Mangold Vents About Contract Status
by John B on Jun 16, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
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PrintDarrelle Revis isn't the only Jet unhappy about his contract. Nick Mangold unloaded yesterday to the press.
"I've tried to do the right things on and off the field, and I feel it's the Jets' turn to do the same. Not having that security of an extension is bothersome."
The Jets could always have Mangold play out the final year of his contract and then slap him with the franchise tag.
Even though that would guarantee him a large salary, the franchise tag wouldn't offer long-term protection against injury -- which is why Mangold remains very cool to that idea.
"It'll affect our long-term relationship," Mangold said.
"If they're going to let me go through the season without the security of a long-term deal [and then apply the franchise tag], I'm going to have to decide my wants and desires to be on a team that would allow that to happen."
Sometimes I really wonder what kind of advice these players are getting from their representation about speaking to the media. Offensive linemen under the franchise tag make $9.1 million in 2010. Does $9.1 million really not provide enough long-term security, Nick?
Mangold's the best center in the league. I'm definitely inclined to take his side when he says he's earned a new deal. I think Revis is right to seek a new contract also. People forget contracts are not guaranteed in the league. Teams can cut players at any time, and everybody is one play away from seeing their earning potential in the game end since the sport is so violent.
I would just like to see guys like Nick and Darrelle use a little more discretion in their comments. One-fifth of this country is either out of work or underemployed. An awful lot of people are struggling to just get by. Comments like these from athletes making millions of dollars to play a game they love show a lack of maturity and a real tone deafness.
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Now imagine if we give one player the deal they want.
Then all of these other players are going to cry foul, which is why I think the front office is hesitant to sign anyone. Heck, I’d extend Harris for not being whiner about this situation.
That’s pretty much how I felt about the Revis situation yesterday. Now it’s just turning into a bunch of crybaby millionaires standing in line at the owner’s office asking for more millions.
Plus, this whole attitude is what I’d expect from a team that won the Super Bowl. How about they do that first and then cry about everything?
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I agree Tim. Sign Harris and Brick for being good soldiers. Nice thought, but it’s the squeaky wheel that gets the oil in reality.
I’m of the camp that believes that considering the money pro athletes generate, they should probably be compensated even more than they do now, so I don’t really begrudge them for trying to get as much money as possible. But these guys seriously need to climb down from their ivory towers and look around at the landscape of the real world before they decide to make comments about feeding their families and sounding like they’ll be destitute if they get injured and can’t play anymore. They’ve already made more money than 99% of the world will ever make in their entire lifetimes.
I agree with the compensation point, but the problem is what the cap used to be, and what it might be when it comes back. If every player was paid based on level of play and revenue generated the cap would need to be considerably higher than it was.
by revis_island on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely. I guess my point with the first sentence is that owners are greedy sumumab****es who make entirely way too much money and really don’t care so much about the players or team so long as they make that money.
And that’s why the Steinbrenners are the best ownership family ever, but that’s another debate for another post on another website >_>
After what happened too Leon Washington these gentlemen are uneasy with the way management does not really care if they do get injured.It almost feels like management is trying to protect itself from having to pay injured players.It is indeed sad that many of us are underemployed but that doesn’t stop us from seeking better salary or more benefits elsewhere.The long term affects of being a football player even in the college level are very difficult later in life,these guys deserve all thay can get.
Leon created his own mess
If Leon had signed the pretty generous contract he was offered he would not be in the position he found himself in.
+100
Leon was offered a pretty good contract, especially considering he never proved he could handle a starters load.
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While I agree that Revis and Mangold are the anchors for the JETS and are due a decent raise, they do need to remember that there is a 22% unemployment rate in the US. Therefore most of the public may see them as greedy and self-centered. Just one very good piece of advice I can offer them both: KEEP THIS PRIVATE BETWEEN YOU, YOUR AGENTS AND THE JETS !!!. The media feeds off this crap—-shut them out and do what you believe right and real, PLEASE. We love you guys and I think the JETS will do right by both of you but it needs to be between you and them. KEEP THE DAMN MEDIA OUT OF IT—IT IS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS !!
well Mangold
just wait it’ll happen
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jun 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
It’s all relative, y’know. If more unemployed people out there had the skill set to do what Mangold does, Mangold couldn’t make as much. I never understand comparing apples to macaroons. As an individual who is currently struggling to find employment I have no problem with people in a multibillion dollar industry trying to earn their worth. Let’s not pretend that this money will otherwise go to a more noble cause. The players generate massive revenue and should be entitled to their fare share of it. Just like any of us would feel if our job generated that sort of money.
Mangold has every right to seek out a new deal, but when he’s telling us $9 million isn’t enough for long term security, it comes off poorly IMO. Regardless of his skill set, he’s a very lucky man to be in the position he’s in.
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Yes, but he has earned his right to a new contract. John, I know your a big time fan of these guys but I feel you almost always take the side of management. Management has yet to show ANY loyalty to their own. I love the team Mike T has assembled, but these guys have earned their contracts. Mangold, best center in the league. Pay him. Revis, best corner in the league. Pay him.
I don’t always agree with how some players go about getting their point across, but this is not a new way of negotiating. They are putting pressure on management in order to get their money and they should do whatever they need to to get their contracts. Obviously we would all want them to keep their comments to themselves, not hold out and play for peanuts, but that won’t happen. These guys have been nothing but professionals since they’ve arrived in New York and they have paid their dues. Pay them.
What has management done to prove that these guys will get paid next year? Look at what happened to Leon last year. Threatened to hold out, but sucked it up for the good of the team, got hurt and got dumped. You can not seriously blame these guys for not trying to get the contracts they deserve.
The 22% unemployment rate should never be brought up when discussing a player’s contract. IF HE’S NOT GETTING PAID THEN WHO IS??? Woody Johnson. The same guy thats trying to rip us off with these PSL’s. How much did Woody spend on the stadium thats split between 2 BILLIONAIRES? Peanuts. 9 million a year to woody johnson is like $9 a year to us. Lay out the money and take care of your own!!
Leon was offered like 1.5 mil a year, remember?
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Leon was a victim of his agent
Who encouraged him to demand more than he could realistically expect to get.
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but he has earned his right to a new contract.
No. He hasn’t. Nobody has the right to get a new contract. It’s a privilege and an option only if both sides are willing. The way it has always worked was you sign a contract, and throughout that contract you prove your worth for the next one. This one isn’t close to being over. He oughta shut up, roll in the millions he’s already acepted and suck it up like his predecessors always had to,
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You can not seriously blame these guys for not trying to get the contracts they deserve.
I’m not taking management’s side, and I don’t blame them for that as mentioned twice above. I blame them when they use language like the ability to feed their family or long term security when they’re already making more than most make in a lifetime. If they really feel that way, they need to get a clue.
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I guess I see long term security as not just enough to get by or even live comfortably, but also as the maximum realization of your worth. I absolutely despise the sort of contracts given out to high draft picks, but I just can’t bring myself to be angry about a person who has earned it expressing the desire to be compensated, even if the terms he uses might make some people uncomfortable.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jun 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
but I just can’t bring myself to be angry about a person who has earned it
That all depends on your definition of “earned it.” He’s earned what he’s already gotten and a reasonable raise. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but through the first 4 years of his contact, including this upcoming year, he’ll make $15-16M. Roughly $4M per year. Now he wants to quadruple that? In what universe is it reasonable for anybody to expect a 400% raise? Just because someone else is getting that much doesn’t make it right.
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when you take the number 27th defense in the league and make them the number 1 defense. When you take the no. 18 rushing team in the league and make them the no. 1 rushing team in the league. when you take a small company and put them in the forbes 100…thats when
Somebody must've gassed ya team
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What DG said. The best should be paid accordingly.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jun 17, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, but wasn’t he ON that 27th ranked defense? It wasn’t just him that turned it around. Granted he was a big piece, but these guys make way too much money already. I’m sorry, but paying anybody upwards of $10M a season is ridiculous. Heck, I might even think over a couple million a year is too much.
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I have no problem with people in a multibillion dollar industry trying to earn their worth.
Their worth? That’s a pretty subjective thing. What happens when their salaries cause the minimum ticket price to be $1000 and the stadiums are half full. The situation is spiraling out of control.
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The minimum ticket price does not rise because of player contracts. The players are investments. Ticket prices were on the rise long before players started demanding their share of the pot. If it worked the way you think it does, there would be far fewer multimillion dollar contracts. Agents would have far less bargaining power. And worth is not subjective. There are very objective dollar signs attached to jersey sales, merchandising and ticket sales.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jun 17, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like and agree with your viewpoint on this, especially given your situation. It’s similar to actors. Johhny Depp MADE Pirates work, so him being paid ridiculous amounts of money for the acting in the movie just makes sense. It’s insane, but fair.
by revis_island on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
But wouldn’t it have better for the world if he made 1/3 of a boatload of money and the average family could go to a movie more than once a month because between ticket prices and concessions, you’re dropping like $60? Actors get paid too much in the grand scheme of things as well, IMHO.
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But you’re attacking the wrong people, don’t you see that? It isn’t the actors’ fault that the prices are crazy, and the same goes for the athletes.
by revis_island on Jun 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
People forget contracts are not guaranteed in the league.
And why should they be? The rest of the workforce doesn’t get guarantees, and these guys make a hundred times more than the best of the general public.
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I think they should be guaranteed (at least more than currently) because it’s a contract. Keyword: contract. Other sports have essentially 100% guaranteed deals and football is a lot more violent so I can see the point of the players on that one.
by revis_island on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They also generate a hundred times more than the best of the general public. A fact that is very often glossed over, but a fact nonetheless. The common man gets no guarantees, but these are not common men. They are modern gladiators. They put their bodies and health on the line for our amusement. They have earned the finer rewards such as guarantees.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You put your foot in your mouth on this one:
They put their bodies and health on the line for our amusement.
How about people who put their bodies, health, and lives on the line for our safety? Shoot, I’d rather see police and firemen making boatloads of money.
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I really don’t see how I put my foot in my mouth. I never once said that the people who put their lives on the line for us deserve less. It would be wonderful if those people could be paid like football players, or better. But the fact is, keeping us safe doesn’t generate lots of money. Their salaries come from taxation, and the idea of taxation (whether or not it is the reality…) is that we all pay our fair share to the people who serve us. If I am richer, I will pay more. And that is exactly how these owners should have it go.
I have no vested interest in seeing millionaires become multimillionaires. But ticket prices go the way vendor food goes. The owners see a chance to make a huge profit, so they use it. Do you know how angry it makes me to think of all the places that stopped allowing you to bring your own food and drink in after 9/11 under the pretense of safety concerns? Do you think there wasn’t a thought there to how much money would be earned if people were left with no options outside of the stadium products? It certainly isn’t right. But for these owners to pocket all that money without giving a hefty share to the individuals who are directly responsible for creating that cash flow… that isn’t right either in my book.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jun 17, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And why should they be? The rest of the workforce doesn’t get guarantees, and these guys make a hundred times more than the best of the general public.
I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t be. It just means you can’t blame a guy for asking for a raise when his price is high. If he was performing poorly, the team would throw him on the street for nothing.
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The main problem with NFL contracts is there being no rookie scale…Vernon Gholston is making more than Darelle Revis….Matthew Stafford is making more than Peyton Manning…Install a rookie pay scale and problems like these won’t arise. Teams will have more money to throw around to their stars and more players would honor their contracts.
The NBA has a set pay scale where the longer your in the league, the higher your base and max salary can be. Contracts are then guaranteed and you don’t have players holding out for better contracts.
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Definitely not a clear cut situation...
I have mixed opinion on this topic. I personally like many believe that these guys deserve to get paid. My problem is I would hope they care enough about winning to forego some of the money so the team can sign other important pieces. I think that it’s crap for anybody to expect that the owners make ridiculous amounts of cash while players are doing all the work that puts the butts in the seats. At the same time it has to be realized by the players that although there is no cap right now if one returns that this team has other decisions to make…not only do we have Mangold and Revis to worry about, what happens if a cap is back in place next season (an unknown cap at that) and we have resigned Harris and Ferguson…are we going to be able to keep either Holmes or Edwards…what about Cromartie…can we afford to fill any other holes that develop? I hate to agree with a Patriot player current or past but I saw Teddy Bruschi on ESPN commenting on the Revis contract situation and he was noting that the idea is for the Jets to build a dynasty but in order to do that team leaders like Revis need to sometimes sacrifice a little (paywise) so that the team can keep and add pieces. This isn’t MLB where the owner/team can spend several countries economies to fill positions…there was a cap and my guess is there will be again. To Mangold and Revis…help us get these championships while you still have your youth and ability then get your money a little later off the reputation you build. Also something else to add to this…not so much on Mangold’s part but right now Revis needs to be making money on endorsements…be a spokesman for something and get paid that way…get the championships and respectable pay on the field!
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