously when he is on the field. It’s not like I said to sit Cromartie on the bench all day until Housh has a play.
You really love to take one sentence out of a whole post and just harp and harp on it huh? If Houshmandzadeh is on the field, he is a threat, and yes, when Housh is on the field, I would like to see Cromartie on him.
I have also said at a few different spots on this page that I think these guys should switch it up all day, but you don’t quote that in your post. If you did that how could you continuously harp on the fact that I want to have Cromartie on Housh?
When T.J. is on the field he STILL is not going to be a top 3 target, there is no reason to move Cromartie over to a 4th option, in particular because you want to see what “Wilson is made of”. It is just these kinds of suggestions that make it very hard to take what you say seriously.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
All this talk about recievers, Todd Heap may have a big game (i cant trust eric smith/lowery covering him—and leonhard isn’t rlly a cover guy). Not to mention, we were last place in YAC on screenplays like 10yds/play, so they’ll probably employ that with Ray Rice which can be scary..
I agree, Todd Heap is a big concern.
If our pass defense has a weakness, it’s probably linebacker coverage.
mason manhandled cromartie last year...
…and you guys manhandled him in the playoffs. i don’t see why you’re high on this guy. a lot of talent wasted by immaturity.
Difference:
Cro played zone all last yr.. This yr he’s playing straight man.
+1
and still for some reason anti cro people think it has nothing to do with why cro could not work well for the chargers which does not make a lot of sense to me.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Actually, I imagine that Revis and Cromartie are going to push each other, both in games and in practice, each inspiring better play from the other. It might lead Cro to jump too many routes looking to shine, but given the defense here I would be very surprised if Cromartie didn’t do pretty well.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
by kv on Sep 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year's schedule
The Jets defense was ranked number one last year against a cream puff schedule and some horrible teams. Their last two games the teams just rolled over and played dead. On the other hand the Ravens played the Steelers twice, Bengals twice, Vikings, Greenbay, Patriots, Colts, Chargers and Broncos when they were 6-0. Now that’s a tough schedule with a beat up secondary and one valid receiver and still made the playoffs with a second year quarterback.
and then, AFTER the game.....
well, this whole series of comments was entertaining to read.
I hope many of the commenters will return, to reevaluate their views & predictions (and, ahem, ‘clarify’ them… cough) from a post-game perspective.
Here’s a link to the box score to help you remember the details:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/gameflash/2010/09/13/3948_teamstats.html
Maybe if you’re lucky, you might get another chance in January.
Caw.
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