Mark Carrier Thinks Gholston Can Thrive
by David_Wyatt on Jul 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT
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The national football post had an interesting little snippet today about Vernon Gholston:
New Jets defensive line coach Mark Carrier sees a little Terrell Suggs in Vernon Gholston. The Jets are converting Gholston, who has yet to record his first sack, to defensive end this year. The former sixth pick in the draft has bounced around between linebacker and defensive end previously, but Carrier told me he thinks Gholston can thrive if he can hone in on one position. Gholston is bulking up to 270 after playing ten pounds lighter, and he’s trying to play with more power. In order to better understand how his skills fit the position, Gholston has been watching tape of Suggs.
It seems that the new reason for Gholston's lack of success is the fact that he has been asked to play two positions so far. Now that he is only being asked to play DE at 270 he should thrive. I'm sorry I'm just not buying it, Suggs has passion, explosion and an ability to get off blocks. Suggs had success from the very start, defensive rookie of the year, pro bowl the next year.
He has made a name for himself getting after the QB from either the OLB or DE position. He has more moves than Gholston. The Ghost has always used his bull rush, and so far it's been ineffective against more powerful NFL lineman.
As a defensive end in this system he needs to plug his gaps, take on the lineman and keep them occupied to free the linebackers and blitzing defensive backs. When he did play last year, I actually thought he did a decent job against the run. If he can give us that, and offer a little bit of QB pressure in the meantime, I think we'll all take that.
I think this is a case this year of "last chance saloon" and us trying to get some value/production on our investment. I don't think he will be a world beater, he won't be a pro bowler and I doubt he comes close to touching Suggs production rate. Anything he can do this year will be better than what he has done before.
If you do have faith that Gholston can do something this year, I heard they are selling Ghost jerseys for $20 at Modells.
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The mortals must pay...
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!
by Crackback on Jul 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How did I know you were going to post that here lol
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Ok. Thats the last one from me.
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t really see how he’s Suggs considering they’re moving him out of the role Suggs had on the Ravens because he was so ineffective.
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Not sure if it is just because they have a similar stature, or they have both moved from OLB/DE, or moved around between the two anyway. Not too many other similarities.
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Shhh. They’re trying to give the guy some confidence ; )
by nationalist88 on Jul 26, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
$20 for a Kraken Jersey?
I hope this is his year to break out, because it’s the UFL after 2010. And then you can buy the jersey REALLY cheap on ebay.
very spot on analysis of gholston. he has NO MOVES!. he is slow off the snap, no swim, spin, or duck under moves, only the bull rush. despite looking like the hulk mere strength doesnt cut it against o-linemen who have been doing this for years, and are bigger than you. like the article said, suggs has passion, gholston is completely indifferent about becoming a dominant force. in all the articles about him, the first thing he does is go back and look at film of the ‘guy’ in his position he should be playing like, (LT, Bruschi, now suggs) he should forget about playing like them and find his own game.
he is a little too cerebral IMO, like he is thinking too hard to make the play instead of using his instincts, he has always played a step behind the snap…
with that said, id still like him to succeed on the line. if not please cut him, and use the money to lock up revis.
by servantofchrist on Jul 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
hope the best for him
VG has been a bust so far, but lets be fair… in college he was a DE in the pros he was a LB..this is not an easy transition, considering his natural position is at DE. VG has a few advantage he can give the JETS…because he was a bust for the first years as a pro he can be resigned cheap saving the team money (especially important if capped years are to come) second he has youth and health relatively injury free and time to improve. Third he is a beast, one of the strongest and physically gifted (although not skilled) With strength and a physique like his its only a matter of time, coaching and learning till we see some productivity (after being a bust for the first years he can only go up…I hope)…and now that he is at his natural position i think sooner rather than later. It sounds good and really i am trying to convince myself but I do wish him the best. lets see what happens
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by Shivling on Jul 25, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Gholston scored an 18 on the Wonderlic test(quick NFL IQ test) out of a possible
50.Take the test at wonderlic.com or search.You’ll realize what Vernons real problem is and wht he couldn’t learn the linebacker position.If your score is less than 25,it’s time to pick up a book or two.
Not all that bad...
Former Jet first rounder Roger Vick scored a 6 on the Wonderlich.
And during one early practice, he got badly dehydrated and passed out because, to hear him tell it, when he was in college, his coaches told him when to take a water break, while in the pros, the players take a water break whenever they want or need it, and he didn’t realize he needed it. In other words, Vick was too stupid to know he was dying of thirst.
As far as football players go, 18 might not be the best but there are plenty of people who have scored much lower and gone on to have success. Bradshaw/Marino/Kelly all scored lower than Gholston and they played at higher IQ positions. I mean didn’t Chad Pennington only get a 25, which for a guy who is regarded as intelligent….that’s pretty bad. I really don’t like the Wonderlic test.
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by David_Wyatt on Jul 26, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t Pennington eligible for a Rhodes scholarship or something?
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I have a great deal of faith in Bill Calahan as an OLine coach, and believe that Slauson ( a sixth round pick !) or Ducasse a rookie can take over at LG without much of a problem.
I have very little faith in Mark Carrier as a DL coach. He has some projects , Gholston, the 6’8 Ropati Pitoitua, Kroul , Steinkuler and Lamb. You would also hope for the continued growth in DeVito. Then there is the problem of getting those over 30 NT’s through the season healthy in Pouha and Jenkins.
I understand that Pettin and Rex will be all over this, but Mark Carrier may be in over his head, and I don’t give a lot of credance to what the guy says…
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