What Are Fair Darrelle Revis Contract Parameters?
by John B on Aug 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT
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PrintIt seems like a number of you are inclined to side with either management or Darrelle Revis during the contract impasse. My guess is both need to bend a little to get something done. Ultimately, though, I don't think any of our thoughts are fully fair for one reason. We don't know what the sides are aiming to get.
The only clue came a few months back when news leaked Revis was demanding $20 million per season, which his camp denied in emphatic fashion.
I would like to see the actual offers leaked so the fans can decide which if not both side is being unreasonable.
This is my question. What do you think a fair deal would be? What is the lowest offer you think management could go without being too cheap? What is the highest amount you think Revis could ask before you think he's gone overboard?
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Up to about 12.5 or 13 mil a year
with a good amount guar. but can’t be any higher or that will burn the Jets when dealing with Harris and Mangold imo.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
12 to 13 mil, otherwise go f himself
Revis was almost perfect last year and to assume he was gonna be just as good or better this year is risky. He was arguably one of the best defensive players last year but if he was average this season would he give some money back to the jets? of course not. If another db somehow got bigger contract next season making revis the second highest paid would he complain that he needs more money so he could reclaim the throne as highest paid? The stupid faked injury in mini camp, the whole “give me one more dollar” to be the highest paid, not caring if the team has enough to give mangold and harris….the hell with him. Let him sit out and we can trade him next year at the draft. Would like to have him but we’re good with or without him. If we don’t make it to the superbowl it won’t be because revis sat out the year.
$12M tops.
Assuming that a team leaves around 50% of the cap for the defense (which is above normal because it negates special teams contracts), that means that a team can spend around $62.5M on the defense. Giving Revis nearly 25% of the money of all the defensive money on a single player is absurd.
12M sounds spot on to me
I agree and that seems to be a fair number. That’s a couple million more per year than Samuels’ haul and shows the team is serious about rewarding their talent. Throw Asomugha’s contract out of the discussion because it’s an absurd deal from one of the most incompetent organizations in professional sports.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
$12 million seems to be the early consensus. To be honest, if that’s the mark, I think the team should go higher than Nnamdi’s contract. Is $3.2 million really worth losing your best player to an NFL team?
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I seriously think any team who pays that much for Revis...
…is hurting themselves more than helping.
I would agree in most cases, Rich, but Revis is a unique case. The Jets use him in a way unlike almost any other corner in the league. His ability to match up almost exclusively against and single handedly shut down elite receivers had him impact almost every play on defense.
I really do think his impact is unique.
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how do you know he will play that way again this year?
will he play that way for the next 3 years? the next 5 years? the next 7 years?
the fact is he’s only played that way for 1 year so far. how can any responsible team sign him to a long term contract based on that? asomugha wasn’t even signed under such a limited performance.
revis has a lot to prove yet if he expects to get that kind of contract.
at this point revis has backed himself into a corner. he’s dug himself in so deep that he could never accept less than asomugha money.
his only chance to save face is to accept a bandaid contract with the possibility of revisiting his dream for asomugha money in the future.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
the fact is he’s only played that way for 1 year so far. how can any responsible team sign him to a long term contract based on that?
Not true. He’s played like a number one corner since the second half of his rookie year.
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he hasn’t played like the money he’s asking for more than 1 year.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
That rally doesn’t matter. Whats relevant is that the Jets expect him to repeat and improve upon last years peformance (which was incredible). They built the team around his abilities. What other corner in history had the team scheme around his abilities?
rex can build his defense around the other players now
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
If they made as much of a difference as Revis, he already would have, though.
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so we should all stop watching if revis tears his acl in the first game of the season? season over? The Jets will be fine without him, in d-rex i trust.
No, just like we didn’t stop watching when Jenkins tore his last year.
Can you seriously say this team is not better with Jenkins, though?
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i wouldn't use jenkins to make your point that revis is indispensible or that the
defense won’t succeed without him.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
now revis may not make any difference, so it looks like rex will have to build his defense differently
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
Normally I'd agree...
…but I still don’t think any player is worth 1/4 of the team’s assets on defense. Even if Revis shuts down a receiver (and while he’s lockdown against downfield/cross receivers, he’s shown that he’s susceptible to come back throws and quick passes), or even half of the field, he’s still just one of 11 players on the starting defense- nevermind the depth that’s needed behind him.
(and while he’s lockdown against downfield/cross receivers, he’s shown that he’s susceptible to come back throws and quick passes)
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Really? Who exploited that?
He’s one player that takes out your most dangerous offensive threat and who frees up a safety to blitz or protect against the run. He lets you play with an extra guy.
And he’s the best defensive player in the league.
And he’s only 25.
Reggie Wayne for the one quarter he played in Week 16.
And Wes Welker/Julian Edelman showed how the Jets defense can be taken advantage of.
Revis eliminates the home run, but the Jets defense can be chipped away at. I guess my comment was more directed at the Jets defense as a whole, and not at Revis, but the main plays against Revis I can think of were Wayne’s sideline catches and Moss’s hook route for a TD.
Revis can take away your most dangerous threat, but if your team only has one threat, it’s not going to be a successful team. When the Jets make it to the playoffs and face teams like the Ravens, the Colts or the Patriots (in the AFC alone) with multiple offensive threats, and the Jets have dedicated so much money to Revis that they can’t afford top quality players to surround Revis, what good will having the best cornerback in the league be?
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Welker have in that game? 130?
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Welker had 192 yards.
And in Week 2, when Welker was out injured, rookie Julian Edelman notched 98 yards in his second game at wide receiver. Ever. He was a quarterback in college.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
192, damn..... I hate you for taking him :)
j/k
Seriously though….Revis can’t stop a team, as evidenced by those games.
He can certainly stop a player…. but this is NFL, and Teams have multiple weapons.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
you just picked the 2 greatest QB'S of this generation
of course the others will be exploited
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Really? Bc i recall our D shutting down Brees and Rivers.
And those 2 are the best of ANY generation, IMO
Yeah, you were able to do that because Revis' contract is low...
…and you could surround him by other play makers. I’m saying, what happens will all that money that used to be given to other players is given to Revis, and he’s forced to play next to scraps? No one denies Revis’ talent. But what will happen when the talent around him isn’t there?
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jets are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Because their defense will suffer tremendously if they don’t sign him, but also because their defense might suffer down the road if they DO sign him.
I’d take a defense with Cromartie, Wilson, Harris, Pouha, etc, and two possible first round picks than a defense of Revis and little else.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
^ This.
As far as the division goes. You won’t find a single Dolphins fan that doesn’t want you to pay Revis $15 million or more.
Please, we beg you, pay him.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Sadly you won't be getting your wish
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
I’ll take Revis. Who helped make the defense the best against the pass with Lito opposite him (missed almost half the season).
You build your team around special players, not good players.
Thats the Raiders philosophy.
The Pats have made a dynasty out of signing decent guys, not exceptional guys, but decent guys that fit the “Scheme” of the team. Versatile guys, and they have 3 superbowls to prove it in the last decade.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Obviously not. But he's the QB
Without him the offense flips into the lower half of the league.
Without Revis your defense stays as an upper tier defense.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Matt Cassel would beg to differ.
But the difference is that Revis still has time on his contract. A top 3 quarterback is much more important than having the best corner in the league. Revis isn’t able to walk. He’s only able to sit.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Cassel on your squad now? :)
Actually, I have no clue who your #2 QB is right now.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Hoyer!
And I hope you don’t have to know who he is.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoyer?
Hmmm, I’l need to research it.
Well, You hope we don’t ever face Hoyer, and I’ll hope Pat White never leads my team?
Deal? lol
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Yeah, but what happens when you can't afford those good players?
If you give Revis $15m, that leaves around $45m for other players on defense (and that’s being generous). Say you have around 15 players for defensive depth, taking cheap contracts. That leaves around $35m for your other starting 10 and you have to hope that no one ever gets injured. Say you pay a couple rookie first rounders on defense (Kyle Wilson, etc) and you have a star like Devin Harris you want to resign. That leaves $15m for the other 6 starting players. When you have players like Jenkins commanding nigh $4m on his contract, you’re looking at filling the other 6 roster spots with players like Eric Coleman.
I’d rather have a defense with players who play like they deserve Kris Jenkins money, with reasonable depth, than have a Revis, a couple unproven rookies and then underaverage talent surrounding him.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they'd probably spend a bit more
on Defense. The team is based around opportunistic play on Defense, unlike most regular teams.
How much did the Ravens spend on Defense in 1999-2000, or whatever year it was.
I’d say thats the recipe the Jets are currently looking at. Controlling Defense, and an offense that just doesn’t make mistakes.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Ran through the numbers...
…and the Ravens spent around 53% or so of their cap on defense.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So its reasonable to expect
the Jets to do the same, with the idea of building for the future.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Yeah but that will change now they believe they have a QB they can build around. And if Sanchez turns into the real deal you have to spend money around him. Pass rules
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Which means, what do you surround Revis with on defense...
…if you’re so keen on surrounding Sanchez with talent on offense?
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If he turns into the real deal you have to
no elite QB will stay on a team when that team spends all te money on defense.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
the team is 2-4 years away
from determining how good of a QB Sanchez really is. He may turn into the next Joe Montana, or he may turn into Akili Smith. At this point, who really knows.
Fact of the matter its almost impossible to have a dominant offense, and a dominant defense at the same time.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
The last times the Super Bowl winning team...
…was top 5 in both offense and defense:
’04 Patriots
’99 Rams
’96 Packers
’95 Cowboys
’93 Cowboys
’92 Cowboys
’91 Redskins
So you can see how the league has evolved from a “best overall team” to a “best at what they do” league.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wow that is a crazy stat.
well depends on the team I guess. You need to be able to score and not get run over at the same time. What % of which I am not sure.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
O I misunderstood your post.
yeah well if you give Revis everything he wants you will have that much less for everyone else. Some here believe if Rev holds out and they lose they first couple games then they will give him what he wants. I don’t think so, I think the Jets have a number they will not go over.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
What happens if you win some games?
without Revis?
Then is he a tradable commodity?
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
I love Revis but he is not a deal breaker
for the Jets season imo. Mangold is just as important to this team as Revis. Well if he won’t come off his money demands then yeah they would have no choice but to move him which sucks bad
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I agree...to an extent.
But with the current state of your Defense being so far ahead of your offense and the league, it would make sense to protect that advantage.
Sanchez, albeit a rookie, played better when given the Game Manager role (see Jay Fiedler, Trent Dilfer etc) in the playoffs.
If they plan on improving the WR game long term, then the Defense will ultimately suffer…
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Well...
Devn Harris (PG NBA NJ Nets)may make a decent WR in the NFL but his Nba career would leave one to believe that he can’t take a hit…lol.
But I get your point about David Harris.
Also the new guys. Cromartie, Braylon Edwards are also up for new deals. In this scheme Cromartie could make the Pro Bowl easy. He is actually just as physically gifted if not more physically gifted than Revis. His contract wll be up at season’s End. Braylon can also have a huge year. Mangold is the best center in the League. Point… There are alot of people to pay.
And Revis, a leader on this Team, is setting a horrible example especially when he has 3 years left on his deal that HE signed. How can you be mad at making 1 mil this season when YOU SIGNED the contract in the first place? LOL. That’s what’s funny. It’s like they forced that sum on him. Crying about t not being “fair”. It was “fair” when you happiy signed that deal a few years ago.
This can be a Great team. I Mean GREAT historically. And this dude is screwing it up and causing a MAJOR distraction to his TEAM. He should be n there getting aquainted with Cro and Jason Taylor and Mentoring Wilson. But he is home creating a circus around his Team.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Well, when you'll face both teams in the playoffs for the rest of Revis' contract...
…yeah. And I’m looking down the road too. If you give Revis that monster deal, you won’t be able to get a Cromartie to play across from him. You can’t afford to have a defensive line with Kris Jenkins or a middle linebacker like Devin Harris. Yeah, Revis can lock down a player. He can take out a Randy Moss or a Reggie Wayne or an Andre Johnson. But when the Jets can’t afford anyone else, who’s going to look after Wes Welker, Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, Owen Daniels, yadda yadda? The Jets will be in trouble as a team.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no clue Welker will be the same after that freak injury
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
And you have no clue if Revis won't break a wrist or twist an ACL...
…and the Jets will have already given him $40m guaranteed.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that didn't happen. It happened to Welker
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Yeah.
But the Patriots didn’t dedicate $15m a year to Welker, so they don’t have to worry about if he’ll be the same. They have other players waiting in the wings. Because they can afford depth.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And to answer your question
Cromartie is a good opposite corner, and Wilson we expect to be solid in the slot.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
And when Revis resigns for a monster deal...
…you won’t be able to afford Cromartie.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you make the playoffs....
His value goes up.
As does Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Mangold, and every other player that will need a new deal.
if you go deep into the playoffs, the value goes way up.
How many people will you be able to resign?
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
The Patriots have gone through this time and time again...
…when your team has success the demand for your players and coaches increases, meaning teams will over pay for their services. It doesn’t matter what they’re actually worth.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
which is why you see such an exodus after a Superbowl victory….
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
And this is why teams have a 50%
chance of not making the playoffs after they win a Superbowl.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
If Cromartie has a season as "a good opposite corner"...
…don’t expect the Jets to be able to resign him for cheap.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And that got you beaten by teams with two solid receivers.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and by teams with a strong rushing attack.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Not very well, but they still got a W.
Because your defense was focused on our rushing attack.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Ginns 2 freakish returns
Kept the offense off the field for the 3rd quarter.
When they came on, and needed a TD to take the lead, they drove down the field relatively easily, and scored.
But thats a whole other discussion.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Wait...
…so just because the 2nd receiver is in the slot, that means he’s not a solid receiver? And giving Revis all that money will give you someone who can stop the slot? The Jets’ kryptonite is a quick passing game to beat the blitz and teams will continue to utilize that- and there’s nothing Revis can do to stop that, as long as he’s shadowing the Mosses, Waynes and Johnsons.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Cuz the Saints didn’t really exploit that when we played them down there. Neither did the Chargers.
Well the Chargers are an exception...
…because they always perform exceptionally terribly in the playoffs. And the Saints didn’t need to chip away at the Jets defense because they were already up 17-0 in the 2nd quarter, which is why they were able to run down the clock for the rest of the game. Offensive plans change according to how much the team’s ahead and the score allowed the Saints to worry less about reaching the end zone and more about running the clock and ending the game.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cromartie has been questionable at best
for the last 3 years….
Expecting him to regain his form from 3 years ago is not exactly a guaranteed thing. He’s doing well in camp, but hell, its camp
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Look at what changed in the Chargers defenisve scheme 3 years ago
Since the face been revealed the game got real
3 years is a long time for an NFL player....
scheme or no Scheme, its hard to go from being a top notch guy….then take 3 years and be average, and then regain your form….
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
You’re making blind assertions without a shred of proof. Rex can coach up the D-line, as he’s shown with Pouha and Devito. There’s a million ways to make up for lesser production. You can’t make up for the loss of a special player like Brady/Revis.
What proof?
The Jets weren’t able to beat the Patriots when they had Moss and Welker. They weren’t able to beat the Colts when they had Wayne, Collie and Garcon. They weren’t able to beat the Dolphins with freaking Tedd Ginn. There’s your proof.
They beat the Texans in Week 1. The beat a Welkerless Patriots during Tom Brady’s second game back. Who else did they beat during the regular season? A Titans team that started 0-6. The Raiders. The Panthers, who were quarterbacked by Jake Delhomme. The Bills. The Bucs. Then they won two games against the Bengals, who weren’t playing and the Colts who gave the Jets the game.
The Jets didn’t beat anyone worth writing home about in the regular season. There’s your proof.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They weren't able to beat those teams because of their rookie QB
Not because of their lack of defense. Did their D blow a couple of games? Of course. The only game in which their D got destroyed was the game in Miami.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
31 to the Patriots...
…24 to the Jaguars, 30 and 31 to Miami, 30 to the Colts in the playoffs?
Still, the Jets had an absurdly easy schedule (think: 2008 Dolphins easy) which is why they were able to make the playoffs. Fact remains, the 2009 Jets weren’t able to beat those teams. The defense was all that kept the Jets in most of those games and if you give Revis all that money, the defense falls because the talent surrounding Revis drops.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Revis gets 16.5
then isn’t it fair for Harris to ask for 12? or Mangold to ask for 11.5?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
11 million
with a fair amount of guarantees, and some incentives. He’ll be worth more on the open market, but the Jets also need to pay Harris and Mangold so you can’t give him everything he wants.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
The Jets should not cave into Revis
He signed this contract and if Im not mistaken he held out before he signed it. You cannot let the player dictate what happens or the inmates start to run the asylum. Is he our best player? Sure…on defense. Dont discount the importance of Mangold though. Revis will have to cave because if he doesnt, what can he do?
Problem is with that is that the Jets went to Revis and told him they'll redo his contract.
Revis is being a bit unfair with how much he’s asking, but its understandable what he’s doing
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
I also think Revis would seek a new deal whether or not the Jets approached him first. He outperformed his old contract.
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No he was going to get cut. And the team wouldn’t have to honor their contractual obligations to pay him.
Geez, you keep beating me to the punch lol
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the just pay revis opinion is contrary to team football.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
The Jets don't ''suck'' without him
I don’t think they’ll be able to win in the playoffs, but they’ll still contend. Cromartie, Wilson, Lowery are all solid fill ins.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
dont bring qb's into the conversation
they are far more important
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Cromartie is a better than average corner, and if you believe what you hear in training camp he’s ready to return to the year he had 10 picks.
Lowery and Wilson are decent.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Agreed.
And if teams performed as well as they say they will, the Jets should already have the Lombardi trophy in their cabinet.
by Richard Hill on Aug 9, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wow you think the jets suck without revis? that's too extreme for me.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
i know. the jets don't suck. not only can they have a great regular season
without revis they can go as far as any team in the league.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
The thing is you can do this from both sides all night.
What if he takes a discount with a handshake deal it gets redone in a year and then blows out his knee?
It’s a hypothetical game. Contracts are a risk for both sides.
What I know is Revis is the best player on the team and the best defender in the league. I don’t want to lose him.
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I dont want to lose the rest of the team
No one guy should be bigger than the team. Revis is not going to get his way. They should reward Mangold for acting like a man, make him the top paid lineman. Revis is everything that is wrong with sports.
I understand your perspective, but this line of thinking didn’t make the team better after the Pete Kendall situation three years ago.
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That was a bad situation, the team was wrong
This time Revis is being unflexable, they do seem to be trying. Revis is holding championship hopes hostage, it disgusts me.
Again, we don’t know what those deals entailed, though.
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True, but it must not be offensive offerrs, otherwise the Revis camp would get it out there
Revis wants his Namdi + 50 cents deal, thats it.
absolutely.
if the jets weren’t negotiating in good faith schwartz would be the first one to blast them. (or leak it to someone who would)
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
this is why Woody doesnt see Revis playing for the Jets this year
There is no negotiations, it sounds like take it or leave it from Revis.
He's worth that, IMO.
I’m on record as Revis being worth $1 more than Nnamdi.
Its not about if the Jets think he is better than Namdi
Which one can never know BTW, diff teams, diff defensive components. They arent going to pay him crazy guaranteed money with a lockout on the way. Revis will regret this holdout.
not only that but the conditions affecting asomugha’s contract were completely different than revis situation. in contract terms it’s not necessarily just a matter of who’s the better player.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
I’ve really enjoyed this thread. When I made the post, I wasn’t sure what my answer was. The lively debate/discussion has really got me thinking. I’m with you, Crack.
Great job, everybody.
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Good stuff JB.
You mean i’m actually not a crack-pot? ; )
it's from one crack pot to another.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
you're making revis bigger than the team. that's the way you lose him.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
i don't believe that.
i believe revis can help the jets but i think the jets can be successful without him.
what i actually believe is that the jets have a very good team without revis. on both sides of the ball (something the jets didn’t have last year)
with revis the defense has a chance to be dominant, but so what. the jets can go far even if their defense is not dominant.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
wow
Really suprised you guys want to give Revis almost 17 mil, because it is at the expense of the Jets as a whole. In a cap world you can’t give a CB that much of the pie even if he is the best player at his position.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
which shows how disingenuous he's been all along
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
I hope they dont
Money is the most important thing to Revis, he didnt learn from Leon last year. I would let him rot on his couch for the next few years. He is being very greedy. This is about stroking his ego. 50 cents more than Namdi? Yeah, he cares about winning a title.
he's not being reasonable because he's not taking into consideration that he has 3 years left on his contract
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
He’s also the seventh highest paid member of the secondary this year, though.
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don’t even go there. that’s the most disingenuous argument you could make.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
It’s not an argument. Nor is it disingenuous. It’s a fact.
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The diversity of opinions on GGN
I have to say, I must be doing something right here. In the past, I’ve been told I’m doing management’s bidding. Now I’m told I’m being disingenuous for taking a player’s side.
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Everyone has their opinion
but I would like to see compromise from both parties, not just the Jets. And Revis could of set it up so he got 6 million this year so he is the 7th highest paid player in the secondary because he set it up that way.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
he’s getting less this year coz he already got most of his money. has he really gotten less from the jets than coleman or ihedigbo?
when you fail to mention that revis has been paid over $13M the last 3 years on a $36M rookie contract
that was higher than his draft slot i think it’s a disingenuous argument.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
a lot higher
look at what the 14th pick got this year, its the same money as Revis got basiclly and that was a few years ago. The money is suppost to increase each year. He got so much more money then the players got drafted around him
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Revis is being very inflexible. He should settle for being the second best paid corner in the league, perform this year and negotiate again next year.
They offered an average of 12 million a year?
I heard that some where.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
+1
To me a “fundamental difference of total compensation” (which is what Tanny keeps calling it) is one side will not budge. Those are strong words as far as contract negoations go. If they were close they would sugar coat it a little.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I loved Revis since Day 1, but he's the dumbest smart person on the team.
He’s being completely unreasonable. He has to know that the CBA this year is a major obstacle to overcome in negotiations. If the FO caves and grants him a deal that usurps 10 or 15% of the cap (because everyone knows the cap WILL be back,) what good is it to the team? Pay Harris first, pay Mangold next, but most of all Revis needs to play this year. Let his talking be done on the field. I distinctly remember back when Carolina gave Uncle Sean that deal, Dom Capers said it was on of the stupidest things the organization could have done, allocating a huge chunk of their money to one player.
And don't forget:
Gholston DID actually come forward this year and gave back some of his money due to his poor performances. Gholston is the one who initiated the talks to give the money back as well.
Above all, this organization needs to actually pay its home-grown players
And players that come in and bust their asses, putting up good numbers and making plays. They brought in Brett Favre and look what happened, yet they dropped TJ like a ton of bricks. Can we pay the rest of the Core Four this year?!
I want the core four paid
We dont need the Revis holdout for 50 cents over Namdi crap though. Mangold isnt pulling this crap, Revis is going about this wrong.
TJ was a homegrown player? they paid him well for his services, do they owe him a 401 plan also?
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
I meant he was a player that came in and busted his ass. He came in and had three straight 1000 yard seasons, one of which was behind a line with a revolving door at left guard. I should have clarified my stance on veterans who come in, and I apologize. But for all the work he did for this team, and the way they just dropped him like that, he SHOULD get a 401k.
Look at the kind of influence Uncle Sean is having on our boy:
I’ll quote from wiki’s excerpt on him:
Gilbert rejected the Redskins’ five-year, $20 million offer that included a $5 million signing bonus. He demanded approximately $22.5 million over five years, including an $8 million signing bonus that was to be paid immediately. As a result, the Redskins made Gilbert their franchise player, but rather than sign the one-year $3.4 million tender offer, Gilbert sat out the 1997 season. After the 1997 season the Redskins again made Gilbert a franchise player, this time offering a one-year contract for $2.97 million (the average of the 5 highest paid DTs). Gilbert objected and asked for arbitration saying the Redskins did not have the right to place their franchise player tag on him for a second straight year. On March 17, 1998, the NFLPA and the NFL had an all-day hearing to resolve the case.
The giving up of two first-round picks and paying Gilbert over $6 million a year was called a “debacle” by ESPN who reported that Former Panthers coach Dom Capers regretted that move, stating:
“Sometimes you get in a desperate situation and you don’t ever want to be in a desperate situation. You make decisions based on the fact that you don’t have anybody in a position as opposed to being able to sit back and make long-term decisions that you think would be best for the organization.” But Capers quickly realized he had sacrificed too much of Carolina’s future for Gilbert. “There was a lot of discussion on that and my initial reaction was that it was too much,” he said.
I don’t think I would.
What are the odds either guy would be as good?
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Just slightly less of a chance that revis will continue to be as good as last year. Besides, we could trade a first rounder for an established player.
Depends on where the team ended up in the Draft.
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Also why would gamble on 2 possible busts, when you could possibly have the greatest defender in the history of football?
what if the jets pay revis 16M/YR for the next 10 years and it turns out revis is not
ever again as good as last year?
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
I don’t think anybody expects that. And the Jets can and will cut him if they think he’s not fulfilling what theyre paying him for.
And what if he continually gets better for the next 6 years like he has the last 3?
And what if he continually gets better for the next 6 years like he has the last 3?
what are you smoking man? i want some of that.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
Right Rick, that’s never gonna happen, and Revis, both his agents and the Jets all know it. That’s why the ridiculous contract is being demanded NOW, and also why it will not be paid by a FO that knows better.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does, he'll try to renegotiate his contract in 3 years....
and you own’t have the money to pay him….so he’ll hold out again, and that time he’ll be traded.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
I wouldnt trade him regardless
If he continues to hold out, let him sit. Dont give him what he wants. If there is a lockout next year, he suffers some more.
Evening Gentlemen.....
Glad to see all the activity…. Mind if a Fin fan drops in with an opinion or 2? :)
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
ROFL Howdy CB....
You still peddling that Revis is worth Fort Knox line? hehe.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Well, i'm not sure there is a "RIGHT" side to this argument.
Revis is an exceptional talent and should be paid as one.
Rex Ryan is also a long time defensive genius, with numerous #1 Ranked Defenses, and none of them had the name Revis on it. I’m certain he’ll develop schemes and even without Revis you’ll be a top 5 Defense in the league….I have no doubt about it.
When the Front Office knows, that your Defense is still in all likelyhood going to be a top 5 Defense WITHOUT Revis, its hard to over pay for him.
If the Colts lost Manning, their Offense would drop to the bottom 3rd of the league. Its a different argument.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
You can’t just assume a top 5 defense when everything is predicated on Revis. Thats too big a leap.
I think the Manning correlation is closer to reality than your initial assertion.
I most certainly can....
You have the make up. You have the depth, and you have a Head Coach that has a history of it.
Look, Revis was good in 2008 as you’ve mentioned. But he wasn’t the player he became under Rex’s system.
You keep saying Revis allows for the Blitzes to be utilized…..However, its also the Blitzes that allow Revis to be so good. Less time for the QB to get thru his reads and find the open player, and less time for the WR to create separation.
Revis isn’t Revis without the Blitz.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
THANK YOU.
Yet another shining but factual example of why Revis was created by Rex, not the other way around.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
and its from a Dolphins fan...do you feel dirty? :)
j/k
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
lol
Hey, we just signed Jason Taylor. Every border in our border wars has been transcended. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bill Belichick sang the national anthem at our Monday night opener.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I hope Jason plays well for you guys, except for when we play :)
You’ll find he’s the ultimate team guy.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
hell I agree
but not in a cap world with over 50 man roster
Since the face been revealed the game got real
No worries Rats, I'm not a troll.... I promise.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
boo birds
how fast will they be out after revis gives up a td to brandon marshall after taking his 20mil.
I'm fully expecting Revis to hold Marshall to 4-5 catches for 40 yards....
and I’d be happy with that.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
that would be an epic battle
I expect him to put up more of a fight then AJ on the Texans did. That was just sad
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I say make Revis sweat it out....
Revis is phenomenal player. His performance last year is the type of thing we will watch on NFL Films in a few years. Revis’s last year WILL go down as one of the best Defensive performances in the the history of the game.
However…. I wouldn’t any more than $13 mil, with a nice big signing bonus.
Revis loses value when you play a Running Team, and while the league is becoming a passing league, its not there yet. Also, you’ve got 2 other outstanding players in Mangold, and Harris who both deserve new contracts. Mangold especially since he’s in the last year of his deal, and my god, he’s the centerpiece of that Line.
Without the Line, everything crumbles.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
I try to be even keel....except on the weeks we play each other lol
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Revis loses value when you play a Running Team, and while the league is becoming a passing league, its not there yet
Thank you for your always well thought out contributions to the site :-)
With that said, take a look at the AFC. There are probably four teams that have established themselves over the past decade as perrenial contenders, New England, San Diego, Indianapolis, and Pittsburgh. Three of them have explosive passing attacks. The teams the Jets will need to get through lean heavily on the passing game.
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Always a pleasure to be here JB. I enjoy the interaction and opposing viewpoints.
While I agree those teams have explosive passing attacks. However, other than New England, how often will you play those teams in a 16 game season.
In your own division, you have 2 running teams. Sure its easy to discount Buffalo now, but in 3 years, who knows. Miami is a Running Team for sure.
The Jets need to get thru a 16 game season before they will face the SD, Indys etc…
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Revis frees up a safety to creep into the box. How many players let add an extra guy to cheat on the run without it costing your team on the back end?
There are plenty of teams that have a safety creep into the box.
The Blitz helps out the Corners.
The Corner play helps out the Blitz.
They make each other better….. How do you think Revis would fare up if offenses had 4-6 seconds to make a throw. I guarantee that he wouldn’t shut down players like he did last year. The Blitz helps him TREMENDOUSLY
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Attn Crackback:
Revis may be a shutdown corner. But that was a shutdown argument.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And they can’t blitz without him. Its not a genius idea, the way he’s utilized. Its just nobody, until now, has been able to do what he does. Its not some novel concept that Rex conjured up. Its just that Revis is the first guy in history that could actually accomplish the feat.
Lmao Crack you’re a madman. You’re losin’ it bro. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the blitz was utilized in the NFL at least a couple years before Revis came along. And I’m pretty sure it will be used after he’s gone as well…
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, I was referring to him shutting down the #1 receiver and freeing up a blitzer. Didn’t think i had to walk through all the steps.
There is more than 1 shut down DB in this league...
Revis just did an exceptional job of it last year, in large part because of Rexy’s blitzing schemes.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Ok, so if the success of our D is predicated on the blitz, how about we trade Miss MEvis for a pair of 1’s so he’s someone else’s headache? Then we can draft a pass rusher! That solves the blitz problems. AND, we can throw in a ballhawking, bonecrushing safety to make plays in the secondary which benefits from the pass rush. Everyone happy?
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
no Rex’s d is based on 1 on 1 coverage. That is why cbs are so important.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
You can win with a crap secondary as long as you can smack the QB. Case in point: The 2007 Giants, versus the best passing offense in history.
Big name corner tandems like Bailey & Bly, Asomugha & Hall, Springs & Smoot can hardly get their teams in the playoffs.
by nationalist88 on Aug 10, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone given thought to the fact that Darrelle is doing this because he saw what happened to Leon?
Maybe he’s a little worried about injury shutting him out and the Jets would drop him like it’s hot. Just Sayin’.
30 million not enough?
What happened to leon was he wanted money for a full time running back which he was not. So he played cause he needed the money and broke his leg. He was offered a contract prior to the injury and had he signed he would have ben much better off. He wants45 millon they offer 40 million … rally for 5 million or 10% difference you going to throw away chance to be in SB?
Point is
He’s being a douche. Love him, hate his agents, they need to suck it up and get real. They need to come to a COMPROMISE that will not screw over the TEAM, the PLAYER, and above all, THE FANS.
P.s. Woody Johnson is a jerk and a greedy liar. He claims he doesn’t mind spending money on players, so why doesn’t he offer a SIGNING BONUS, which is most likely THE CULPRIT
There it is!
I hate hearing about poor Leon. He could’ve had a deal, but felt he was worth the gamble for more money… and he came up snake-eyes! Oh well, that’s what happens when you roll the dice!
by NotSoSilentBob on Aug 10, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree its not like they didn't offer him several million a year
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I want to see either side leak the details of the proposal....
If its outrageous….the backlash against Revis will be insane. The Jets will be pressured to extend the Hold out, and make him come back to reality.
If the offer is reasonable, then the backlash will be against the Jets to sign him to a deal…
I’m curious, I admit.
So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.
Contracts
I can understand why he wants to get more money that any other CB in the NFL.
I can understand why they will pay him a bit more money, but not as much as he is asking.
Can the Jets sue him for breach of contract? I mean if the Jets have given up on him?
I think that if either side was offering a very reasonable deal they would have been public about it. Sadly it really looks as if the negotiations are going nowhere.
no because even if you don't agree one side doesn't want to expolit the other
you still have to work together, well that is the hope anyway.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
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