2nd View: Jets Impressions
by David_Wyatt on Aug 17, 2010 8:05 AM EDT
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PrintWith the old saying four eyes are better than two etc, just going to go through a few things that I came away from that game thinking. Some are similar to John's, some are different:
- Lets give Clemens his due, stat line doesn't really matter however people give him such a hard time, it's only right you recognize when he looks good. I thought he looked pretty good, stepping up into the pocket, reading the D. His timing was pretty good, and he put it in the right spots nearly the entire showing. He overthrew Santonio but he looked a lot better than usual and in comparison to the other Mark and Kevin who were playing 3rd stringers, he looked head and shoulders better, Holmes or no Holmes.
- LT still has the moves. He had a couple of really nice plays but the check down option in the passing game is going to be priceless. He has great recognition of when to sit, and having that man open should limit Sanchez's mistakes, as long as he doesn't force it like he did on the first pass. He also showed some burst on the TD that was pulled back.
- Sanchez looked decent, he didn't get pressured a great deal but he zipped a few passes in, and it looks like him and Braylon have a great understanding. Braylon looked terrific, hands were solid. Cotchery reliable as ever and Holmes looked fantastic. This passing game has a ton of potential to be a great one.
- I thought the defence looked fantastic. Cro allowed very little room and his length showed that he's going to get his hands on the ball a lot this season. He needs to bring them in but he showed great instincts for the ball. Wilson also looked very good, was keeping an eye on his coverage even when the ball wasn't heading that way, and when people said you got a "cover corner", they meant it. Was sticking to his receivers well.
- I saw a significant improvement by Gholston last night. He had pressures, spotted him using a swim move, as well as his bull and some speed stuff. He looked more hungry last night and a few times he came through the line quickly. When he did play as a down lineman, against some rush plays he held his ground well. Credit where it is due, he looked better.
- I thought JT was good, but Pace was the guy that really stood out for me. No idea of his stat line, but he was breaking to the ball with lightning speed. Once he gets around the line, he gets down to the ball carrier very quickly. Was really good to see that, and no surprises the giants went 3 and out so often against our first stringers.
- It's no secret that Drew Coleman is not a good player. Let's not go too overboard with it though, we were manning up in coverage, it was a real test for Coleman and Lowery, and it's a test they failed. Lowery is better facing the play as a nickel or like most want to see, a safety. He has some serious trouble with his timing when running with a receiver and trying to locate the football. Coleman is just bad in my opinion.
- John Connor is good, but there were a couple of plays where I don't think he made much of a dent. Will need to go back and look at them, but I seem to remember saying that on a couple of occasions he really didn't clear any ground. Mostly though he was good, and one play he came and met a linebacker in the hole and knocked him back. You know he's got some power right there.
- Folk looked nervous to me last night, he missed that 40+ yarder and just sneaked a 36 yarder inside the post. Overall though I liked what I saw, his kick-offs were good and once he starts hitting his field goals the confidence will come back and we should be good to go.
- Offensive line didn't get much of a push at all, with anyone playing. So hard to judge all the RB's, with Mangold back I expect that to improve significantly. Slausen just needs some time as well, but his pass protection was top notch.
- Overall our starters looked great I thought, and out performed their starters. We came away with no injuries, and our new players look like they are picking up the play book quickly. It was a successful night in my opinion, and really happy with the performance of the 1's. If we stay healthy, we look like we will be as tough to beat as some are projecting. End of the day it's just game 1 of the pre-season.
- If you came away from that game disappointed.....well something is wrong.
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Clemens did not impress me at all.
I could’ve played QB in Clemens place and looked good if I had Santonio Freakin’ Holmes playing against Backups. C’MON, MAN….
He could throw for 400 yards with just David Clowney and people wouldn’t be happy. Can’t please everyone, he impressed me.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 17, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he did well but
he often has a good game and then drops back off the radar or pops back up with a terrible game. If he gets some consistancy then he’s worth a spot. If not I don’t see why we need to keep his project going and divert out efforts elsewhere.
It’s interesting that he got in before Brunell. Some writers had me believing he wouldn’t even see playing time. Maybe the Jets do intend to keep him, or maybe they’re showing him off for a potential trade.
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It might have been for a trade, but after seeing Brunell’s and O’Connell’s performances, I think we should think about keeping him.
Agreed
I think it was both, to show him off to teams to see if we can get anything back. However also to see how he does in comparison. Now that Ainge is probably MIA for some time, Brunell might be here for leadership but we need a QB who can at least move the chains and not lose us a game. It was good to see Rex him a fair crack last night, and it was even better to see him respond.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 17, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He looked good out there
and yeah, I would like to see how well you can perform if we were to insert you into Clemons spot last night
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Well thank you guys, but it’s really ok. Jetsfan29 is entitled to his opinion. I may disagree with his feeling I was too negative, but it comes with the territory. That’s part of what makes this site work. People aren’t always going to agree with me. It would be a lot more boring the other way.
I’m not shy telling you when I don’t like something somebody has written. You guys should always feel free to do the same with me.
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John B. – I didn’t mean to offend you man, you are a great writer and ganggreenation is by far my number one site for all things Jets. All I am saying is that, your last post came off on me a little negative (over all). You did very clearly point out all the good things we did last night, I just felt the post came off a little negative. But really, I do think you are an outstanding writer and again im sorry if I offended you.
Again, there’s absolutely no need to apologize. We can go back and forth. If you think I was negative, you’re entitled to that opinion. Maybe I’ll argue with you about it and we’ll have a little back and forth, but again that’s a good thing. I hope this is an environment where you don’t feel like you have to apologize for saying you think I stink (actual trolls notwithstanding).
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10 thoughts
1. Sanchez is getting to his third read, dumping it off , getting a few yards, rather than a disaster play
2. you have to love Sanchez’s mobility
3. Brad Smith playing a lot with the ones, did okay, the guy can block.
4. Holmes is better than I thought he was, just outstanding quickness, the man can run routes, Cotchery is as reliable as ever, ran routes that broke a few ankles.
5. It is only a matter of time, before LT and Greene break long ones in the running game.
LT still has it.
6.Little Danny Woodhead, I can’t believe it, not a bad third down back, was there on specials.
7. Looking very bad for David Clowney, Allison was Okay, Larry Taylor contributed as a receiver
8. Slauson did a credible job, got a lot of reps., IMO the holding call was questionable.
9.Turner is not a bad back up center, his back up Felix can’t play.
10. In the battle of TE’s , Keller seems to have chemistry with Sanchez, Hartsock had two offside penalties again, Mulligan made a nice catch.
Defense and special teams
1. Special teams looked like a strength, great on kickoffs
2. Folk good kickoffs, he missed a 46 yarder but hit on three others, good for me. LS was uneventful Tanner Purdam may be the answer.
3. Smith on the block, he may not be a starter but the can hit and the guy can play
4. Punting was good
5. Larry Taylor seems to be the return man, just medicore, but he catches the ball smoothly
6. Pouha, Jenkins, DeVito strong inside, just crushed the Giant run game early
7. Secondary without Revis is okay, Cromartie is a playmaker
8.Coleman is atrocious, but I think Cole and Brian Jackson show promise
9. Cummings is a hitter, Westerman played well, was exceptional on specials
10. Maybe no sacks, but giant QB’s had pressure and took some hits..
Yea one think I can say for certain now...
on the off chance we keep four RB’s (thats 6 if your counting FBs) Woodhead will make it over CWash.
Got me worried
Nothing got me worried about the game until Sorgi started to light up the Jets 3rd and 4th string DBs. I have been on the JETS side of the Revis thing the whole time, but without Revis our Depth is not that great. Hopefully things get worked out, because if CRO or Wilson get hurt we are in trouble.
I don’t think we would consistently play man-to-man with those guys in a regular game though. At the very least, we wouldn’t be so obvious about it. I didn’t see a lot of disguises with the blitzing. Most of the time, if the guy looked like he was coming, he went to the QB and never dropped back.
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I agree
I think Rex just left them out there exposed to see who had it them to play Jets type man to man… which gave us a little bit more incentive to get Revis back asap.
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by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how much it gives us incentive to go sign Revis, because conversely with Wilson and Cro. out there being left to do the same thing, Manning looked awful, I mean take away the Bradshaw screen, which had nothing to do with the coverage, and Manning was 3-7 for 26 yards. The bottom line might be we need a better #5 CB regardless of Revis’ return or not.
Bradshaw screen was just a very good improv play. No harm, no foul.
But when Revis signs our #2 CB becomes a #3. Right now we have two worthy starting CB’s in Wilson and Cro. The Garcon’s and Welker’s of the league have shown us how our Nickle might alter our season. After Revis, Cro, and Wilson, we are back to what we had last year. I think we can live with Lowery as #4, just not #3.
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by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 17, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We can certainly use Revis, no question...
I’m just saying Cro and Wilsons play was more a sign we don’t need him to have a great defense. Lets face it no matter how bad Coleman and Lowery did (baring major injuries) they wouldn’t be in those positions in an actual game situations. They would would only be in in obvious passing situations with more help.
Overall pleased
Thought the first string looked good. I will say that, in evaluating the backup QBs, Clemens played much better than the other guys (I know that he used Holmes against backups – I know that). That’s not to say that Clemens looked great, but Brunnell looked like he couldn’t throw the ball more than 10 yards, and O’Connell looked like a guy who belongs on the field in the fourth quarter of a preseason game! I would put Clemens in as the #2 behind Sanchez, with Brunnell as the 3rd string “emergency” QB. His arm just looks shot.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Oh btw, I would not be surprised if James Ihedigbo is one of the team leaders in sacks this, did you see how Rex was using him on long passing downs, man was flying into the back field and could not be stopped.
Agreed
Ihedigbo was a nice surprise last night.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
I agree on Conner.
I reviewed his play this morning and I have a few points. First, he seems to be at his best when bulling ahead past the line and meeting LBs with great controled contact and pop. However, I found on too many ocassions he thought too much when having assignments at the line. Early in the game you will find him spun around with his back facing the D watching the line block. He will get chewed out for that. No coach will tolerate a rook watching a play instead of popping sombody. It’s easy to see that the moment might have been too big for him. All the attention he got on Hard Knocks might have played with him a bit.
What does all this mean? Nothing. He showed huge upside, strength and the ability to use his head in place of brawn. He will find the balance between the two. And with a great front five taking care of the point of attack, he will be invaluble to Greene and LDT in getting him extra yards at the second level. Of all the young players on the team he has the best mentor in Richardson. I will really enjoy watching him progress.
by colinyoung on Aug 17, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
Another point on Kyle Wilson.
I really liked his coverage ability. He can keep up with speed and solid route running. He read short routes with decent reaction times and wrapped up solid in the open field. All in all, I think he understood the weight of the moment and played a safe game. Not wanting to give up anything over the top he seemed to give the WR a little extra room to operate. He has a preety solid lower body but a little smaller compared to Devin McCourty who was drafted one or two picks pryor by NE. Which I actually count as a plus. What makes Revis so good is his powerfull legs. He can out leap any WR and challenge for the ball at its highest point and can also use his legs to power through the WR’s cuts and keep up with a quick pace. Its the biggest thing I hope Kyle takes from number 24. I would also like to see him use his hands a bit more at the point of the catch. Use good timing with jammin your hands in the WR’s bread basket to break up the WR’s concentration. One thing I know he is not is a thumper. He would rather execute a solid wrap up than go for the big hit. And you can’t teach that. Very solid showing from him.
by colinyoung on Aug 17, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
The biggest difference I saw the other day...
When Pace hit Manning, he IMMEDIATELY changed direction and looked for the ball. I am beating a dead horse here, but when Rhodes got to the QB last year, he started celebrating before the play even stopped. I now feel ALL 11 players are out there looking for blood. If that changes a fan’s confidence I can only imagine how that might change the players.
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by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 17, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Just think.
Manning’s injury is getting some serious coverage in the media. As awfull as it is to watch. You have to think that the rest of this league will sit up and take notice of the ability and feral nature of the defense if they have not already. I have no doubt that the image of Eli’s head being snapped back and cracked open like a pinata will send shivers down alot of coaches spines. That defense wants to pin their ears back and hunt. I have a feeling at least one or two more QB’s will have to pay a blood toll this year.
by colinyoung on Aug 17, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather not have that.
Let’s just sack the QB so he’ll feel the pressure.
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At the very least, you don’t wanna make a mistake against this defense.
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Thats exactly what im talking about.
Giants fan should thank their lucky stars that Jim didn’t go for a solid hit. And for that matter, Pace did a good job of avoiding a clear helmet to helmet shot. Eli’s gonna have some serious whiplash this week.
As for my previous post, I don’t want it misunderstood that I actually want to see any players get hurt cause I really don’t like to see that at all.
by colinyoung on Aug 17, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
One thought on Revis (This one is for crackback)
You state we NEED Revis because he’s a phenomenal talent; elite to the point his demands to be the highest paid CB are justifiable in your view.
IMHO I believe Cro showed that Revis “elite” status comes from Sexy Rexy’s defensive schemes. Cro looked absolutely Revis-ish. Shutting down Nicks for 1 catch, could he have maintained that throughout a game? I’d have to answer with a resounding “YES!”.
We NEED Revis in the sense that we don’t want either Coleman nor Lowery as our 3rd CB. I hope Revis caught the game last night and realized all of his accolades are because his talents are perfectly suited for the defensive scheme we run. GET IN CAMP REVIS and LET’S MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
I flatly disagree.
What you saw last night was not the truth. Don’t drink the kool-aid just yet. We won’t know how good these guys are until the regular season, when teams are trying to attack them, rather than going through the motions and working off a script.
What we saw last night was not the real Giants passing attack. While I’m encouraged that those guys didn’t suck last night, saying Wilson is legit or that Cro is in league with Revis is way too premature.
by Crackback on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe we won the game where it mattered
our ones vs. their ones, we won the game 13-10 and thats all that matters
Agree, but it should have been much more
The one stat line that stood out for me was the Giants starters had 1 yard rushing.
Grades on some of the new guys
Cro A-, should have had at least one interception, maybe two
LDT A, he looked great, not enough holes were made for him.
Kyle Wilson B+, was really watching him, thought he played a little safe by playing a little farther off his man then he should had, but overall, great job by a rookie
Jason Taylor B-, did not see enough pressure from him.
Nick Folk B+, he needs to hit those long field goals, but I love his kickoffs, way deeper then what Feely use to give us.
Holmes A, he tore up some inferior cornor backs, but did you really watch his route running.
Slausen B, thought he did ok, felt he got a raw deal on his holding call that brought back LDT touchdown
dead on
I’d agree w/that assessment, all in all I’d say our starters looked great, but that second team secondary…we gotta do something about that.
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by Lord Smackington on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't be disappointed
I agree with everything you wrote wyatt. It’s too early to be worried or disappointed about anything. a little off topic.. on the wfan ive been hearing a few ppl including joe and evan giving fireman ed a hard time. Is it jealousy? is the guy actually an a-hole? I dont see why anyone unless they had a serious personal reason, would hate the guy.
Same ol "Scare Cro"
How quick we are to forget the playoff game against the Chargers last year. I saw Cromartie shy away from contact every time a ball carrier was around him last night. And he dropped two picks.
His coverage was perfect though, and I don’t really see how you can say he shied away from contact, or not. I mean the ball never really got to the second level of the defense except on the Bradshaw play, when he was in the game.
lol it’s hard to tackle someone if you prevent them from catching the football. The catch that was caught in front of him he wrapped up and didn’t allow progress…..don’t have to deliver a massive hit to be effective as a corner. He was fine last night, no shying away from contact as far as I can see.
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maybe you guys should go back and watch the game again. 2 or 3 different times the ball carrier was coming right at him, and he wanted no part of them. Especially, as you said, the Bradshaw run. By the way, he dropped 2 picks last night. Im just sayin’….
Int’s are just icing on the cake, if he was that good at catching he’d be a receiver. You look at it as he dropped to interceptions, what you should be noticing is he broke up to receptions.
That was just an add-on, my main point is this guy has ALWAYS been soft and still is. Do you not remember last year’s playoff game? Again, go back and watch the game from last night, 2 or 3 times he avoided contact or any attempt to tackle the ball carrier. His coverage was excellent, but his tackling was not and is going to be somewhat of a problem this year. Same thing everybody made fun of him for after last year’s game.
They weren’t easy ones and that’s the first live game action in this complicated D, give the guy a break. His coverage was spot on, and that’s what we want from our corners. I also went back to check his “shying away from contact” and must of been watching something different, because I don’t think he did at all. He certainly wasn’t flinging his body in there (I’d prefer he doesn’t in the pre-season) but he certainly was doing nothing that warranted criticism. In fact focusing just on him impressed me even more with his performance. Good instincts, great movement and understanding of the play, and fantastic length. Can’t wait to see more of him.
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If you think he wasn’t shying away from Bradshaw, you are flat out in denial. You’re acting like him being soft isn’t the stigma he carries around with him. What did you think of him after last year’s playoff game when he refused to make any attempt to tackle Greene on his TD run? Now he’s on the team, so you choose to ignore that? Mark my words, he will be a hated man by the end of the season after he gives up x amount of big plays in which running backs run right by him and he doesn’t do a damn thing. As I said, his coverage was excellent, but his tackling is, was, and will always be terrible. There’s a difference between not being a great tackler and being flat out SOFT. We’ll see.
That wasn’t what it was about, I criticized him as much as anyone after that play in San Diego but that was last season. I’m not ignoring it but I’m not going to drag it out every single time I want to take a shot or have a moan at a player. He does need to toughen up a little bit, and he does need to be more solid in run support, and he has even admitted that. However judging him and criticizing him after an impressive début is flat out nit picking and not going to say he hasn’t made any improvements on what he highlighted as his weaknesses after one game where it was not blatant or obvious at all.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 17, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, after looking around at some other blogs and forums, this is one of the only ones I’ve came across where people didn’t notice Cro “back peddling” and “getting out of the way on 3 different plays” as one guy put it. Glad to know there are other people out there who aren’t bias and pointed that out. Once the season begins, we’ll see what he’s made of and what “changes” and “improvements” he’s made.
i know I'm late, but we got Cro to play corner back.
Deion Sanders not only stayed away from contact, he glorified it by saying he’s making business decision by not being physical. Funny, how no one relates him to being soft.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Aug 18, 2010 7:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please tell me you’re not comparing Deion Sanders and Scare Cro lol. Cromartie had ONE good year INT’s wise. I hope you’re kidding…
He’s not comparing their careers, just a portion of their playing style, Sanders didn’t want anything to do with contact either. He’s not saying Cro is as good.
Seems you have a real problem with Cro? as you joined here just to complain about him, are you a Jets fan or a San Diego fan? just wondering.
Also the bigger question on that Jacobs TD should be how did DeVito and Leonhard both get hands on him and not bring him down.
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by David_Wyatt on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully...
Someone can light up Brunell, he gets a concussion… and we put him on IR! PROBLEM SOLVED!
Outstanding
I think the Jets starters looked outstanding. They held the Giants starters to 1 yard rushing (welcome back Big Jenks!) and 77 yards passing. Remember, 51 of those yards were on a busted play where Manning was about to get his head torn off. Manning looked confused and rushed the entire time he played.
Other than the first throw, Sanchez looked better that I’ve ever seen him. Greene is a monster and LdT is an upgrade over Leon, not withstanding special teams. Braylon was catching balls like he had stickum on his hands, Cotchery is always great and I can’t wait until Santonio starts in October. The only negatives I saw were the penalties in the red zone. They’ll be fine once Nick gets back in there. Slauson did fine and I was impressed with the push from Ducasse, albeit against the second team. Special teams was only OK. I hope Revis comes back, but I think this team will be special without him.
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