Faneca, Ellis, and Bryan Thomas to be Released?
by Matt Birch on Apr 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
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PrintNational Football Post's Michael Lombardi from posted an article this morning discussing some moves the Jets may be planning to make.
Here is a quote from the article:
Speaking of the Jets, they are actively shopping guard Alan Faneca, defensive end Shaun Ellis and linebacker Bryan Thomas and will probably waive these players after the draft. You might be surprised to read Faneca’s name, but he’s the first to go after the draft.
Bryan Thomas being on the trading block is no surprise to anyone. He's been on it through the majority of the off-season, and rumors of him being released spread when the Jason Taylor talk began heating up.
This is the first of any news relating to Faneca. He WAS very sub-par in pass-blocking last season and struggled in that regard. As the year wore on, he started to show some signs of wear and tear heading into the playoffs. However, he is a very hard worker and fought through the pain. The Jets must have taken that into consideration though, and are obviously worried about his durability.
It's the Shaun Ellis mention that surprises me. The 11-year veteran has been a Jet his entire career, but has sustained a couple of injuries that he's been fighting through. He had surgery on his broken hand in the off-season, and has also been fighting recurring knee problems.
This must be the beginning of the Jets rebuilding their defensive front. Remember, they have four defensive lineman over the age of 30.
Also in the article, Santonio Holmes takes a pay cut:
The Jets recently reworked Santonio Holmes’ contract to lower his base salary, so the amount of money that’s deducted for his upcoming suspension will be less. When Holmes was traded, most of his money due in 2010 was in the form of his base salary, but since he became a Jet, the team shifted the money into roster bonus, reporting bonus and signing bonus so Holmes would pay as little as possible for his fine. This clearly cannot make the NFL league office happy and goes against the spirit of the suspension.
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Don’t understand why in a year with no cap, we would further decrease our depth. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all. If we cut Ellis…who do we have left? with Douglas gone. It just doesn’t make any sense
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If we come into the 2010 having to rely on Vernon Gholston, all these off-season moves could be completely wasted.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll be too bad at DE actually. Last year held the point of attack well and was good at tying guys up. He couldn’t shed anybody to save his life, but he wouldnt be bad I don’t think. Who knows? Maybe the Kraken will be released when he gets his fist in the dirt.
Hey VG could possibly do a job, but hell if I wana be relying on that guy to perform in a year that we are supposed to be challenging for a Superbowl. A risk not worth taking, I don’t see the point cutting Ellis this year.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If JT comes, then BT is probably gone, can live with that.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
they’re prepping to say that JT will be a JET today?
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Another strange little tid-bit...
Leon Washington is not listed on the roster in the Yahoo Jets page. Sup with that?
Listen Lombardi, I know it’s 420 today, but you need to put down that pipe when you start posting stuff like this…. I hope NFP haven’t gone down the PFT route and decided to start making sensationalist claims to get hits. Especially after we just partnered with them.
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This is a smoke-screen.
No way they’re going to leak out that they’re going to release somebody if they don’t trade him. Makes no sense.
I have this sinking feeling in my stomach
that we’re going to sign Haynesworth
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as a 3/4 DE
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That contract is downright nasty, that really would be Mike T playing Madden.
I don’t want to go into the season with a rookie starting on this offensive line.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither do I, Dave
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I did hear
that the ‘Skins are trying to make it more palatable for teams.. something like $10mil per season.. can’t confirm though.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Contracts not too bad actually. All the guaranteed $ has already been paid.
But as intriguing as it would be, his attitude is too much for even me to handle. I think he’s too much of a team killer to take on. But then again… Watching him and Jenks out at DE with Mt Olympous in the middle would be damn fun to see.
Yes but
just seeing him in all those NFL highlights with that god AWFUL SCOWL on his face is enough of a deterrent for me. Pass, thanks.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is his attitude really that much of a problem?
We have to remember that he’s with the Redskins up till this offseason were starting to get up into Raiders-esque levels of self-sabotage. Bring him onto a team that’s actually a contender under a coach who could motivate a tree to walk and I don’t think he’ll be quite as surly.
yes but are you willing
to take that risk? surely, you can cite our other offseason acquisitions, but we didn’t sell the farm to get them, ya know? holmes, edwards, cromartie, and LT are all playing with chips on their shoulders, whereas Haynesworth already has his contract and isn’t necessarily SB-bound-or-bust like LT is.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta take PSLs into consideration also though. And I think people would pay to see a D-Line of Jenks, Haynes and Cody. All 350+. Its another way to garner interest and create a buzz.
good point +1
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so. People ho recognize good D-line play aren’t the ones that need interest.
by Ryan Alfieri on Apr 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The ones that need interest are certaintly going to have their interest piqued by the anomoly of having 3 DLs on the line that are 350+. That gets people talking. Its simple to grasp and easy to recognize.
Still not buying that you would split up what looks to be a good team, get rid of three veteran leaders, bring in a problem, all in the name of people being interested in seeing a lot of meat on the defensive line.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on now. That D-line would be dominant. Pouha and the Kraken could be used to spell. It would be damn fun to watch.
Fun to watch? sure, but paying a ridiculous PSL price for the privilege to watch, are two very different things.
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Casual fan says, “Wow, three 350 pounders? I was on the fence before, now Im in. These guys are gonna destroy people.”
lol I don’t think so, QB’s sell PSL, hell hof RB’s sell PSL’s, loud mouthed defensive lineman don’t. Especially not to a casual fan.
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i dunno how things are across the pond
but in america, most ‘casual fans’ are drunk as hell.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m American, an I can probably guess that most Europeans laugh at how “little” alcohol Americans consume lol.
by Ryan Alfieri on Apr 20, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough,
but i’d gander that most casual fans have no idea that any of this stuff is happening. Some start paying attention at the beginning of the season, and then even more only start paying attention once playoff time rolls around.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Are the casual ones the ones buying PSL’s though?
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so true.
i forgot what the argument stemmed from. +1 david.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Of they are. Not everybody that buys a PSL are absolute die-hards. They’re trying to bring inthe crowd that are fans and can afford it. You don’t have to be a die-hard. And chances are that if you convince people that they have a Superbowl winner on your hands, they’ll be more likely to buy in.
Not everybody that has season-tickets are as astute as others. Many are just as suckered by the flash and dash as anybody else.
Yar
I agree with DW, you know what piques interest in a team? winning games.
Shit or get off the pot!
by Mass Jets Fan on Apr 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryan Thomas keeps getting better
I’d be pissed. I’d rather have Bryan Thomas than Taylor. Way more.
Thomas is getting really good. Ellis is still actually good. And like previously said, he is at least consistantly decent.
Faneca was the start of the emergence of the O Line as a top one. Give him one more year to help this team win the Super Bowl. I hope this is BS.
Bryan Thomas is so totally underrated
It would be a total shame to let him go. He’s one of the best run-defending LOLBs in the league, and although he doesn’t close the deal often last year he was constantly generating pressure in the pass rush.
Likewise, Shaun Ellis—who’s a better 3-4 LDE in the league? He does everything you can ask for in one. He’s getting old, but he made the pro bowl last year. Even as an injury replacement, for a 3-4 DE that’s pretty damn good.
While both of them may be publicly underrated,
they may just as well garner some good trade value to teams who watch tape. If the price is right, and ONLY if the price is right, I could live with the two of them being traded. I’ve never been high on Faneca, as anyone who’s read any of my O-line posts will know.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but there is something to be said for keeping an O-line together who has played in what? 40+ games, even if it is only for one more season, he is a great run blocker still
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by Mass Jets Fan on Apr 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. While the season was ongoing I can’t remember there being too many complaints about Faneca’s decline, or his pass blocking skills. This was known as one of the best if not the best offensive line units in the league for a reason.
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Besides, it makes no sense to release Ellis and Thomas. Faneca, maybe, if his production does not match his pay. But releasing Ellis has no benefits.
All three should be back IMO. Even if the team signs Taylor, Thomas would be good depth because of how he plays the pass and run. Getting rid of Ellis and Faneca would be beyond puzzling. I know Faneca wasn’t very good as a pass protector, but his ability to pull was key in the run game. Don’t touch the best offensive line in the game.
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Maybe the target is Pouncey with a handshake deal already in place that includes Leon. Oooh. My wheels are churnin.
Or the Packers?? They are interested in Westbrook, and could get Iupati or Pouncey at their spot.
by Ryan Alfieri on Apr 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Breaking up one of the best units and putting your faith in the unknown in a year where we are supposed to be SB contenders, makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, but if Faneca is an absolute liability in the pass game as it is, and these two guys can both excel at run-blocking, then dumping Faneca and sticking one of those two between 2 Pro Bowlers isn’t so risky.
It’s still risky, I wouldn’t say he is a liability, he has slipped but like you said earlier in the year, numbers are unreliable in football. From what I have seen he is far from a liability in pass protection. May not be that good anymore, but he’s not a liability.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Im trusting the coaches here if the move is made. I defintiely am not trusting stats. Damn sure not trusting linemen stats. We all know the direction Faneca is heading. Its likely that he’ll be heading further in that direction next year. If the FO really thinks one of these guys can be very good, then I don’t hate the move. Its a move that has to be made sooner or later anyway. May as well be now when we have the talent all over to lessen the blow of the loss.
It’s a lot more than just plugging a gap though, if this is true, we are getting rid of three veteran leaders after adding problems. Your just asking for problems when you have a bunch of problem children, and a bunch of rookies. It would be a ridiculous move IMO
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great point
no sense in shipping out the venerable veterans who will continue to start and have a locker room presence to keep some of their more volatile teammates under control
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by Mass Jets Fan on Apr 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao
Are you serious…you really think the Jets are superbowl contenders?? lmfao you people are delusional.
I love some fans, don’t have a clue about football, but will offer their opinion anyway. It’s humerus
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ok
So speak on it David…what don’t I know about according to you
Dude, you laugh at the idea of the Jets being Super Bowl contenders a year after they led at halftime of the AFC Championship Game with a rookie quarterback. It was frankly one of the least insightful comments in the history of this site.
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I know. I mean, why would a team that was a half away from the Superbowl, and reloaded think they were contenders?
lol
This is the SAME team that was a half away from being eliminated from playoff contention until Indy pulled their starters…dont give me that BS. The same team that their own coach thought they was out the playoffs…you had 2 has beens from san diego and that suppose to make you way better?? FOH. Whens the last time LT and Cromartie helped SD get to a SB?? dont worry i’ll wait
Finish them
You lost your best rusher TJ…and expect washed up LT who averaged a career low and a back up and leon off injury to carry the load?? Sanchez is still horrible and cant be counted own to win games
lol
It dont matter I’m not claiming them to be superbowl contenders…oh but wait 2008 AFC east champs…won in YOUR stadium…act like you know…oh wait 2009 2-0 against your almost there but not really there Jets!!! FOH
So keep it hush hush until you actually win a game that matters, K? Its been fun, go back and play with the kiddies at Finsider. Only teams that win playoff games can discuss Superbowl contention. Since you know nothing of it, its best you not speak.
TJ broke down completely towards the end of the season, and wasn’t even the primary rusher. Leon was injured most the season, Jenkins is still to come back, we added a pro bowl corner, not to mention a 1,200 yard receiver, and Sanchez sure as hell looked dependable in those post season games.
Laughable argument as usual from a hater.
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avak09 you know its 4/20 you better go check on ricky and make sure he doesnt have a fat one in his mouth or there goes your season
by realsouthace on Apr 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sold on us being true super bowl contenders. We shouldnt have even made the playoffs. Rex counted us out in week 13 i think.
I disagree.
i think we lost 2 games at least because Sanchez threw 3+ interceptions. Look back at the game logs for our games vs BUF and vs ATL (both at home). If we won both of those (and I’m going to be conservative about both losses against MIA and our one against JAX), we would have been 11-5 and would have had that first game against Cinci at home. I sincerely think we’re a team to be reckoned with.
It’s not that the other teams WON those games so much as we LOST them. All things equal, we would have pulled them out.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t buy into the ’shouldn’t of made the play-offs’ when we needed to win we did, all the teams around us had a head start, and had their own destinies in their own hands, they couldn’t get the job done, we could. We showed we would take down the Bengals, and there was some luck involved in the Colts game, but we put ourselves in the position to get that luck. Who cares if Rex counted us out, it was the post match interview, emotions were running high and he is dyslexic, like he was going to work out the maths in that 20 second period after taking the mound.
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We made the playoffs due to circumstances. The NY Jets didn’t make the playoffs because we were that good. We made it because Miami couldnt execute or stay healthy. We made it because the Titans had a horrendous start. The Steelers lost Polamalu.
Fact. We barely made it because of Mark Sanchez. Our fate in 2010 relies on Mark Sanchez. A sophmore QB who has like 35 starts at the collegiate and pro level. A QB who is in the bottom tier of QBs in the NFL until he develops. I am not saying that he is a bum, bust, or anything derogatory, but he is still very young and unproven. Saying we are legit superbowl contenders is a biased view. We have a great shot, but Sanchez could have a sophomore slump or not slide, tear an acl and we’d have a trio of Brunnell(possibly), Clemens, and Smith.
HERETIC!!!
Just kidding, but you could say the exact same thing for any other QB in the league. Just because he’s a young QB doesn’t mean he’s definitely going to get injured and by the same, just because any other QB is a vet means he won’t. I’m not saying the probabilities are equal, but you can’t go into a season expecting the worst. You certainly must prepare for it, but assuming that all goes well, we have the talent and the chemistry (I HOPE) on our roster to succeed.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
With Mark there is evidence he doesn’t know how to slide in game situations. After Girardi taught him he still didnt do it. He can get seriously hurt if he isnt careful!
Oh no!
Keep him on the bench so he doesn’t get hurt!
GTFO with that – we spent good money on Sanchize so he could win us games. And – mark my words (no pun intended) – he will win us games in 2010.
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Itd help to have a useful backup like Bulger or the kid could learn how to slide. The main point I was trying to make is we arent true super bowl contenders. We are a borderline playoff team who can do damage.
Well… I would say super bowl contenders should at least be guarantees into the post season. I look at the Pats locking up our division unfortunately, and that means we are a wild card team. I think that there will be competition from the AFC North and especially the South, not to mention those guys in southern florida.
Im not foreiting the division to the Pats. We’re a better team than they are over-all, they just have a better QB. If Sanchez makes some progress and we touch up Brady like we did last year in the first game, then we’ll handle those guys easily.
We have as good a shot as anybody right now. Of course we’re contenders.
dont forget the saints game if it wasnt for sanchez we would have won because we held brees out of the end zone the whole game as a matter of fact the first couple games offenses didnt get in the end zone on us brady damn sure didnt
by realsouthace on Apr 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys act like Faneca gives up a sack everytime we pass the ball…..He does a decent job at pass blocking, I dont think non of the above are leaving….Maybe Leon, Gholston, and Coleman…
THIS IS SO DUMB
You can’t break up the league’s best o-line and I love Ellis, I can live w/o Thomas but would prefer not to. I think Thomas and Leon can be packaged together for a player and 2nd or 3rd round pick trade, but the other two don’t make any sense.
No Way
I don’t believe this for a second. What makes our offensive line so great, is that they flow together so well. To get rid of a key running asset like Faneca would be a huge mistake. even if we draft a guard with the 1st pick… those guys usually take a year or 2 to get into a rhythm with the team. This team’s depth at both DE, and o-line is dangerously thin. To get rid of these guys would only make it even thinner.
Especially after we just signed a guy who has several question marks about his effectiveness now (LT), your going to take away one of the best run blockers on the team, all seems too counter productive to me.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
PFF ratings:
THOMAS (listed as OLB) – 2/53 in run def, 50/53 in pass rush, 10/53 in cov def
ELLIS (listed as DE) – 6/73 in run def, 67/73 in pass rush, 12/73 in cov def
FANECA (listed as LG) – 36/84 in run block, 76/85 in pass block
All of these rankings are based on situational statistics, which rewards players based on individual contributions to their positions, regardless of scheme, meaning that guys who (for example) are natural pass rushers like Cushing, Freeney, and Allen are scored higher than guys who may have similar sacks but have gotten them on blitzes. I’m not saying these are the best stats out there, but they’re a good starting point.
WHAT THE STATS TELL US: Faneca, unfortunately, looks like he’s at the end of the line. He certainly was a good contributor, but his age is showing and it is deteriorating his performance considerably. Hopefully the fact that he was named to a pro bowl this year will help us get some value out of him on the trading block
While Ellis and Thomas performed poorly on the pass rush angle, that specific job role wasn’t necessarily what they were supposed to be doing. They should not, under any circumstances, be released, as they are both valuable players. At the very least, they should be getting us younger players or 2nd-3rd round draft picks.
Also, keep in mind that these are probably the guys who could be included in draft-day trades. Looks to me like the JETS are moving up.
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Is Faneca not another leader on this team? if we keep moving them out and bringing in problems we really are going to become Raiders East. I appreciate those stats, but what I saw Faneca do for the stats, was more valuable than numbers on a chart, not to mention the progress that Brick has made playing next to Faneca. Can’t get on board with relying on a rookie to do that job this year, bring one in to learn by all means, but let’s not get crazy on the stats.
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by David_Wyatt on Apr 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Woody was talking about the strong group of vets that these new guys with baggage can rely on. Why say that, and then get rid of 3 of those vets. These guys are the glue that holds this team together.
Here’s a thought:
The New York Jets trade their 29th, 61st, LG Alan Faneca, and DE Shaun Ellis…
to the St. Louis Rams for their #1 pick. With the first selection in the 2010 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select defensive tackle: Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska.
i wouldn’t know what to do.
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The 1st overall pick is going to cost a LOT more than that.
by Ryan Alfieri on Apr 20, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Get it together!!
We are drafting Odrick, Graham, or Huges…No trades for us and no one is getting released!! they only trade I see possible is for Haynesworth….Done!
I doubt Ellis gets released. As for Thomas, if we sign JT then yes, he won’t be staying.
As far as Faneca, what a dumb move. Lets say Pouncey or Iupati are on the radar. I think both could benefit learning on the sidelines year one, and they provided some much needed depth should something happen to woody, moore, etc.
Agreed, if we are so high on an offensive lineman, then let’s bring him in and let him learn the habits of one of the best that was in biz. Could teach them a lot of stuff on and off the field.
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Oh and BTW...
VG is a Bum..I was against them drafting him and Im against us keeping him…Rid us of this bust PLEASE!!
NOOO
DONT ANGER THE KRAKENN. wait actually…
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Too late, got word that VG has seen it, and Rex has unleashed him.
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I for one
sincerely hope so!
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
(he made the pro bowl this year)
(broken hand and all)
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by OnceYoureAJet on Apr 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
NOT TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD BUT...
I have been calling a lupati draft pick for the Jets for a long time now. With the Faneca rumors now surfacing, Im almost ready to call myself clairvoyant. And as much as ppl won’t want to see it, there might be some draft day moving to make sure this team gets him. God im getting so pumped for this draft.
by colinyoung on Apr 20, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
What doesn't make sense is why announce releases
All that does is tip off other teams as to what we are doing.
Unless that is what they want other teams to think we are going to do. Hmmm?
Who we trade/release
All comes down to what we can get and who we draft to replace. I’d hate to get rid of any of these players before getting a suitable replacement.
Thomas could go
But we need Ellis & Faneca big time
I love all these guys
at least keep em for one more year. I hope there are no legs for this
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Apr 20, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
This makes no sense
Feasibly, we could draft an offensive lineman and shop Faneca. Bryan Thomas, even though they insisted he would stay either way, makes sense with the Jason Taylor signing.
Shaun Ellis does not. Even if we draft a play making end that’s ready to start immediately we still need Ellis at the other side. I don’t understand why would would put so much into your front seven and then shop the only quality End you have.
Not only that, Ellis is still a consistent player, and a threat at the end, albeit an underrated one. We get rid of Ellis and Thomas but we keep the unproven bust with the ridiculous contract? COME ON.
Something about this is really puzzling to me. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out this isn’t the whole story.
Rex on the report of Faneca/Ellis
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This could be smart depending on how they use it
I say, instead of just wasting Faneca, I say trade him for a second or third round pick and try to get more depth. Faneca, in my eyes, completes the o-line but yet, is it worth having a old expensive guard. They should select a G in the first round since their search for a DE/OLB has been fulfilled.
The way I feel about the o-line
is that unless you have a guaranteed equal or greater replacement ready and waiting in the wings don’t get rid of anybody. That’s especially important to a team like the Jets.
Faneca replacement?
David,
It seems crazy to me to be talking of releasing Faneca, thus depending upon a rookie, and trying to win it all now at the same time. The one thing that occurred to me is it possible the Jets think Slauson, who is listed as his backup, is ready to step into a starting role?
I really don’t think we will release Faneca, Rex came out and said that he won’t talk about it because it has no validity. I also can’t imagine people wanting to trade for him unless the price was very low, at which point I think he holds more value keeping our O-line in tact. However Bill Callahan coached Slauson at Nebraska and he has a reputation as one of the best offensive line coaches in the business. So if he sees Slauson as Faneca’s replacement, I’m willing to say we should trust his assessment.
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