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Analyzing the Jets and Ravens: Who is Better?


The season doesn't begin to August, but with the draft over and with most free agents signed, many have begun to rank the teams for this season. And many analysts, even Madden, have put the Ravens just ahead of the Jets, despite the Jets making it to the AFC Championship game, having the highest ranked defense, and having an explosive offseason. However, the Ravens are a very good team, with a top ten ranked offense (Jets ranked 17th), a solid defense, and with great acquisitions of their own. Both teams play very similar styles, of course former Raven Rex Ryan is the head coach for the Jets, so that is a big reason to why. This should be very interesting to disect both teams, position by position, to decide who is the better one. Hopefully this will help you decide before the two face off in Week 1 on Monday Night Football.

*Re-did special teams section at bottom

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Quarterbacks - Mark Sanchez vs Joe Flacco

Right away, most would say Flacco would win this bout easily; Sanchez threw 12 TD's and 20 INT's and posted a 63 QB rating, while Flacco threw 21 TD's and only 12 INT's with a 88.9 rating. Yet, I'd argue that this battle is much closer than you might expect. The Sanchise did go through growing pains (and boy, did they hurt sometimes) in his rookie season, but he did turn it on when it was crucial for the Jets when it came to the postseason; he threw 4 TD's and 2 INT's, where one was an 80-yard pass to Braylon Edwards in the AFC Championship Game. The Sanchise was great when they most needed him to be and the Jets saw him mature in front of their own eyes. Joe Cool had a great sophomore season last year, but struggled in the playoffs throwing 0 TD's and 3 INT's. Sanchez did, however, have knee surgery during the offseason, but does appear to have successfully recovered. I would expect a jump in his numbers because he now has one year under his belt, and with Braylon and new race car Santonio Holmes, as well as LaDainian Tomlinson and Joe McKnight to throw to out of the backfield. Let's not forget about Flacco, who now has Anquan Boldin and Donte Stallworth to pass to. Both QB's should have a more productive year this year than last.

Edge Goes to: Ravens

In the end, Flacco does have a stronger arm and more experience. He has shown he can be a top QB in the NFL. But Sanchez isn't that far off; he doesn't have as strong of an arm, but has a more accurate one and can throw on the run extremely well, and could be a top QB one day, too.

 

Receivers -

Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, Dustin Keller

vs

Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, Donte Stallworth, Todd Heap

This comparison is just as close as the first one. The Ravens know Santonio all too well, and know how dangerous and versatile he can be. Holmes had 8 TD's and averaged 74.3 yards per game over the last 7 games against Baltimore. And everyone knows about his hands and footwork. But the argument is whether 16 games of Anquan Boldin is better than 12 games of Santonio Holmes. Holmes has been given a four-game suspension by the league for violating the substance policy. Boldin has great hands as well and is equally tough as Holmes. If there was no suspension, Holmes would get my vote, but since this is reality, Boldin wins this match up.

Next is Edwards and Mason. Edwards now has had a year to work with Brian SchottenheimerandSanchez and is expected to have a breakout season, especially when he is the number two receiver. Mason last year was Flacco's besttarget with 73 receptions for 1028 yards and 7 TD's. But Mason is already 36 and not getting any younger. It isn't known if he can keep up with the rest of the league and can stay injury-free, but has been able to do so so far in his career. Braylon has been known to drop passes, but is still a Pro Bowl receiver who is a deep threat. Braylon wins this one. Besides, his hands can't be this bad.

Third is Cotchery and Stallworth. Both will presumably be the third string wide receiver, yet I believe Cotchery has a big advantage over Stallworth. Jerricho entered last year as the Jets'numberone receiver, and finished last year with 57 catches for 821 yards and 3 TD's. He is known for his sure-handedness and his reliability. Plus, stallworth has been out of football for a year. And he has had a lot on his mind since the incident. Even before that, Cotchery is a better receiver than Stallworth.

Finally, the tight end bout begins. Up-and-coming star tight end Dustin Keller has been impressive since being drafted in 2008. He has shown his breakaway speed, his great hands, and his ability to run routes well. Last year, Keller had 5 TD's (3 in postseason). Todd Heap has shown he can be a consistent target as well be able to block very well. Last year he had 6 TD's. This one is hard to decide which end is going to be better, so I'll just say that Keller wins the receiving half, but Heap wins when it comes to being a traditional blocking tight end.

Edge Goes to: Jets

While Holmes is suspended for four games, the other Jets' receivers are all-around better than the Ravens'. Other than Edwards, the Jets' receivers are very consistent. Also, the four mentioned Jets all have playmaking ability. Boldin is a great receiver, but it will be interesting to see how he'll do without defenses worrying about Larry Fitzgerald instead. And Mason did have some costly drops last season. Additionally, while Heap is all around better right now, Keller is a better receiving option and a better playmaker, too. Although, I would give Mark Clayton the edge over David Clowney.

 

Runningbacks -

Shonn Greene, LaDainian Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Tony Richardson

vs

Ray Rice, Willis McGahee, Jalen Parmele, LeRon McClain

Last season, both teams relied on the run for offense. Both teams finished the season ranking in the top five rushing teams. The Jets may have taken a hit when they let Thomas Jones go and trading away Leon Washington after last year. But they did sign LT and draft USC back Joe McKnight. Bothwill help both the pass and run game, but LT is getting older and last year looked it. Personally, I think that it was in part due to a weaker O-line and that the Chargers began passing more. McKnight the rookie may be used sparingly this year so it's hard to tell whether or not he'll have an impact this year. The Jets do, however, have one of the best fullbacks of all time in Tony Richardson. T-Rich showed he could lead block for several backs last year, including Shonn Greene. And Greene had a terrific postseason last year, exploding for big runs and scores (304 yards and 2 TD's in 3 games).

Ray Rice also had an explosive postseason, mainly against the Patriots, with 226 yards and 2 TD's in 2 games. rice can catch the ball, too; he had 702 yards and 1 TD in addition to his 1,339 and 7 TD's rushing. McGahee was their redzone and goal line back last year and totaled 14 TD's. The two backs make for a strong duo in the backfield. Let's not forget Pro Bowl fullback LeRon McClain. He has been a very good lead blocker and pass blocker, plus he can run and catch the ball also. Jalen Parmele is young and can develop into a decent back, especially since most of the league has evolved into using two or three backs in a game.

Edge Goes to: Ravens

Ray Rice is certainly one of the tops backs in this league right now and McGahee is very good goal line back who will continue to pile up TD's. Parmele was a non-factor last year, but could be used more. And McClain could be the best overall fullback in football currently. The Jets do have a great running game as well, but I want to wait and see on what Greene can do for a full season as the feature back. And LT does have a chip on his shoulder, but he has to prove he still belongs here first. I think LT will have a nice season, but don't expect the LT from 2006. McKnight will be used, but is still a raw talent who could learn and grow from learning from LT and the great Tony Richarson.

 

O-Line -

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vladimir Ducasse/Matt Slauson, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, Damien Woody

vs

Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, Marshal Yanda, Michael Oher

Moving on to the big men up front, and boththe Jets and Ravens have top talent there. The Jets have Pro Bowlers at three of the five spots with Mangold, Ferguson, and Woody; and Brandon Moore is considered to be a top guard in the league as well. The Ravens have six-time Pro Bowler Matt Birk at center, with young, but promising tackles Oher and Gaither. Grubbs is coming along as well, but probably won't be as good as the aforementioned two. The Jets, however, released All-Decade guard Alan Faneca during the offseason and have left either young Matt Slauson or rookie Vlad Ducasse to win Faneca's spot. Both are unknown factors and are considered to be the weakpoint of the line for the Jets. The Ravens have a solid line as well, and with the blocking ability of Todd Heap, they get a boost there. Yet, the Jets O-line provedto be one of the best last year, where the Jets allowed only 53 QB hits, where Baltimore let up 72. The Jets' line also led the way for the rushing attack, which earned 172.2 yards per game (first in 2009-10). The Ravens finished fifthin that category with 137.5 yards per game.

Edge Goes to: Jets

Despite the loss of the great Alan Faneca, the Jets' line has better veterans. While the Ravens have Gaither and Oher, D'Brickashaw is already considered one of the best left tackles in football. And even though Matt Birk has been great, Mangold is easily the best center in the NFL, thanks to the help of ex-Jet Kevin Mawae. Don't get me wrong, both lines are top notch, but the Jets' line is just a little better.

 

D-Line -

Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, Vernon Gholston, Mike Devito, Sione Pouha

vs

Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, Trevor Pryce, Terrence Cody

There are more linemen than the nine mentioned above, but it is unclear how everyone on both teams will be rotated, including Cory Redding and Jason Taylor. After Big Jenks, the Jets don't have many big time pass-rushing linemen, just great schemes from head coach Rex Ryan. Vernon Gholstonhas switched to DE for this, likely his last chance to succeed with Jets. If he can do well, he can greatly boost the Jets' number one defense. Now, the Ravens. Ngataand Pryce have been big for the Ravens the past few years, each becoming Pro Bowlers. Pryce had 26 sacks in his four years with the Ravens. Ngata has been one of the most dominant defensive tackles in the NFL piling up tackles and stopping the run; now, he has been converted to defensive end and should get more sacks as a result.

Edge Goes to: Ravens

Ngataand Pryce make for a powerful force at the end positions. They should both have great years, despite Haloti's pectoral injury. Kelly Gregg is consistent and Terrence Cody may not play much this year, but can be effective because of his size when he does. The Jets have no one that really impresses me, other than Jenkins, but do have Rex's schemes which make their line as formidable as any other in the league. However, the Ravens' line is still better.

 

Linebackers -

Bart Scott, David Harris, Calvin Pace, Jason Taylor, Bryan Thomas

vs

Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Tavares Gooden, Jarret Johnson, Sergio Kindle

Now this match up is very interesting. Former Raven Bart Scott has taken command in the locker room as well as on the field for the Jets. Because of his willingness to take hits for the team and to take out blockers, he helped propel David Harris to his breakout season last year (127 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 2 INT's, and 2 forced fumbles). They call themselves "The Odd Couple" because of their off-the-field nature, yet both work together extremely well. They could possibly be the best MLB tandem in the NFL right now. Next, Calvin Pace had a four game suspension last year, yet still managed to get 8 sacks. This year, he should be able to gather double-digit sacks. And all-time great Jason Taylor and Bryan Thomas will be sharing time at LOLB; Taylor should see a good amount of time at LB and DE and should get a good amount of sacks himself, but Thomas can cover tight ends and backs and is better at guarding against the pass.

Ray Lewis is one of the greatest linebackers of all time and still is one of the best in the NFL today. And while he takes the attention of the offense, Terrell Suggs will spin his way to the QB. But last year, he only totaled 4.5 sacks in 13 games. On the left side, Jarret Johnson had 6 sacks last year. Ray-Ray's 3-4 partner, Tavares Gooden, only had 47 tackles with 0 sacks. After Lewis, there is a big drop-off in talent; Suggs can be great, but was very incosistentin getting to the QB last year. But rookie Sergio Kindle could get an opportunity to rotate with Johnson, and we can see if the second-rounder can be productive.

Edge Goes to: Jets

Despite having Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs, the Ravens' linebacking core is weaker. Ray Lewis is better than Scott and probably Harris, but Gooden is a huge drop-off from there. And Suggs does have a slight edge on Pace, if he can remain consistent, but JT and Thomas are better than Johnson. And it's too soon to see what Kindle will do.

 

Secondary -

Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool

vs

Fabian Washington, Domonique Foxworth, Lardarius Webb, Dawan Landry, Ed Reed

This one isn't nearly as close as you might think. Darrelle Revisis on a completely different level from any other corner currently in the NFL. With comparisons to the likes of Deon Sanders and the ability to shut down any receiver in the NFL, as well as be a playmakeron defense, he is an incredible talent. With the addition of Cromartiefrom the Chargers, the Jets secondary took a huge leap forward, the year after it was by the best in the NFL (153.7 yards per game, over 30 yards less than second least). Kyle Wilson is already considered one of the best corners from this past draft, and would play in nickel and dime packages. Jim Leonhard, as both Raven and Jet fans know, is very tough and is a leader on defense. He can blitz, stop the run, and still play the pass. Brodney Pool could be the most underrated acquistion by the Jets in the offseason; he had 7 INT'sover the last 2 seasons despite being injured both years. 

Ed Reed could be the greatest free safety in NFL history, but he has had injury issues of his own. Landry has been solid since regaining his job from Leonhard and did have 4 INT's last year opposite Reed. After that, their secondary is a little shaky; their top four corners only had a combined 6 INT's (as many as Revis alone). They have no shut down or real number one corner as of right now.

Edge Goes to: Jets

Darrelle Revis is just too good right now to not give the Jets the edge here. That's not even considering Cromartie or Wilson. The Jets' corners are superior to the Ravens', but the Ravens do have the edge at safety if Reed stays healthy. In the end, the Jets'secondary with Rex Ryan's schemes is the best in football.

 

Special Teams -

Kyle Wilson, Brad Smith, Nick Folk, Steve Weatherford

vs

Chris Carr, Lardarius Webb, Billy Cundiff/Shayne Graham, Sam Koch

Rex has already said that Kyle Wilson will enter the season as the starting punt returner. At Boise State, he was considered to be one of the best returnmen with explosive speed and toughness. Carr is also a tough, solid returner, but hasn't been as explosive. It's hard to translate from college to the pros, but Carr hasn't had a return TD in his five-year career. Brad Smith and Webb both showed explosive speed in the return game. Webb averaged 26.2 yards per return with one TD. Smith averaged 31.0 yards per return, including a 106 yard TD. Nick Folk was released by the Cowboys last year because of his inconsistency, while Shayne Graham was great all year, until the playoffs. Weatherford averaged 42.0 yards per punt and Koch averaged 43.7 yards per punt, but Weatherford can do trick plays because of his athleticism.

Edge Goes to: Neither

With playmakers all over the special teams, it's hard to not give this one to the Jets. But Folk can really bring the ST down; Graham and Cundiff are both more consistent than Folk. It's hard to tell who really is better at punter, but frankly, who really cares? Koch is probably a little better, but Weatherford can run trick plays well. And Wilson is an unknown commodity now, so maybe Carr has the edge there. It's pretty even if you ask me.

 

And, yes, the Jets did make it to the Championship game versus the Colts, but the team the Ravens lost to was the Colts as well. Maybe the teams are far more equal than anyone would've thought. But, in the end, it's up to you to decide who you believe is better. I've given my opinion, but now you pick who you think will be better this year. I am also posting this on Baltimore Beatdown if you want to see the Ravens' fans' perspectives.

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Great post.

Its close. The Ravens look really good. If Cody legit, their front 7 is going to be sick. If Kindle is legit, their D is going to be sick.

But I think they might struggle offensively, or least not live up to expectation. I don’t think Boldin will hold up all season. He has a history of being dinged up often and that was as a secondary guy; as the primary guy he will be hit even more often and probably more often injured. I’m thinking he’ll miss at least 4 games. If he does, they might be forced to lean too hard on little Ray again.

For uthe Jets, its all about Sanchez. I’m hoping he’ll pick up where he left off last year, managing games and leaning on the run game while making big plays at crucual times. We’ll win a lot of ball games if he does just that. If he starts to show glimpes of greatness, we’re going to be very tough to beat.

by Crackback on Jun 19, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, if Sanchez can play safe and be consistent, then the Jets will go far this year

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice post.

the most surprising thing in your post was that madden 11 ranks the Jets 4th. they should have been ranked first. :) i think rex is rubbing off on me. looking forward to a great season.

"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."

by rick34125 on Jun 19, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

And we all know if Madden says so, we know it’s true… right Saints? (Ranked 74). I think we’ll be ranked higher by the ned of the season ;)

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown, and pretty objective IMO. I would however give the special teams nod to the Ravens. Brad Smith is more than productive as a kick returner, but we haven’t seen anything from Kyle Wilson yet, not to mention the potential trainwreck that is Nick Folk…

by nationalist88 on Jun 19, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I did think of giving the special teams a tie, but supposedly Folk is having very good results in OTA’s and the Minicamps

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post!!

I have to admit, that team is scary. I’m glad we open with them at home. Yet, that game is no guaranteed victory. I think we can tear up their secondary, only if we stay clear of Ed Reed.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Jun 20, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It does upset me a little that the Giants get to open against the Panthers (easy win), while we have to play the Ravens for our 1st home game.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post, these are the two teams to beat in the AFC this year...

it obvious that a lot might change this year I think when all is said and done though the Jets may wind up having the edge at QB and RB and the Ravens the edge at LB. It also obvious that they are very close at most positions the big edge goes to the Jets though because I think at two spots (DB, and OL) they are significantly better, where the Raven clearest win is DL, which is still pretty close (although Cody and Gholston’s years will be big difference makers).

by Judgegavel on Jun 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

it may be a little foolish of you to think you are that much or even better then the Raven OL

Todd heap is a blocker ,their two tackles are budding machines. and they have the 2nd or third best center in the game. couple that with no ?’s at any spot and they have just as good if not better line then the jets.
 IMHO its a little foolish to think after losing leon,fanica,and tj and adding a rook that the jets line is gonna look anything like it did last year. Def step back.

by Troy O on Jun 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, both lines are in the top ten, at least, but Nick Mangold is the best center, D’Brick is a top 5 LT, Woody and Moore are both very good, and Ducasse or Slauson are the only ?‘s. The Ravens, as of now, only have 1 Pro Bowler. They have some solid starters in Yanda and Grubbs, but they’re nothing special. I’ll give you Oher and Gaither, assuming Gaither doesn’t get traded.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I thought he did too, but did a little research. He’s going to be in one soon enough though.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grubbs nothing special? Do some more research. He’s a first round pick on his way to several future Pro Bowls.

Gaither and Oher are both excellent, top-ten tackles. Grubbs is a top-five guard, and Birk is still one of the best centers (top-three) in the game. Yanda is a very good guard too. There was even some Pro Bowl talk surrounding him (although, I’ll agree that’s unlikely). The point is that the Ravens’ offensive line is much better than people realize.

I love the Jets’ line, so I’d have to say it’s a toss-up. However, I would take every Raven offensive lineman over every Jets’ lineman (except Mangold) if I had to keep the player over the next five years. The Ravens have tons of upside on their line.

by BAL_Hawk on Jun 21, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, let me rephrase. Compared to Oher and Gaither, he’s not that special, in my opinion. And I agree that the Ravens’ line is very good, it is at least top ten.

by Jaime S on Jun 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand that opinion. Gaither and Oher are the stars of the Raven’s line, but Grubbs is an unsung hero.

by BAL_Hawk on Jun 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s what I meant the first time, sorry about the confusuion.

by Jaime S on Jun 21, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since when does Leon or TJ have anything to do with the O line...

Faneca was the biggest liability on the line, and is being replaced by a rookie stud.

We have the best center in the game.

They are switching Oher to LT, that makes him a bit of a ? in my book.

Better we are, much we can be if Ducasse is the real deal, and Slauson reaches the level Callahan think he can.

by Judgegavel on Jun 20, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well since the linemen have to block for the backs, their numbers have a lot to do with the O-line.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right but my response was to Troy’s post where he said

IMHO its a little foolish to think after losing leon,fanica,and tj and adding a rook that the jets line is gonna look anything like it did last year.

Leon and TJ, and any RB benefits from the line, but they do not in any way make a line better.

The only one that makes sense is the loss of Faneca, and I cedrtainly think while we may drop a little in run blocking, we will be much improved at pass blocking.

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faneca WAS a road grader. Last year he was pretty much solely good for run-blocking. Dude gave up the most sacks and QB pressures out of any guard in the league last year. We didn’t replace him with a dude who was a LT in college for nothing, man.

Combine that with acquiring Holmes and it kinda says more about what we’re gonna do next year than anything else…

by Exystence on Jun 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And even in run blocking he was a little over rated

his biggest asset was he was probably the best pulling guard in the league, but otherwise the Jets would mostly run left.

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I do think the Jets and Ravens will see each other in the postseason, maybe even in the Championship game.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

agree with most all your points

but to gloss over Nick"cant kick"Folk was your only glossy glasses mistake . FG kicker is the QB of ST. With out a good 1 u dont have a shot in hell..can easily cost you 2 or 3 games.

by Troy O on Jun 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

So we should have stuck with Feely? Shouldn’t you as a Giants fan know more than anyone else here how that ends up working out…?

by Exystence on Jun 22, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

jets vs ravens

this is a great post for position vs position analysis, but not very insightful. Sanchezv and Flaco will never be on the field at the same time. It is not a contest of position drills. same goes for every other position. The perfect example last season….I hate to admit it but Patriots Tom Brady is better than Sanchez, but the Jets won the first game. Brady was playing against our corners, not Sanchez. I am more intrested to see how jets running backs stack up against ravens Linebackers or how Ravens wide recievers match up against the Jets Corner-backs. Ravens offensive line VS. Jets Defensive line. etc. When the clock starts it is not a skills or position drill contest it is offense vs defense. I honestly dont know the particulars of the ravens Offense and defense, so indepth match up commentary would provide more insight. Me personlally I dont think there is a quater back in the league that can match our backfield especially not Falco

by willmpk on Jun 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right that they won’t be on the field at the same time, but I’m not previewing the Week 1 match up, but rather just seeing which team has advantages at certain positions; I’m trying to show which team can actually be better throughout the season, not just in one match up.

by Jaime S on Jun 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

in response to judgegavel

No offense but what basis do you have to say that the jets could end up being better than the ravens at the QB and RB positions? Sanchez was mostly bad for the entire season until he ended up having a decent postseason. and Shonne Greene really only had three good games, what makes you think he could do that for an entire season? Ray Rice was outstanding last year and ended up 2nd in the NFL in total yards behind only Chris Johnson, who is semi-decent I guess (lol). And correct me if I’m wrong but Le’Ron McClain was the starting FB in the Pro Bowl last year. Willis McGahee wasn’t too shabby either, and if you’re going to say that Greene is going to be great because he played well at the end of the season, McGahee ended the season with a couple great games as well. Idk I mean I suppose anything is possible but it just seems a little crazy to say that Jets are superior at either of those positions.

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

sorry I don’t mean to come off as a troll mouthing off here I am just legitimately curious as to the basis of your statement. great article by jaime s tho very well done

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, my good man

by Jaime S on Jun 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He gave the edge to the Ravens

At QB & at RB? I am not sure what you mean?

by tom spicer on Jun 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats easy, like I said they could...

I’ll start at RB, Greene if you watched him last year had a lot more than three good games, its just that he had limited time, every time he touched the ball he was impressive, not saying he will or is going to be better than Rice (he’s not the receiver Rice is), but compare their rookie years and Greene was flat out a better runner. The bigger impact is going to be with LT, his last two years he was being used incorrectly and was on a bad run blocking team, sharing the load this year with a chip on his shoulder he’s going to light it up, even if slightly diminished he is a first ballot HOF, who is only 31 (yes with a lot of miles), and a great receiver. McKnight is more a project , but may be the perfect replacement to Leon Washington. At FB McClain may be good, but Richardson is the best ever, and Conner is a huge prospect who could wind up being better than both.

As for QB, the only thing Flacco has on Sanchez is arm strength, Sanchez is better in the pocket, better on the move, and is more accurate. If he can out grow his rookie mistake (which he should), he will be the better QB.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok well it may or may not be true that he was a better runner than Rice when you compare their rookie years, but Ray Rice certainly improved dramatically his sophomore year, considering he was 3rd in the NFL in yards per carry out of RBs who carried a significant load of their teams carries (im saying this is 150+ carries). Perhaps you could argue that stat is a bit arbitrary, but overall he was 7th in the league while having the 9th most carries. Also as you stated yourself, Ray Rice is a dynamic pass catching back as well, averaging 9 yards per reception last year which was good for 5th best in the NFL amongst RBs.

Richardson very well may be the greatest FB ever, but his 58 total yards last year (48 rushing, 10 receiving) compared to Le’Ron McClain’s 321 yds (180 rushing, 141 receiving) are pretty poor. I realize a FB’s value isn’t based on just his yards from scrimmage but you can’t argue that it certainly is a factor. In addition, Richardson is going to be 38 this season, is it ridiculous to say he might be getting a little old to hold up for an entire season? McClain is 25 and coming off two straight pro bowl seasons, so I think at this point in their respective careers its tough to say that Richardson has the upper hand. On top of that, McGahee is 2 years younger than LT and averaged more than 1.7 yards per carry more than LT last year. By no means is he a better RB when their careers are looked at, but I would say the argument is similar to the McClain v. Richardson debate. On top of that, I would also argue Jalen Parmele should at least be considered in the same light as McKnight. Idk why I’m making such a big deal about this I just don’t really think you can say the Jets have the upper hand here

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

in addtion...

ps its prolly also a bit ridiculous to bring up a rookie (John Conner) being better or even anywhere near as good as Richardson and McClain this year, especially since you said yourself that you thought Richardson was the greatest FB ever.

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said “could wind up being better than both”, didn’t say this year, but I was bringing him up from a depth perspective, which will factor in to this year. And yes he may wind up being even better than Richardson, the scouting reports are that good.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

To compare Richardson to McClain as far as stats is moronic, Richardson never carries the ball, thats not his game, he’s just the best blocking FB in the league. How many times has Richardson blocked for a 1000+ yard runner? When was the last time Richardson missed a game due to injury? He has not slowed down a step in the last 5 years.

LT is a far better receiver than McGahee, hell he’s a better receiver than Rice. And don’t even try to compare them based on last year, SD run blocking was horrid.

Parmele’s talent level isn’t close to McKnights.

Its actually pretty silly to you to argue with me on stats, my point was that I think they will be better, not that they had a better 2009. The Jets running game was a product of their o-line last year, you would know that if you watched them. TJ’s 1400 yards were in spite of his running not because of it, he constantly was slow to the hole, would run into his lineman, and go down on first contact. I fully expect if they both stay healthy and share the carries LT and Greene will go over 1000 yards this year.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomlinson is not a better receiving RB than Rice. What has LT done recently to make you think that?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 27, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhh

OK fair enough, but the article was comparing the teams this year. McClain is a pretty solid run blocking FB, considering he made the pro bowl the last two years over Richardson and blocked for Ray Rice as he emerged into a star last year. Stats aside that’s a fact you can’t argue. The last time Richardson made the pro bowl was in 2005, and I suppose pro bowls are not the ultimate judge of greatness but it is supposed to identify the best players at each position. McKnight has never played an NFL game so idk if you can say he has NFL talent yet. Parmele obviously is not outstanding either, I’ve just been hearing a lot of reports saying he’s been having a great offseason and could emerge as a solid runner this year. However this is obviously speculation, as is everything surrounding McKnight. WRT LT and Rice’s pass catching abilities, I won’t solely argue off of last year. Maybe LT still has the upper hand, but it has to be barely. Rice is definitely more dangerous after making the catch at this point in their careers.

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Right but my response that you were questioning said...
…a lot might change this year I think when all is said and done though the Jets may wind up having the edge at QB and RB and the Ravens the edge at LB.

I was predicting what I was thinking will happen this year/in the future, not really disagreeing with what Jamie said.

McKnight and Parmele have both proven nothing, but McKnight was also one the most highly recruited RB’s coming out of HS, that has far superior talent than Parmele. He may amount to nothing but he certainly has higher expectations and potential than Parmele.

And yes Pro-bowl doesn’t mean crap…Faneca made the pro-bowl last year and he was awful, made it totally on reputation. Hell Vince Young and David Gerard made the pro-bowl last year, enough said.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and for the record...

I was assuming you meant that when all is said in done this year that the jets RBs and QB would be better. Idk if thats possible but perhaps in a couple years you’re argument will be more valid. regardless im done arguing this we both have made our points nothing else can really be said

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as I’m basically the only pro-ravens person commenting on this article I suggest you guys go over to BaltimoreBeatdown if you are interested in seeing some debate from the other side of the coin. I’m clearly not the top Ravens analyst around so if you’re interested in some other arguments being made by all means check it out

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

uhhhh...

seriously the jets Rbs are not really that close to the ravens RBs. If you guys still had thomas jones you would have a argument but at this point you have an unproven running back in shonn greene, a declining RB in LT, an a extremely old richardson who is still arguably one of the best in the league. McClain at this point is just a better overall fullback than richerdson at this point of his career. Lt recieving wise, at this point of his career can not hold a flame to Rice’s (rec) ability. Greene can end up being real good but at this point he is a question mark.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

ok I take it back there’s one more that just me hah

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree...

If you think TJ had a good year last year, or improves the Jets at RB at all, you obviously are just looking at the stat sheet and did not see him play at all last year. His stats were padded by the o-line. Honestly if you give either Greene or LT all his carries from last year, behind that line, they would have put up significantly better numbers. (based on Greene’s performance last year with TJ’s load he would have ran for 1,655 yards)

By saying Shonn Greene is “unproven” is simply ignoring the playoffs where he led the league in rushing (54-304-5.6-2), and was simply dominant until getting injured.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you’re saying here Judgegavel, but I feel as though most Ravens/non-Jets fans would still argue that that was simply a 3 game stretch and you can’t make an argument that he is a top tier back because of something like that. but he definitely has potential so I can obviously see where you guys are coming

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well thats as far as you want to take it we only have a small sample size...

that just happens to be in the most important games of the year.

You could also just as easily argue Rice only had one good year, lets see if he can do it consistently. It’s not like his sample size is all that much more.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Rice was by no means a slouch his rookie year. 8.3 yards per catch would have put him basically in the same position as far as receiving RBs as he was this last year and 4.2 yards per carry is pretty solid for a rookie. His sample size is pretty significantly larger

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its really not much...

considering their season (including playoffs) avg. look like this

Ray Rice: 199-1005-5.05

Shonn Greene: 162-844-5.2

Yes Rice is a way better receiver thats not even in question.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure where you're getting your info for Rice

according to ESPN his 2009 stats are as follows…..

Regular Season

254 attempts – 1339 yds – 5.3 yds per carry

Postseason

35 attempts – 226 yds – 6.5 yds per carry

Thats a cumulative of 289 attempts, 1565 yds, and 5.42 yds per carry.

Plus thats just last year, I was saying Shonne Greene has a much smaller sample size to look at, because even when you just look at last year his size is significantly smaller, and that doesn’t even begin to include Ray’s rookie year. Anyways I seriously digress on this debate lol

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting those stats? Rice rushed for way over 1,000 last season.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 27, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um read more carefully...
considering their season (including playoffs) avg.

avg. = short for average Rice had only 454 yards his rookie year for a 1005 avgerage per year in his NFL career.

by Judgegavel on Jun 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh really..

Thomas Jones had 1402 yards. Are you serious? I dont care how good your O-line is, to get that much yards he has to be doing something right. His stats may have been padded but how much padding is it? You cant just throw away 1402 yards out the window and think you are going to magically be better. It doesnt work like that. I would know how much of a contribution thomas jones is because i live in NY and i watch every single Jets game.

You cant base how good someone is going to be on just three games and a couple of appearences in the regular season. You have know idea if Greene is going to be able to handle the pressure of being the first option at RB. That is why he is a question mark.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Wrong, watch the frigging games...

TJ would have like 20 carries for 50 yards by the third quarter, and be driving us frigging nuts, then bust off a couple of decent runs because the o-line completely wore out the opposing defense. His stats were completely inflated because of that. I watched every single Jets game last year, did you?

As for Greene, it was a bit more than three games, including the playoffs he ran 162 for 814 last year (and thats with basically sitting the first seven weeks), which again is really not much less than your giving Rice credit for.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

cmon man I was trying to be un-biased here, you can’t possibly say its reasonable to put Shonne Greene on Ray Rice’s level. Noone in the world would join you in that argument except a diehard jets fan

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 21, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again see above for their season avg.

They are very different backs I’m not saying Greene’s better, but what I’m saying is Greene will be the better runner this year, baring injury I can almost guarantee he will have more rushing yards. He should have more TD’s (again rushing) as well.

Yes Rice will definitely have more receptions and more receiving and more total yards.

But now add LT who will have a monster year behind this line, and crush McGahee in all stats, and the Jets will wind up being stronger than the Ravens at RB this year.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

LT will have a "monster" year?

… and “crush McGahee” in all stats? C’mon buddy, it’s one thing to be optimistic, but that’s bordering on the delusional…

I think Greene will have a really good year though.

by lobsterfest on Jul 18, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok i see

That you cant understand. hmm how can i put this…… YOu canNot make assumptions based on three play off games and a decent regular season. You cant compare Ray rices rookie numbers to Greene because rice was a number three runningback. You cant make the assumption that LT will just magically become great again because what if he seriously declining? That would make him a question mark too. You can make all the guarantees you want but it is a fact that Greene is a question mark soley based on the fact that he did NOT start last year. No one knows if he can handle the pressure of being the #1 back.

You cant jump to the conclusion that the Jets have a better RB core based on question marks.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not jumping to conclusions...

I’m predicting never claimed to be doing anything more, your well with in your rights to disagree, but there is no right or wrong here till the seasons over, its just opinion.

Greene was the #3 running back for half the season, and had exactly one more carry (90 more yards) than Rice during the regular season when comparing their rookie years. So they are again actually very comparable.

With regards to LT your are completely ignoring the role the offensive line, and Norv Turner has had in his decline. Considering he’s being re-teamed with his OC he had the most success under, will be playing behind the best o-line in the league, will be sharing carries, and has a chip on his shoulder, I don’t think its magically, I think its pretty damn probable LT will have a great year.

Um again, Greene can obviously handle the pressure, he did so in three playoff games that would have more pressure than any regular season. With that regards you can actually say he has more experience with pressure than Rice’s one playoff game. Although, I’ve never really seen a RB effected by pressure.

The question should be more if he can hold up physically to the load (not the pressure), but he did have 300+ carries his senior year at Iowa so I don’t think that will be an issue.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas Jones

Yes i did watch the JEts games. a (couple of decent runs) like you stated does not equal out to 1402 yards. Why cant you admit that you guys were better with him. Getting rid of 1402 yards does not make you better unless your bringing in someone better. Which you are not

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Because we are not...

There is a reason Greene basically took over the starting RB role in the playoffs, he straight up ran much better than TJ. And now LT adds a dimension to the backfield we did not have almost all of last year with TJ, some one that can catch a pass out of the backfield, and has some off tackle/end around speed.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Judge is dead on about TJ. The guy never broke a tackle or made a guy miss; and i don’t know how many times i watched him take fall in anticipation of contact. For all the yards he had behind that o-line, he left a hell of a lot of yards on the field.

by Crackback on Jun 21, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

1402 yards adds up pretty quickly. I won’t repeat his game logs, you can check them out here: http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/gamelogs?id=JON755755 but if you take out his 3 longest runs and the first Buffalo game with 210 yards, he’d have had 307 carries for 1120 yards, 3.65 YPC, not a whole heck of a lot higher than LDT’s 3.3 behind a pretty unanimously thought lesser o-line. TJ had 7 games over 100 yards but 5 more less than 60. Give Tomlinson the same number of carries and he probably wouldn’t be a whole lot different.

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by FrankG929 on Jun 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was BIG on TJ

but I agree with the other guys. His success was behind our line. Maybe another won’t be able to duplicate that, but I wouldn’t be shocked if someone did. Because seriously all last year TJ would run a few yards and either fall down or drop on his knees as soon as someone touched him. I was beginning to wonder if he was calling it in on us.

I will miss those overall numbers though. And L.T. replacing him makes me cringe.

by Bro Namath on Jun 22, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

^

he knows what hes talking about !

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Concluding was a bad choice of words predicting is what your doing.

Ok so there rookie seasons are comparable my mistake, but you cant accurately compare the two only because of the fact Rice has one more year under his belt and has proven he can be a top 10 and arguably top 5 RB in the league. While the jury is still out on Greene because he was a rookie last year. There is still a possibility that Greene can be good but also there is a possibility he wont pan out. SO because of this he is a question mark.

OK you are making the assumption that LT is going to do good with your Oline. Your oline yes is the best in the league arguably. But what if LT is really on the decline? wouldnt that make him another question mark? …. just throwing this in there that Alen faneca is gone what if his loss is felt on the Oline?

Yes he did run better that TJ down the stretch but there were definetly some games were thomas Jones was very good as well. The Jets simply let the hot hand get the ball more that is all. That doesnt mean that TJ sucks it just means Greene was doing a little bit better than him down the stretch. Again you cant just thow away 14oo yards you just cant.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah you throw away 1400 yards when the guy can’t break a tackle or make a guy miss; and when the guy your replacing him with has freakish yards after contact stats.

by Crackback on Jun 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think you get

how much 1400 yards is. That is not something you just ignore. I dont care if hes not breaking tackles the man got 1400 yards! add that with his 14 TDs. His lost will be felt

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And You definitely don't understand the Jets running game last year

those 1400, had nothing to do with TJ’s ability, he was awful last year.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

1400 yards and 14tds awful

hey if you consider that bad ill take those numbers anyday.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

These guys are usually blind optimists

which must be frustrating to engage in debate.

But they are right. He wasn’t half as good as his numbers made him look. His YPC was getting dreadful near the end.

However, I’m with you on one thing. L.T. is not a suitable replacement for him. Some would say he’s not replacing TJ but they know what I mean, and are being purposefully ignorant if that’s their response.

by Bro Namath on Jun 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Optimist definitely, blind sorry no...

He is not directly replacing TJ, he’s replacing Greene/Leon for the most part. Anywhere from 150-200 carries, mostly running change of pace, and out of passing formations. I think he is the perfect player for that, if his wheels are truly gone we shall see. Greene is going to be getting the 300+ lions share of the load, short yardage, goal line, and obvious running downs.
Please explain how that is being ignorant.

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

You’re absolutely right. he’s not replacing the other big name veteran starting back with similar numbers, and awful YPC, the declining years, and the relatively identical contracts.

He’s somehow replacing Leon despite his declining years and complete lack of a special teams presence, not to mention the financial and fame differences. Or replacing a down field runner still on the roster who is several years his junior and draws no comparison what so ever. If Leon hadn’t of left I don’t know who you’d be chalking LT up to replacing. Being that LT joining the team was an immediate impact of TJ leaving. It was relatively instant
 
Ignore the skill set. Ignore the age and contract. Ignore the timing of bringing LT in relative to TJ leaving. Ignore what you can realistically expect out of a man his age to perform. Put it all on how many carries you THINK each back is going to get, before schemes and injury.

How ISN’T that ignorant?

by Bro Namath on Jun 26, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again

I’m responding to somebody who, lower on this page, openly admits that he thinks LT will top TJ’s 1400 yards. But somehow he’s not replacing him…

FYI people pull that not replacing TJ crap out of their butts because they know better. They know LT isn’t going to match the success from his role. You somehow think it’s going to be both ways.

by Bro Namath on Jun 26, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong...

Not saying he would, saying he could. I do not think LT will have 1400 yrds, Greene will be the featured back, LT will never get enough carries for 1400 unless Greene gets injured. I do however think LT will run better this year than TJ did last. Thats better with far less carries, meaning not more total yards but a better ypc.

by Judgegavel on Jun 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Greene doesn't go down

and we don’t have to find out how wrong you are

by Bro Namath on Jul 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point your ignoring is even if TJ was still with the team...

Greene was replacing him. He essentially replaced him in the playoffs. Bringing in LT makes the position better simply by his versatility at the #2 (which TJ had none).

by Judgegavel on Jun 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

^

Thank you someone admits that Lt is a drop from TJ.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again I think Rice is great...

but one great season does not place him in the top 5 RB’s in the league, and really doesn’t put him that far ahead of Greene.

Even if LT is in the decline, he can not run worse than TJ did last year, and as we all know he still ran for 1400 yards. Faneca’s loss might have a negative impact on the running game I agree (a positive and necessary one for the passing game I feel), but the Jets run to the right the majority of the time, so it would be less than you might think.

TJ’s very good games were few and far between, see FrankG929 response above.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

Chris johnson had one standout season do you put him in the top 5? just a question i want your opinion

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a standout as a rookie as well, so that’s not exactly fair.

by Exystence on Jun 22, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

would you have put him in the top 5 after his rookie season?

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but certainly after this one.

1200 yards in one season even if its your rookie, wouldn’t simply put you in the top five.

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO

like i was trying to get at you would put chris johnson in top 5 after his second season because he broke out. So why cant Ray rice be top 5 when arguably his stats reveal he is top 5?

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rice is the # 4 overall pick the fantasy. I think that means he’s arrived.

by BmoreBlitz on Jun 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes cause its all about fantasy #'s

thats completely irrelevant to the argument.

Rice is a stud no doubt, and a top back. My point is Greene is too.

My only argument is in comparison to Greene. If you think Greene hasn’t proven anything yet, you can pretty much make the same argument about Rice.

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

how can you put greene and rice on the same level ??? Rice hasnt pproven anything..(.-_-) i am not going to address that statement.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re not just fantasy numbers, they’re his stats. They matter.

Rice proved it the whole year. He was the # 2 overall player in yards from scrimmage. Greene did well in the end of the year. He will probably be very good this year. He didn’t do it for an entire season, so I don’t think he’s arrived yet.

by BmoreBlitz on Jun 23, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

=)

i thought i was alone here

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only has he had...

two 1000+ yard season, last season he ran for 2000+ yards, its a big difference.

And just to put this in perspective in the same amount of time in the league, Chris Johnson has 1,441 more rushing yards than Ray Rice. In comparison Ray Rice with one more year in the league has only 1253 more yards than Shonn Greene (not counting the playoffs).

by Judgegavel on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

chris johnson

had an extreme amount of playing time his rookie year. Plus Ray rices playing time his first year was very limited.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 22, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he was injured for more than half the games. His rookie year he barely saw the field.

by BmoreBlitz on Jun 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pressure

i mean if hes physically capable. Lets be serious the hits are way harder in the NFL than in college so throw that 300 carry thing out the window. Also with him being the starter teams will game plan for him what if he cant handle that?

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 21, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What you think Cincy, SD, and Indy didn't game plan for him

I certainly wouldn’t throw 300+ carries out, not at Iowa.

And all these arguments could be made about Rice, no one thought he was the starter coming into the season, so teams will be preparing for him this year.

by Judgegavel on Jun 21, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done Jaime

If you look at both SB Nation blogs your article has started an incredible amount of banter, with obviously much disagreement, but thats obviously the way it should turn out when two opposing fanbases are pitted against each other

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 22, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

btw

I’ve been arguing against Judgegavel for awhile here and I couldn’t agree more with you Jaime. Although Judgegavel makes valid arguments I think I couldn’t have summed up my rebuttals better than you did yourself, perhaps none of my comments were necessary (lol)

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 22, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job of keeping an open mind and judging them both fairly from what I could tell.

I give it to the Ravens being a Cards fan for so long I know what Boldin can do and hes gonna give the Ravens a big year even if he does miss a few games. The Ravens offense will run run and pass all over opposing defenses.

Remember no matter where you go in life...there you are!

by McCards010 on Jun 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

wow nice to see that a bunch of us different fans read all these different blogs. The Jets and Ravens are going to be great teams next year. I feel as though are Week 1 matchup could be a great pre-cursor to the season, but the potential rematch in the AFC Championship game could be an epic. Anyways, I greatly appreciate a Cardinals fan’s perspective here. I’ve been following Boldin for a while, considering he was great at FSU and I’ve always been a UMD fan. I’m very glad he’s a Raven now, and I bet he has many years of great playing left. If nothing else I’d love to see you guys get to the Super Bowl, you’re a great franchise that over the last couple years deserved a super bowl, especially considering I’m a Ravens fan (beat dem Steelers, lol)!!!!

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 22, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

ps apologies on the grammatical mistake on the use of are vs. our. Obviously I recognize my mistake I hope none of you Jets fans use that against me for my credibility, I’m a long time fan of these SB nation websites but a new member so I can finally comment…..

by TurtlePower88 on Jun 22, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

We can argue all we want about positions but the fact is Baltimore is still

not built to beat the top passing teams in the NFL. Look at their losses last year. They do not have the secondary to get by Indy, NE, or even Cincy for that matter. So from a talent perspective they may be our equals, they are the wrong team at the wrong time. The key to the Jets season is simply Sanchez, if he steps up they will win the AFC, if he doesn’t a repeat of last year or worse.

by Judgegavel on Jun 23, 2010 6:36 AM EDT reply actions  

We killed NE last year…….. in the playoffs. We should have beat Minn if our kicker didn’t shank a 42 yard game winner. Cinci doesn’t pass well anymore. In dy does have our #. It’s there O, it’s really there D.

by BmoreBlitz on Jun 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea

YOu guys definetly showed us how to beat Indy last year (-_-)

Our secondary was 8th in the nfl we have to be doing something right.
Our Offense can now keep up with high octane offenses.

Sanchez is your key …. good luck with that one i rather have our secondary be a question mark than our quaterback.

Anyway why are we arguing its going to be very difficult to beat us come week 1 because holmes will not be present.

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do not have the secondary to get by Indy, NE, or even Cincy for that matter.

I take you missed the wild card match up between BAL and NE where we forced 3 interceptions out of Tom Brady? Yea, we can’t get past them for sure.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 27, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That made you 1-5 vs those teams as oppose to the Jets who were 4-2

Not to mention your losses to GB and Min. last year. The Ravens do not have the proper players to even have a shot at beating the top flight passing offenses in the NFL. The Jets are built for it.

by Judgegavel on Jun 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you really say that

boldin is as equaly tough as holmes you got to be kiding me boldin is one of the toughest if not the toughest reciver in the game . in no way are they equal in that catagory

by bigshow954 on Jun 26, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

QB: Ravens
RB: Ravens
OL: Jets by slight edge
WR: Ravens
TE: Push
DL: Ravens
LB: Ravens
DB: Jets

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 27, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Doctor Gothic's shy reply ........

QB…..Baltimre slight edge . Bigger arm .
WR….Even . Not a compliment .
TE/FB Even . Compliment .
RB…Even . No proven weapons on either Offense .
OL…. I would say Jets but you dumped a great LG . Even .
K……. You skipped this so Ravens win by default .
DT…..Ravens by far .
DE…..Ravens landslide . Nice try but you can’t cover up this fact .
LB…Ravens starters and depth .
CB….Jets by far , DB….Ravens .nice try but why ? Jets solid winner .
Rest…….. Weak at best .
Coaching…….Jets .
Improved since last year ….Even .
Playoff win . Even . Not a compliment .
Superbowl chances : Well you skipped the category for a reason !!!

by gothicpurple on Jun 27, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

RB…Even . No proven weapons on either Offense

How is Ray Rice gaining over 2,000 total yards of offense last year not a proven weapon? Ravens RB are beyond the Jets RB.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 28, 2010 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

My sad attempt at being objective...

QB: Ravens – Not as close as Jets fans would like to admit, but not as far apart as Ravens fans would like to admit

WR: Very slight edge to Ravens – if Edwards ever lived up to his billing, I’d give the Jets the edge here.

RB/FB: Ravens easy – At this point in their respective careers, I’d take Rice over Greene (consistency a ? for both), McGahee over LT (pretty close though), and McClain over Richardson (McClain is younger, more versatile, and getting better. Richardson is still a better blocker, but much older and declining).

TE: Jets – If Heap didn’t have so many injuries over the years, this wouldn’t be a contest. Keller is a stud. I give the Jets the edge here.

O-line: Very slight edge to Jets. In a couple of years, I see the Ravens being better in this category.

D-Line: Ravens. The disparity between lines will increase dramatically if Cody can prove serviceable.

LBs: Even – If I see SLUGGS (a.k.a., T-Drizzle) rebound, and Sergio Kindle produce, I will give the edge to the ravens.

CBs: Jets by so much, it’s laughable. Really, I don’t feel an explanation is even warranted.

S: IF Reed is healthy, Ravens by a landslide. Since Reed is still rehabing his hip and has serious nerve damage in his neck, I’ll give a slight edge to the Jets.

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