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Why Nnamdi Asomugha's Contract Matters

A lot of people seem to feel Darrelle Revis' representation should disregard the crazy contract the Raiders gave Nnamdi Asomugha in determining market value for a top flight corner. Asomugha got $45.3 million over 3 years. It blew up the market for corners. It might even go higher if his base salary is less than the franchise tag number for quarterbacks. In that case he will get the tag number (the average of the top five salaries at the position).

Was it an unreasonable deal? Yes, but I understand why Revis would consider it. Think about your job. You might be happy with your salary. Imagine if somebody whose work was inferior to yours got a raise and made more money than you. Imagine you understood that person was getting way more than anybody at your job should get. Would that make a difference? Your employer showed that other person respect by giving them that crazy raise. You would probably wonder where your raise is and feel like your employer doesn't value you as much as that inferior worker. That would upset you. It would upset me. Respect is noted by money in the business world. Football is a business. Football is a business, and Darrelle Revis is better than Nnamdi Asomugha.

You might argue the crazy Asomugha contract ties the Raiders down and will prevent them from having a good team. It is too much for a nonquarterback. You might argue Revis should take less so the Jets can build a winning team around him. I would be inclined to agree to a certain extent, but it's natural for Revis to compare his salary to Asomugha's. It's human nature, not totally unreasonable.

Mike Tannenbaum is a creative guy. We should all hope he can figure out a way to satisfy all sides.

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Its a good argument..

However to say that Asomugha’s work is “inferior” in any way to Revis isn’t exactly true. Nnamdi has been considered the best CB for several years. Revis, has had 1 true season where he was elite.

Given Revis talent, its probably he’ll continue his elite level of playing and eventually surpass Asomugha, but at this point, arguing 1 year over several is a weak argument.

Revis deserves to be paid, I think everyone realizes that. But he hasn’t earned Asomugha type money….. and for that matter, as everyone knows, Nnamdi didn’t earn that kinda money either.

Hell, do you see Punters across the league trying to get Raider’s Punter money? No, and there is a reason for it.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

No

The media only caught on last year, but Revis has not been elite for one year.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Jets fans have know how good he was for years, I was pissed at his rating in last years Madden

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi perhaps has had a longer track record, but at this moment, Revis is the top dog in the league. Last year matters, which is added to an excellent career.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense, but as a fan in the same division.

If Revis was a elite as Nnamdi, I damn well would have known more about him prior to last year….

Revis may have been a good DB, but it wasn’t until last year that he actually became an Elite DB. And last year, he had the best year any DB has ever had. If he has another year like that or even close to that, I’m willing to call him the best in the league no questions asked.

But I can’t bring myself to do that after just 1 season of being Elite.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, you're crazy if you think he was only elite last year.

Second of all, it doesn’t matter. The organization has publicly stated that he is the best in the league. Therefore, he justifiably feels that he should be compensated more than the 2nd best DB, in the Jets organization opinion, in the league.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps your 28th ranked Passing Defense in 2008

was the reason he wasn’t seen as Elite?

The Jets still aren’t going to make an irresponsible business move that will hamstring their organization to overpay one player.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It had nothing to do with him. It was the inability to cover tight ends and the empty cupboard at the second corner slot. I mean the team was trotting out Ty Law opposite Revis at points that yaer.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am very familiar about not being able to cover TE's :)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you pay the man rather than lose the identity of your defense and, hence, your team.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, but how many other cogs in your defense do you lose

by paying the man?

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows? Why do we assume its any? I don’t know the budget. If you go over the cap, you pay a penalty, but i don’t think contracts are rejected because of it.

Do you think Woody is really gonna play chicken with Revis this year and risk everything going to hell? Especially after all the Superbowl shit everybody in the organization has been talking.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think eventually a deal gets done.

But I stand by my opinion that Revis won’t get paid more than Nnamdi. Maybe more guaranteed money, but the yearly amount won’t be more.

And if they overpay Revis, what makes you think that the other guys wanting contracts won’t want to get overpaid as well? The Jets will have set a precedent, and Agents will take notice no doubt.

Not to mention, you think Woody will want to pay an extra fine? Even with all the Superbowl talk, Woody isn’t going to put all of his chips in for one year….and if it busts what happens?

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree the deal will get done.

I think its already done and theyre playing this game for Hard Knocks to help market the brand.

But if Revis won’t budge, Woody will pay. He already put to many eggs into this season to let it tank. Its too risky to start the season with Revis on the sideline.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never thought about the Hard Knocks angle....

That does make for good TV.

But doesn’t it alienate the fans a little?
Although, as I type that I also realize that the moment he nabs a INT or shuts down a #1 WR the fans will love him again.

If Revis doesn’t budge, and holds out for several or many games in the season. Woody will trade. He won’t overpay.
No respectable Front Office is going to hamstring their team for years possibly, especially given the state of next years CBA.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he gets traded it will be before the season starts. Maybe 1 game if theyre playing chicken.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that will happen.

I think they’d take it right up to the Trade Deadline in an effort to save him.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only a bad team could get him. No competitve team can afford to give him what he wants.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

in Madden? Are you kidding me?!?!

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing off John B’s post that the media didn’t recognize Revis as elite last in last years Madden. So just an example of that. What part of that post is throwing you into a hissy fit?

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Its a conditioned response :)

Anytime anyone brings up Madden in relation to real football, I go off my rocker lol.

The Madden Generation (and I love Madden, don’t get me wrong, I play all day), is really hurting kids understanding of the game…. too many correlate Madden Rankings or Fantasy Football rankings to the real skill of players in the NFL.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem yeah normally madden ratings don’t mean anything to me. After rereading my post I could of qualfied it better to make my point.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still jumped on you unnecessarily :)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I didn't realize at first

Knowing your a Dolphins fan now I would of handled that a little different. J/K

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.... Its all good :)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think FF is far worse...

at least with Madden its more than just stats, and it helps them learn the workings of the game.

by Judgegavel on Aug 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats true.

Madden can give you a basic overview of coverages… albeit just the basics.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is certainly worth alot.

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, Nobody!

by tlrpsu on Aug 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a Good Argument

“Think about your job. You might be happy with your salary. Imagine if somebody whose work was inferior to yours got a raise and made more money than you. Imagine you understood that person was getting way more than anybody at your job should get. Would that make a difference? Your employer showed that other person respect by giving them that crazy raise. You would probably wonder where your raise is and feel like your employer doesn’t value you as much as that inferior worker. That would upset you.”

Revis and Nnamd do not have the same employer, two employers two different policies regarding pay. You might want to paid the same, but not being offered the same pay is not a sign of disrespect. They are two different organizations, with two different policies towards pay. Do not let this get personal, otherwise it will never be solved. This is from an former officer of a union.

by viguy007 on Aug 2, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunta Robinson

Well he got around 10 mil a year. The top players usually get over paid each year in free agency. Even though Dunta Robinson is no where near the player Revis is he wasn’t able to get anywhere close to the NA contract.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

What if giving Revis more then NA meant the Jets couldn’t keep Mangold or Harris? Is that worth giving him that money?

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

No, if unreasonable demands lead to losing another top player who comes to work. I’m waving goodbye to Revis.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with the person at your job example

NA is “working” for a different company in a different state so its not like your boss gave the money to someone else and is playing hardball with you

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, should of read your message first. Just made the same point. My mistake.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem, I just did that to Matt a few days ago on accident.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows that Al Davis is a bonafide lunatic right now. No way in hell anyone else gives Nnamdi Asomugha that 15mil contract. It would be 12mil tops from anyone else. And someone should definitely remind Revis how saying that he wants to be a Jet for the rest of his career and not showing up are basically two contradictory statements in the sense that if he wants to be a Jet, he would show up to camp and put his team first and have his agent work adamantly to get a deal done. Can someone please get rid of Neil Schwartz? He’s single-handedly ruining one of the best talents we’ve ever had by whispering sweet nothings into his ear and making him think he’s bigger than the team.

by dj_agni on Aug 1, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't hold his actions of holding out against him.

All elite talents at one point or another end up doing it (with the exceptions of QBs).
Its the business aspect that is a dirty part for the fans….

It just is what it is.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t hold it against him. I just think that Revis should realize that the contract he’s asking for is ridiculous. Some superbowl winning quarterbacks don’t even get that kind of money. And he should definitely let his agent know that as well

by dj_agni on Aug 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't fault the guy for trying to get as much money as possible.

Thats just the way it works in the NFL…

But you have to realize when what you are asking for is just not going to happen.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

wow…never thought that would happen with a rival fan lol

by dj_agni on Aug 1, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, as much as I hate the Jets

I try to be able to have an intelligent conversation on football matters :)
We can have good debates and discussions all year long with the exception of the days we play each other….then all bets and cordial debate is right out the window :)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha you’re on buddy :)

by dj_agni on Aug 1, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a side note, what do you spin? :)

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got to disagree with this statement John

Your employer showed that other person respect by giving them that crazy raise. You would probably wonder where your raise is and feel like your employer doesn’t value you as much as that inferior worker

Revis’s employer is the Jets & Woody Johnson, Al Davis and the Raiders were the ones who gave the money to Aso not the Jets. So it’s not a lack of respect on the Jets part it’s good business sense, and you yourself said business is football. It makes no sense to follow the blueprint of an organization who has been pathetic in recent years.

Bob Glauber also just noted that the Jets reached out to Revis first with a long term deal, then a short team deal, and then just a meeting…..all 3 “were rebuffed”. I hate seeing the organization take the stick of player representation incompetence. He shouldn’t be holding out, it alienates both teams, and he needs to negotiate…so maybe they are trying to play hard ball not agreeing to a meeting. IMO it;s pathetic.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Revis’s employer is the Jets & Woody Johnson, Al Davis and the Raiders were the ones who gave the money to Aso not the Jets. So it’s not a lack of respect on the Jets part it’s good business sense, and you yourself said business is football. It makes no sense to follow the blueprint of an organization who has been pathetic in recent years.

Those aren’t the terms Revis views it, though. He sees one guy getting top respect ($), and his team not providing it. In his mind, he can make it in the open market. He’s probably right too. It only takes one team.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you start viewing $$ as respect, you start getting in trouble.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the bottom line is we have him hooked for 3 more years, and he’s not seeing the open market so it’s pointless entertaining those ideas. He needs to see it in that way, and if he’s not clever enough to do so himself, that;s what he pays his management for.

He held out for this contract, the one he is now holding out again to dispute. It’s ridiculous.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't agree

I don’t see it as ridiculous at all. Contracts aren’t guaranteed in the NFL. If he played like Drew Coleman the past three years, the Jets wouldn’t have hesitated to cut him if it made financial sense for the team. He has outperformed his contract and deserves a new one.

His representation is taking a poor strategy IMO, but I don’t have a problem with him seeking a new deal.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now there isn’t a problem with him seeking a deal, but the amount he is seeking could be a problem. I have to believe that if he were asking for a reasonable deal this would be done and dusted. Let’s not forget the Jets took a leap off faith with him signing him to a $30 mill $11 mill guaranteed contract. If he had been bad that guaranteed money is still there. His antics are pathetic, seek a new deal, a reasonable one….but holding out. Pro athletes who throw tamper tantrums because the millions they are getting isn;t enough. Get some perspective boys.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It goes back to my original point, though. Reasonable is subjective. If Revis is the best corner in the league, it seems reasonable for him to expect to make more than any other corner in the league.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it reasonable then for anyone with a sub 4.4 forty

to expect to be drafted in the first round by the Raiders?

Not the same, but you get the drift.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it’s not because you have to look at market distortion which is what companies do. If there is an isolated incident (in this instance the Aso contract) they won’t allow that to dictate future investments. The Jets would be stupid to go near that money range. Mike T knows it, but Revis is delusional is he thinks that is what he’ll get. Reasonable isn’t that subjective,

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The company may see that distortion, but the worker may not. Maybe the worker can find a new company that will duplicate the distortion.

We and Revis view this through different lenses. You and I view it through what’s best for the Jets. Revis views it through what he thinks is best for him.

Maybe it’s not what we want, but it isn’t unreasonable.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this instance though

The worker may not be able to duplicate his results at another employer.

Happens all the time in just about every line of work, including sports. A lot of time players need to understand that the reason for their success is because of the team they are on, the system they are playing in, and the people that are designing the schemes.

Put Revis on the Rams, and he’s not going to be as dominant, no matter what his skill level is.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can the worker find a new company when he is contractually obligated to the first company? it’s impossible. Jets won’t let him leave and if he just refuses to play under his contract, he’ll be taking a seat on the sideline for 3 years. I know that’s not likely, but Revis needs to take off the rose tinted glasses and find the proper perspective. I won’t defend a guy who can’t see the situation.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same way Deion Branch found a new employer when he was contractually obligated to his first employer. Like I said in the previous post, it would take a ton for the Jets to deal him. It’s highly unlikely, but it could happen.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it does happen it’s going to be at a price that could work out. If he continues to demand a certain amount of $$$’s that could limit us in future negotiations with players then he can get to walking. No team that is a Superbowl contender will spend around $17 mill per on a corner.

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by David_Wyatt on Aug 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not that cut and dry....

If Revis actually made the ridiculous decision to sit for an entire year. The Jets would trade him.

Thats without question, because it would damage the relationship with the organization, and the other players because of the missed year. They would also trade him while his value is still high.

They wouldn’t want to do it, but they’d trade him in that situation.

But that will never happen.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where you go wrong is in comparing Revis to average corners. Revis is unique in that he covers #1 receivers full-time. No other corners in the league (past or present) do what Revis does. Because of that, your number 1 defense has a heavy blitzing identity.

Maybe that contract was crazy for Nnamdi, maybe it isn’t for what Revis is asked to do.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has he always covered #1s, or was this his first year?

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re distorting the argument. He was asked to last year and he will be asked to again. And the Jets rely on that to be able to play the style of defense that they want to. Thats all thats relevant.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was asking because I didn't know if he did in 2008.

Not trying to distort any argument.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He covered number 1’s but not exclusively until last year. It’s not common to see a corner follow the same receiver all game. Nnamdi doesn’t do it. Usually they take whatever receiver comes to their designated side of the field.

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by John B on Aug 1, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

By that arguement since Peyton Manning is almost twice as good as the reast of the league he should get 30% more then the next QB in the league. So if McNabb averages 13 million a year Peyton should get 23 million. That doesn’t work in the cap world.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

* not 30% ....I meant almost 50%

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being in real estate I do the same thing. When pricing a house I always throw out the highest and lowest for a fair price. I can always pick certain houses to support the picture I am trying to paint but thats not how a fair price is sought out. House owners (Revis) always want to price their house as much as the the highest house out there which is best for them but I always have to talk then back down to reality.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

But houses that are unique are sold at a premium. Hence houses by the water are worth much more than identical houses inland.

Revis is a house that overlooks the ocean and the city. There’s no other house like him in the world.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

then you add money to a house inland. so that adds say 15% to the value being by water.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, in the Real Estate world

Houses that are unique are usually sold for less than what the buyers expect, because there are no comps to support the value.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what makes them unique. If its some thing that nobody wants, then of course nobody will pay. But if its something that everybody wants, then somebody is going to pay a lot to get it.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, but not in this market :)

And the real estate market is similar to the state of the NFL with the lack of a CBA.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t his point though, he is saying we are in uncharted waters with Revis’s contract

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I believe that if there was no salary cap Revis would get that money in a second.
Thats an excellent point David made. This years 14 pick got 21.2 milion over 5 years 12.3 guar, thats 4.22 a year. The Jets gave Revis a lot more money at the time then this years pick. Now I agree he should get more money but he should be working with the Jets. he won’t come off Na’s contract which is not negoations, its holding the team hostage imo.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens wouldn’t give him almost 17 million either.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you Serious??

John B…I couldn’t disagree with you more…I just can’t make up mind about you being ignorant or dumb….or maybe both?? You have an adult male who voluntarily signed a 6 year contract, as a rookie, to pay a game that just happens to pay him well and now because the player has played so well, he believes he can say “Sorry, Jets, you are aren’t paying me enough because I am the best at what I do…” Maybe Darrelle didn’t pay attention to his Business Law 101 class well enough (oops, my bad, I forgot…he went to Basket Weaving 101 instead) but a contract is a contract…he signed it and must own up to it. Keep in mind, that the JETS were responsible, in a very big way, to his succeeding and doing so well (i.E. Workout facility, trainers, nutritionists, and BIG MONEY to concentrate on doing on thing…becoming a better football player). He should honor the contract he voluntarily signed. Your workplace comparison is just ridiculous because almost all employers these days are “At will” employers…where if you don’t like working there (because someone is getting paid more than you and the work they do is inferior to your work)…no problem… you are free to go (and don’t let the door hit you in a$$ on the way out)…that is how the real Business World operates…spoiled brats like Darrelle…wouldn’t be able to survive there…because people who whine about their pay are simply shown the door. Be a REAL man for once Darrelle…shut your mouth, show up at camp and graciously accept the money you are being paid to play a game…or else you could always find a job a WAWA!

by Paulieboy on Aug 1, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagreed with him also but there is a way to do that with out insulting him.

 that is not cool agree or don’t but calling someone dumb (ect.) doesn’t make your point one way or another.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the other

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only being ignorant is you Paulieboy.

Is a contract still a contract if he gets hurt and can’t play? Answer me that genius. SInce its not guaranteed the contract means squat.

Darelle isn’t pulling these negotiation tactics out of thin air. Mike T promised him to redo his contract this off-season. Darelle is holding him to it and is demanding that he be compensated comensurate with his value.

Why don’t you wake up to the reality of the situation and accept it as it is instead of making idiotic posts with racial undertones.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where was the Racial undertone? Not saying there was or wasn’t, but whatever if there was I missed it.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

* but whatever it was I missed it

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What racial undertones? I’m just saying a contract is a contract…and you owe it to your employer to honor the contract you voluntarily signed..You can’t change the contract because you fell you’ve some how out performed it…

by Paulieboy on Aug 1, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whenever someone says that a someone should up and play the game theyre overpaid to play, its a sign of veiled racism. And its annoying. These guy are in the same sports business as the owners and team execs, yet nobody cries about their ultra-inflated salaries that derive from this “game.”

These athletes are corporate entities and brands unto themselves. They have employees, sponsors, families and charities that rely on their income/profits; same as owners and other corporate entities.

You say you can’t change the contract because you feel you’ve outperformed it, yet every single year teams cut players that are injured or because they are do bonuses that they are contractually obligated to pay. Where’s the outrage when that happens?

Its business for the players, the same as it is for the organization.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bringing race into this is ridiculous imo.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, its ridiculous if you think that comments like that don’t have racial undertones.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree with you CB.

I’m the whitest guy I know, and I didn’t read anything in there that made me think even the slightest bit racist at all.

I think he was completely off his rocker with some of his statements, and certainly didn’t convey them in a very good manner….but saying a player is overpaid to play a game is certainly not being racist. This is said about pretty much every single sport, whether it be Hockey, Baseball, Football, Basketball, Golf, Tennis……and its said about Recording artists, and other entertainers, whether you are a Hip Hop artist or a Hair Band…. when you make more money than 99% of the population, to play a game, act in a movie, or be in the entertainment business…. Most people are going to say you are overpaid.

Has nothing to do with their abilities off the field, stage, or screen…. in my opinion.

There is enough racism in this country as it is, we don’t need to make it up where its not there.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 1, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Mangold wants 17 million a year with 3 years left on his deal how is his arguement any different?

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never stated that I thought Darelle was overpaid…I simply stated that he gets paid very well to play a game…and I agree that these athletes are brands unto themselves.

When teams cut players that get injured or cut them because their bonuses are too big…there can’t be any outrage from the public because either the player can no longer perform as well as they use too (and therefore, doesn’t deserve to paid a salary when the team can hire someone else to do the exact same job for equal or less money) or the team simply doesn’t believe the player is worth the bonus…(because, again, the team believes they can find a replacement player that can perform as well, if not better than the person they were going to pay the big bonus too)…as the owner of a pro sports team, that IS your prerogative…since it is your money and your team .

You are absolutely right that this is a business….and the risk of a player being injured is why athletes are being paid so well to participate in these games in the first place…because there is a very real possibility of being injured. Still, you signed the contract…the JETS have every right to expect Darelle to honor it…Telling the team that drafted you and made you an instant millionaire, that you are afraid to risk playing now because of the fear of being injured and not being able to cash in on a bigger payday down the road…is not a good enough excuse to demand that you must be the highest paid CB in NFL right now.

by Paulieboy on Aug 1, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you should be very aware of the code language behind the comments like your own when people say that these athletes should be grateful that they are earning millions playing a game when they would otherwise be flipping burgers somewhere.

Hidden meaning being that they are not intelligent enough to earn a common living. That they are somehow sub-standard.

If its ok for the Jets to cut Thomas Jones to avoid paying him a conctractually agreed upon bonus, then its equally ok for Revis to demand higher compensation for outperforming (by a wide wide margin) his existing contract.

If Darrelle cannot expect the team to honor his contract, then its perfectly fair for that shoe to be on the other foot.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So what about Vernon Gholston? Where does he fit in to your theory, should he give money back?

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did give it back. He re-worked his deal and is making less money. But thats not the point. The point is that they have a contract, and if the team doesn’t feel like paying it anymore they can cut him for that reason alone. And if they did cut him, none of the people bitching about Revis would say a damn thing.

Revis is playing the same game. Whats good for the goose, sometimes bites the goose in the ass.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t give anything back, he reworked his deal so he didn’t get cut, cause the Jets were going to cut him. He knew that if the Jets cut him he wouldn’t get very much with another team prob just the min.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Technically....

He did give money back if he re-worked his deal to recieve less money. #justsaying

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by King A! on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I kind of meant money from past years…

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

oooh...

okay, I agree.

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by King A! on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

then why is ther guarenteed money? The rest means absolutely nothing. The roster bonus is just that, if you are on the roster on this date you get x amount.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I want Revis to get money is because Mr. T said they will work something out otherwise he should have 3 years left on his deal. If he told Revis that then that should be done. If he told Revis I will pay you atleast 1 dollar more then every other CB in the league then T should pay him that, but I don’t believe he said that He chose to sign that contract, he chose to let the Jets give him way about fair market value for his rookie contract.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he way outplayed his rookie contract. He was grossly underpaid for that contract. And for him to play for $1M this year is criminal. In fact, Rex Ryan and his defense is nothing without Revis. He is worth far more money than what he’s allotted to be paid.

What he is due down the road means absolutely nothing. This game is too violent to look beyond the season at hand. Which is exactly why the owners have ensured themselves the right to void a contract as they see fit. But that viewpoint has to work in both directions.

If a player’s value drastically exceeds his current contract, he has to hold out. He can’t risk getting injured and forfeit money that he is justly due.

If owners can’t be expected to bear the risk of honoring contracts and paying injured (and often uninjured) players, then players can’t be expected to honor contracts which aren’t commensurate with their value at the risk of injury.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So then from your view point rookies should sign “until I out perform contracts”? So the second they outplay their contract they get a new one? What if they under achive the first 2 years of the contract then over achive the 3rd and 4th years?
  I don’t see how the owner don’t honor the contracts. They have those deals for longer then the guar money so they don’t have to do new deals every 2 or 3 years, that would be hectic.
I think Revis should get money but not almost 17 million. No one will give him that.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets face it...

NFL Contracts are only partially guaranteed. And thats the Guaranteed money portion of the contract.

When a player bitches and moans because his pay this year is x number of dollars, that represents the base salary for that given year, and completely overlooks the huge guaranteed portion they received at the start of their contract. If you average that over the years played, they make quite a bit more.

So there I was.....asleep when it happened.....the buzzing of the blackberry woke me up....still groggy, I rubbed my eyes, and read the incoming email.
BRANDON MARSHALL IS A DOLPHIN!
Then I had a beer....took the day off work, and bought a box of condoms.
Its going to be a long night for my wife.

by Fr8Train on Aug 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, by the way...

As a minority myself…there’s no need to play the race card.

by Paulieboy on Aug 1, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. My comment above was meant to go here.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously not productive at all.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand why Darrelle signed a 6 year contract…he wanted the security that comes w/owning a six year deal for him and his family. But don’t sign a 6 year deal, if you feel you can outperform it in 3 or 4 years…sign a 4 year deal…and then be Free Agent…

Crackback, how do you know that Mike T promised to redo his contract this off-season? Did you talk to Mike T or did you hear it from Revis’s camp or a newspaper?

by Paulieboy on Aug 1, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard Revis publicy state it and I didn’t hear ANYONE in the Jets organization deny it. Which means you damn well know its true.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

A honest assessment of the Sports Entertainment business world.

Great post Jon B. I like the perspective you took on this Revis contract situation. I know some low level share traders over at the NYSE. They are making money for their clients hand and fist, but imagine if one of the traders said to him or herself: Gee it doesn’t matter how much I sell these shares for as long as my client gets paid, Whether it’s $50 dollars a share or $100 my client will still be rich. Um yeah. This is capitalism 101folks. At the end of the day this is still the entertainment business where the best and the brightest can dictate to their employers how much they worth no matter what price was agreed upon originally. Revis just wants fair market. He plays in for a New York team which translates to the largest media market in the country.

by Mr. Greymatter on Aug 1, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

-35

Revis can want whatever he wants, its what can he get. As in stocks they are only worth what you can sell them for. If a stock on paper is worth 50 dollars a share and no one will give you more then 39 a share, then what is the stock really worth?. I can think I deserve 200 dollars an hour, doesn’t mean I will get it. There is a cap in the NFL and just because one player gets something doesn’t mean that is what another player will get. The Jets are in a different situation the other teams. If you want a chance to play for a super bowl then chances are you can’t get exactly what you are looking for.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This team isn’t as good without Revis as it is with Revis. In fact, there is a very real possibility that it isn’t any good without Revis. Thats where his leverage comes from.

by Crackback on Aug 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if there was no cap and Revis wanted 17 million, then fine its not my money. You can’t give him that much when it will hurt the rest of your team. Revis is my favorite player and I want him happy, but not at the expense of my team. Then other players say " Revis is 20% more important then me so I want 80 % of his contract", it turn into a freaking mess.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 1, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the analogy you used because revis and Nnamdi don’t have the same employer, that analogy would be correct if Nnamdi was on the jets and making that type of money. Just like a math teacher making 40k a year and finds out another math teacher from a different school is making 60k a year. can that teacher expect to be paid more just cause that other school decided to pay their math teacher more?

by Dolphins21MZ on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Reality Check

I disagree also. They’re in the same market or field but not the same employer. If Company A pays their top guy X amount of money and he’s sucking the team dry til they go bankrupt, you better believe Company B is not going to pay their top guy that type of money…even if he’s better than the other guy.

Also while the team may not be as good as it is without Revis, it’s not like he was the entire team. This is football, not basketball. there are 11 players on the field, not 5. Revis was on the team before last year and they didn’t have the same success. The BIGGEST reason for the Jets’ success is Rex Ryan…and that’s another reason why we drafted Kyle Wilson.

by PowerBar on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Rex deserves credit for using Revis in a unique way to maximize his value. But if you think that that defense can duplicate its performance of last year without Revis, you’re crazy.

Revis makes the defense.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revis doesn't make the defense, Rex does.

Revis is great, but if Rex is even a good defensive coordinator (and I think he’s a great one). He’s going to take what he has and work the defense around its players and their strengths. That’s what a good defensive coordinator does.

Losing Revis makes a great impact and he’s currently the focal point of the team, but I think you’re not giving Rex enough credit if you don’t think Rex can make it work without him.

by PowerBar on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll say this....

Revis and everyone on that defense including the minds that make EVERYONE play their positions in unique ways MAKES THE DEFENSE. Not just one person. It just so happens that Revis completely THRIVES because of the role he plays, and how he is allowed to play it. When those linebackers rush the QB, Revis lives off of those throws to his side because he adjusts accordingly to how the QB reacts to the blitz.

Bottom line, everyone makes that defense, and Rex Ryan should get that credit for getting them to play in such a fashion.

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by King A! on Aug 2, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revis is the cream of the crop

Well when 77 was on kays radio show he said something similliar, when he got hurt the Jets were suppost to be done and they made due.
I think Revis is an absolute beast, I don’t want to even think what the Jets are without him. The D would be greatly weakend. I don’t want to under sell what Revis is, he is the best and not replaceable. But if a players contract hurts the team then it can’t be done plain and simple. If the Jets start adopting the Raiders philosphy I really think I would cry. I hate to say this with my 24 jersey in my closet. But if the Jets options are pay him NA’s contract or he is no longer a Jet, then he is no longer a Jet imo.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Believe me, I do not undermine what Revis means to the Jets, but adopting the Raiders philosophy (AKA a Losing Team’s Philosophy) on keeping their best player is insane. It’s unfortunate that DR doesn’t see this. I hate to say it, but I’d definitely trade him for a first and second round, and a young every down lineman.

Revis is the cream of the crop, but why would I forfeit signing everything else who also make a big chunk of why this system works? Revis is turning himself into the weakest link with these demands. 12mil, cool! 13 mil, FINE! 14mil, okay….skeptical but sure. NA money? Don’t be stupid. That money was “please don’t go” money.

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You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference.

by King A! on Aug 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

what ifs

Ok so someone working at Burger king makes more money than you do at mcdonalds your gonna cry to your boss about it. No you chose to work there…..(different companys different pay) Plus he signed a contract. Imagine buying a car you signed the papers you drove the car home and a month later you see a different dealer selling the car for less. Can you just get out of your loan by crying like a little girl? Sure cant… He is a big boy If he didnt want to play for that much money he should have never signed the contract.

by DJ. Quillz on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Imagine you lease a car with an option to buy for half its book value at the time of purchase if you keep the mileage under 100k miles at the end of the lease term. You have one year to go, and have only 10k miles on the car when you bring it in for a routine oil change. At the current rate, the car will have less than 13k miles on it when the lease term is up.

But when you bring it in, the dealership confiscates your car and voids your lease to avoid selling it you at such a good price.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but you left out a key point

Asomugha played out his entire rookie contract and was franchised one year…THEN he signed a fat free agent contract. Any analysis like yours that leaves out this critical fact is fundamentally flawed. If Revis wants Asomugha money, then he’ll have to play out his contract and get franchised before that happens. If Revis wants free agent money, then he’s going to have to wait to be a free agent- this is how the game is played.

As far as the argument that Mike T promised Revis a new contract goes, we don’t know exactly what was said, but you can be certain Mike T never said Revis would get paid Asomugha money as if he was a free agent. Mike T has kept his word and offered Revis various options Revis has rejected them all.

The ball is now in Revis’ court, but the penalties start accruing from day 1 and get far more serious once we hit August 10th.

by Myr on Aug 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

The history of Nnamdi is irrelevant. All thats relevant is that the Jets promised to revisit Revis’ contract. When revisiting the contract the crux of the matter is what is the player’s value?

Revis maintains: you say i’m the best, then pay me like the best. If the next best makes this much, then, by your estimation, I should make more.

The Jets say: well… ummm…. we don’t know what the landscape is going to be until the new CBA is in place. Ummm… how about $5M for this year unguaranteed? Ummm… lets have a meeting.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The the only things that are in play are those that help your arguement?

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh? What does Nnamdi playing out his rookie contract and being franchised have to do with what Revis is worth?

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worth I have said many times he is worth 20 mil. But its the salary cap deal. Yoiu said he should get more then NA’s contract, but if that contract is in play then how he and the raiders history is in play.
I am sure you realize Revis held out when he was a rookie for the 6th year right? If he would of signed a 5 year deal like everyone else next year would be the last year of his deal. I am not debating Revis as far as his worth, just what s fair to both parties in a cap world.

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by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revis doesn’t care about what is fair to the Jets, nor should he. Its business. He plays to make money. Woody and the Jets are in this to make money. They want to win to hopefully play more post-season home games and to expand the Jet brand to make more money.

Revis may never get an opportunity to make the kind of money he could make right now again. He is not in the wrong for holding the Jets to their promise and seeking compensation for his value.

If the Jets could cut him and replace him with a player that could do his job for less money, they would in a heartbeat. Loyalty has no place in this. If the Jets wouldn’t be loyal to Revis why should he care about the cap?

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thats not the point if he won’t reason with the Jets then he won’t play for the Jets. It you think a lot of teams would give Revis almost 17 milion a year, then I don’t think you fully understand what it means to have a salary cap and play for a good team. Like I said before he might get 17 mil but not from a contender.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t play to win. You play to get paid. The cap is not Revis’ problem. He absolutely should negotiate for as much as he can squeeze. Its business. Business comes first, just as it would for the team when he blows a knee.

Why can’t Woody pay over the cap and take a penalty? Why is it on Revis to make sure Woody makes a profit? Woody is every bit as selfish and unreasonable as a lot of people are trying to make Revis out to be.

No Revis, and the defense tanks. If the defense tanks, the team tanks. Mangold and Harris are much more expendable than Revis is. The entire design of the defense is predicated on Revis’ abilities. The same can’t be said for those other guys.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revis said he wants to stay a Jet

If he feels like you think he does then we can’t get there from here.
Revis won’t be on the Jets if he won’t reason with the team. If the Jets were going to meet his demands they would of done it already imo.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, Nnamdi's contract history is relevant.

It explains how he managed to get paid so much money. Players who go the free agent route turn down whatever their team offers them in terms of a new contract on the way there in order to play the open market at the end of their contract. The risk that such a player takes on the way to free agency is that he gets injured or his skills deteriorate. If Revis thinks he’ll be paid Asomugha money, then he’s clueless.

The Jets promised to revisit Revis’ contract and they clearly did that. They never promised to treat him like he was a free agent. That would be absurd when he has 3 years left on his contract.

Maybe Revis should ask Ghoulston to give up some of his money to him because Ghoulston has underperformed his contract? The bottom line is that both sides have bargaining power. The Jets have Revis under contract for the next three years, but Revis can choose to simply not play. In my book, Revis has a losing hand.

Having read your previous posts, I’ll refrain from responding to any more of your comments. Your earlier comments about “racial undertones” is so far off base that you should simply be ignored…and, by the way, it’s “racial overtones.”

by Myr on Aug 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, how Nnamdi came to earn the salary that he earns is wholly irrelevant. What matters is Revis’ value. Revis is doing a compartive valuation, saying that Nnamdi is worth a certain number, therefore if the Jets claim that if Revis is more valuable then he should be compensated as such. And he’s justified in taking that negotiating position.

Suit yourself. I could care less whether you grace me with your response. And by the way it is undertones because of the implicit connotation. It would be overtones if it was explicitly stated.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

except that

when you do a comparative valuation, you look at the entire market and not just one value. Doing so would only make the argument/demand biased and narrow minded. So while in his mind it might be justified, it the real world, it’s not.

A contract is a contract, he knows where the guaranteed and non guaranteed money lies…he knows he can get cut for doing x, y or z. He asked for the extra year AND he signed on the dotted line…so him acting in such fashion is only going to hurt his PR image.

by PowerBar on Aug 2, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team came to him, he didn’t ask. They shouldn’t have come to him if they weren’t going to compensate him. It was a stupid stupid move.

He has no real comparitve value. He’s entirely unique. No other corner has ever done what is asked of him. He locks onto the opponents number one receiver all game every game and shuts them down. That allows the Jets to roll coverage opposite, which completely shuts down most passing games. It also frees up a safety to either blitz (shortening the QB’s time to throw) or to creep into the box and help against the run.

His impact on the game, defensively, is unparalleled.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether he asked or not, he signed on the dotted line. The stupid move was signing it and now going back on it.

As eloquent as your reply was, he’s still a human being that plays one position on the defensive unit of a football team. You make him sound like he’s the second coming of Jordan. Football is still very much a team sport. There’s no denying his impact on the Jet defense, but it’s not worth it if his contract is going to cripple the rest of the team.

Yes he should get paid…but at a reasonable price. However, how he’s going about it or at least the appearance he’s giving, is the wrong way.

by PowerBar on Aug 2, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jets reportedly had 100 mil on the table
As general manager Mike Tannenbaum revealed Sunday, they made long- and short-term proposals to Revis, both of which were flatly rejected. The longer deal, ESPNNewYork.com confirmed, is more than $100 million in maximum value.



How much of that is fully guaranteed wasn’t immediately known. That is a huge part to the puzzle. Obviously, it wasn’t enough to satisfy Revis, who wants to become the highest-paid cornerback in the NFL. Revis, due to make $1 million, is seeking about $16 million per year.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."

by NJ Champ on Aug 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he want 50 mil guar. sothere is no way in heck that will ever happen imo.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy New Yorkers

You crazy New Yorkers are always good for a laugh. You people think because you say something that it is so. Much like you people did in the Horse of the Year voting, voting in RA over Zenyatta. Since the vote RA has lost 2 out of 3 Races against light competition and the Race she won was not even against graded runners. She has continued to duck Zenyatta just as she did in last years BCC. And the true Horse of the Year Zenyatta?, she just keeps on ticking and is still undefeated.

The Jets have never had a Hall of Fame Corner in their history while Al Davis and the Raiders have them in buckets. From turning safeties Lester Hayes and Nnamdi Asoughma into elite corners to stealing W. Brown from Denver and Mike Haynes from New England the Raiders know a top flight corner when they see one.

The market has been set and if the Jets want to run with the big boys pay up or get off the pot. There are many people with a Chevy Bankroll that want a Rolls but most are smart enough to know they are not getting a Rolls for the price of a Chevy.

The Jets have only themselves to blame. Who but an idiot would build up a player they were trying to sign long term and tell them they should be paid tops for a corner. Even worse who but an idiot would promise the player it would get done and then low ball the dude. The answer?, the Jets. Revis is not the first player to say they have been promised something that never happens by the Jets.

As for a top corner?, the only ones that matter in their opinion on a corner are the NFL QB’s. These NFL QB’s almost threw more balls at Revis in 2009 then they have thrown Nnamdi’s way in 2007, 2008 and 2009 combined. That is all one needs to know on who is a better corner. You people use to talk up Nate Clements and D Hall not long ago. When they put D Hall across from Nnamdi they eat him alive and punked him into becoming a laughing stock.

Revis is a good corner that looks better then he is because he plays on a top flight D that can pressure the QB. He is good and needs to get paid but is no Nnamdi as the QB’s in the NFL make very clear on who they throw on and who they do not.

Pay the man or get off the pot. For a team that has never had any Hall of Fame Corners you may have finally lucked onto one, pay the man or get out of the way. Big New York, cannot come up with the funds that an owner from a team in little old Oakland paid their own. And get off the the Jets need to be able to put a team around him. That is what the guys with short arms and deep pockets want you to believe, it is all bull.

by snnyjcbs on Aug 2, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

that owner from little old Oakland has fielded a team that’s been in the basement of the NFL for almost a decade and has been the laughing stock of the league…so what are you trying to say?

by PowerBar on Aug 2, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revis gets thrown at more because he’s singled up on the opponent’s best receiver. If Nnamdi is so good, why don’t the Raiders utilize his skills the way the Jets utilize Revis? It doesn’t take a genius to come up with that scheme. The only reason you wouldn’t do it is because you feel the player can’t bear the burden. Obviously Nnamdi isn’t believed to be as good as Revis is or the Raiders would use him the same way.

And check out the completion % against befor you start spewing nonesense.

by Crackback on Aug 2, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of rant is this?

First off, it sounds like you have hate in your blood for NY (just like many do).
Nnamdi only plays ONE SIDE OF THE FIELD. So you know what people do? They put their receiver on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD. Geni-ASS! Watch football before talking utter nonsense. That black hole team you are praising play in the Black Hole for a reason. You can’t find them in the "W’ column. As for being paid, like I said before it was “Please Don’t Go, we Suck without you” money, so stop hating just because we think that the money you paid Nnamdi was the most Idiotic thing you could possibly muster up at a time when your team was flat out horrible. We are not going to pay such a horrendous amount to one player we actually have other players you beast at their positions. The Raiders don’t have what we have right now, and to botch that up based on another Franchise’s debacle of a move would be dumb.

If your opponent jumped off a bridge, would you jump off right after him just to say I can do that too? Please, Pathetic. “Where they do that at?”

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by King A! on Aug 3, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi doesn’t get paid the money just because he’s a great player he gets paid because he’s a good all around person. Nnamdi was upset about his contract because of the team not because of the pay and you did not see him hold out of camp when he didn’t get what he wanted like a spoiled brat. He gets paid to play and thats what he does and he does it well. It’s not just his ability that gets him paid it’s his character. Does Revis deserve to get paid. Yes I think he does but right now he is under an original contract so he should go out there and do his job. Don’t base what your getting paid on what some one on another team is getting paid

by chingon84 on Aug 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

REALLY REVIS IS BETTER

FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS ITS BEEN WHOS BETTER NNAMDI OR ? FIRST IT WAS CHAMP BAILEY KNOW ITS REVIS . LETS GO WITH FACT IN 16 GAMES LAST YEAR REVIS ALLOWED 38 RECEPTIONS . NNAMDI ALLOWED 13 THATS LESS THAN ONE A GAME COMPARED TO THE MORE THAN 2 FOR REVIS. REVIS SAW RANDY MOSS TWICE T.O TWICE OCHO CINCO TWICE AND SHUT THEM DOWN TRUE BUT HE SHADOWS THEM AND PLAYS ON A BETTER DEFENSE. NNAMDI SAW ANDRE JOHNSON ONCE HELD HIM UNDER A 100 YARDS AND NEVER SHADOWED HIM BRANDON MARSHALL TWICE VINCENT JACKSON TWICE AND DESEAN JACKSON ALL YOUNG RECEIVERS BETTER THAN THE DECLINING ONES WE GIVE REVIS CREDIT FOR SHUTTING DOWN. AND NNAMDI SHUT THEM ALL DOWN ALL HELD UNDER A 100 YARDS AND HE NEVER SHADOWED ANY OF THEM HE PLAYS ON HIS SIDE OF THE FIELD. BOTTOM LINE NNAMDI IS BETTER NOT WAY BETTER BUT BETTER HE PLAYS IN A MAN DEFENSE WITH LITTLE SAFETY HELP AND HAS BEEN SURROUNDED BY LESS THAN STELLAR COUNTERPARTS ON D FOR YEARS ALSO YOU CANT MAKE INTERCEPTIONS IF NO ONE THROWS THE BALL NEAR YOU WHILE REVIS MAY HAVE AN ISLAND NNAMDI OWNS HALF THE FIELD WHICH I GUESS EQUQTES IN GEOGRAPY TO THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE. I WOULD TAKE THAT OVER AN ISLAND ANYDAY!!!! THE JETS ARE HYPE JUST LIKE REVIS IS HYPE I JUST THOUGHT JET FANS SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS GOOOOO RAIDERS

by AL's HENCHMAN on Aug 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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