OTA's Day 4: Will the Real Nick Folk Please Stand Up?
by Matt Birch on May 20, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
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There was plenty of good news surrounding the fourth day of OTA's: Talks of Sanchez being sharp, looking comfortable and threading balls through tight seams. And Braylon Edwards catching nearly everything that came his way, including of a couple of "ducks" from Erik Ainge. Cromartie also, who was reportedly blanketing Cotchery and even returned a few kicks.
And then there was Nick Folk.
His first four kicks as a Jet --- MISS, MISS, MISS, MISS.
Finally, towards the tail-end of today's OTA's, he made one. Unfortunately, a 20% clip won't cut it in the NFL.
Will he still continue to blame his inconsistencies on his ailing hip? I sure hope not, and apparently, neither does Rex, who told Newsday's Bob Glauber what his feelings were on the issue:
"Nick has to make a couple, or else we'll find another kicker."
We let Jay Feely go for this?
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Glad Rex is being proactive about the situation, though.
If Folk keeps stinking it up, it’s time to look elsewhere.
Ive always been on the anti-Folk bandwagon, so take that with a grain of salt. Bit of bias, still miss Feely very much.
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Who do you want, Jay Feely or Jason Taylor? That’s what it comes down to.
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Feely.
He will win/lose more games singlehandedly for us than Taylor will.
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No way. He’s stil a kicker. Our defense couldn’t close out games, because we lacked a pass rusher. There’s a reason pass rushers are drafted in the first round and kickers are picked off the street.
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by Ryan Alfieri on May 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because teams that play smash-mouth football don’t find themselves in many close games, which magnifies the importance of a kicker….
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I think the key is
How much more valuable is Feely compared to the average kicker? I think that the gap between the average pass rusher and Jason Taylor, even at this stage in his career, is larger than the gap between the average kicker and Feely. And I can guarantee you that Taylor is gonna be rushing the passer a lot more than Folk/[insert kicker here] is gonna be placekicking.
1 major flaw in your statement
folk is below average. dont forget FG kickers account for the most pts on the team .feeley accounted for 122 pts. next closest was thomas at 84. dont undervalue the kicker ..that motto did well for the pats and, colts ..Ask buffalo how they feel about Scott Norwood .i myself love him,but i have a good reason for that….
Haha, well of course you’d love him. But the thing about Norwood is that he wasn’t a below average kicker. He was with them because he was good up until that fiasco. If Folk sucks, there’s no reason we don’t give him the boot (no pun intended). Plus, an INCREDIBLY underrated stat for kickers—kickoff length average. Kicking the ball just 5 yards deeper could be the difference between 3 and 0 points for the opposing team—and points prevented are always more significant than points scored. I’m pretty sure that Folk is DEFINITELY better than Feely in that regard.
At this point in time, how do you feel about Nick Folk being the starting kicker for the Jets?
At this point in time, I don’t think he’s our starting kicker.
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Has Leigh Tiffen signed with anybody yet?
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on May 21, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions
Let's not miss the point....
The poll belies the gist of the article. Virtually no one at this point has much confidence in Nick F in the field goal category. It’s too late to argue about Jay vs. Taylor. This is where we are. Now, who’s our kicker gonna be. Because while the offense should be improved somewhat, this part of the game is crucial to a successful season. And while you may have a winning season with a so-so (or worse) kicker, a team that relies first on its defense will not advance much beyond that point.
And for the record, I was a hugh Jay fan.
I’m not sure what you mean in this sentence:
And while you may have a winning season with a so-so (or worse) kicker, a team that relies first on its defense will not advance much beyond that point.
I feel like our team is based on relying on our defense first, and I’m pretty happy with having that as our foundation. Am I misunderstanding?
Lets look at most of the super bowl winners and ask if they relied in their defense to win. The 85 Bears, 00 Ravens and 02 Bucks are the most obvious but remember the 04 (or was it 05?) Bears, They had Grossman at the helm and see how far they made it.
The problem with that statement is that the Jets dont solely rely on their defense, they added Edwards, Holmes and LT exactly so that wont be the case. And are we forgetting about Sanchez, Cotch, keller and Green? Not to mention Mcknight might be another X-factor to complement Smith.
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[Stretchy yawn] Can somebody please wake me up when he misses a kick that actually means something.
Training camp didn’t even start yet.
Do you really want to sleep till then? I mean it might be really important. The problem is that people were expecting this and now they feel entitled to bash him. He has good coaching and plenty of time to right the ship. But the Jets should start looking for other options just in case.
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I agree that other options should be explored. They should have been anyway. But im not going to hit the panic button bc of a bad day in OTAs. And not going to pretend Feely was automatic. I remebemr Buffalo and I remember Indy. Feely wasn’t all world last year, and he has never been all world in his career. Its not like we let go of Viniteri in his prime.
This can be painted over with the brush of green optimism as it usually is with this team, but the hard facts remain: this offseason, we have downgraded the kicker position. Period. Maybe by a lot. And downgraded at RB twice, and downgraded at LG. The only improvements that are a given are at corner and WR. Is it enough to compensate? Nobody knows for sure, but one thing all longtime fans can agree on is that this team just seems allergic to prosperity, and will invent incredibly creative ways to avoid it.
by nationalist88 on May 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Based upon last year, you can say we downgraded at kicker.
We definitely upgraded at RB, Greene is much better than TJ as the featured guy, and LD/JM will be much better than Leon was last year and they will be much better than Leon will be this year. And LD/JM will be much better than TJ was last year in the back-up role, mostly bc they each can catch it out of the backfield.
Faneca was way over-rated and couldn’t pass block a lick. Ducasse will be just as good of a run-blocker as Faneca and he certainly won’t be worse of a pass blocker.
I do agree that we will probably find a way to fall. We always do. Last time we got all geared for a Superbowl run we lost 2 QBs for the season in the first half of the first game.
what are you basing greene over TJ on?
1 guy does it every year the other never played a full year of NFL ball..
Man ! talk about “green optimism” NOW Ducasse is better then a pro bowler…i would offer you some more paint but as usual it seems you have plenty to go around.
Rex knows the score!
Rex knows the key to any defensive-based team is reliable field goal kicker. All the big games come down to that field goal.
Not to make excuses, but Rex also mentioned part of the reason for the misses may have been the snap and the hold. I’m trying to find out whether James Dearth is in OTAs and if the new guy is having trouble or whatever.
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Well, Manish Mehta just tweeted that Dearth is not on the team, therefore he’s not in the OTAs. Again, not to make excuses, but that could be a factor.
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I've tried to email Revis, but it just shuts down my computer.
That was always going to be an issue. It’s too soon but I have no faith in Folk at all, and sometimes you have to deal with a bad snap or a bad hold, and from the accounts the kicks went up they were just not accurate. Probably had something to do with the hold but when your coming off the season he had, you need to start right from the very start. Rex should and probably already is keeping an eye on kicking situations at other teams.
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