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The more I thought about the Baltimore defence, the clearer it became. We absolutely need Sanchez to win this game. Last year we could run the ball effectively and recover from some of Sanchez's mistakes, but Monday night I don't believe that we are going to be able to do that. We will only win this game if Sanchez plays a smart controlled game that takes advantage of the Baltimore weakness, that being it's secondary.

I know a lot of fans from Baltimore refuse to accept that their team, notorious for it's ferocious defence, has a weakness. A chink in the armour if you will, but unfortunately for them, I can't see how they can say that the secondary is not a weakness in 2010, especially with the injury and absence of Ed Reed & Domonique Foxworth. Fabian Washington who looks to be the corner starting opposite Chris Carr Monday is just returning from a serious ACL knee injury.

Lardarius Webb is expected to be the Baltimore nickel back this season, but this mornings Baltimore Sun commented that he had an uncertain "but not too distant" return. So with Foxworth gone, Washington returning from a serious knee problem, Chris Carr a decent cornerback but hardly elite and Webb's status up in the air, it's not hard to identify the weakness.

Baltimore recently traded for Seattle Seahawks cornerback Josh Wilson, a player who has recorded 24 starts in 40 games including 6 interceptions, 2 sacks and 3 touchdowns. This is an upgrade for Baltimore without a doubt. However he is new into the system, week 1 is a week we probably don't see his full potential.

Unfortunately for us, their weakness needs to be exploited by our own weakness. I brought this up with a good Baltimore Ravens buddy of mine, and he admitted the secondary gave him reason to be concerned. However he expressed his confidence in the pass rush being effective enough to limit our offences time to exploit the secondary.

We all know that you can not judge a pass rush on sacks alone, but Baltimore registered just 32 last season. Good for joint 18th in the league with our very own Jets, the Giants, Bills and Titans. I fully admit that our pass rush is one area of this defence that needs to get better, luckily we have the corners to manage.

The addition of Cory Redding to play with Trevor Pryce who recorded 6.5 sacks last season could work. However this is a complete unknown. Which Terrell Suggs are Baltimore getting this year, the 4.5 sack 2009 one or the 8.0 sack 2008 one. So while I think the Baltimore pass rush will be improved, I'm not buying that it can completely compensate for the secondary situation.

Sanchez unfortunately has the annoying habit of lock-on syndrome. If he continues to telegraph passes, it doesn't matter if it's Sanders or Justin Miller out there, the CB will have success. However if Sanchez can shake off a rusty pre-season and pick up where he left off in 2009, the Jets can have success through the air.

We will need to be able to pass the ball on Monday night to walk away with the "W". Running against a front that includes Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata is not going to be easy. Bring Terrence "mount" Cody into the frame and that's a lot of beef (correction, Cody will not be playing Monday night. Thanks Crack). While I think we can have mild success with Greene and LT, the passing game will win or lose us this game in my opinion. We have the receiving weapons, but like John pointed out yesterday.....the receivers are only as good as the guy throwing them the rock.

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Nice piece,

just one note, it’s Josh Wilson, not Williams. He’s a pretty solid player too, got to be careful of him he likes to go for the ball.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Cheers Dookie, changed it. Not sure why I put Williams, I had Josh Wilson’s profile up when writing.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sometimes just happens

when you are writing something up, think Wilson, actually type out Williams. Happens to me all the time. No worries.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Suggs is such a good player with or without the sacks

because of his ability to play the run dominantly, and he is also one of the best past defending linebackers in the league. Suggs basically does everything. He’s a stud, and the guy you have to really know where he is before every snap, without Reed, imo.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

True, but was focusing just on his pass rushing side for this piece and not his overall game.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt,

was just saying Suggs is a lot more than just a pure pass rusher. I agree, I would prefer to see him in coverage this Monday, because that means one less big strong man trying to take out Nacho (Nacho’s aren’t even real Mexican!!).

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

ISO Suggs

Someone mentioned this in another blog, but maybe we put keller in motion or in slot to ISO Suggs pass rushing.

by TheBeard17 on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

I agree with this… Sanchez needs to step up.

And you’re right he locks on like he has tunnel vision… If you look carefully, even his good passes he locks on (TD to Keller agst skins).

What also worries me is Shonn Greene with 108 carries last yr got hurt twice — ankle and rib. There’s no guarantee he’ll stay healthy when adding on another 150+ carries. If he does go down.. then we got LT who is also injury prone.

This game could be a microcosm of our season———resting on Sanchez’s shoulders.

by TheBeard17 on Sep 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it really fair to call LT injury prone?

Out of a possible 144 games played since he entered the league, he has played in 141 of them. He has been a workhorse running back that has missed 3 games in 9 years. I know people remember him missing the playoff game, but that doesn’t make him prone to injury, just unlucky. Again, 3 games in 9 years. Not injury prone.

Plus, we have Chauncey Washington, who I feel can step in and get 15-20 carries if one of these two gets hurt. McKnight can’t do that, so Chauncey would step in here and maybe carry the bulk. McKnight can do some little things like catching and returning which Chauncey can’t, which is why he is on the practice squad and JM made the team. I feel a lot more comfortable about the running game knowing Chauncey is around for depth.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

While injury is a concern as far as the season goes, its not really a concern for game 1. Its the first game. I worry more about the cumulative effect of collisions, which isn’t an issue for the first game.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't consider either injury prone...

LT is certainly not. Greene’s injuries are not chronic, I also think the ankle was more precautionary as he was third string and wouldn’t have played much then anyway. He was fine in college and had 300+ carries his senior year, so I wouldn’t be worried, although his running style does not lend to a long career.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are right… LT being injury prone is an exaggeration (i keep thinking about his ankle, and how big of a deal that was)….. But with Greene out lets say.. I still won’t be crazy confident with just LT and Chauncey back there.

by TheBeard17 on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think TJ proved last year anyone could run behind this line...

while I love Greene, I think losing LT would be worse, his receiving ability is really going to add a new dimension to this offense, and be a big reason for his further development.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, LT is going to be invaluable to Sanchez this season. I just hope he doesn’t lock onto him like he did in the first pre-season game.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

True on the last point, he took a battering in college and came through, so I’m hopeful that the switch to the bulk of the carries won’t effect him much this year. The NFL is a different kettle of fish all together, but Greene is a tough SOB. I’m really not worried about injuries to the backs in 2010.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about the terminator?

If Green had to sit, he seems capable of running over a few birds!

by Crawdady on Sep 10, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI -- Mt Cody is sitting this one out after knee surgery.

Not that Ngata and Gregg aren’t formidable in their own right, but its sure better than having those two plus Cody.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

They’ve not had the best of luck with their defensive draft picks have they, Cody and Sergio.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

A baptism by fire, but imagine Ducasse v Ngata……that would give me nightmares.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldnt it be ngata vs woody?

by JetsFan718 on Sep 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ngata plays RDE with Gregg in the middle, so right for them is going up against left for us.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mount Cody is corrected. Hadn’t seen his status for Monday.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post David...

the absolute key to the game, its like you were in my head.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Appreciate it Judge, although admitting this key to the game made me nervous when looking at Sanchez’s off-season performance. I’m hopeful with the full play book at his disposal he’ll show his real improvements.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

well take my statements with a grain of salt, because there are certainly no certainties in sports. Turnovers and special teams, is just as much a key. Maybe I should put can absolutely be the key to us winning the game.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are so many keys to this game because the teams are quite evenly matched, Sanchez’s performance ranks right at the top though IMO.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s going to be really tested with his blitz recognition this weekend….I’m more comfortable with T-Rich in on passing downs and Connor in running downs, just letting him go out there and smack some people in the mouth.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That may become too predictable though. I was thinking the same thing with Ducasse and Slausson though.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Ducasse is ready for any game time right now to be perfectly honest.

Yer, I didn’t mean exclusively, but for the majority.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably right...

I just feel its the one edge he has over Slausson is his pass protection, the problem is he blows assignments to much so he’s probably not ready.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yer, especially when he doesn’t realize what he is doing wrong like we saw when he almost got Sanchez killed. He has a lot to learn, but that was expected.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I was B'more

Why wouldn’t i overload blitz (heavy emphasis on whatever gap slauson is guarding) the right side anyway

by TheBeard17 on Sep 10, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that would become predictable...

and Sanchez loves to roll right anyway so your better off stacking the right side if your coming after him.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see him rolling out a bit more this year, when he did that against Cincy and against San Diego….he found Keller for the TD on both occasions.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

but he needs to do it in a less predictable fashion. He is at his absolute best on the roll, but again it can become too predictable, I thought I remember a team keying on that toward the end of the season and coming up with a couple sacks, forget what game though.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm can’t really remember, Atlanta maybe. It does need to be called at the right time from the sidelines. Which comes to what someone else said about the important of play calling by Schottey.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

My notes:

Although passing the ball is important in this game, with sanchez facing a pretty shakey secondary, The run will be the clincher. Against passing teams the ravens showed superior. perfect example was last years wild card weekend game against the Patriots. with pressure coming coming down the middle brady had little to no space to make a differance with the pass. This happened because there was no run and the ravens were able to double man the outsides. We will win if we do this:
1. unleash the ground game early: even with all the crazy talk about a Jets passing game emerging if we stick to our identity we will win big yards.
2. Bring out 81:Keller proved to be more then a secret weapon during the post season catching a touchdown in all 3 games. Id look to try and get the ball to the special TE and solidify this recieving corp. Keller is not only a redzone threat but a 3rd down target that could gain the yards.
3.Let the D play its Game: Even with rice in the back field the Jets are a flex but we will break your ass type team. I dont see stopping the run as crucial, but more so forcing the ravens to be one diminsional. this starts with getting to the QB. Screens will happen but with Cromartie and wilson well have little to worry of if we can force plays on there side of the ball.

by JETS4CHAMPIONS on Sep 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course setting up the run game is going to be vital to this game, it’s vital to nearly every game. However there is only so much running we can do, the passing game is going to have to perform. They know we want to run the football and they have the players in place to stuff that, if we can’t keep the chains moving on 3rd down through the air then we’ll find ourselves behind and the run game will have to be thrown out by default of being behind.

You always have to establish the run to make a passing game tick, but when you do that….the passing game has to tick otherwise the D has an easy job of it. So even with that run game I still think that unless the passing offence turns up, we’re not winning this game.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree Dave, the path to victory lies through the air/passing game

This is one of the top 3 defensive fronts in the NFL hands down, very hard to control the trenches against them.

They play a very similar brand of football to the one we play, so it’ll be a tough matchup for sure.

But they’re banged up in the secondary, and if Sanchez can manage the game, I think we can pull it out.

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by Matt Birch on Sep 10, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

The Ravens aren't as formidable against the run as we might have thought.

Just did a run through of their games last season and it seems that teams with a decent rushing attack were able to run the ball effectively.

Cincy (1) — 34 attempts for 142 yards (Benson 27-120)
Vikes — 31 – 167 (Peterson 22-143 [6.5 pc])
Cincy (2) — 39 146 (Benson 34 – 117)
Indy (?) -
25 – 76 (Addai 19 74)
Steelers (1) -
38 – 153 (Mendenhall 24 95)
Packers -
27 – 94
Bears — 30 – 122

I’m guessing its not out of the question for us to be able to run the ball on them. Ngata lines up away from our strength on the o-line, and we know that Mangold can handle Gregg. Running to the right behind Woody and Moore could pay big dividends.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Wierd, don’t know why that stuff got crossed out.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it comes to what PowerBar says below, the QB’s set a lot of that up. At the end of the season they still were the 5th best run D in the league allowing only 93 yards per game. Not saying we can’t run on them at all but the passing game needs to set up the run just as much as the run needs to set up the pass.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya. But they padded their stats against some bad teams. Its not like we’re waltzing into the game with a mediocre running attack. We’re the best at it. Not that i don’t agree with you that Sanchez has to play well. But I was under the impression that running the ball would be difficult, but the Cincy games in particular have me second guessing that assumption.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you Crack, but will just point out that in the Cinci game that they lose 17-7 and Benson went for 117 yards, Ngata was injured.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t play at all, forgot to add that.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

We never seem to do well when we try to set up the pass first and the run. When we do the reverse our pass game seems to flourish. Maybe sanchez relaxes into a game when the focus is on the run first and he can get a better feel of the games. He gets so pumped and excited, after the first 6-9 snaps he seems to relax.

by george JETson on Sep 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s interesting. I think we could run it okay against their aging front.

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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

To add some homer Ravens perspective,

Ngata missed one Bengals game and was hurt in the other. Regardless, they manhandled our front 4.

As for Indy, Pitt and GB, those aren’t amazing games (Pitt’s rushing numbers are inflated by Dixon, and while I wish Sanchez would try to run against us, I don’t think that’ll happen). If you want to run the ball 30+ times to gain 100 yds, go right ahead.

The Bears game was a blowout and over quickly. Not sure why the Bears even ran the ball 30 times.

And while I haven’t seen him play very much, I don’t think Shonn Greene is anywhere near the RB that Peterson is. I’m under the impression that Greene is a speed back, while Peterson ran through tackles in that game.

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by organizedchaos52 on Sep 11, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just one thing Shonn Greene is a between the tackles bruiser, he’s definitely not a speed back. He has some burst but he is a punisher with LT the fines.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 11, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Shonn Greene is anywhere near the RB that Peterson is. I’m under the impression that Greene is a speed back, while Peterson ran through tackles in that game.

Certainly not Peterson, but I would say tougher through the tackles, most similar back in the NFL I would say would be Michael Turner.

by Judgegavel on Sep 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

the backs to have the past 4 big games against our D (Jacobs, Benson x2, Peterson) were all bruising backs with pretty good offensive lines. I’m a little more worried about stopping Greene now.

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by organizedchaos52 on Sep 11, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of those teams have a capable QB that you have to plan around. Not exactly where Sanchez is at right now…

by PowerBar on Sep 10, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

True, but they were also the teams that seemd to me more committed running the ball as well (except for Indy).

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would say 1/2 and 1/2

I think the Pack and Bears look to pass too, and the Vikes can depending on there mood.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the fact that people know these teams can do both works in their favour. Do teams respect the Jets passing game enough? I’m not so sure.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly not, but that should work in Sanchez’ favor as well, and exactly why we need to.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree. But all the teams that seemed to have an ability to run the ball did so successfully. And since the strength of our attack is away from Ngata anyway, its not a forgone conclusion that it’ll be tough for us. Btw, Cincy didn’t exactly have a juggernaught passing attack last year and Benson went off twice (albeit Ngata didn’t play in one of those games).

All i’m getting at is, if i was a Raven fan i wouldn’t exactly be confident about stopping our running attack.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think that Baltimore is one of the better teams at in game transitions, they can change their game plan to counter what’s working. I absolutely understand what you are saying regarding the teams running the ball well that had the players to run the ball, but I just think that teams already respected their passing attacks enough that they couldn’t focus on stopping the run. I’m not sure that applies to us yet.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly not confident, how could they be we were the best rushing team in the league, but

it has to be the defenses absolute focus, presumably leaving and already weak secondary undermanned if they stuff the box for the run. Hence if Sanchez can take advantage of that, it could be our best game plan. Thats not to say we shouldn’t run, or can’t have success on the ground.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just on the running away from Ngata, we have to remember the change they made at LDE this year bringing in Cory Redding in place of Dwan Edwards. Although Reddings reputation is as an inside pass rusher, he has some good speed for a 295 guy, and a non stop motor. I think he will improve them by sealing the edge more in the run game. Will have to watch out for that one.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read on jetsblog that the Ravens were actually the most vulnerbale to runs between the guards. Now thats totally unexpected.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I think Redding will be an important guy for them this year, although he has the ability to stretch it out and seal the edge, he does his best work inside. I also think that Baltimore’s search for a steady MLB alongside Ray Ray is a big reason for that.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they have really found the answer since Bart left, McClain in the guy they are hoping to fill the role this year I think.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No,

still haven’t found another MLB. McClain, Gooden and Ellerbe are all supposed to see time there. Mostly because none of them have really stood out enough to take the job.

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by organizedchaos52 on Sep 11, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we can get a few turnovers to make his job that much easier.

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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Giving the offence good field position could be crucial.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or a few pick-6’s. That would be welcome.

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by Ryan Alfieri on Sep 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol wouldn’t say no to that at all.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Sanchez and the passing game is the key in this game , what has not been focused on enough for me is Schotty’s playcalling. Not only did Sanchez improve when Rex reeled him in but the game planning improved whe Rex started popping into the Offensive meetings. Shotty got a little pissed but down the stretch he seemed to follow the KISS rule, (keep it simple stupid). During the palyoffs he played to our strengths and threw in just enough creativeness. Too many time he goes off on the genuis mode and puts Sanchez in bad positions, (there was no reason to keep airing it out with Sanchez in his first cold weather game against the Bills after he threw his 3rd int and the rushing game avg 9 ypc).

by george JETson on Sep 10, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Too many time he goes off on the genuis mode and puts Sanchez in bad positions,

Agree. And I think it stresses Sanchez. He wants to be on top of everything, understand everything, but Schotty keeps opening the envelope. I’m so worried that with the new toys (even without Holmes) Schotty is the mad scientist again.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is what we talked about here a while back, now Sanchez has so many weapons will Schottey be pressured or just tempted to put the cart in front of the horse and give Sanchez too many throws to make.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though it was just game 4 of the preseason, I found it interesting Sanchez called the best drives of the night. 1) It shows he really does know the plays, schemes, how the D sets up and the personnel on the field and 2) maybe some of his deer and head light moments are Schotty calling plays Sanchez isn’t comfortable with. Any thoughts on that?

by george JETson on Sep 10, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe some of his deer and head light moments are Schotty calling plays Sanchez isn’t comfortable with. Any thoughts on that?

I’m going to offer this just as an intuition on my part, but one that has been growing. I think that Sanchez is a slow learning curve kind of guy, and the reason for that is that he doesn’t want to be told “do x” and “do y”, he needs to understand everything about a play and see everything that is going on. At times he looks shaky because he just hasn’t digested enough to make himself comfortable. A fast learning curve guy can just memorize all the keys and do the rudimentarily correct thing. The nice thing about slow learning curve type guys is that they have much more intellectual ambition than the other fellows, usually, the need to see how ALL the parts work before it fits together. If they ever get to the place of comfort they can really make big differences. This has just been my read on him.

If there is a big difference between Schotty calls and Sanchez calls it might be that Sanchez calls plays that are already in his comfort zone, plays that he know comprehensively the most about. Ideally he should know all the plays to the same excellent degree, but he isn’t to that point. When calling his own plays, he is able to see the plays together, as one continuous piece.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the things Rex is good at is knowing what his players can do and putting them in spots to do it. That is something Schotty has problems with and what I meant. Why call something that your Qb isn’t comfortable with. He should know what Sanchez is comfortable with or not. Calling a simpler play that can be properly executed is better than calling a complicated play that your Qb can’t pull off yet, especially with this team and this QB.

by george JETson on Sep 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope our defense can prevent the need for much offense.

Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.

by bm01bath on Sep 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we win this game… then turnaround and beat the Pats on short rest… everyone’s going to jump on this bandwagon. No one’s going to think Rex was all talk. Media (ESPN) is pretty much going to crown us champs. Funny thing is, it’ll only be week 2.

by TheBeard17 on Sep 10, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s the usual they love you after a win and hate you after a loss stuff.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will only win this game if Sanchez plays….

I think if we are hoping that in anyway Sanchez wins this game (either through play making or great consistency) the Jets aren’t going to win. The guy has looked overloaded in preseason on almost all series, for whatever reason, and the amp of the first game is just going to bring more. I honestly hope that they revert to last years pound, pound, pound philosophy for the first 4 games. The guy is still very young in ways more than his age, and the idea that he has to be the difference maker can have detrimental effect. The guy needs to play more red light green light (though not to that extreme). Short passing game, air it out three times.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d love nothing more than for us to be able to pound pound pound, but during this game I think it’s going to come down to a situation where we need to go through the air to win the game. Be it a 2 minute drill at the end or some other situation. You don’t want to have to rely on your QB in this situation, him being a 2nd year guy who’s looked shaky. However sooner or later he’s going to have to win us a game, I personally think it’s going to be this one. To be honest, I have no idea if he’ll be up to it or not.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

However sooner or later he’s going to have to win us a game,

Well, if its sooner or later I’m not sure why this means “the first game of the season”. If you merely mean that the game is going to be really close and there has to be some expected plus, I completely agree. But why this has to come from Sanchez, and not something like:

1. LT or Green is going to have to break off a few long runs, and not just do the clouds of dust thing.
2. The defense has to win the turnover battle at least by 2.
3. Special teams has to give us an average starting position of +32.

All these things can make the difference in a tight game, just as likely as Sanchez performing well in a 2 minute drive. I see your point about the Ravens’ corners, but this right now is weakness vs. weakness, not weakness vs. strength.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I did put that it was weakness v weakness in the actual article, so I never said that it was a weakness v a strength. The reason why I chose this instead of the examples you citied was because Baltimore are more suited to dealing with the examples you put than they are dealing with Sanchez.

We’ve seen Sanchez make a big difference in a game so we know he can do it.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you basically are saying the only way the Jets win this game is that one of their weaknesses beats one of the Ravens’ weaknesses?

I mean I can see what you mean, but there is no reason in my mind why one of their strengths might have to beat one of their strengths (let’s say our pass defense vs. their pass offense).

I guess it comes down to this. When you or anyone else says: Sanchez has to step it up for this game. This is just the kind of talk that gets me nervous. And the reason why it gets me nervous is because it seems to get Sanchez nervous, especially in the first game of the season when he has sucked the whole preseason. Him feeling that he has a lot to prove in one game is to my ear a recipe for disaster.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m not telling Sanchez this, and I’d be surprised if he were reading this. However I think it always comes down to which team can exploit the other teams weaknesses, that’s where you get the edge for victory. Nothing is every definitive in the NFL, but it’s my opinion that because the teams are so evenly matched it will come down to who can exploit the others teams weakness the most. So it seems logical to isolate how both teams weaknesses are in direct competition with the Secondary against the Jets passing attack.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it’s my opinion that because the teams are so evenly matched it will come down to who can exploit the others teams weakness the most.

Yes. This truism usually only works when you apply your strength to an opponents weakness, its called looking for match ups. It usually doesn’t involve a game plan where you seek to take advantage of the opponents weakness through your weakness. I mean, this can happen, but its not the wisest egg-basket. Much better, and I guess we disagree, is to try to impose your will upon the opponent through your strength.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some Issues with Raven's Run D in Preseason
For a significant portion of the first quarter, the Ravens run defense must have felt as if it were stuck in a time warp with the needle squarely on Nov. 16, 2008.
That’s when the New York Giants ran for 207 yards — the third-most in Ravens history — and running back Ahmad Bradshaw led the way with 96 yards and Brandon Jacobs compiled 73 yards.
That scenario eerily played out on the Giants’ second possession of Saturday night’s preseason contest against the Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium….

…Paired with the 142 rushing yards the Carolina Panthers had recorded in the first preseason game, the Ravens run defense could be in need of some fine-tuning. But middle linebacker Ray Lewis did not seem troubled by the defense’s performance in the preseason, pointing out that the first defense had still not surrendered a touchdown.
“Honestly, I think we’re right where we need to be,” he said Tuesday. “And that is, a few mistakes here and there, correct them and then just get ready, bottom line. When you turn on our defensive film, one thing that you do like is [that] we haven’t given up a touchdown all preseason. That’s a bottom line fact, no matter what big plays or what happened. The bottom line is you bend, but don’t break.”


here.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t put much emphasis on pre-season games IMO

They are returning nearly the entire 2009 D that ranked 5th, with an upgrade at LDE.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not saying its conclusive, but I also am not agreeing with the idea that the Ravens cannot be run on. The Ravens came into the Giants game expecting to be run on and were run on. What does this mean? I don’t know, other than they were run on when they didn’t want to be.

It is at least a topic of conversation in Raven-land.

Additionally, if the team is experiencing weakness in pass defense, this actually works as a hidden strain on the run defense. This works best when you threaten to exploit it with passes, but in general there is a thinning out as linebackers become sensitive to being able to cover more space than usual.

Also, I’m not sure what you mean by saying that they are returning the entire 2009 D, when Ed Reed isn’t playing (PUP). Ed Reed could still be called their best player.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

When talking about run defence Ed Reed is not their best player, I’m talking specifics, you’re talking general. It just adds to the reason why this is a good opportunity for Sanchez.

Again I didn’t say that Baltimore could not be run on, so not sure if you just missed it but I’ll put it here to make sure:

We will need to be able to pass the ball on Monday night to walk away with the “W”. Running against a front that includes Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata is not going to be easy. Bring Terrence “mount” Cody into the frame and that’s a lot of beef (correction, Cody will not be playing Monday night. Thanks Crack). While I think we can have mild success with Greene and LT

So not sure who you are disagreeing with when you say you can’t agree that the Ravens can not be run on because nobody has said that.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point was it is easier to pas on the Ravens than it is to run on them.

Pre-season stats are not worth a great deal, and Baltimore have been in the top 5 in run defence for the past 4-5 years. When it’s time to go they know how to stuff the run.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

When talking about run defence Ed Reed is not their best player, I’m talking specifics, you’re talking general.

Hmm. Well I was responding to your comment which was extremely general, it referred to the ENTIRE D.:

They are returning nearly the entire 2009 D that ranked 5th, with an upgrade at LDE.

They are NOT returning the entire 2009 D, they are actually missing the best FS in Football. Do you honestly think that missing Ed Reed on D does not affect their run defense???

“While I think we can have mild success with Greene and LT”…So not sure who you are disagreeing with when you say you can’t agree that the Ravens can not be run on because nobody has said that.

I guess you are missing the context of my point here. When I say that you are assuming that the Ravens d cannot be run on, I am saying that you are assuming that our strength vs. their strength (run vs. run d) cannot be the source plus that wins the game. This does not mean “mild success”, it means, “gee, the Jets were able to run on the Ravens last night, that was unexpected”, as opposed to, “gee Sanchez really stepped up last night, that was unexpected”.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are disagreeing just to disagree here, when in fact we’re really not disagreeing.

Ed Reed missed 1/4 of the season last year and they still managed to rank 5th in the league. Missing 4 of 16 games is big. I never said it wouldn’t effect their run D, but will it effect it so that it is no longer a strength? no.

When you quoted my quote you missed out a pretty important word, I said they are returning nearly their entire D, when you quoted it back you left that word out….that’s a pretty important word that when left out ruins the entire context…just a friendly watch out for that, because people don’t like it.

You see now you are completely changing it, you can’t assume and say that I said the Ravens D can not be run on when in fact I didn’t say it and then say I’m missing the context. That just doesn’t work. I’m saying that because we are strong in the run game we will have mild success, that’s respecting the other teams strength as well.

Again I don’t really think you’re disagreeing because your creating your own context to disagree with…..which is quite puzzling.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

nearly their entire D, when you quoted it back you left that word out….that’s a pretty important word that when left out ruins the entire context…

Its a pretty important word when the “nearly” means “lost the best FS in football”.

We just disagree. Cheers.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it’s important when you mis quote someone intentionally to promote your own agenda ;-)

Cheers indeed, job well done.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, and when you forget that one of the best players in the league is not going to be on the field, just bury this fact under the word “nearly”, just to ’promote your own agenda".

I suppose that in 1993-94 the Bulls “nearly” returned their entire World Championship roster off the three-peat as well.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have a read of the article again….I clearly state that Reed is out for the game so how am I forgetting. This is just getting funny now.

I used the nearly because I already said that Reed was out, which makes sense.

You are offering some light entertainment this Friday afternoon though KV, so you can keep going if you like.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I am entertaining you.

You certainly seemed to “forget” when responding to my inclusion of the Ravens worry over their run defense. Your response was essentially: Don’t pay attention to preseason the Ravens is returning NEARLY their entire defense. Ah, well…yes that little thing about Ed Reed, don’t worry about that either, that just means Sanchez is going to be more important than ever.

Now if you actually forgot or merely minimized it to such a degree it was as if you had forgotten doesn’t really matter does it.

But let’s play the semantic game, its always fun. Its not the same D as last year.

Their 16 game starter at CB Foxworth is out.
Their First team all pro FS Reed is out.
Their 10 game starter at CB Washington is really iffy in terms of performance.
Much needed CB Webb is questionable/out.

They are basically missing the best FS in football and their 3 best CBs from last year. How in the world is this “nearly” their entire defense returning?

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t put much emphasis on pre-season games IMO

They are returning nearly the entire 2009 D that ranked 5th, with an upgrade at LDE.

This was your full quote, put in the context of the question it was answering. A team that lost basically half or more of its defensive backfield and has had some trouble with the run in the preseason, isn’t definitively going to stop being a great run defense, especially in this first game (because that is what we are talking about), and why is that? Because they are returning nearly the entire defense. It completely ignores the possibility that losing almost their entire defensive backfield (I can talk like that too), has put a strain on their run defense.

Expecting Sanchez to be the turning point on a high, high pressure pass defense is just hoping for trouble. In my view just pass enough to stress their backfield enough such that the linebackers are spread thin and covering more space, hoping for YAC and run, run run. That is what I say.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

We should go with that old Chad Pennington game plan. Run, run, dink and dunk passes to move the chains and then a couple over the top. Precision and ball protection, field position and tough D.

by george JETson on Sep 10, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won't surprise you

I completely agree. The only small difference from the Chad game plan is that I would take at least three shots down the field shots, either down the side line with BE or with Keller deep up the seam, just to keep things loose and to capitalize on overplay. You don’t even really have to hit them.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should add that one of the greatest problems is with those who OVER-estimating the development of the potential of their players, either in terms of time or basic limitations. What fans often do is see all the pluses of their team realistically, but then they start imagining that if a few of their weaknesses simply turn into pluses (for no apparent reason) then: Hell, we have a really, really good team!

Whether I am correct or not, your post reminded me of just this kind of mentality, and it irks me a bit when I hear it. Everything thus far actually points to Sanchez not making that kind of difference yet. He could, but it feels unlikely. When someone says Sanchez “has to win a game for you sooner or later” (paraphrased), and they think that this should mean that he has to win THIS game, the FIRST of the season this is just wishful thinking to my ear. When someone has to do something sooner or later it means that they cannot be counted upon, and it means just what it says, “sooner or later”. Sooner or later Sanchez has to win a game (or a few games) for the Jets or they will have poor season, but will just come “sooner or later”.

Can the Jets win this game with Sanchez having his usual mixed mediocrity play? Sure they can. Just don’t turn the ball over much, keep in close, run the ball, and try to win field position with defense and special teams. That’s my recipe in any case.

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by kv on Sep 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their corners are tiny. This could be the perfect game to use double TEs and work Keller and Cumberland.

Chris Carr: 5’10" 182
Fabian Washington: 5’11 175
Ladarius Webb: 5’10" 182
 

Go with a single-back set and bunch Keller, Cumberland and Braylon to one side and just beat on those corners all game.

Braylon: 6’3" 214
Keller: 6’2" 250
Cumberland: 6’4" 260

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

If I remember rightly though Carr and Washington have some serious hops, Darrelle Revis style. (no I’m not saying they are as good before someone jumps the gun, just their leaping ability).

Wouldn’t mind seeing them tested though CB. Braylon especially could have a big game if he’s got his head on straight.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what im thinking. Not necessarily attacking them with the deep ball, but just getting it to them quickly and letting them just muscle them for 5+ yards. Even the best case scenario has a difference of 30 lbs.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Washington is giving up 85 lbs to Cumberland. We could just destroy that matchup.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get Cumberlands body between Sanchez and Washington , and he won’t even be able to see the ball. I think this is where the game planning comes into effect, why we can’t always get too caught up in pre-season without the game planning.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. I see what you mean by that my friend. Touche.

by Crackback on Sep 10, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol got to say you called Cumberland straight away crack, and although he’s not done anything in the NFL yet, he seems to be impressing the coaching staff.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just won't get my hope up with the Kid.

Still like a deer in the headlights. If Ray is in his face Monday Night, he’ll start dropping dueces on the field and throwing picks. I really hope he proves me wrong. Also, I find it curious that we only kept three receivers on the roster (Brayon, J-Co and Smith) but I wonder what’s gonna happen there…

Hopefully our run game can penetrate the front 7 or 8 and get to the secondary. lol

by umohan21 on Sep 10, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing at first (about the receivers)

but when you have Woodhead, McKnight, LT, Keller and Cumberland all playing I guess theres enough people to throw too. I think Keller, McKnight, LT, and Woodhead can all play the slot. Not sure about Cumberland yet, but he’s still a big target.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of off topic, but still wanted to add

No one seems to be accounting for the crowd factor in this game. It’s the opening game in our brand new stadium with 80,000 fans making sure they can’t speak on Tuesday. You can’t ignore the effect this will have on Baltimore’s offense.

Anyone remember the New England game last year in a stadium that held about 20,000 fewer people? Outside of Penn State (which sits over 100K) it was the loudest game I’ve ever been to. And it clearly rattled Brady and his offense. I think the same will be true come Monday.

I know this is off topic, but I’ve been wanting to make this point since I haven’t seen anyone else mention it.

by JetGreen on Sep 10, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It will absolutely play a part JetGreen, no doubt, Especially with a relatively inexperienced QB in Flacco, but it can also have a detrimental effect when you have young players yourself. Sanchez especially. With all the hype/noise and excitement surrounding the unveiling of a new stadium.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope its close to the Pats game last year, that was one of the greatest job I’ve ever seen a home crowd do. MAybe Rex needs to start calling the ticket holders again this week, lol.

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a nice little touch if he did do that for sure. Although you know someone like Florio would take that and say it wreaks of desperation and how coaches shouldn’t have to remind their fans to make noise etc etc etc.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

True,

but we can only imagine what Rex’s response to Florio would be.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody is not playing

hmmm. did not know that

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by BL3ACH on Sep 10, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s good news, I hadn’t read that either.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it matter all that much

even if he was playing he can only stay on the field for like 10 plays, I don’t think he’s going to have a long NFL career, let alone a notable one. That is unless he becomes the first player to have a heart attack on the field (although not positive he would be the first).

by Judgegavel on Sep 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Baltimore people were raving about him and his ability to shred his blocks this pre-season, so not sure if it would have mattered a great deal but I think it matters a little bit.

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by David_Wyatt on Sep 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baltimore has had some incredibly fat men

playing the D-Line for them, Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa come to mind. It’s all up to Cody. The talent is there, if he wants to eat his way out of the league then he will. If he commits to staying at the weight the Ravens want him at, he could be a monster.

by dookiehead on Sep 10, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Front 7 scares me

but im excited for us to work on that subpar secondary

by JetKing55 on Sep 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

sanchez

yeah, sanchez needs to set the tone early with some play action, screens, to go with the ground and pound. Ravens probably will stack the box and see how sanchez does. He can burn them but I think they want him to prove it. Im preseason he look like crap, but someone in another post mentioned that during preseason they never really did any play action so maybe they were not showing their hand. Schotty better have a good game plan and take advantage of the hurting ravens D and sanchez better perform under pressure, then we’ll have a good game.

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