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The United States suffered a heartbreaking loss to Ghana in the World Cup yesterday eliminating the Americans. The country is not in mourning. The same would not be true in many other countries. England is a good example. The world will stop for sports fans in that country after the loss to Germany.

You could argue that is because soccer isn't big in our nation. That's partially true. It's more of a symptom of the situation than the answer, though. The sport might not be huge in America yet, but there has been a consistent, steady increase in interest since 1994. The fact is no sport draws the attention of the entire nation.

Think about it. Was every sports fan in America captivated by the Olympic hockey gold medal game against Canada? Did you wake up in the middle of the night to watch the Olympic basketball gold medal game in 2008? Did you open room in your schedule for the World Baseball Classic? I'm sure most of you would have for a big Jets game.

We have different tastes in sports in this country. Baseball is the national pasttime. Football is the most popular sport, but there are still plenty of people watching hockey or basketball only. Some of our cities are built around a team like the Red Sox in Boston. There is no true event that brings us all together, though.

That isn't a bad thing. While other countries will go into a state of depression, those of us following the Americans in the World Cup will get up, dust ourselves off, and see how the Yankees did yesterday or how the Knicks are doing in the LeBron sweepstakes.

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As an extension of what you said, the biggest difference is that we, by and large, don’t do “national” teams. We enjoy our sports in the form of self-contained, America-only (oh, and sometimes Toronto) leagues, which we use to crown a “world” champion.

Even club level soccer like the Premier League doesn’t compare exactly to that. So, really, the reason we don’t unite around a single event the way, say, England does, is because when sports are played the way we want them to, it’s American City A vs. American City B, bot USA vs. World.

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by Max VV on Jun 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

The US is unique and insulated from world sports for several reasons:

1. We have 50 states and 350+ million citizens. We already have intense rivalries between cities and states, whether they stem from college ball, baseball, basketball, football, hockey or whatever. These intensify as fan bases butt heads across sports (think Yankess/Red Sox and Jets/Patriots). We are like 50 little countries (ie the E.U.) and so we don’t need to travel across the globe to find rivalries.

European nations are typically smaller, with fewer major cities. However, each nation’s largest city is much bigger in headcount than a typical American metropolis. When you have a few huge cities that represent an enormous percent of your population (the UK has 5 cities with more than 1 million residents; Spain has 4), it must be difficult to create profitable leagues within their own borders. The US has the opposite – lots and lots of cities that can support a sporting team, whether they be professional, minor leagues, or college sports (we have at least 50 metro areas with more than 1 Million residents). We dont have to fly through international airports to find large cities to play against. Many are a greyhound bus ride away.

2. We are big and far. Big = 4 time zones for the continental US, more if you count AK and HI. It’s hard enough catching a west coast game living in EST. PPV boxing starts at 11:00 PM. Can you imagine if our regular season games were played across the ocean adding 5 more time zones between teams? All of Europe and all of South America and all of Africa as continents occupy a similar area measured across in timezones as our country (between 3-5). I am not getting up at 4:00am to watch baseball.

3. We have virtually no neighbors. Its hard to play international sports if you don’t have any neighbors. The US is different from South America, Europe, and other areas because we only have 2 neighbors – Mexico and Canada. In fact, I doubt if more than 100K Americans ever crossed the Mexico’s southern border into Central America on vacation. It’s too far, and too different. Whereas Canada is a close neighbor (speaks English (mostly), similar economies, politics, low crime, etc.) Mexico is a world away. And that difference is exacerbated as you travel south to Central America and South America (and the Caribbean). In Europe, the nations do have different languages varied cultures, but they are all on roughly equal socioeconomic footing, meaning they are all modern, 1st world nations. We do have ties to Canada for sports, but we don’t travel south very often for much of anything, let alone sports.

4. We are not terribly interested in other nations’ inferiority complexes.. Europe’s rivalries have been ongoing for a hundreds of years, back to when kings fought over land across Europe. This continued for centuries, and some of us even witnessed 2 world wars fought on European soil with our own eyes. On the other hand, most people in America started somewhere else, and generally came here to escape the wars and feuds and poverty and persecution that ravaged their homelands for countries. Sport events like the Olympics were the battle ground for “Cold War” where nations could battle it out in the arena (think back to the movie “Miracle” based on the US/USSR rivalry). A lot of Americans are not terribly interested in the deep seated hatred between the various European, or African nations. There isn’t a tremendous amount of national pride at stake for the US since we arent trying to position ourselves in the world anymore. An early exit from the world cup doesn’t mean we are any less powerful than we were before. But in Europe and other nations, they’ve been trying to outdo each other for much of recorded history, and international sports in yet another battlefield.

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by NC_Scott on Jun 27, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who Cares

It is a game. It means nothing. Who cares.

by viguy007 on Jun 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Soccer won't be taken seriously in the US until a truly marvelous one-of-a-kind athlete transcends the sport.

Which has yet to happen. But if more of our top athletes played soccer, there’s no doubt we’d be much more competitive. I think we all know, conciously or subconciously, that our top athletes are playing in the big 3 sports (football, basketball, baseball), and thats why we’re not as competitive internationally and thats why there’s not as much interest. Its hard to get geared up for something when you know you’re not competitive and you’re best product isn’t on the field. Just like it would be hard to root for the Jets if there’s a lockout and they field scabs in place of the real players.

Until the US Soccer team has some players the likes of Dwayne Wade or Carl Crawford or Darrelle Revis out there, guys that are supreme athletes and that can blow your mind with the things that they can do, there just won’t be that much interest. Its like that last pre-season game in the NFL after all the starters get yanked, you’ll watch out of curiosity but there’s no real emotional investment in the outcome.

by Crackback on Jun 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Except

If your that good, your going to play overseas for more money.

The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!

by Mark D on Jun 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not. If you’re that good you’ll be a superstar here as the only face of the sport.

by Crackback on Jun 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure about that. It’s kind of a reverse of the NBA and MLB where everybody wants to come to America. The best soccer is played in Europe today. It’s where the fame and glory lies. MLS is the equivalent of European basketball.

FWIW, I think MLS has a solid business plan. They’ve been slowly growing, churning out solid talent, and are starting to produce soccer specific stadiums. The Beckham thing didn’t really pan out, but he was more of a celebrity than a box office draw for what he did on the field.

I think soccer CAN eventually become here, but it’s not going to happen overnight as some people like to imagine. Interest has been growing slowly but steadily since the 1994 World Cup. It’s a slow process, but people here are slowly starting to appreciate the game more and more. If NASCAR can grow from regional niche event into something popular across the country, surely the most popular sport in the world can eventually catch on here over time.

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by John B on Jun 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but i’m talking about the transcendental guy. The Gretsky, Jordan, Ali. I’m talking about the guy that when you watch him play, even if you’re not a fan, you sit back and he just blows your mind at how he makes everybody else look so juvenile. Soccer needs that good looking athletic freak of nature. When that happens, the sport will explode.

It would probably help a lot too if it didn’t compete with football at the high school level. If they played in the spring rather than the fall, maybe more RBs, DBs and WRs would play soccer rather than run track or play baseball.

by Crackback on Jun 27, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense. Personally I wouldn’t even have known what was happening in this international soccer tournament if it wasn’t being posted here at GGN, and have never watched a soccer game in my life outside of the 10 minutes waiting for my food to cook at the local mexican restaurant. But if some freakishly good American player emerged it would certainly be a different story. I remember some guy named Pele as a kid who played for the Cosmos (?) which is pretty remarkable for a kid who never owned a soccer ball.

by nationalist88 on Jun 27, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Pele did play for the New York Cosmopolitans. There’s a documentary about that team called “Once in a Lifetime” if anybody’s interested.

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by dvdvil on Jun 28, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It takes youth to create interest. Where I live (Charlotte) people here were Dolphins, Falcons, Redskins and Steelers fans because they never had a hometown football team. Then came the Panthers. The parents here are still fans of their original teams (I am a Jets fan, obviously) but the kids grow up also rooting for the home team.

Soccer will take off in America 10-15 years after the kids take to it, because that is how long it will take for those kids to grow up, get jobs and spend money on tickets and have kids of their own. So if I was MLS or US Soccer, I’d spend every penny I had on promoting to the kids today. And it starts with a strong showing in the World Cup, and bring those players home like champions (like Michael Phelps after the Olympics.) Don’t let up and get those players out to meet the kids, do soccer camps with the stars for a week in each major city throughout the summer, or whatever.

Also, take a few million dollars per major metropolitan area and give it to the local high schools for a soccer program. $25K per high school is enough to hire a part time coach and buy equipment, etc. A $25M investment is 1000 high schools (of the 25,000 high schools in America) that are otherwise cutting sport programs that will now push soccer to the youth in gym class. By selecting the schools with the largest enrollments that do not otherwise have a decent soccer program, you can reach more youths than by choosing some school out in Appalachia (WV). Even if it doesn’t develop into kids playing soccer, it will at least familiarize them with the game and rules and generate interest in the league that is barely making a profit.

Sure, it wouldn’t pay dividends for years, but better that then trying to convince a guy like me to make some more room in my heart and wallet for another sport I dont care about.

PS – America has better soccer talent than who we field today, [no offense]. There just isn’t enough soccer programs to determine who has the natural talent because we are (rightly so) focused on football, baseball, and basketball. As soccer grows in popularity, we might find more kids have a natural talent for it, and over some decades, we’ll be able to uncover the Michael Jordan of soccer somewhere in Iowa or Oregon. Then it is a virtuous circle where we get better because we have more interest because we got better…..

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by NC_Scott on Jun 27, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude...

You need to post more. Good stuff.

by Crackback on Jun 27, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great comment, the only argument is that just having the soccer programs out there doesn’t mean the next great soccer player is going to try soccer over Football/Baseball/Hockey/Basketball.

The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!

by Mark D on Jun 28, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

For one we the only nation that calls the game Soccer.

Two, like Crackback says, our best athletes play football, basketball, baseball and even hockey.
Three, it has the issues as hockey, sometimes there is not enough scoring.
Last, I think we did good, but you can see we did not have the type of team that could put constant pressure on the defense.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, it’s often called soccer in Australia and other nations where another form of football is prevalent. Plus, the word soccer originated in England, where it was a play on “association.”

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by Max VV on Jun 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an add on to this, in the NHL Draft , Americans were just selected at an all time high (10 or 11 Americans drafted depending on your definition, Cam Fowler was a Canadian in US Developmental) and a lot of them were from irregular Hockey Markets like Florida and California.

That news is compounded by the fact that Russians were selected at an all time low, due to there not being a talent exchange agreement between the NHL and KHL (Russian Super League, basically Russian equivalent of the NHL but with money). That means teams weren’t willing to burn Draft Picks on Russians who might never be able to play in the US.

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by Mark D on Jun 27, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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