The Rumored Contract Figures
by John B on Aug 11, 2010 7:59 AM EDT
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PrintGary Myers tells us he has the scoop as to what the sides in Darrelle Revis contract negotiations are.
This is how far apart holdout cornerback Darrelle Revis and the Jets are on 10-year proposals they each have on the table: A staggering $40 million.
And that doesn't even take into account the ongoing battle over signing bonus and guaranteed money.
If they can cut their differences down by $1 million per day between now and the Jets' opener on Sept. 13 against the Ravens, the gap will be still be $7 million.
The Daily News has learned the Jets have had a 10-year, $120 million offer on the table for months as one of their two proposals. Although the Jets continue to insist "we are flexible on how the guaranteed money is structured, including the areas of signing bonus, roster bonus and option bonus," they have not yet attached a specific dollar figure to any of those areas.
The Jets say they need to agree to the total compensation before negotiating the guarantees. It's hard to argue with a $120million deal that contains sufficient guaranteed money, which would be about $25 million-$30 million.
Revis has been looking to surpass Oakland's Nnamdi Asomugha as the highest-paid cornerback. Over the next two seasons, Asomugha will average $16.5 million. So do the math on a 10-year deal. That brings the number Revis wants in the $160million range. Guaranteed money? Probably about $30 million.
Assuming Myers' report is credible, and there's no reason to assume it isn't, that is where things stand. The $40 million gap is somewhat deceiving, though. Remember, in the NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. The deal will never be worth $120 million. Revis would never make it to the end of the deal (or a $160 million deal). Not knowing what the Jets offered in guaranteed money, it's tough to say how competitive the offer was. The original figures are just window dressing.
Revis' reps are claiming the Jets have never made an offer with guaranteed money. I have no insider information, but that's difficult to believe. This is the NFL. It's common logic that top flight players make a lot of guaranteed money in new contracts. It doesn't seem like the Jets would waste their time offering deals that weren't even remotely competitive.
I think Revis is worth it, but this is another example of why he is losing the PR war. His people are not making credible claims.
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This actually gives me some hope. Hard numbers, no matter how far apart, are always going to be easier to work with than vague rumors and character analysis.
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What the Jets should do with Revis
There should be compromise. I understand both sides!
Option 1.
Total Contract
130 million for ten years. (If you look at what the top corners are getting. 13 million a year is inline and fair, with bonus (leauge mvp, pro bowl, superbowl)
34 Million Guaranteed (If Revis was in the 2010 NFL draft, that is what he would receive if a top 5 pick and knowing what we know now, he’d be 1 or 2.
let him become the highest paid corner in the league with a contract escalator if we go to the Superbowl and Win. (I don’t think woody would mind paying him then, at all)
Everyone talks about what happen to Leon and that is on the mind of Revis, I’m sure it is on the Mind of Woody Johnson as well, if Leon did sign woody would be holding his breath right now hoping Leon is just 75 percent of the player he was before injury.
Option 2
It is about the team and being flexible, if he’s not willing to budge. I say
DON’T trade him, he’s under contract for 3 more years, so let him stay home keep fining him and make a point. Let him come back to the NFL at 28 with not playing football for 3 years and lets see anyone give him remotely near what he’s asking.
I’m a life long Jets fan and one of the idiots that paid 20,000 for the PSL. I would like nothing more then to see the Jets in a Superbowl, let alone win one. But, the me me attitude has to stop in the NFL and I’d be fine rooting for the Jets without Revis if that happens. Also, if we do go to the Superbowl and win without him, he can watch his Hall Of Fame dreams go up in smoke.
Jerry Rice said it best, Don’t ask what the game can give you, but what you can give the game.
by Jeffrey Karlovitch on Aug 11, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There’s a lot of BS being thrown around from one side or the other, or both. I really don’t know what to believe and I’m pretty much sick of this whole story.
That’s the way I feel. Mommy and Daddy, please stop fighting.
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I've tried to email Revis, but it just shuts down my computer.
And...
And please don’t get a divorce?
by Finhead83 on Aug 11, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Same
Same here. The part preventing it is I’m sure whatever team would trade for him would want to be able to negotiate a contract in advance, which would be hard if Revis’ camp really is wanting more than the Jets (or any teams interested in him) are willing to pay.
Trading Revis wouldn’t necessarily be bad depending on what they could get back for him, but that goes into much more speculation that isn’t even worth starting…
Good luck with that
Teams just don’t give up two first round picks now. The best I could imagine as far as picks is a #1 and maybe a #3.
The Jets would probably likely rather keep him for 3 years with him sitting out in hopes that he’d decide to bite the bullet than give him away for less than what he’s worth. If Revis was a RFA this year, he woulda gotten that 1st and 3rd tag and the Jets would have matched whatever offer someone gave for him in half a second. He’s a once-in-a-generation talent—you don’t trade him away for anything.
Revis’ reps are claiming the Jets have never made an offer with guaranteed money. I have no insider information, but that’s difficult to believe.
The Jets say they need to agree to the total compensation before negotiating the guarantees.
Well that answers that, sounds like Revis agent has no clue what’s going on, and they are fixated with the over all number which he would never get to anyway.
Schwartz is spinning this as the Jets not being willing to offer guaranteed money, which is disingenuous. It would be very idiotic for him to get too hamstrung on the cosmetic dollar figures Darrelle would never see.
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It looks petty and childish on the agents’ part. Just because there’s no specific guaranteed money yet doesn’t mean there won’t be. They want to agree on the total before coming to the guaranteed part.
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I've tried to email Revis, but it just shuts down my computer.
I heard yesterday 5 mil guar on 100 mil
which is crazy but makes no sense at all. Whyeven waste the paper to write it on he won’t accept that.
Yea I agree there has to guar money to think otherwise doesn’t make sense, to me anyway.
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Those contract numbers
To me, those contract numbers are unimpressive because it is doubtful Revis would finish the 10 year contract. The main focal point in that rumor would be the amount of guaranteed money. In this contract he averages $12 million per year which is low, considering Clements gets $10 million. If Revis wanted to be the highest paid, I’d imagine he’d be wanting a deal close to $110 over 7 years with $35-50 million as a signing bonus.
12M per year is low? Dude this guy is a freakin’ CORNER. Not a franchise left tackle. Not a premier pass rusher that DC’s take valium to gameplan against. Not a quarterback or explosive RB who wins games by himself. He is a corner. I love our coach, but half the problem here is Rex running his mouth all year about how important this guy is. There’s a reason this position doesn’t command top dollar. They don’t impact the game enough to warrant big money.
by nationalist88 on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
12M per year
For the current market where Asomugha is paid over $15M and Clements gets $10M, yes I would say Revis wants more than $12M. For better or for worse, the market has been set.
Why are people so damn thickheaded
that they can’t grasp one simple fact. Nnamdi Asomugha was an unrestricted free agent, or he was approaching that. Nate Clements was an unrestricted free agent. They paid their dues. They played out their entire contracts. With Nnamdi I think he was even franchised two times. They played their contract out, got to the open market, and that’s why they are both so overpaid. The Jets aren’t going to bid against themselves when it is impossible for Revis to play on another NFL team unless we say he can. Getting to the open market changes literally everything. It makes no difference who deserves what and who is better. Darrelle Revis has 3 years left on his contract and he expects to become the highest paid player in the NFL without any leverage. Sorry moron (Revis, not you finhead), it doesn’t work like that.
by dookiehead on Aug 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Asomugha and the CBs
Very few top tier players ever play out their rookie contracts. Asomugha never hit the open market either because he was hit with the franchise tag and never had the opportunity to negotiate with other teams. The Raiders were bidding against themselves when they made that contract offer as well. I’d like to think players would play out the remainder of their contracts, but it’s not so common anymore. I can’t blame them too much though when so much of their contracts aren’t guaranteed and the owners can void (release them) at any time.
Yeah but Nnamdi wad about to become a free agent.
He was approaching FA, which Revis isn’t even close to doing. The point is that Nnamdi played long enough to get franchised, which means he was close enough to free agency to leverage a new deal. Revis isn’t. He will get a new deal, but he can’t expect to be paid like Nnamdi when he doesn’t have any leverage like Nnamdi did. Revis can’t go anywhere, Asomugha leaving was a very real possibility without a new contract.
Start the radio silence
I would LOVE both sides to stop talking about this completely. He said, She said is not beneficial. Who pays in the end for this? The FANS. No matter who started this, now the sides only leverage is getting the everyday fan behind them. You want to use us? Then I want to see the meeting live on SNY.
News Flash to Jets and Revis: NO ONE has leverage. Revis, you are under contract and if you want to make any more money for your family, find a middle ground. Tanny, a super bowl chance gets better with Revis, find a middle ground.
Tanny, on a side note: No more players under Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod… for MY health.
Word.
by Jerricho ToonWalker on Aug 11, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
The Jets have all the leverage.
You can have a really successful team without winning the superbowl, especially from an ownership standpoint. I don’t believe Woody Johnson is using that line of thought though. This defense will be a top 6 or 7 defense in the NFL without Revis, mark my words. Combine that with what should be a good offense for the first time in a long time, there is no reason the Jets can’t still be a playoff team.
So coach says that Cro and Wilson look great, and now we don’t need Revis to be a playoff team.
Are you serious? Do you really buy that?
Yup.
You think the Jets will be 7-9 if Shonn Greene has an amazing year and Sanchez is really good. Are you serious? Do you really buy that?
I mean, is Sanchez is good,
and Greene has a breakout year, this offense is at the least in the top 10 in the NFL.
You might think Revis will cause this defense to crumble. Me? I put my faith in the defensive mastermind who has been doing thing for decades, not the guy who had his career year under the defensive minded mastermind who has been doing this for decades.
You didn't answer me.
You said last night that if Mark Sanchez has a good year and Shonn Greene has a great year, the Jets go 7-9 without Revis. So, I will ask what you asked me, do you really buy that?
It has nothing to do with what I hope. I said if what you said happens (Sanchez has a good year, Greene a great one), the offense will be at least top 10. This is not me hoping this will happen, this is me laying out the scenario you presented me with, which was Greene having a great year and Sanchez a good one. So, if you really actually think about it, you think the Jets will be 7-9 under those circumstances? Seriously? Again, Rex has never had a defense worse then 6th, and none of those defenses had anybody named Revis. Yes, they had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, and they lost them both for 10 and 8 weeks respectively a couple years back and they still had a top 5 defense. This is what Rex Ryan does. This defense will be really good without Revis, and it has a chance to be a generational type defense with him.
OMFG that ridiculous...
Revis not being with the team would make no more than a 1 game difference for this team in the regular season, if that. Now I do think the playoffs is a different story, we are not stoping Indy without him. But Crack you over value Revis so much its insane, I do understand how good he is, but you know he’s only responsible for one player on offense.
This Has To Stop!
I am just glad that Revis isnt in his driveway doing sit ups with no shirt on for the media—-that would hurt more…..
I would like to see Woody stop grandstanding in front of the cameras…take the high road Woody, try this—“I have no comment on Revis (Harris or mangold), I just want to assure our fans that we are doing everything we can within future salary cap requirements to get our players in camp”. PERIOD! Stop chatting with Jermy Schaap and anyone else who will stick a mic in your grill.
Yeah have to agree with Namath
Sorry, but in all of this it isn’t till now that we even get figures. As fans we do have a stake in this and would like information. Not that I think what we get from either side is 100% accurate mind you. By throwing all this out into the open maybe this whole issued gets moved along as the truth starts coming out.
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What a baby. I can’t wait for Kyle Wilson to prove his worth and for the Jets to start the season 6-1. Then Revis will come crawling back asking for $5 million just to get on the turf. Jets have the upper hand in this. 3 years on the contract. 3 viable options behind Revis. Fining Revis 16k daily. He has no leverage. Al Davis?!? No.
Yes he has no leverage
I think this is maybe the dumbest holdout ever, the only thing that isnt surely making it so is the guy’s obvious beastly skill set.
IMO
As Colin Cowherd Said...
It’s like a kid running away from home. He might make it to the end of the driveway. Maybe the end of the block. He might go hide in the park for an hour. But he’s always welcome back home. And eventually he’ll come back. It’s just that when he gets there, there might not be any meatballs left.
It's all about the guaranteed dollar bills
Screw the rolling guaranteed and the contract length and total figure they mean absolutely nothing. Breaking News the Jets offer Revis and 400 year deal that could total 12 billion dollars.
IMO
30 million a year?
Not bad? What’s the salary cap hit ;)
It pays 1mil the first year
And then 10mil in year 2 and 3. The big money takes about 100 years to kick in. And the signing bonus is a peanut, with roster bonuses of about 20 percent of the annual pay
IMO
This is what I was worried about and why I think Revis isn't justified
If Revis is really holding out over an additional $40 million over 10 years ($4 million/year), that just looks selfish. Woody/Mr. T are not going to be stupid about guaranteed money, after all they gave him a combo of $17 million on his rookie contract in signing bonus + guarantee. I’m sure if Revis would agree to 10/120 Woody would be willing to guarantee a reasonable chunk of that
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by blueandorange4life on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
I for one am frustrated but not at all worried. I think there are a lot of people underestimating Kyle Wilson. After watching his entire career through BSU you’re all going to be pretty suprised. That kid will be better than Revis and he’s such an all around good person with smart people backing him up you won’t see him holding out in years to come. Let Revis sit out this season.. sure it hurts but I want to know how he feels after the Jets give Mangold and Harris contracts just beecause they showed up to camp not acting like sissy lala’s. Way to shove it to the fans Revis… we love you to. The biggest dissapointment for me is I wanted Kyle Wilson to be able to learn from Revis… Cro will do though and things will soon be known as Kyle Island.
"Better than Revis"
Bold statement. I like the optimism, but that’ll be tough considering Darrelle has potential to be the greatest corner of this generation.
Could the Jets have the TOP TWO corners in the league?? Hope you’re right.
you my gut feeling is that if kyle does well (also assuming revis has signed and playing with the jets) and santonio holmes and braylon does well cro might be the odd man out
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Aug 11, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
I am torn on something.....I heard the Jets are opened to
having the negoations filmed on hard knocks and Revis camp said no way. At first I thought the Jets were trying to exploit their player (for lack of a better word) but I am not so sure I still feel that way.
What if the Jets are trying to be legit about this and let the fans decide who is right and wrong and Revis camp is afraid Revis will come off looking greedy or in a terrible light? I am not sure how to read into this.
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What are some of your thoughts??
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negoations filmed on hard knocks and Revis camp said no way
I think you’ve got this wrong. “Hard Knocks” is allowed to film whatever they want, including negotiations at the facility. Since Revis isn’t at camp, they wanted to find him and film him where he is, but apparently, his agents said no. In the past, the crew has been able to shoot holdouts like Larry Johnson and Andre Smith away from the team. We’ll find out for sure tonight if the Revis camp actually denied NFL Films or not.
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I've tried to email Revis, but it just shuts down my computer.
Well some of you more privileged folk might, I don't have HBO....lol
I have to illegally download it if I want to watch hard knocks….I will watch it tomorrow but if one of the mods can post about what they said on the show, I would apperciate it very much.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Yeah I heard something about Revis camp turning down hard knocks
but I was not sure on the details, thanks for clearing that up
Since the face been revealed the game got real
no way
10 years at 120 million? Are the jets crazy, I would offer 65 million for 5 years, even though I still think that’s too much. He’ll be 30 yrs old then and we’ll see what Mevis has. Getting 60 million at age 31-35 are they nuts.
Depending on the bonus
Depending on the size of the signing bonus, $65M over 5 years is a better deal for Revis because it’s more annual money. I think Revis understands he would never see all the money on a 10 year deal. That is why the guaranteed portion will be crticial. A 10 year $120M deal with a low signing bonus could turn into nothing more than a $50M deal over 5 years and the rest of the $70M is money he’ll never see.
The Deal is an absolute slap in the face.
10 yrs is ridiculously unrealistic. So unrealistic that it should be ignored. The only thing thats relevant is the 12M per. The Jets threw the 10 yr term on there purely to make it look like a huge contract. NOBODY has 10 yr deals.
The real term would be about 6 yrs, maybe 7 tops. At 12M per, thats a total value of 72M-84M. Not impressive at all for the best corner in the league. Its actually a slap in the face.
Add to that that they offered NO guaranteed cash, of course Revis has taken the stance that he has. Its a lowball, slap in the face, offer.
Jets need to get real and offer something like 6 yrs at 16M per (96M total) with some real guaranteed cash.
I have trouble believing you are a real Jets fan
seeing how you seems to care about Revis more than the Jet’s ability to keep other players like Harris, Mangold, Holmes, Cromartie etc. No cornerback, even if he is Deon Sanders and Ronnie Lott combined, is worth that kind of money. 160 M is for the Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady’s of the world, not for a CB, even if he is the best.
by secret defense on Aug 12, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Keeping Revis is in the team’s best interest, in my opinion. If he takes the 12M per rather than the 16M per. Is that extra 4M per going to let us sign Mangold, Harris, Edwards, Holmes and Cromartie.
Be realistic. Stop drinking the kool-aid. The Jets should take care of the guys they’ve developed and try to sign any others that can help them win. Whether thats our current mercs or future mercs.
I suggest you read this
http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/05/09/salary-cap-update-can-the-jets-extend-everybody/
it’s not by any stretch an impossibility to resign most of these guys.
by secret defense on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll take well researched projections from the author of that article
over rash conjectures of what some player is worth anyday. Also the article has been more than generous with the amount Brick will make. They assume 10M/yr with half (30M) guarenteed, whereas he signed a 9.2M/yr deal with 47% “guarenteed” (aka only performance guarenteed, if he gets injured, only $5.3M is guarenteed).
by secret defense on Aug 12, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
This "leak" is actually so comical that I'm positive a deal will get done within the next 2 weeks.
A 10 yr term is beyond silly. Its almost as if their trying to shock the fanbase, then they can lessen the term and increase his per year take and make each other look reasonable by coming down from the initial overall figure.
What we should do with REVIS
There should be compromise. I understand both sides!
Option 1.
Total Contract
130 million for ten years. (If you look at what the top corners are getting. 13 million a year is inline and fair, with bonus (leauge mvp, pro bowl, superbowl)
34 Million Guaranteed (If Revis was in the 2010 NFL draft, that is what he would receive if a top 5 pick and knowing what we know now, he’d be 1 or 2.
let him become the highest paid corner in the league with a contract escalator if we go to the Superbowl and Win. (I don’t think woody would mind paying him then, at all)
Everyone talks about what happen to Leon and that is on the mind of Revis, I’m sure it is on the Mind of Woody Johnson as well, if Leon did sign woody would be holding his breath right now hoping Leon is just 75 percent of the player he was before injury.
Option 2
It is about the team and being flexible, if he’s not willing to budge. I say
DON’T trade him, he’s under contract for 3 more years, so let him stay home keep fining him and make a point. Let him come back to the NFL at 28 with not playing football for 3 years and lets see anyone give him remotely near what he’s asking.
I’m a life long Jets fan and one of the idiots that paid 20,000 for the PSL. I would like nothing more then to see the Jets in a Superbowl, let alone win one. But, the me me attitude has to stop in the NFL and I’d be fine rooting for the Jets without Revis if that happens. Also, if we do go to the Superbowl and win without him, he can watch his Hall Of Fame dreams go up in smoke.
Jerry Rice said it best, Don’t ask what the game can give you, but what you can give the game.
by Jeffrey Karlovitch on Aug 11, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
Here is a question I have.
Rex Ryan made Revis from a top 20 corner into the best in the NFL. He went from very good to elite. What’s too say Rex can’t do the same thing with other very good, but not great cornerbacks? I know everybody thinks Revis is the man, which he is, but you guys don’t think the fact that we got pressure on the QB every single play, even without sacking him had a massive impact on Revis being able to cover number ones? The reason he wasn’t as good under Mangini as he is under Rex was because Rex blitzes so much, Mangini never blitzed. It works both ways. You can blitz so much because you have faith in Revis to stick a guy one on one for about 2 or 3 seconds until the QB has to throw it, but Revis is also so successful in covering guys because he only has to cover them for a quick amount of time, because of that blitz.
Bottom line, I want to see Cromartie and Wilson under Rex Ryan before I am ready to admit Revis is a prophet and we should give him a world shattering, most likely future hamstringing contract.
This is a great point
The Jets aren’t going to bid against themselves when it is impossible for Revis to play on another NFL team unless we say he can."
-Dookiehead
Worth noting again so people don’t miss it. The Jets are bidding against themselves. He’s not a free agent. He has no ground to stand on. The only thing he can say is ’I’m your best player.’
Point is: THE JETS HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. REVIS DOESN’T.
by Travis_6 on Aug 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The option is the very real risk of flushing your superbowl season down the toilet. Cro hasn’t been good for 2 yrs. Maybe it was because he was playing zone, maybe he’s just not that good. Wilson is a rookie who probably won’t be reliable for at least half the season.
Also, you now are officially not to be trusted by the players. After Leon getting traded after injury, Faneca getting cut on draft day without prior notice and after making the Pro Bowl, TJ getting cut after rushing for a career best 1400 yards, and a broken promise to take care of Revis, none of the players will feel comfortable that the Jets will take care of them when its their time and they will take the hard line to get what they can while they can.
three things I can glean from this post
1) Revis’ agents are using the total compensation issue to make up the guaranteed money excuse. (It could be the other way around, but figuring out total compensation first makes a whole lot of common sense).
2) All this ‘Teams never honor the contract thing is BS’. Both sides agree to the contract, the team knowing they will lose out and waste all that guaranteed money if the player doesn’t perform, and the player KNOWING he will lose out on the non-guaranteed money if HE doesn’t perform. So this holding out stuff is total BS.
3) the total compensation figure doesn’t really matter to anyone except the agent, because it gives him bragging rights.
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