Nick Mangold Accepts Contract Stance....With Class
by David_Wyatt on Aug 9, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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PrintWe all know that contracts have been the key word with the Jets over the past few weeks, however today there was a refreshing story about our pro bowl centre and how he's putting the team first:
Mangold, who is scheduled to earn $3.3 million in the final year of his five-year rookie contract, is one of a few core young players looking for an extension. However, Mangold is resigned to the reality that he won't get a new deal until after the season. Contract talks have been tabled due to the uncertain labor landscape.
"I'm not happy about it, but I accepted that fact," Mangold told the Daily News.
Despite the stalled contract talks, Mangold told The News that he decided "a couple days after minicamp" in mid-May that he wasn't going to hold out of training camp. His decision, in part, was motivated by a desire to help second-year pro Matt Slauson and rookie Vlad Ducasse in their competition for the vacant starting left guard spot.
"When those two guys are battling, they need all the help they can get," Mangold said.
"As a team, we're only as good as our weakest link. There's no reason we should have a weak link at offensive line."
You have to admire a man that takes so much pride in his units performance. Unlike Revis who would of made $20 million odd if he had decided to come back and "help" Wilson, Mangold is playing out his final year of his contract. Is there any doubt that he will get paid? not in my mind. Mangold is just putting the team first, he knows this is an important year, and he knows that there have been some changes on the offensive line, and that unit needs it's leaders this summer. Of course the secondary has also had change, and I'm sure Revis's attendance would of helped the transition, especially for Kyle Wilson.
This isn't about him though, this is about Mangold. He's in a more precarious situation than anyone, final year of his deal and getting underpaid for his position with no long term security after this year as part of the deal he'll play 2010 on. This is just a player who gets "it" and puts the team first, if you want to go around shouting about "paying da man"....how about inserting Mangold's name in.
Mangold will get his money, his well deserved money. I'm sure the team appreciate his attitude through this and he will be rewarded. The labour agreement makes everything easier to work out. If you didn't already appreciate Mangold (and I don't see how you couldn't), this will go a long way to make sure you do now.
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No matter how it works out I have lost a lot of respect for Revis...
and gained a ton for Mangold. If you care about your team you don’t hold out.
So you're saying
if the team spent all offseason telling you how great you are and then saying we aren’t going to pay you, especially when contracts are not gauranteed you’d be happy about it. Revis deserves to get paid and if this is the only way he might get it, then that’s what he’s going to do. I bet we’ll see the front offices stance change if this holdout contiunes into the season, I’d be willing to bet after the first few games of having to adjust the defense Rex will be begging for Revis to comeback. No Revis means No superbowl. You think Cromartie is anywhere near the talent Revis is, just go watch the playoff game against the Chargers.
by vinnyandthejets on Aug 9, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying I'd be happy about it...
but I’d come to work. I also think the Jets have made him a fair offers to this point, so I don’t think they are saying " we aren’t going to pay you". I just think Revis is being overly greedy, at the expense of the team. This certainly isn’t the only way he would get it, this is the greedy stupid way, to try to force your team to give it to you.
Especially when you are essentially basing your greed on one man
in this case, Al Davis, totally overvaluing your nearest contemporary in skill. That’s what bugs me most about this.
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by blueandorange4life on Aug 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And doing that based on just one exceptional year...
listen I think Revis is the best CB in the league without a doubt, but he’s only showed that for one year NA got that ridiculous contract after at least three years as the top CB in the league. NFL contracts aren’t exactly fair, but you still have to do your time.
You don’t pay for past production, you pay for future production. Revis shut down every top receiver he faced last year.
You really think he’s not going to match that? Do you really think that the Jets are expecting a drop off? If you’re expecting a drop off, then of course you don’t pay him. But if you’re expecting him to play at that level or better, then you pay for it.
Why? You know and he knows that thats what expected of him. Hell, the defense is designed around it. He should be compensated for it?
Why is it ok for the team to expect All Time production for average salary? Thats exploitative.
Because thats what he agreed to...
if he didn’t like it he should never agreed to the contract, or take the signing bonus. He had guaranteed money, he got it already.
If he isn’t obvouslt worth way more than that contract, then why did Tanny offer to re-do it?
Lets face facts. The Jets know that they are grossly underpaying Revis. Otherwise, they wouldn’t offer to redo his deal. If you’re going to redo his deal, then pay him what he’s worth to you.
Whether they rape him nicely or roughly, its still rape.
Tell Revis He Will not be Traded
That Uncle, whatever his name is, is telling Revis He will get a big paycheck if he sits out the year and is traded next year. The Jets need to tell Revis he will never be traded until he is in the final year of his contract. Two more years if he returns tomorrow, three years the day after. I know this is burning your bridges but you have to do what will wake him up, his uncle was a special case which will not be repeated
until he tears his ACL and gets nota....
then u will say how smart and fortunate D.R is.. put aside the fan-dom .. they said hes the best now its time to pay him that way..alls hes asking is that they back up their words and their promise.
is the term "Stand up guy " gonna pay his bills if he gets hurt.?
some would say he s an idiot and Revis is the smart one.. like me :O).
PAY THIS MAN!!!!
After reading this, they should work on it now. Nick is the one that DESERVES the new contract because it’s his last year of his rookie and he has just be a stand up guy about it. He has more of reason to be pissed than Revis. I would be more upset if we lost Mangold than Revis.
Man of Gold....
I really like what he is doing. The O-Line is very important to get harmony and rhythm. Teaching those two players is essential. Mangold is the man. I hope he stays healthy so he can receive his paycheck. No doubt in my mine that he will get his $.
Got to love team players,
I should get a Mangold jersey.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
He will be a hero to
When he does sign, when he does reach more Pro-Bowls and how he engages the fans (see twitter) the way he does, I feel he will go down as one of the most unforgettable faces in the history of the Jets… win or lose.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 9, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
How is Mangold in a more precarious position?
He’s set to make $3M this year and he’s one year away from free agency. The highest paid center in the league makes about $7M, per year I think. He’s not holding out because he knows he’ll either hitthe open market after the season or he’ll just get franchised.
The two situations aren’t even remotely comparable. Mangold wasn’t promised that his new deal would get done this off-season and he has significantly less value to the team than Revis.
Business before team. If he knew there wasn’t a high probablity of being franchised, he probably would have held out.
Besides, Revis doesn’t require continuity with anybody. He’s out on an island. So his hold out doesn’t effect anybody.
Saying Revis would have made $20M is a distortion of the facts. He’s set to only make $1M this year.
That said. Mangold is the best center in the league and I’m glad he’s there.
Not true, who is to say that the franchise tag will still apply under the new labour agreement?. What if he suffers a devastating injury this year? and no team is willing to make him a substantial offer with guaranteed money that offers long term security? How’s the open market looking then.
They are comparable, absolutely comparable.
Revis was told his contract would be addressed, it’s my understanding that the Jets have done that and they have offered Revis a new deal, it’s Revis’s problem whether he accepts it or not. He was promised it would be addressed and it was.
He is set to make £1, but do you think the Jets would not have bought back his two years? come on…even if he suffered an injury the Jets would still take that buy back.
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Continuity vs Islands
Revis IS important and he does shut down everyone’s No. 1, but if the O-line doesn’t work together, the team struggles. Imagine what type of year Sanchez might have had without the help of the line. Revis would not have had the same year last year because he would have been on the field for many minutes longer.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 9, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree 100%
the defense is still good enough and deep enough to lose a player even Revis, and still be very good. Hell Jenks is arguably the second best player on D and we saw what happened last year when he went down.
Our O is slowly improving, but not deep, and needs every thing to break right for it to be good, a loss of Mangold, aside from maybe Sanchez, would be the worst thing for this team.
Disagree with you CB...
yes Revis is the best CB in the league, and yes CB is arguably a more important position than C. But the drop off between Mangold and Felix (the back-up center at this point) or anyone else they put there is huge and far more damaging than the loss of Revis (who is essentially replaced by Cro, a former all-pro, who is replaced by Wilson a first round draft pick) IMHO. You take Revis away and we are still one of the top defenses in the league (as good certainly not, have some cracks, yea, but still good), You take Mangold away, and there is a good chance the entire offense falls apart.
Agree about the loss of Mangold being far more damaging than that of Revis.
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I totally disagree. If you get competent production from the center spot, the drop off isn’t all that significant from Mangold to the back-up. If you get just competent production from another corner besides Revis, the drop off is cliff-like.
You guys are totally undervaluing what he brings to the table.
But...
Cro. isn’t just competent, Wilson isn’t either, your talking all-pro calibure and a first round draft pick many say is the best in the draft. On the other hand you have boarderline NFL talent Felix backing up Mangold.
Cro showed he was all-pro caliber one year, and for two other years he was far below that level. Wilson has never played a snap in the NFL, and it usually takes at least a season for corners to progress to the level that they aren’t targets to get picked on. Probably both Cro and Wilson will require safety help more often then not, and neither will be shutting down the #1 receiver. Thats a drastic change in the defense schematically.
If Felix just does his job, and isn’t a swinging door, you’re going to miss Mangold far less than you’d miss Revis.
Not a chance CB, sorry but I 100% disagree with what you are saying. The drop from Revis/Cromartie….to Cromartie/Wilson & the drop from Mangold to Feliz, or Mangold to Hunter is not even comparable. Not having Mangold next to a rookie or 2nd year player at LG is going to be massive, not to mention Mangold does checks for Sanchez as the article highlights.
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+1
and as for Cro I wouldn’t say far below, he still has all-pro skill, I trust Rex to get that out of the both of them (Wilson included).
But thats wishful thinking. And if the team feels the same way, it would make no sense to bring Revis back.
What can I say, we disagree on this Dave. But i would still support Mangold if he held out. I don’t think by not holding out, he’s somehow doing the right thing. He might be screwing himself.
How is holding out ever doing the right thing
its putting yourself before the team and winning.
And more importantly its you not adhering to a legal document that you agreed to and signed under your own free will.
Exactly, just because he has been better than even he probably expected gives him no right to tear up a legal binding document. Bottom line is the Jets own him, and like it or not, he’s not going anywhere any time soon. If he wants to sit on the sideline all year, football is obviously not that important to him.
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Does the same hold true for the team when they cut a guy who they deem isn’t worth it?
And this is business. This isn’t high school. These guys don’t play for free. The team doesn’t come before business. And if the owners don’t want to pay people what their worth, then its them that are putting their pockets before the team, not the players.
Its not a good player’s responsibility to bear the burden of other bad contracts.
Revis has a skill. His skill has a value. He should be compensated for it if the team intends to utilize it.
All your arguments are completely ignoring the fact that there is a salary cap and an uncertain labour agreement situation. You are completely ignoring that fact to take cheap shots at the team.
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Hear ye, hear ye, Judgegavel has spoken! Great point – the only reason these players have million dollar contracts to complain about in the first place is because THEY FREAKIN’ SIGNED THEM!
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Crack are you a fan or an agent? We’ve got a team to support here, not individual players who want to sit and bitch about their contracts!
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the fact that Revis held out his rookie year FOR THIS CONTRACT that he currently has mean anything to anyone. He held out to get what he wanted and now he doesn’t want it anymore. And all this $hit that he’s only making 1 million for this year is bs. He got paid upfront like he wanted.
He’s outperformed this contract, nobody is debating that, but you are 100% right. He got a lot of money early from the Jets. He was a rookie and the Jets gave him good money, they took a leap of faith with him. He is showing no faith in the Jets IMO,
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Nor should he. Look at TJ and Faneca. He outperformed that contract and owes the team nothing. The team made out like crazy on that deal. Now the team expects him to play at an all time level but it expects to pay him at a level commensurate with the average corner. Thats exploitation.
It’s not even scraping the surface of exploitation, the Jets agreed to his demands when he had proved nothing. When his contract is complete he can demand what he likes, and if we won’t pay it someone else will. In the mean time he should play to the deal he cried over initially, and if not he should be reasonable and understand the the team holds the cards on a deal he OK’d initially.
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He’s already outperformed it Dave. If he never plays another snap for the Jets, the Jets got their money’s worth out of Revis. He owes them nothing. And the minute his performance is not up to snuff, he’s cut.
So, its only fair for him to withhold services if the team expects him to play at the level he played last year. Its absolutely exploitative for him to perform at that level under this contract.
Revis owes the Jets nothing? Bullcrap. He got his millions already. How about a Superbowl? Or at least a conference championship from the greatest CB ever? I’d settle for a crummy division title, which he hasn’t even reached.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we knew more details. I’ve refrained from really pointing my finger at anyone because both sides have legitimate concerns.
No matter how cool Mangold is being right now, if he suffers a career ending injury this year the Jets will drop him like a bad habit. That’s how the sport works.
Although… I have a hard time worrying about someone making $3,000,000 this year. I could live comfortably and never work again on that.
Unless Mangold gets injured
He deserves to get paid. No one is questioning that, but not forcing the contract issue could back-fire heavily if he has the misfortune of injury. You think the Jets will pay him then? I don’t. Just look at what happened to Leon Washington.
It would have to be a very severe injury for him not to get paid. He’d still be supported through it and get a decent deal, Leon is not in the same league as team importance as Nick. How often has Nick been injured in his entire football playing career? college included? it’s a calculated risk which shows a lot of class.
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Props to Big Nick on this one
Very classy and definitely the right thing to do. Can’t go wrong with putting the team first
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by blueandorange4life on Aug 9, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Pay him
I’d rather have a happy Mangold than an unhappy Mangold. All do respect to D-Brick but he’s the best player on that line and he deserves to get paid. Normally I don’t side with players on contracts but this front office needs to start locking up the important players. They got lucky that Leon was seriously hurt and didn’t have to pay him, that isn’t going to happen every time and if it does happen to one of these guys it’s going to hurt the team a lot more. They’re playing with fire, Revis already feels insulted, there’s no need to risk insulting someone like Mangold and watching him walk as a free agent.
by vinnyandthejets on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
While I agree with the general premise of what you are saying, let’s not forget that the Jets offered Washington a deal that he turned down. What was it $5 mill per? the Jets have said they would look at the contracts, they did with Washington…he turned it down and got injured…that’s his fault. Jets said they would look at Revis’s, they did and they offered him a contract which he turned down…again without knowing the details of the contracts, and I don’t think anyone does it’s hard to side with anyone…when that’s the case I think it’s only right you go with the team. Jets can’t force Revis to sign a deal, they also can’t be stupid in what they offer. We have no idea, but who’s to say that they didn’t offer him a reasonable deal, which he turned down because he wants $16 mill+ per. No way to know to be fair.
I don’t think we can say many bad things about the Jets and their front office. Mangold is intelligent enough to know the situation the team is in without a labour agreement in place, and with all this talk coming out about their being reasonable suspicion that there could be a lock out next year, I don’t blame the Jets for being careful with just where they put their money.
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I don't think they got lucky with Leon...
(except that he didn’t sign the offer they did give him) no way they should have signed him to any big time extension. He was 27 years old, and still never showed he could be an every down back, 27 is a very late age to start investing in potential.
The "if" road...
If we go down the “If” road about signing Washington you need to also think, “If” he did get his contract, would he even got injured? You have to include the mental aspect of this. If Leon had his contract maybe his training camp and game day mindset is different, even if only on a subconscious level. Now I believe he played ALL OUT all the time the same way I believe something like that has got to be in your head.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 9, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Finally......
A REAL Player, who plays with respect and honor. You sign it you honor it! Well done Mangold. He will get Paid at the end of the season!!!!!!!!
this man is gold
Mangold understands and is totally a team player. Last year of his contract he would have the jets by the balls more than mevis. Best center in the nfl, where as mevis has 3 years left. Jets already offered mevis way more money than mangold.
Crack, no love for mangold? If you like mangold as much as mevis you would say pay the man 9 million a year. The mevis hold out effects almost everybody, the team, the coaches, the fans.
I love Mangold. But circumstances are not the same IMO. Mangold is set to make 3M and his value will top out at about 8M. And if he held out, I would still love him.
Revis is set to make 1M this year and he’s worth at least 15M. And thats assuming the Nnamdi’s actual value is about 12M. Revis does that much more than Nnamdi and he should be compensated for it.
Everybodies’ contract effects everybody else’s. Thats the nature of the cap and finite resources. The real bad guy in all of this is Gholston. Even with his restructured contract, he’s gobbling up resources that should be allotted to the core 4.
I think these guys should be compensated for their value. And they just aren’t. Mangold has every right to request 8M. He’s performed at that level for years, at great personal risk to future earnings, and under a contract that grossly underpays him for his production and which the team could decide not to honor at any time it chooses. I would have absolutely no problem with Mangold demanding 8M a season.
Why is Revis worth $3 more than Aso?
I don’t understand the logic behind that at all, Aso has allowed around one TD the last 3 years, Revis had a good 08 and a brilliant 09. He’s not worth $3 more than Aso, people just don’t throw at Aso any more.
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Because Revis removes the #1 receiver all by his lonesome and frees up a safety to do whatever.
If the opponent wants to go to there #1 receiver, they just go tothe opposite side of Nnamdi.
What has more of an effect on an opposing offense? Having your number one covered, your number 2 double-covered, and an extra blitzer at the line of scrimmage? Or the ability to go to my best receiver basically whenever I want to?
More impact = more value
And Revis had an All Pro ’08 and an All Time ’09. If you expect him to play at the level he played in ’09, then you need o compensate for that expected production.
But again he's only done that one season...
I agree if he can keep it up maybe (although no CB is worth NA money, let alone 3 mil more), the year before he was good but not in NA’s league, I think Rex has played a fair share in making Revis who he is.
Just makes no sense to me. If you expect him to play at that level, he should expect to be compensated for producing at that level. And it makes no difference whatsoever, that Rex is the first to use him in this way.
All that matters is whats expected of him and what thats worth.
Its not like you can take it back if he doesn't, or if he get injured...
he signed the contract, if his expectations were he was going to be that good, and not play for what he was going to make he should have never signed the contract.
Circumstances changed. He outproduced his first contract by far. And the Jets did not have the same expectations of him then, that they do now. Now that he was promised a new deal, he wants to be compensated for whats expected of him.
And if he gets injured, the likelihood that he sees this kind of money again is remote.
If its ok for the team to refuse his services if they deem that he can’t produce at the level they’re paying him, then its equally ok for the player to refuse to provide services if he’s expected to produce at a level that far exceeds what he’s being compensated for.
But it was his responsibility to for see that not the Jets...
he signed the contract, no one forced him to. Jets can make all the promises in the world, but it means nothing till its on paper, and signed.
He’s already honored the entire value of that contract, IMO. He owes the Jets nothing.
They want to re-do his deal, they expect him to perform at the level he did last year, and now they have to compensate him for his future expected production.
And if Mangold held out, which he has every right to do, I would back him the same way.
They want to re-do the deal...
thats very nice for Revis, they certainly don’t have to re-do it. If you sign a contract you should honer it end of story.
No he hasn’t honoured the entire value of his deal, that makes absolutely no logical sense. He still has $20 mill to come and despite what you say you can’t ignore that fact even if he is playing on a low salary this year.
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Revis’ rookie deal was for 6 yrs $30M. The Jets got 30M worth out of him already, even without playing this season.
15M (at least) for last season; and 7.5 for each of the previous 2.
$15 is QB money, it’s not CB money. Revis got the deal he wanted, now he is holding out on the deal he held out for. It’s pathetic.
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He performed the value of that deal already, now he wants to be compensated for whats expected of him.
I see nothing wrong with that.
He’s crossing his arms, stamping his feet and leaving his team mates out to dry. You don’t see anything wrong with that….sorry fella I’ve got a big problem with that.
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And when he plays, there's not another defender the league that can touch him.
But you want to pay him like he’s just a corner.
He’ll get paid, your acting like the Jets want to pay him $1 for the rest of his career. He signed his deal, and if he plays out on it then he would take home over $20 mill.
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Sorry, he IS just a corner, and one other defender who would disagree with you is the guy who got DPOY last season.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats just silly...
I expect Shonn Greene to perform as good as Michael Turner this year, should he hold out for that money.
Your salary is based on your whole resume, not just your expectations for that year, otherwise it would be done on a year by year basis.
Its not silly at all. Why do you think first rounders get all the money they get? Because of their resumes? Past production is a good indicator of future production, but its the future production that you’re paying for.
Its why guys with HOF resumes, that are old don’t get paid. Because nobody expects that production anymore.
When their expected production increases so does their value. Revis’ expected production is through the roof.
No. Its the Jets problem because he’s not playing. If they think they can be as good without him, then good luck with that.
If you think we can afford to give him $16-$17 mill per….good luck with having a great player on a mediocre team for the next 8 years.
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Not his problem nor his responsibility.
If you were Peter King and sold a bunch of mags for SI, would you accept to be paid at a level equal to other average columnists or would you expect to be compensated in accordance with what you do for SI?
If I had signed a contract with a company, I would expect that I would have to honour said contract, come to work everyday and when that contract was over, then I could ask for what I want. If I didn’t get it at SI, then I’d go somewhere else. Only when the contract was up. Especially if SI had hired me and paid me good money without knowing just what I could do for that company. I would be thankful and grateful to them.
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Well then if I was as good as those sales suggested and I had that on a resume, I wouldn’t need to worry because it wouldn’t be hard to find another job.
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Exactly. So why risk another job where you can be compensated fairly, for a compnay that is lowballing you?
What company would want to employ me if every time I wanted a raise I stop coming to work.
by Judgegavel on Aug 9, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Every single comment that CB has made to defend Revis has come down to one thing $$$$$$$‘s…….that’s not helping with his selfish “me” reputation he is acquiring at the moment.
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The team is just as selfish. Of course its about money. Its about money and who gets it and who deserves it.
Revis deserves it for what theyre asking him to do.
The team are actually entertaining the idea upgrading the contract he selfihly held out for as an unproven rookie. The team is doing all the work…Revis has plugs in his ears, feet stomping repeating the words “I want to get paid, nothing else matters”
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If Revis wants to get grossly overpaid as a hired mercenary with no regard for any team or anybody else, tell him to pack his shit and go play for the Yankees.
by nationalist88 on Aug 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Right and no matter how much he helps us win on the field...
its never going to offset how much $16+ mil is going to hurt this team in the long run.
It doesn’t hurt the team if the team is getting its 16M’s worth out of him. And the minute thyre not, you can be damn sure he’ll get cut.
Maybe in the MLB it works like that Crack but not in the NFL. It hurts the team when you have to overpay a player to the detriment of team depth and other players.
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Again, players play for money. They should be paid what their worth. If the owners don’t like they should ask for a higher cap.
Why do you think they want a cap in the first place? Do you really think they give a damn about parity? Its all about money.
It’s about trying to put a cap on the ridiculous amounts of money these guys are paid to play a game. The team will pay Revis what he is worth, but if you think he’s worth $17 million, you are indeed on crack. It’s not realistic.
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How much do you think the owners make off these players’ backs.
He’s absolutely worth it. There’s not a more impactful defensive player in the league.
No need for insults.
Again I'm all for players getting what they can...
mot so much because the deserve it, but because the owners are willing to pay it, so they should be able to get what ever you can. But if you sign a contract you should stick by it, no one forced you to sign it.
Thats all well and good when your a FA...
but if you signed a contract, tough crap, no one made you sign it, if you thought you were going to be that good it was your responsibility to look out for that when you signed.
It goes both ways. If the team can cut a guy for underperformance, then the player can withhold performance due to underpayment.
Whats fair is fair.
You guys want him to play like the best ever, but you want to pay him like an avergae corner. Cmon.
That’s not fair, because of guaranteed money. These players get to put clauses in their contracts that say “no matter how bad I hurt your team, no matter how badly I play, you still have to give me a lot of money”
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Then don't sign the contract to begin with...
he had guaranteed money that he already got, he had a signing bonus. If thats the case he needs to give back a portion of the money.
Exactly, cry me a river about these guys not being able to feed their families on the $30 mill they get.
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I feel the same way for the owners. They nickel and dime these guys and walk home with how many billions?
If they had no restrictions they would pay these players. They have restrictions and like I said above, this is a big detail that you are conveniently leaving out.
Conversation is going round in circles so I’m done with it. Agree to disagree.
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Then the owners should raise the restrictions. The restrictions aren’t the players’ problem.
Owners rake in billions of dollars and build stadiums with public financing. If revenues are increasing then so should the players’ salaries, correspondingly.
Its not Revis’ problem that the team is restricted. Revis shouldn’t have to pay his teammates’ salaries. Which is what you’re asking him to do if he has to play for less than he’s worth. And then you demonize him for flipping the game back on the owners.
Nickel and Dime, OMFG
pro sports salaries are ridicules. The only reason I think the Jets are not giving him what he wants is because of the potential cap problems it will cause in future years.
Who made out on that deal, the Jets or Revis?
What were the Jets’ expectations of Revis when he signed his rookie deal?
Obviously, he was right to hold out for more money. Obviously he deserved that money. Obviously he outperformed that deal by a wide margin and the Jets made out like bandits.
What are they expecting of him now? And is it fair to pay him at a much lower level when you expect him to play at an all world level? And is it unfair for him to hold out for fair compensation, when the team can get of the contract it signed with him at any time the minute they deem he’s not performing at the level they would like?
What if he gets worse like Kerry did after he got his contract? then what? we’ve got a cornerback not living up to the value of his contract.
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People want Guaranteed money inserted…..so if it’s guaranteed he can’t just be cut and the Jets get out of it. Seems like it’s fine for players to get safety help over the top (guaranteed money) but not OK for the team to (Non-Guaranteed money and low salary years)
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Therein lies the dilemma. Neither side is right/wrong (until we know the details). But players shouldnt be demonized for holding out, when teams cut guys and dishonor their contracts as a matter of course.
Yes they should, come to work….set up meetings to explain your grievances and work on a contract. The Jets have been in contact with him all off-season. Do not under any circumstances throw a childish fit and refuse to come to work because you are not happy.
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Its not childish at all. Its business. Don’t run around the world telling everybody he’s the best defender you’ve ever seen and pay him a $1M.
We have no idea what those offers consisted of. If what you’re asking for is fair, then why should you budge if the team isn’t being reasonable.
When the contract is up and they try and re-sign him and he won’t because he just wants to get paid…then come back to me with the “Rex has hyped him up, so should pay him” argument. Until then, come to work, be thankful for the situation your in and honour your contract.
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Then don’t promis him that you’re going to re-do the contract then. Whats the point of that if you’re not going to give him what he’s worth to you.
They were going to do is contract, and that’s what they have been trying to do this off-season. How were the Jets to know that Revis would be getting senile advice that suggested he hold out for $16-17 million.
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Because they know that he’sworth that. Your hatred of the situation is misdirected.
Its not Revis’ fault that he’s so good. And its not his fault that they’re asking him to be.
Your support is misdirected. The Jets will pay Revis as long as it fits in with the overall team plan. Paying a single player that is not a QB $16-17 is not that. If you want to see stupidity from the front office, support the Raiders.,
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If you expect him to play at the level he played at last year, you’re going to have to pay for it. This isn’t communism. If you want a Porsche, you don’t offer Chevy money.
What a 'Crack' of shinola, crackback
Whose arse have you been sniffing? How is that any football player is now an elitist?
“My skills demand 20 bajillion dollars – really. And if I do not get my 20 bajillion dollars, then I’ll only play to 75% – you know, what you cheapskates paid me?”
Communism? No ...
however, our pay scales do not ascend at such a rapid pace in order to afford tickets, now do they comrade?
I love it!
Guaranteed money – didn’t he chose this profession? Was someone holding a pee shooter to his head? What a truly collective bunch of women we have playing football these days (no offense to REAL women : ])
Let me shed a tear …
he will be seeing is different tune...
…if he gets hurt this year and can’t get a contract next year. but then all of you will forget him, just like the team will.
Even if Mangold gets hurt, he’ll get paid a decent wage next year. It takes more than one injury for a team to turn their backs on a young player who is the best at his position. If we give these guys loads of money and they get hurt…..then the team is left in the lurch, but that doesn’t matter to you of course…players first and all.
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Yea thats the real world..
would I or the team really need to cry for someone that just made 3.3 million last year. Sorry but non- guaranteed contracts is what makes the NFL competitive, and the best professional sport (not the salary cap), and is how things should be. If MLB had non guaranteed contracts do you think there would be the disparity there is. Look at how guaranteed contracts and a salary cap have destroyed teams for years in the NHL and NBA. Some people aren’t born with talent, some are but get injured its just life, but you shouldn’t be simply entitled to the money.
smart
Also Mangold being a smart guy he probably has spent his money wisely. Heck give me a mil and I’ll be happy for the rest of my life. Can’t understand how some of the players make millions a year then broke and owe more. But it happens all the time.
That’s always interested me as well. I guess money comes with a lot of talking heads, people wanting you to invest in certain ventures. Read most sport biographies and a failed venture is often found somewhere along the line. It depends how much money they put in to how deep in the **** they get themselves. Remember reading Mickey Mantle’s biography and he invested in a bowling ally. Strange things people invest in.
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Their broke?
How does b _low me sound? You reap what you sow - live outside your means and you pay. With the glut of money in their pockets, they should reserve 20-30% for their future. Don’t most players claim they are just trying to take care of their families? Really? Come back down to earth. So, $10 mil a year just take care of the family isn’t like it use to be, right?
&&^&^%%^$^%%())^ me.
Do I sound a little frustrated? I hope so!
Are we not ALL adults?
Come on – I am so tired about what Uncle Jets promised me! Be a man, sign the best offer and get on with it! You really want to be a JET forever??? BS!!! Prove it and stop allowing your teammates to hang in the breeze.
I don’t give a tinker’s damn about football players’ artificially inflated worths – I cannot afford to go to the games as it is. Why not just continue increasing the pay scales? Who do you want sitting in the stands? Hard core fans or corporate guests? Give me a feakin’ break, stop bitchin’ and go play ball!
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