Rex Expects Big Things From Kyle Wilson
Rex Ryan is expecting rookie corner Kyle Wilson to make an immediate impact.
"I was a rookie [head coach last year], and my expectations were pretty high," Ryan said. "My expectations for [Wilson] are that high, too. He’s coming in here to be the starting nickel on the best defense in football. I think he’s going to be great."
The Jets are going to need him to step right in and make an immediate impact. Getting to the Super Bowl will mean going through potent passing attacks of teams that line up regularly in spread formations like the Colts, Chargers, and Pats.
The good news is corner is one of the easiest positions to transition from college to the pros. Darrelle Revis played at a high level from day one. Now we can't expect Wilson to ever be as good as Revis, but he does have number one corner ability and will only be number three on the depth chart.
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I think hes gonna be great too.
Really excited about this guy.
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I'm excited about having a good nickel.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Hey guys – Just FYI… You guys have the 18th oldest starting OL in the NFL…
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The one question
…that few seem to be answering while they are getting so excited about the secondary is whether Poole is going to be able to replace Rhodes. Say what you want about Rhodes, his “failure” was a failure of incredibly high expectations: become a Ravens’ safety, THE dominant playmaking player on the field. Okay he was Hollywood, okay he didn’t communicate well with Leonard, but having a potential hole at safety – and the issue isn’t raw skills, its awareness and ability to read – still isn’t thrilling. It’s not something that is going to be fixed this season, its just something that will keep the defense from firing on all 11 cylinders. Match that with potential issues up the middle on the line – yes Jenkins is back, but – correct me if I’m wrong – the Jets were run-on a bit in the first few games with Jenkins if I recall. The D-line looks good, but not REAL good. Defenses always have to be strong up the middle. Its true in baseball, its true in basketbal, and in football as well. The Jets ARE strong up the middle, but in kinda a spotty way, a way in which if problems developed you would have to say, it doesn’t shock me. The backers are A grade but there are some question marks and when safeties fail, points are scored. Does this mean the Jets don’t have a better defense than last year, not at all. It is MUCH better, but will it be statistically better, that will be interesting to see. Last year’s team had dramatic late game defensive failures that pretty much would have condemned their season if there hadn’t been some serious gifts from the football gods. The way it performed in 4th quarters was horrendous at times, sometimes being plain gutted by the run (Miami), sometimes being passed on at will. The sign of a dominant defense (and let’s admit it, that is what the Jets defense was claiming to be last year), is when the 4th Q comes, its over. In a sense, the margin for error was just too thin last year, and teams throughout the game could save up strategies to exploit in the end. Last year’s defense was not great in the way we would like to remember it. Or, it was inconsistently great. This year Rex and team worked to widen the margin for error, the moved the central focus of the defense over to the corners more, and got corners they hope can pick the ball. It has to be a scoring defense to make up for the built-in possibility that they can be gashed. Let’s see what happens.
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Quite simply put, Yes Pool can fill in for Rhodes without a doubt, according to PFF he missed less tackles and QB’s had a lower rating when throwing into his coverage. He doesn’t have the profile of Rhodes because unlike Rhodes he keeps his mouth shut and just does his job. He tackles better, and he can deliver a hit. There were holes all over the Cleveland secondary and Pool still shined. Is he as good as Rhodes….probably not, but is he noticeably worse? absolutely not. I know it’s easy to get on a guy who doesn’t have a high profile, but people are going to be pleasantly pleased when Pool steps up this year.
In fact the concern is not whether he can play as well in this defense (I think he will be better than Rhodes in this D. It’s whether he can stay healthy). Let’s not kid ourselves here, Kerry did have high expectations, but he was also not a reliable line of D, most highlights will show him arriving late on a tackle and picking up a nice stop statistic. He never bought into this defense, and he refused to hit people (I only remember one note worthy hit all season, and that was against #85). Rhodes was a good player, but he was far from an all pro. Add Wilson in there, and a player who will actually want to learn from Leonhard in Pool and this secondary has the highest ceiling possible.
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I pretty much agree
…with your general assessement , aside from its genuinely over-positive guess about how well Poole will do. What was expected from Rhodes was to be a playmaker, the guy who is freed up to change the game. This definitely is NOT what is expected from Poole. My overall point is really to temper the enthusiasm for the secondary, and thus by extension the entire defense. Hell, Poole might be great, we just don’t know, he is a huge question mark. I’m pretty sure Rhodes would have done better in the second year than he did in the first.
And I agree, having young, positive players who buy-in is a big plus, but young players need to learn, habituate was is needed. The defense will have a learning curve, again. Will you accept a defensively mediocre first 4 games next year? Baltimore, New England, Miami, Buffalo, they could be 1-3, and 1-2 in the division. I’m not saying this is the case, I’m saying let’s be sober, a defense as complex as this with new major players needs time to gell. I think the Jets defense can be murderous by the end of the year, especially if Jenkins is rested and healthy, but it will take time.
[another paragraph] Lastly, last years defense was much over-rated, and part of that is because Rex likes to refer to the stats to pump up his team and fans. The defense was shredded, and I do mean shredded, at some of the most important times in the season. This never happened to the bears 46 or the better Ravens’ Ds. It lacked a certain toughness, and was something of a bully defense. When it got you back on your heels it could crush you, but what does it do in 4th Qs? In big games? It was deeply inconsistant, and not all of this was Rhodes’ fault.
As I mentioned before, the big question will be, can the D pick it and score. This will change everything. Rex’s defense is designed to be a scoring defense. If they can’t (and I expect they will) they will have many of the same flaws as last year. The Jets got a two game gift last year, that is HUGE.
by kv on May 2, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think an often overlooked aspect of the defense is Pace, and just how good he really is. I t hink the addition of a legit pass rusher opposite Pace, in JT (who, although he isnt dominant anymore, can still get it done) will allow Pace to get in more one-on-one situations and we’ll probably see an increase in production.
Remember, he had 8 sacks in 12 games last year. If we project that over 16 games its about 11 sacks. If gets his production into the teens and JT adds 10ish and you throw in the pressure created from our blitzing… we’re talking about a formidable unit. There will be lots of errant throws and lobs caused by contact. I think the turnovers will be there. And if Poole is more of a hawk than Rhodes we will be in good shape.
While I do think Pace is underrated you have to remember that 3 of those sacks came against the Raiders. And they are not exactly known for there pass protection.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on May 2, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be really interesting
…to see what happens to Pace with Taylor here. I think we all expected something big from Pace, and maybe his re-joining the team was a hidden key to the recovery from the Jenkin’s injury. You’d expect that the Pace/Taylor pinch should make one of them unstoppable. Maybe Pace will start to shine, and not so much Taylor.
by kv on May 3, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Pats select Kyle Wilson at 27
Do the Jets take Devin McCourty 29?
Great Question
McCourty was the Pats guy from the get-go. The way they traded back and fourth for him makes me think there was no possible way thay would have choosen otherwise. And the Pick makes perfect sense for them as well. McCourty is a swiss army knife. He can play on both sides of the SP plus he can start in the nick spot right away. That is the quintessential BB guy hands down. The knock on him, despite what the guys at Pats pulpit will tell you, is that he can get beat down the field for big plays. He cannot compete with big guys. Long story short, Devin has a limit to his ability and it’s already been realized. Wilson is a shutdown specialist who has no limit.
Fun fact: Ever since McCourty’s coach got on a local New England radio station and compared Devin to, and I quote… “that kid the Jets have who came out of Pitt (Revis). Yeah, they have the same type of game and ability” the Pats faithfull have been sucking the Koolade on this kid big time. Foolish IMO.
To honestly answer you question. No the Jets had Wilson so high on their board that they were probably leaping for joy in the war room every time he silpped another spot. It was by sheer luck that Bill B had a chubby for McCourty bc of his VALUE. Im not sure they would have given Devin a second look to be real honest.
The Pats can have their VALUE. I’ll take the kid who ‘s gonna help shutdown the spread in the post season anyday. I still can’t believe he fell to us.
by colinyoung on May 2, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think yes. Seams to me that nickel was a spot they really wanted to address, and from a quality perspective it was the best position to draft there. Rumor has it though that they were so high on Ducasse they were considering taking him in the first, so I guess its how high they had McCoutry rated.
I think they would have taken McCourty
…because I’m guessing that a big not-so-hidden motivation behind Wilson is that the Jets don’t 100% believe that Cromartie is going to be the impossible stud he atheletically promises to be. They just cannot afford to be left without a 2nd shutdown corner next year if they have to let Cromartie go (which I think they will, because his season will be a mix of incredible flashes and big mistakes, and mr. T is going to make some hard choices with so many contracts due).
by kv on May 2, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont agree at all
It’s well documented that Rex was really high on Cro when he hit the draft. They believe Antonio can shut down the rest of the field while Revis keys in on the top guys. It’s not a hard to argue that Cro could have a field day against lesser talent. He loves to bait QB’s and could end up with a very high pick nummber. I dont think Wilson is an insurance policy at all. He is here to bc the team had HIM that high on their boards. Not just the best CB available. Devins skill set is very different from Wilson’s. McCourty dosn’t fit as well with the Jets.
by colinyoung on May 2, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether Rex was high on Cro
when he was coming out of college (several years ago) says very little about how he (or Mr. T) assess him NOW. (It amazed me how much this little tidbit kept being repeated over and over.) Who wouldn’t be high on Cromartie coming out of college, the guy is a freak and probably a better athelete than Revis. I agree with everything you say about the top-end of what is possible with Cromartie, the thing is, he’s a bit of a boom or bust guy (and I think he is going to be a bit of both). The defense definitely plays up his strengths, but there are other factors. For instance we don’t know how he is going to handle NY emotionally, not the press, the clubs. When he starts being a star and starts partying in NYC, the lady list will increase, no doubt. It doesn’t both me, but if he doesn’t do the film work he could be wildly inconsistent. There is a bottom on this guy, otherwise SD would have gotten more for him (don’t you think?).
I’m not down on the pick up at all, I too think he is going to kick ass picking balls out of air and returning them with amazing skill, its just that mr. T has already shown that he can get rid of players unexpectedly all in the name of a few millions, and frankly there are much more important players coming up for contract next year. its just a guess, but unless Cromartie has something more than 3 spectacular TD returns (which will drive his price up like crazy), Tanny will say, let’s save the money and get a good nickel back and slide Wilson over. It is exactly the kind of thing he would do. He just let go of a 9 time pro-bowl guard on the best O-line in football for less than 3 mill on an uncapped year (!?). He is ALWAYS thinking ahead.
Cromartie is in an odd position. If he does incredible he will likely price himself out of the Jets plans next year (Revis vs. Cro), and if he is inconsistent he becomes expendable because of Wilson. He has to be baby-bear, just right, and be willing to take a little less than the open market would pay him. Maybe he will.
this being said...
I am hoping that Cromartie can be the Pippen to Revis’s Jordan. There is that distinct possibility.
by kv on May 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I look at the overall depth of the team and I just can’t get the idea around my head that we would jump at a corner to sure up depth that already has two probowl talents without the strong possibility of keeping all three for a few seasons. I agree that there is a possibility that Cro could perform his way out of town if he thinks he is suddenly owed a ton of money. But I think it more possible that there are other players on this team that we would opt not to pay. If this defense plays at the level some think it is capable of I doubt that Rex will be so quick to split up the best reason why it was so effective. I think fans will see at least 3 or 4 other players leave this team before Antonio. Just my opinion.
by colinyoung on May 2, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I think if Wilson isn’t there, then we were taking Hughes. Just by what I heard after the draft about how high we were on Hughes.
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I'm curious, do you see David Harris or Nick Mangold
…or Revis being among those that get let go (Revis is likely forcing a big extension)? Which players do you think that the Jets will let go if Cromartie has an incredible season, and suddenly thinks he is a top 5 corner (he might get a lot of system picks and even TD returns)? Do you think that Tanny would keep 2 high priced corners, with one young stud waiting in the wings? My sense is, not – and of course we can disagree. Part of the reason why Tanny let Fanica go was because he could not give Mangold the bargaining leverage of having paid the worst lineman on the Jets nearly 8 mil. If Fanica gets 8, how much would Mangold get? Its pretty much the same nightmare for Revis, if Cromartie gets x, what in the world would Revis get? Perhaps the Revis extension gets done early, but even if that’s the case, can you see the salary distribution skewed so heavily to the corners?
I don’t know, maybe I’m looking at it wrong, but I find it hard to believe that Cromartie will be here unless the Jets win the superbowl and he decides he just doesn’t want to leave the team.
by kv on May 3, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why speculate on the moving out of the 3 best players on our team when 2 players you mention could have alot of sway in the decision making (Cromarti and Wilson) havn’t even played a snap in Jets green yet? Im all for a lil guessing but that seems like too much speculating with WAY too much football yet to be played. The only thing we can say as fans is that we would hope the established leaders on this team would get first crack at the big money and Tanny will judge the performances of our new FA’s and keep the ones that helped our team the most. I mean… What else can you say?
by colinyoung on May 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“Im all for a lil guessing but that seems like too much speculating with WAY too much football yet to be played.”
This is the thing though, decisions have been made by Mr. T which are extremely speculative because they had be made before all that football has been played. The fun is to think along with Tan, at least for me. What I find interesting about how Tannenbaum is handling things is that he constantly has had an eye on the following season, despite the illusion that the Jets are going for broke. The selection of Wilson was a multi-year strategy, as obviously the Fanica and Jones decision was as well. Tannenbaum has to ask himself: What if Cromartie goes blows up? What if Cromartie crashes? Its kinda cool how calculated he is. One gets the feeling that he is something like Theo Epstein, giving values to everything and running simulations left and right.
I agree with you on this regarding our CB situation. Wilson is primed to take over for Cromartie next year if they play up to expectations. What do you think the plans are in regards to our WRs for next year?
receivers
I think the receiver issue is very tricky. Edwards I sense is close to becoming a “real” Jet, buying into the Jet philosophy, potentially becoming a devestating downfield blocker, and most importantly, not trying to break the bank. The only thing that can take that train off the rails is his drops issue. But I have the intuition that if he is A grade in all the other areas mentioned because he’s not a main offensive cog they would keep him even with drops :(.
Holmes signing mystifies me some, and smells of Tannenbaum snagging up extreme value as soon as he gets a chance, just because he’s so good finding it. It was a great move, but how many balls is Sanchez really going to throw this year? Okay, it gives us a fantastic possibility of going high octane if we get in a shoot-em-up, but if we don’t play that way all year, its unlikely we can turn on the passing attack in a moments notice, certainly not enough to keep up with the Saints or Colts if the defense breaks down.
So despite having a huge number of offensive weapons we just are not going to be passing that much, especially down field (barring injury to Green and LT, which isn’t out of the realm of imagination). We are going to pound and pound. I think Rex really likes it that way (and it is necessary to keep the defense fresh). Where does that leave Holmes? His numbers are going to be down (few touches, – 4 games), and he is likely going to have maybe 3 game-breaking spectacular plays, maybe one or two in the playoffs. That is what he was brought in here for. What does this mean for his free agency? He’s going to lack some leverage with other teams, the whole question will be: How happy is he buying into the Jets’ philosophy and playing in big market NY. He was really good in the Pittsburg system, but he’s going to get even less action here. My guess is that both he and Edwards will be back, mostly because BE will take a deep discount to be a winner and to fit in somewhere. If we miss the playoffs though, that’s another story.
Everything I say above changes if Sanchez changes if Sanchez for some reason becomes the offensive focus of the team, prematurely. I’m guessing that they want to keep him under wraps for one more year before they start tossing it around more. But if Sanchez starts making use of his plethora of weapons with game changing frequency, the culture of the team might shift. The media will lock onto Sanchez and it will be harder than ever to let go of either of his receivers. QBs and receivers come to be identified with each other as part of the team image. If Sanchez-to-Holmes becomes a signature of the season, Holmes will be back. Again though, I think one more year of Sanchez handing off, just to be smart.
Frankly, if LT plays his role well (a complimentary one), Green runs hard and doesn’t fumble, and the defense scores taking the pressure off, this offense is frightening in a sneaky way. It puts pressure all over the defense.
by kv on May 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’ll ground and pound with a big play, vertical passing game. Edwards, Holmes, and Keller each put a lot of pressure on safeties and will create match-up problems if left one-on-one.
Holmes I think was an amazingly shrewd move by Tanny. I agree that Edwards seems to be the priority. But the signing of Holmes sends a message to Edwards that there are other options if he decides to be a problem. Also, with his 4-game suspension, Holmes will be in the hole as far as putting up the numbers to leverage a big contract is concerned; and it will be difficult for him to get looks from Sanchez for at least a couple games bc he already has an affinity for Cotchery, Braylon is a big play threat that he looks for down field and who he will have more time to develop a relationship with, and Keller seems to be emerging as a target of trust. Mix that in with some easy check down options to RBs, in addition to an already run-predicated offense, there might not be too many balls coming Holmes’ way. He might be had for a relatively cheap price at the end of the season.
100% agree
…and now that you mention Cotchery, he might do some really good things in the slot, especially with Keller clearing out (and Sanchez’s comfort level). I hadn’t really thought about it recently, but I could see him being a fantastic security blanket against the nickel back, even better han Keller.
by kv on May 4, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think we’ll be able to do some things when we go four-wide. Especially if we use some triple-sets. Keller/Cotch along with Braylon and Holmes working out of trips is tough to handle.
don’t you find Cotchery to be underated, in an odd way? For a bit of perspective just look back to this reasoning 11 months ago:
http://turnonthejets.com/2009/05/22/can-jerricho-cotchery-be-a-1-receiver/
by kv on May 4, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He definitely underrated. He had over 80 yards receiving last year. Thats with a mistake-prone rookie QB in a heavily weighted run offense. If Sanchez progresses like he’s shown he can, and we open it up a bit, Cotch will put up some nice numbers.
but honestly
…if Sanchez puts up let’s say 27 attempts, completing 16 (being a little generous), how many of these are going to Cotchery?
Maybe 4? At most 50 yards a game (with 3/4 season in the slot). I’m not sure about his numbers, but he will change games and keep drives alive. Mabye something like Chrebet’s 2002 season:
rec 51 yds 691 ypg 13.5 td 9 long 37 rec/g 3.4 yds/g 46.1
by kv on May 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to guess what Mike T is thinking makes my head hurt. I couldn’t possibly go there. Wilson is a good fall back plan if Cro crumbles. And it’s a great observation. Weather they made the decision to draft him on that premise? No clue. I personally think they picked him up on a best available talent perspective and it just looks like they did it with a mind for Wilson to be Cro’s back-up plan. Again, It has already been said that Rex was practicaly praying for Kyle to keep dropping to them.
As WRs go… Again, it all depends on performance. If Edwards keeps dropping balls and Holmes starts catching balls with his fingernails, I wouldn’t be suprised to see Edwards go at all. Holmes is going to miss alot of time with his QB. That could hurt him alot in terms of job security. With the WR’s the playoffs will tell the tale. One of them is bound to have that career game or amazing game winning catch the decides weather they get the bigger offer.
by colinyoung on May 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
I agree, playoff performance is going to be big
…a classic Edwards red zone catch to win (or drop), a Holmes swing pass blistering the field for 60, and the image of the player really changes. Receivers more than any position other than QB become defined by particular plays. Tannenbaum will see through that some, but both receivers are here for the playoffs.
by kv on May 3, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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