A Hidden Effect of Darrelle Revis' Holdout
by John B on Aug 17, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
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PrintWe have spent plenty of time discussing how Darrelle Revis' holdout affects the Jets at the front of the cornerback depth chart. A team could do worse at least in terms of natural ability than Antonio Cromartie and Kyle Wilson. We have not spent as much time talking about the back of the depth chart.
Revis' absence forces everybody to move up one slot. That moves Cromartie into the top spot. Kyle Wilson will become a starter. If they play up to their potential, they could be very good. It also makes Dwight Lowery move up to play the nickel and makes Drew Coleman the fourth corner. Lowery has flashed ability but has been inconsistent. A lot of teams would love to have a guy with 15 career starts as the fourth on the chart. He should be able to handle the fourth target on most teams. It's not as clear cut with him working consistently in the slot. Coleman's play has been less than stellar his entire career.
A lot of the teams the Jets will have to get through in the AFC have deep receiver corps. They love to go four wide and can with success at the position. Life without Revis will force the Jets to give expanded roles to two guys who got burned by a rookie from UMass last night.
Losing Darrelle would hurt the team in more areas than the starting lineup.
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Agree 100%
Although I question this being a “hidden” effect, it’s been painfully obvious since day the AFC title game and day one of the Revis holdout. Last night’s game didn’t do much to ease my concerns about this fact, either.
By hidden I mean it’s something people aren’t really talking about. There’s a lot more thought about Cromartie being the number one and Wilson starting.
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Seeing more of Lowery and Coleman
Has been a big concern of mine for a while, and also starting a rookie on the outside. True that there haven’t been a lot of posts on the topic, but there should be.
Baltimore, New England (2x), Miami (2x), Minnesota, Green Bay, Houston, Cincinnati, possibly Pittsburgh (Ben is back with a couple games under his belt).
There’s a lot of high-powered offenses with big time QBs we’re facing this year. Many of which are much more capable of exploitng the slots than Scorgi and Cruz.
I personally (and unsuprisingly) am worried about Cro and Wilson’s consistency as starters. Revis only gave up 2 TDs last year, Ithink, one of which was a 5 yrd TD to Moss on a quick snap. Cro will no doubt get his picks, but i also have no doubt that he will get burned much more than Revis did if he’s locked up on #1s. And Wilson will get picked on relentlessly, like all rookie corners do.
Regardless of how you feel about whether Revis should be paid, if we don’t sign him they better trade him and bring in somebody who can sure up the secondary.
Crackback defending Revis?
Shocking. Just messing with you bud, couldn’t resist. :-)
I think we all agree that it would be best to sign Revis, or if it really is at an impasse, to trade him for a proven player and picks in return.
If you trade Revis what do you think you can get for him.
The guy wants to be the highest paid CB in the league. Teams wont give you anything you want, because then they have to pay this guy 100 plus million to keep him. The only real way he is going to another team is by FA, which youd never let him get to IMO.
by Patsfan4life on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats just stupid...
He wants to be the highest paid CB in the league, because he’s the best CB in the league. If the Jets decided to trade him I agree not every team would want him, but you would still have teams lining up to trade for him. Hell look at the Brandon Marshall situation.
It’s not that Revis doesn’t deserve the money, he does if he was a FA, its that he needs to honer his contract and is signed for three more years, and needs to compromise if he’s going to get a raise now. Plus the Jets have to weigh that they have so many great young players with contract situations coming up.
I think his contract is up after this season and the Jets have an option to tack on 2 more years. But if you’re not going to pay him, then why pick up the option? But I think if he goes to free agency, instead of him being an unrestricted FA, he would be a restricted FA. So whoever picks him up is going to have to give up at least a first rounder to the Jets. But the Jets should be able to squeeze more than a first rounder if they deal him before the season starts.
How it read isn a synopsis is...
“…Revis deal voids into a 4 year deal if he plays in 35% of the defenisve snaps in year 1 or 45% in any year thereafter. The Jets can buy back the final two seasons of the deal at 5 million in 2011 and either 9 million, 11 million, or 15 million in 2012 depending on Revis meeting certain incentives. The Jets gave up the rights to use the franchise tag on Revis in either of the voidable years. Revis met the playing time incentives in 2008 to void his deal…”
Not sure how the added year towards FA because of the holdout plays into that, as the whole reason, I would think, Revis negotiated (or agreed to) the Jets buy back clause was he could not be franchised after that, although he would be making $15 million that last year anyway (although maybe not now with the hold out, not sure what the incentives are for that). Not sure if he would be an RFA, or simply get his last year money.
Good post, John
Watching last night’s game reinforced that we really don’t have depth at CB.
If Revis holds out through the season, having Lowery at nickelback will be exploited by every team, his coverage skills are awful.
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Like I said, I think he can handle most number 4 receivers. Number 3’s? I’m skeptical.
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Agree 100%, and really liked this one point you made in the article:
A lot of the teams the Jets will have to get through in the AFC have deep receiver corps. They love to go four wide and can with success at the position. Life without Revis will force the Jets to give expanded roles to two guys who got burned by a rookie from UMass last night.
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I actually think he’s better than most nickels in the league, baring the player like Wilson (a rookie or second year, with the talent to really start, just not given the opportunity yet). That was his performance forced in the #1 role, which he just doesn’t have the skills for. But as a 3rd or 4th back on the field with help, he is very aware, and is a very good tackler. Also give credit where credit is do, Cruz played a fantastic game, and went above and beyond what a typical 3rd string receiver is capable of. Also take a look at the rest of the defenses role there, once the first team was out they did not get a ton of pressure on Sorgi or Bomar.
Wilsooonnn!
On punt returns, this also affects the team. As a potential starter, would you want him out there returning punts? If he gets injured, then what? If he’s not returning punts, then do we really stick with Larry Taylor?
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Won't he be a starter regardless of Revis situation?
He would just be inside instead of outside. Still a risk, just not as great of a risk if Revis is there.
A lot of people refer to the nickel as a starter, but he’s not on the field in a base defense.
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True
Thought about that after I wrote it. Still think he’s going to see a lot of time with all the 3 and 4 WR sets the Jets will face.
No Taylor has no shot at making the team, I mean he’s like 9th on the depth chart at WR. I think that was just a case of why risk an injury so early in the pre-season. Leonhard and Cotch returned punts most of last season and they were both starters. Even if they decide not to go with a starter as PR, I would suspect someone with a little better chance of making the roster get some shots, like Allison, McKnight, B. Smith, Clowney, or even Woodhead.
Sure it was the whole reason we drafted Wilson...
but its no worse than last year, and iirc be had the best passing d in the league. Still no matter what happens they need to replace Coleman.
donald strickland sounds great right about now
too bad he’s already signed to another team.
Someone decent will get cut they always do. I just don’t understand what management is seeing with Coleman, why is he still here, why did he get that much playing time?
Pettine has repeatedly said he likes Coleman and Cole. I’m not too sure exactly why.
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