Rex: "Clemens has a pretty strong chance to make this team"
by David_Wyatt on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
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Ryan said Clemens has "a pretty strong chance of making this team."
Ever since the day the Jets brought in Mark Brunell, Kellen Clemens days as a green and white QB looked numbered. Fuelled by reports that the Jets were shopping him, and the little "x" next to his name on last weeks hard knocks episode, it seemed a matter of when rather than If.
However there may be light at the end of the tunnel for Clemens career in New York. You can read it two ways, either Rex Ryan is truly saying Clemens has a chance. Or he is trying to give the impression the Jets are keen to keep him and won't release, perhaps trying to force a team to give up something of value.
Personally I really think that it's the first one. Brunel has looked disastrous so far, and O'Connell hasn't done anything to show he is ready. Clemens knows the system, and I'd be a lot more comfortable with him behind centre if anything happened to Sanchez. I'm not saying he has had a great pre-season, but out of the three back-up's he has definitely looked the better guy.
It has always made sense to me to have Clemens stay here just in case. If we want Brunell as the coach, that's absolutely fine, I'd prefer him not take up a roster spot, but have him as the #3 if need be, and let Clemens manage the team if he is needed.
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1.1 Million for a 3rd string QB is wayyy too much. Clemens to AZ makes a ton of sense.
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1.1 million doesn’t matter this year, it’s only effecting Woody Johnson.
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Which is why I can’t understand why we can’t just give Revis a band-aid for this year.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know we are not trying?
Didn’t mike T say he had offered a short deal in the 1st episode of Hard Knocks.
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I think Revis wants his pay day, after the season he has had, he knows his stock will probably never be higher than it is right now and he wants to cash in. Maybe he doesn’t have Chris Johnson’s confidence that his performance in 2010 will be as good or better than his previous year.
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I would bet that the Jets offered little to no guaranteed money in it. Or the offer was such a joke it wasn’t acceptable.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They made it work for mangold and dbrick so it is starting to look like revis is asking for too much, and not that the jets just dont know how to pay for talent.
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Mangold and Brick settled for not-so-guaranteed money. I’ll explain in a post tommorow. I’ll clarify the whole Revis thing into one nice, unbias picture.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure a band aid was offered
he has made about 15 mil so far and is making ….or should make 1Mil this year, I’m pretty sure they’ve offered him a contract offering him substantially more for this year. I’ve heard a deal was on the table to bump his earnings to 10Mil this season but he turned it down.
I’ts all speculation cuz negotiations are kept private but it doesn’t seem like those numbers are too far fetched for the Jets to throw out there.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
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by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop looking at revis and look at his agents. They dont want a 1 or 3 year deal. They want a deal that pays revis even if there is no football in 2011 and they want to ride the 2009 season for 10 years. If you think revis is worth 16M in 9 years from now than sign the deal. They are having other big name players sit out 1 year tenders trying to get them stretched into long term deals ahead of the lockout.
Personally, I’d just guarantee each season that he is the highest paid CB from all active CBs from his draft class and any preceeding draft class. Cause there is no point to pay grandpa Revis $16M in 2020 if he is the best of the old timers still in the league by then.
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I'll take him over Brunell under center any day
I know we keep beating the “It’s preseason” drum over and over again but Brunell has looked mostly awful. If Sanchez goes down/misses a game I’ll take the guy who knows the system and can play adequately as a fill in. I see Brunell and I think of when we called Vinny off of his coach in 2005 and he led us to a 2-10 end of the season.
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by blueandorange4life on Aug 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
The sad thing about that season
Is that once the coaching staff had to put Bollinger out there and showed a shred of faith in him he didn’t do half bad, and at the very least was better then Vinny.
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The 2nd half of the Ravens game he went in for Pennington.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
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I've seen this coming
Ever since we tendered him.
I don’t know if it’s Mike T, but someone in the Jets organization thinks Clemens is worth something. I would doubt that if we had released Clemens there would have been a lot of chances for him. It probably would have been Buffalo or the UFL for him.
At this point though, there’s really no reason to let him go. And I still prefer him by far over Ainge/O’Connel. At this point the team is Sanchez’s team. If he goes down, it’s not going to be pretty.
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I think it was a mistake by Rex to name Brunell the #2 back before any pre-season game. He should of had to earn the “playing” portion of his role, his coaching and mentor one came as part of the signing.
It will be interesting to see who starts against the Eagles, it will probably be Brunell. However they will both have Santonio (he’ll play for 3 quarters) so can see how they do.
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Does it really matter who is at what position on the depth chart?
If Sanchez gets a serious injury, the team is no better with either Brunnel or Clemens.
If Sanchez gets hurt during a game, we can always put Clemens in, it just means that Brunnel can’t go in till the 4th. I think Sanchez is going to miss part of at least one game with an injury just because of his play style. You can tell him all you want to slide when he scrambles, but he has that competitive spirit and he’s going to take a bad hit on a scramble at some point this year.
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I think if you name someone #2 on the depth chart you are committing to having them come in if the #1 goes down. So if you don’t think that’s a big deal, that’s fine. I personally think it was a mistake.
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Dude Brunell is finished
It takes him to long to take the snap and his four step back, by he time he gets his head up the field the receivers have finished their routes already lol.
Clemens would certainly be out of the NFL.He has lost every training camp battle
for the QB job against all competition and has not done anything positive in every chance that he’s had LEAVE THE GUN!TAKE THE CANOLIES!!as far as Clemens is concerned.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemens is still better then Ainge/O’Connel. Between those three I’d take Clemens.
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The Jets have put all their eggs in the Sanchez basket and are making two
huge mistakes by doing so.First he has not proved that he is a bona-fide NFL QB.Mark nearly played us out of the playoffs during the season(His stats were pathetic) so the Jets were forced to take their season out of his hands and win with the running game and defense.To Mark’s credit,he didn’t screw up the plan but I still don’t believe right now he is good enough to win a Super Bowl
Their second mistake is not having a capable back-up QB in case of injury or the inability to move this team up and down the field.All the hopes and dreams totally go out the window if the Jets have to go to either back-up QB.
There is no arguing Sanchez’s stats were bad. But the season was never in his hands. Rex said we would follow the Ravens plan Run and defense, to protect the Rookie QB. For all his ints, (16 came in 5 games, 4 in the other 10), it was the D that lost 3 games by giving up 70+ yrd game winning TD drives. And special teams gave one way to TED FREAKING GINN!!
What SB contender has a good backup? Aren’t we playing with the SB champs backup? Sanchez is not Brees, Manning, Farve or Brady, or Rivers, Palmer or Flacco but who are their backups? What backup could we have gotten? And remember we were restricted in the FA market by the final 8 rules?
by george JETson on Aug 30, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I say
keep Clemens and if Sanchez really really messes up that bad, I’m talking like a pair of back to back 50.5 qb ratings, then you give K-dawg a chance….yes, K-dawg is my nickname for Clemens.
He has looked good in the pre season and he knows (or has no reason not to know) the offense. Not to mention the team respects him for putting up with the way the front office has shitted on him like a morning after hangover coupled with a burrito breakfast.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
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by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
If they didn’t pull Sanchez last year, they are even less likely to this year.
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didnt they say the same thing when they told CP that he would be a jet for life????
by servantofchrist on Aug 30, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
I’d take Clemens over Brunell. I’d take a lot of QB’s over both.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemmons is prolly the best QB you got.
Based on experience, accuracy and awareness. you’ll see.
You are sounding you have football IQ of someone who works in the Bills front office.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know (or care) enough about you to make generalizations about your IQ based on blog comments. However, one thing I do have less respect for are QBs from USC. I just said Clemmons was a better QB, thats all. Stay classy Jets fans.
Well, you just said Clemens is the best QB based on experience, accuracy, and awareness.
Experience – He has less NFL starts than both Sanchez and Brunell.
Accuracy – One of the reasons Sanchez was drafted so high was because of his accuracy, which is in the top tier of the NFL. Clemens was missing screen passes against Tampa.
Awareness – Just watch him try to “feel” pressure. Its not good.
He’s a solid backup, but Brunell was brought in for his mentor ability, which is something Clemens cannot replicate.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh Ryan
Saying that Sanchez is in the top tier of accuracy in the NFL is one hard sell. He was near the very bottom for completion percentage. And it wasn’t because he was attempting long passes…
Maybe you meant
that he’s in the top tier of the NFL rookies in accuracy? I’d be more inclined to believe that.
I think maybe he meant that Sanchez was drafted because of his accuracy in college.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Where he was middle of the pack with the other ranked D1 QB’s?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct/year/2008
There’s more to accuracy than completion %. We all bash Sanchez a little because he throws outside a lot, but in reality, that’s a pretty tough throw to make, especially in the NFL.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
my point, your words. thank you.
I dont come here to argue. At ‘Rumblings we have lots of oposing teams’ fans post on our fanshots. Its actually fun when you keep it light. My 3 posts here have been met with sarcsm and insults, and all i did was offer an opposing viewpoint. Im glad we can all talk and bet your balls to a bonedance Im not this nice when we meat twice a year, lol, but lets keep it on the up and up. fair enough? You dont want me getting my Jets info from those hacks at espn do ya?! hahahahaha.
by BuffaloChip on Aug 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He is actually, throwing the ball, a pretty accurate QB, top 12 or so in the leauge. It’s the decisions that he needs to improve on. We’ve all seen him make some pretty impressive throws.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but scouts and football people really like his accuracy. Schotty comments on it all the time. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty solid.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 31, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
An offensive coordinator supporting his QB is not the most objective source. Scouts and football people rave about Sanchez’ intangibles, but I can’t particularly recall one saying he was any upper echelon of the league for anything other than poise.
Mike Mayock loved his accuracy. when you draft a QB, he could be tim teabow times 2, first and foremost, he has to be able to throw the ball.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 31, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait
What does this mean?
bq. when you draft a QB, he could be tim teabow times 2, first and foremost, he has to be able to throw the ball.
Is one Mark Sanchez in hand worth two Tim Tebows in the bush?
And Mike Mayock is a draft guru. He rated Sanchez against precisely two other quarterbacks: Freeman and Stafford. Sanchez may be more accurate than them, but that’s not saying much…
your grammar speaks volumes, “contributor”.
by BuffaloChip on Aug 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not start down this route gentlemen.
I’m a strong backer of Kellen Clemens, but I can’t say he is better than Sanchez in any facet of his game. Perhaps reading the defence and knowing the system. Both of which come with experience, which Sanchez will earn.
Clemens is more than suitable as a back-up in my opinion.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Brunell is finished
Give him a cap let him stand on the sidelines, his arm is finished, he’s to slow to even get in his throwing motion, once anybody comes around him he just falls can’t move, only Favre can do this at 40, thats why I think there might have been a side deal with Brunell guaranteeing him the 2nd quarterback spot because everybody sees this Joe Namath included.
Kellen Clemens
The Jets are a disgrace with how they have handled a classy and devout Catholic like Kellen. I guess they like players like Cromartie with about 8 kids with about 5 different women. Now there is a roll model. Not!
by Jetman Delta 01 on Aug 30, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
Who cares if he’s Catholic?
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That is like saying “who cares if he is a rapist” as long as he wins for us. How you live your life is more important than winning football games.
by Jetman Delta 01 on Aug 30, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You can be a Catholic rapist….lol
I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all but the Jets aren’t concerned with his life as long as it doesn’t interfere with football.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Religious preference doesn’t matter in the slightest.
Although he is a classy guy, I don’t think there is much doubt about that.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the Jets and the rest of sports should be concerned about how their players act in private life. It reflects on them as well. Ever wonder why this country is going to hell in a handbasket? "Football is Not important in the scheme of things.
by Jetman Delta 01 on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Look dude, the NFL runs a business. Roger Godell has actually really cleaned up the act of a lot of players around the league. But if someone wants to be an atheist and hang out with gangs, it’s their right.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it would seem that smoking pot and having an unregistered 9mm in your trunk is still a no-no
by BuffaloChip on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Point is, as long as it isn’t illegal or doesn’t violate the NFL’s personal conduct policy, it really is none of the team’s business what players do outside of their work.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 30, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is important that the team keep tabs on peoples private lives but also important for them not to condemn someone who has done something that they may not agree with. Cromartie has a lot of children, but that’s not a crime…I don’t think using him is really a logical choice.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 30, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Catholicism rank
next to accuracy, arm strength, QB reads, and scrambling ability at the NFL combine?
man, there’s an alter-boy joke here and Im too drunk to think of it!!!!
by BuffaloChip on Aug 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Football is Not important in the scheme of things.
Maybe a football blog isn’t for you. You might want to try contemplating the “Problem of Evil” over on a Jesus blog or something.
Well I agree that football is not important in the scheme of things
But I also feel like rating Catholicism over other credos isn’t so important in the scheme of things
Football is pretty much my religion anyway lol
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 31, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry did I read this right
the blog went from Clemens staying on the team to him being a catholic versus Cromartie having 8 kids by 5 women and the world ending in 2012 because of pedophiled Catholic priest??
So Mote It Be!
ummm. Yes.
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by Ryan Alfieri on Aug 31, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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